Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Win or Lose, Boston Celtics' New Big 3 Era A Success

The Night Shift: The Sixers Sixth Men

It's no surprise that the Night Shift is growing in popularity and exposure. As the Sixers currently have the 4th best record in all of basketball, their Kings of the Bench are opening national eyes to what kind of depth this team possesses. Most recently, it's an article on the growing importance of the 6th man by Mike Prada over at the SB Nation hub.

Good coaches understand the need to find players who can change the pace of the game during those moments. But there's also a larger sea change at play. Last summer, Thaddeus Young was a restricted free agent. The 76ers could have let him find his market and match any offer. They could have noted that he only averaged 12 points and five rebounds last year and made him an afterthought in their plans. Instead, they moved quickly to lock him up to a five-year, $42 million contract extension that pays him like a starter. The 76ers recognized how many games he changed coming off the bench and rewarded Young's sacrifice with a new deal.

While I still take issue with paying Thad that much money to come off the bench and be below-average at several crucial aspects of basketball, Prada is right in his assessment of how the Sixers approached things. Rod Thorn and Doug Collins know they don't have the talent or, as of now the interest, to claim an all-world superstar and beat teams by going to them again and again. So they opted for depth, youth, and a defensive system that has made everyone look good.

Between Young, Louis Williams, Evan Turner, and Nikola Vucevic (and a growing case can be made for Lavoy Allen), the Sixers have the best bench in the league. I'd argue that between the four of them and Jodie Meeks, they've got five 6th men. Grammatically that doesn't make the most sense, but so many guys on the team play with the attitude that they're only going to be in for X amount of time - they need to make the most of it. In some cases, that means fadeaway Boss three-pointers with 20 seconds left in the shot clock.

But in the case of last night, and so many other times when Thad or Evan et al have put the team on their backs, having that many sixth men is the biggest reason why the Sixers have punted themselves into legitimacy.

Comment 28 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

The problem with this approach in the long term

Lou Will feels like he should be a starter. Thad has mentioned once or twice that he could be a starter. NBA egos are huge to go with their huge salaries. Turner probably would love to start (and deserves to).

“Know your role, Play in your role, Star in your role” will work for now, but not forever. Props to Collins for getting the players to buy into this system for this long, but what happens when we hit a 3 game losing streak?

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

Disagree.

I remember losing plenty last year, and the team held together. They’ve had tough losses this year and followed them with team meetings to refocus on the team and the next game. Lou has said that he likes his role this year because he’s given the freedom to be himself and Thad just resigned knowing that his role would be as a reserve. This team is unified and I think they plan on staying that way.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

….can’t wait for a heaping helping of Tony Battie, sigh

by clintdelicious22 on Feb 7, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Bring in Chris Kaman

Only if you can fleece New Orleans. 29 years old and averages 12 pts/8 boards for his career. I can’t take any more Demetrius Antonio Battie.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Unnecessary.

Start Nikola and play him with Mr. 500. Kaman only steals minutes from Lavoy and Vooce and even if we fleeced NO, I’d rather stick it out with these two and let them grow and develop this season instead of waiting a year or two while trying to grow in garbage time and/or on the bench.

We’ve beaten the Bulls handedly without our starting two centers, no reason we can’t beat other quality teams without Hawes and with Vooce starting and Lavoy playing the 4.

by Vince1129 on Feb 7, 2012 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Doug won't start Vuce

Great idea. One problem: Doug won’t start Vuce – forget it.
Battie is going to eat away any useful minutes from Nikola Ricola.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Doug has already started Vuce three times.

If Doug thinks Vuce is ready defensively to match up with Duncan, he’ll start him, otherwise we’re getting Battie’d.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 7, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Just a reminder

Hawes/Vuce/Chips combined for 15 rebounds total last night. I know last night was a little flukey, but I’d like to see some more help at the PF/C position by the trade deadline (using cap responsibility).

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

You’re not going to find anyone out there who could do a better job on Bynum and Gasol. Against most teams they’ll be fine with their front court as it is. Hopefully they will improve their defense and learn to box out better, but the LA group is about as good as it gets these days in the NBA.

Also, with this team it doesn’t matter who starts, it matters who finishes games. So I don’t care if Vucevic starts, as long as he’s in at the end, I think that’s pretty good. I also would like to see MORE of EVAN TURNER. I like his stutter step and the way he shaked and backed that crazy guy with the weird name. I think that Evan has reached the point where he can create his own shot, which translates to him earning time on the floor with the Boss at the end.

by RickoT on Feb 7, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

They were going up against the best PF/C combo in the league by far without EB. EB may be the best rebounder on the team to be honest. If EB was in there, we wouldn’t have got dominated like that on the glass. No trades. Stand pat. We are going to get better gentlemen.

by BrandonB on Feb 7, 2012 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

we are only going to get better*

by BrandonB on Feb 7, 2012 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about the playoffs

I would be very surprised if we saw Vuce against Hibbert in the first round. I’m thinking longer term here. I would like to win one or two playoff series, and an oft-injured Hawes ain’t gonna cut it.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 AM PST reply actions  

Generally I agree that a dominant post player is what this team needs, I just don’t think Kaman, who’s also frequently injured, is that player. Who would you offer for him?

by J.P.Melle on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

We do need a post presence, but the oft injured Kaman isn’t someone that I would trade away a bag of basketballs for as he is no more reliable than Hawes.

Who would you trade for Kaman and/or another big? Personally I wouldn’t give up too much because I think we’re positioning ourselves for a BIG free agent splash in the coming summer(s).

by Vince1129 on Feb 7, 2012 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Checked it out and it would have to be a 3 team trade

I thought the Speights trade exception was worth more than 2.7 mil. Gonna be tough, maybe this isn’t the move.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Still don’t get who you would give up.

by J.P.Melle on Feb 7, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Nocioni, Brackins, and Spence(if he’s willing to give up his bird rights(I doubt he will)). Nocioni, Brackins, Spence and Elson are the only players I would part with for Kaman.

What about Brackins and Nocioni for Mehmet Okur?

Formerly known as The Pied Piper

by tst29 on Feb 7, 2012 1:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Hawes is going to be fine

With the condensed season, bigs all around the league are missing time. He’ll be ready for the playoffs. If he’s not, then let’s revisit this convo.

by BrandonB on Feb 7, 2012 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

What has he shown to you that he would be fine?

@xEgan on Twitter

by xEgan on Feb 7, 2012 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Nothing, but Doug knows he’s going to need him to make a playoff run. They aren’t going to do anything that could jeopardize his long term health. It may just be a precautionary move to hold him out. Let’s not jump to conclusions quite yet.

by BrandonB on Feb 7, 2012 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I was simply trying to express concern and think proactively in regards to Hawes. If we find out in April that Hawes is missing every 3rd game, we have a serious issue and it’s too late for a trade, you can only sign players to 10 day contracts at that point.

Seems like everyone on the Sixers is accessible, except for Rod Thorn. Would be curious to get his take, since that’s ultimately what matters.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

kaman? please no

kaman is slow and would ruin this team.

by Dan Pearson on Feb 7, 2012 4:14 PM PST reply actions  

Would Kaman lose in a race to Hawes? Well…maybe. Barely.

by PhillyWarrior on Feb 7, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

yes he would, not even mentioning that hawes can pass and kaman can’t

by Dan Pearson on Feb 7, 2012 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Kaman is a black hole.

by RedHopeful on Feb 7, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools


Editor

Morris_small Jordan Sams

Sharone_wright_sixers_small Michael Levin

Associate Editor

Lourdre2_small Tanner Steidel

Twitter_small Derek Bodner

Contributor

Autographed-photo-ben-rivera-phillies1_05ba981348520854b79233eacee8eeee_small Dave Rueter