Sixers 87, Rockets 93: 5-Game Losing Streaks Are So In Right Now Thread
by Tanner Steidel on Feb 22, 2012 7:31 PM PST
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PrintIf you already lost 4 you might as well make it 5, right? While there were some flashes of aggressiveness on the offensive end, the majority was as stagnant and dry (not the court, though) as we've become used to during this skid. Questionable defensive assignments in the fourth quarter didn't help either.
Discuss your post-game thoughts or what your plans are for the All-Star Break.
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Fuck this.
NBA refs suck.
We have no half court offense.
Lou is a dumbass.
Turner should start.
Doug Collins makes some dumb decisions.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 22, 2012 7:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Complain about a lack of a half-court offense.
Later in the post complain about the only player who efficiently provided half-court offense.
Logic!
That doesn't mean he's not a dumbass.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 23, 2012 3:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Refs are refs. We can complain about them in the moment but this wouldn’t be an issue if the Sixers just played good basketball
Half Court offense is a problem. Being down our 2 starting big men has a lot to do with it but still….
Lou Williams is Lou Williams. This is exactly why talking heads are so off-based when they talk about Lou Williams being the “closer” or anything more than shooter/scorer. He’ll give you good minutes IF the offense isn’t fed through him.
Turner will warrant minutes when he plays better. As of late, he’s been terrible. No excuses, play better and you’ll get more minutes. He has to start playing aggressive again.
Doug Collins is frustrating. But that’s coaching. You look like a genius when things are going well and look like an idiot when things aren’t.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
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Of course, they do.
Also true.
For a team struggling to score, Lou has to play more minutes.
Turner is sucking right now. His confidence is next to nil. Hopefully ASW can help him regain that.
Eh, Doug isn’t really offending me right now.
by phillyhoosfan on Feb 22, 2012 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
For a team struggling to score, Lou has to play more minutes.
I think that this is faulty logic.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
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I don’t like having the offense literally run through Lou.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
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Oh, no doubt.
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Lou also has a high usage rate. Regardless, I prefer having Lou play off the ball rather than dribble the air out of it.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
This.
I feel like team effectiveness goes down overall. Though I can be entirely off-based.
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Fair enough, I personally do, but at the same time is it fair to say that you think he does what he does out of necessity? Meaning our offense blows and we need to rely on him as a scoring crutch? That is kind of my belief and yea I will admit he is a good scorer.
I think he does what he does because it’s what his skillset lies. I don’t mind him taking a lot of shots because he’s fairly efficient with his scoring. If he had any talent on the defensive end I’d argue that he should be an all-star (he’d also likely be a starter, get more minutes, and thus score more points in this situation.)
I would like to see more ball movement from pretty much the whole team. Jrue and Thad are problems in this regard right now too. This isn’t a Lou only problem and I definitely don’t blame him for the team’s lack of offense.
I’m not blaming him for the teams lack of offense. There are many many factors that go into this and I personally don’t think I can wrap my mind around it all. I personally think we are a bad team in the halfcourt and don’t get many easy looks. As much as I hate saying it, the boss is probably our best scorer. I still don’t like most of the shots he takes.
Of course his DRating is the worst on the team (tied with Meeks) but the argument here is that Lou is a good offensive player.
he’s definitely a good offensive player…why doesn’t collins have him run off of curls more often?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Oh yeah, that’s another story. I think that its a reasonable conversation bringing this up in close end-game situations. While you are trying to score, you’re also trying to prevent the other team from scoring (obviously). So having Lou on the court does as much good as bad considering his skill set.
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I definitely wouldn’t mind if Jrue took over Lou’s role late in games considering the crunch time stats he has. I would feel even more comfortable with it if Jrue didn’t avoid contact when he drives to the basket.
True
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lol hence off-based.
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Yeah he definitely has the worst shooting percentage on the team, and one of the worst in the league. Feed him!
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 22, 2012 7:33 PM PST reply actions
Somebody's brother has to die from dunkin'
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 22, 2012 7:38 PM PST reply actions
I was searching for a Sunset Park pic but they lost at the end (which was pretty crushing watching that at 10 years old)
awesome movie though
"Start playing with some jam in here"
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Feb 22, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
My plans are to get away from basketball for a while and not think about the sixers. The injuries have hurt this team, but that’s not an excuse. Lots of teams are injured.
I’m starting to see the big-picture now…what this team is truly capable of as is, and I’m not liking it. I’m starting to lean toward the direction of a big trade happening…something…anything…to change up this roster and address a serious need.
We certainly don’t need Boss shooting 4/13 while playing revolving-door defense.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I really hope a big trade doesn’t happen. I’m standing by the belief that this is just a (very) bad slump, due to poor lineup decisions and shot selections. The Sixers will snap out of it and everything will be right in the world again.
by TwistyWristy on Feb 22, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions
an unhealthy percentage of their offense was/is coming from long-range twos. At the beginning of the season they were hitting an unsustainable percentage of these long-twos. Now that they’ve fallen to (past?) the mean, they haven’t done anything to address the issue. I’m not confident in Collins to address this, but more so, I think it’s also a flaw in the roster. They don’t have a go-to post presence, which they desperately need.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I agree that an unhealthy percentage of their offense was and is coming from long-range twos but one difference I see is that they are no longer getting off good looks, taking contested jump shots, off-balance fadeaways, catch-and-shoot shots and other such garbage. If they’re going to take long jumpers, they need to at least make sure they aren’t taking garbage shots. Also, I think that the Sixers are perfect capable of playing in the post they just insist on settling for jumpers; Sixers have the best FG% at the rim but the 2nd lowest attempts per game (per HoopData)
by TwistyWristy on Feb 22, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
and I think with their current roster that percentage would drop if they took more attempts. They really don’t have a post presence. Brand has become a mid-range jump shooter, vuce isn’t quite there yet, and will never be athleticism-wise, and Thad is under-sized and is a finesse player around the rim.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
You may very well be right. The only thing I’d really argue is that statwise, in season’s past, Thad has pretty good around the rim, last season being his best to date. I would still like to see the Sixers at least attempt this and see how things pan out but the sad thing is, we probably never will. #liveordiebylongtwos
by TwistyWristy on Feb 22, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
but the question is
who’s going to do the posting? our best back-to-the-basket guy is Vooch, and he’ll probably end up being strictly a finesse guy.
I really hope a big trade doesn't happen, too
Unless they’re getting a total steal, I don’t want to see the Sixers take on a huge veteran contract for a player who isn’t going to give them a shot at a title anyway. We all know this team isn’t championship caliber yet – I’d rather watch the season play out, give the young players a lot of minutes and let some expiring contracts come off the books. This team is rebuilding, it’s not the right time to start making a deal.
So the options for the sixers are huge, salary cap strapping veteran or total steal? No inbetween? Just one or the other?
Interesting…
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I said this last 2 weeks ago
people disagreed and called me crazy though
Danger Will Robinson.
This team could finish under .500 unless they get some help from somewhere. There confidence is gone. Its hard for me to imagine them beating anybody decent more then very occassionally and I don’t there are enough cupcakes left to keep them afloat. What is there record now against .500 and better teams? 5-10ish?
I think saying this team finishing under .500 is going a little too far. I think we just played way above our heads the first 25 games and expectations got a little too high. The Sixers will finish over .500 and make the playoffs but they should be passed by the Knicks. Philly will prolly end up 5-7 seed in the playoffs. The lack of a go to player in the 4th quarter hurts and thats why we are 0 for in games decided by less than 3 points. Hopefully they will tweak things and get back to their winning ways after a much needed ASB
Let’s put things in perspective a little bit.
A 5-game losing streak is bad. I won’t argue that.
They lost at Orlando. A road game against a 22-12 team.
They lost at home to the defending champion Dallas Mavericks, a 21-12 team.
They lost on the road to Minnesota, a .500 team. They probably should have won this but nobody would be panicking about it if it weren’t part of a losing streak.
They lost on the road to Memphis, a 19-15 team that is especially good at home.
They lost on the road to Houston, a 20-4 team that is especially good at home.
By all means the Sixers probably should have gone 2-3 in this stretch. Unfortunately they went 0-5 instead but it’s only two games worse than any reasonable expectation.
Thank you.
I’m now a little less depressed/suicidal/angry/frustrated/confused/heated.
It just is a shame to see this team go through such a slide when we all really felt like this team was turning a corner.
It’s been a long time since Sixers’ losses have left that gut punch feeling.
I didnt see the game (I was at a thrilling Wizards-Kings game instead) so I cant talk on specifics too much but can you really start Lavoy Allen and Tony Battie and expect to beat decent teams?
Im not gonna throw Collins, Lou, or anybody under the bus when we have no frontcourt strength at all. Lets get Brand and Hawes healthy and if we keep losing then ill start questioning shit
Don't expect Hawes back any time soon
So they shouldn’t expect to win any games with Brand or Hawes out? Just making sure I got that correct. They are definitely done then because I got a little secret Hawes isn’t playing any time soon.
by Brannigan1973 on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
It’s hard to expect them to win road games against decent teams without two starters. Not saying they shouldn’t be winning any games but the odds are certainly against them.
this was still a very winnable game, which was teh frustrating part. As I mentioned previously, these past few losses have all been winnable games.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
hey, look at it this way
at least it will be an intimate small crowd in here again…
i got nothing else were playing like $&!^
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by DaaaBirdsDaBirds on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 PM PST reply actions
So I’m having a hard time finding what I want to say here. The thing I’m annoyed with is our weak, predictable half-court sets that really don’t get us many good looks.
I understand part of that is personnel related, no doubt, but I just feel like we could mix it up more and run different stuff. Anyone agree or am I being crazy?
when your best scorer is lou williams
one your top 2 passers aren’t even PGs, your options are kind of limited.
Iguodala has gone scoreless in the fourth quarter in his last six games.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I call this the BOSS effect.
I don’t like the trend and I don’t like that Collins doesn’t address it
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Btw....
The Knicks won tonight…..I hate basketball and by basketball I mean Lou Williams and by Lou Williams I mean Lou Williams.
Ew. Looking at that boxscore. Willie Green played 31 minutes for the Hawks and led them in shot attempts with 16.
TS% = a combination of ft%, 3pt%, fg%
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
FG% already includes 3pt%. Combining FT% in there makes no sense, it’s unguarded. I want to know how you shoot when the clock is running, when there’s defensive pressure. Lou is the worst on the team.
Already posted above before reading this post. Whoops. I’ll just go more into detail.
Field goal percentage does include 3-pointers. However it does not adjust for the fact that 3-pointers are worth one more point than 2-pointers are. Someone who shoots 40% while taking all threes is obviously going to be a better scorer than someone who shoots 40% while taking zero threes.
Whether or not free throws are unguarded, they are points that are not factored into field goal percentage. Getting to the free throw line is a key skill for a scorer. Totally discounting this skill as a judge of scoring effectiveness is silly.
I don’t know how big of a baseball fan you are but judging a player’s scoring based on shooting percentage is like judging a player’s hitting based on batting average. True shooting percentage is similar to OPS (though actually a better measure than OPS is) in that it incorporates more about situations and quality of baskets/ABs.
That said, Willie Green has been surprisingly efficient with the limited opportunities he has had this season. Certainly way above his career averages. it could be a small sample or he could have legitimately improved his shot/shot selection at age 30.
I’m glad you clarified his Lequan-esque mistake about free throws (reminded me of what Lequan said about fast-break points).
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Looking at the predictions thread, a lot of us predicted 36-39 wins.
They are currently on pace to win 38.8 games.
I guess they are who we thought they were?
AND WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK!
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Why would you expcet them to stay on this pace? They have already played the easiest part of there schedule and now are playing horribly and are beat up too boot. Something magical will have to happen to win 39 games imo. They play 8 out of there last 9 on the road.
by Brannigan1973 on Feb 22, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
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