Waterboarding: Grizzlies Nunchuck Sixers All-Star Break Please Pain Thread
by Michael Levin on Feb 21, 2012 7:18 PM PST
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The sky has fallen.
Save yourself.
Speezy.
Louis Williams is horrendous.
At least Andres Nocioni started.
Everything hurts.
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Rockets are my second favorite team in the NBA. I guess this would be a bit bearable for me.
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
Someone chopped off Jrue’s manhood. Shooting long 2s smh
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:20 PM PST reply actions
Not when Noce starts and Lou Williams is still on the roster.
"I reach in his eye socket, grab his brain, and rip it out like Kano would a heart. He falls to the ground. I run with his brain to the end zone and fulfill a lifelong dream by scoring the first touchdown of my entire career.." - Evan Mathis
by highwaterhello on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
8 Free Throws. At what point does someone important start complaining about this? I get that Doug isn’t going to; time for the new owners to step up I think.
Jeez, it really feels like Andy Reid is rubbing off on Doug. How much longer before something gives? Or at least someone acknowledges the problem?
by hhaidari on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy Gay went to the line more than our team. ’Nuff said.
by The Crooked Man on Feb 21, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not near worth losing out for.
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 21, 2012 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
he guys, we had eight, count’em, eight foul shots that game. Grizzlies had 29.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
They really, really miss Spencer Hawes and Elton Brand
Without their ability to pass out of the post/post-up/make open mid-range jumpers, the half-court offense stalls entirely too easily, and Boss, Iggy, etc. revert to bad habits (particularly Boss – he was in full on YMCA-adult-league-putrid-chucker mode tonight). They were flat out unwatchable for stretches in this game.
Yes, but – they probably get more than 8 fts with those guys. One of the primary ways you generate FTs is by taking the ball to the cup off the pick-and-roll/pick-and-pop, and they haven’t been able to run nearly as many of those plays without Hawes and Brand.
you dont take the ball to the cup off a pick-and-pop.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
You do if you don’t pass it to the guy who “pops”. Having a guy who does, and is a credible threat to make the jumper, draws the defender out of position, making him more likely to foul if the driver keeps the ball.
sorry, meant to say if you’re the sixers you don’t take the ball to the cup.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
In tonight’s game at least, foul trouble was a big reason. Gasol just abused both those guys on the defensive end, and they had to sit out long stretches from about the midway point of the second quarter on in favor of Tony Battie, who is a threat neither to roll to the basket nor to hit the mid-range jumper and is hence useless in this situation. Allen, when he was on the court, was one of the few guys who did play well offensively, and he was hitting the midrange jumpshot.
Agreed
Not to mention Chips and Vooch aren’t exactly NBA stalwarts yet so it’s going to take some time for them to still figure out when to cut, roll, etc.
their front court was weak from the start of the season. this is a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
Knowing the sixers, they wont address it.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Actually that is completely FALSE. The Sixers front court was their strength, believe it or not, with the Center and PF’s producing very high PER ratings, whereas the backcourt apart for Lou was very average with PER’s around the league average of 15.
Of course Hawes has been out for more games than he’s been in, Vucevic still doesn’t get enough PT, and Brand gets overworked thanks to the absence of Hawes.
Obviously none of these guys are at Dwight Howard’s level, but for journeyman Centers they are great. Hardest position to draft for a real big that can do it all down low.
Agreed
I think, when healthy, the Sixers have an above average collection of big men. No real dominant rebounder/shot-blocker type, but they are all above-average offensive players and nobody’s a genuine stiff on the defensive end.
With the kind of team they have, though, all the parts have to be working smoothly or else the engine seizes right up on the offensive end of the floor. And right now they are missing some key parts.
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 21, 2012 7:24 PM PST reply actions
Where is LouWilliamsMVP now ??
"I reach in his eye socket, grab his brain, and rip it out like Kano would a heart. He falls to the ground. I run with his brain to the end zone and fulfill a lifelong dream by scoring the first touchdown of my entire career.." - Evan Mathis
he got scareded and hided.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
He’s crying him self to sleep while listening to the “Ima boss” freestyle on youtube.
"I reach in his eye socket, grab his brain, and rip it out like Kano would a heart. He falls to the ground. I run with his brain to the end zone and fulfill a lifelong dream by scoring the first touchdown of my entire career.." - Evan Mathis
by highwaterhello on Feb 21, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus Christ you can say that again.
"I reach in his eye socket, grab his brain, and rip it out like Kano would a heart. He falls to the ground. I run with his brain to the end zone and fulfill a lifelong dream by scoring the first touchdown of my entire career.." - Evan Mathis
by highwaterhello on Feb 21, 2012 7:27 PM PST up reply actions
playing 2k
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
He’s in his driveway launching 35 ft 3’s
by dp on Feb 21, 2012 7:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
Don’t forget the silky floaters that glide right past the hoop.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
I did not realize this...
Andre Iguodala has not made a basket in the fourth quarter in the 76ers’ last six games.
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by PhiladelphiaEagles on Feb 21, 2012 7:26 PM PST reply actions
#clutch
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking more on the lines of Gnarls Barkley.
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Speights 6 free throws - Sixers entire team 8 free throws
As long as the coach is OK with this, and the players keep playing a soft finesse basketball, there is no hope.
usually losses don’t hurt. weird.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Is it possible we just played above our heads early against bad opponents and are just an average team with some young talent
by 109876ers on Feb 21, 2012 7:29 PM PST via mobile reply actions
*Above average
Everything else is correct.
by PhillyWarrior on Feb 21, 2012 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
The offense has NO flow or identity…no slasher…our “3pt specialist” sometimes shows up..and I don’t feel like jrue makes his teammates better
by 109876ers on Feb 21, 2012 7:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
“What do you want me to say?” “Gotta get contact. Shoot.”
The media is asking the right questions, Doug owes us answers.
by PhillyWarrior on Feb 21, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
Doug = Andy
This sucks.
I'm great like Gatsby.
by Clint Eastwood on Feb 21, 2012 7:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions
He's acting like him, jerkish
I’ll take a trip to the NBA Finals or ECF, though.
by PhillyWarrior on Feb 21, 2012 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
Nope.
Doug just said – ‘In hindsight maybe I shouldn’t have started Noce.’ Although this statement would appear to be the truest, most obvious statement made about the sixers all season, in the same place Andy never would have said it.
That is kind of a slap in the face to Noce and that’s really not fair to him. Just because a guy “fails” in a position you never should have put him in, doesn’t mean it’s ok to throw him under the bus.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Thanks for the consideration.
Its hard being a fan of a player in Noce’s position.
but we appreciate small stuff acts of kindness (like this one). :-)
There can only be one Noce!
Hmmm. I've been looking for the clip of this.
Was this statement implied?
Coz there is this clip where a reporter says Battie played well and Collins answered that maybe he should have started him.
There can only be one Noce!
Remember when Dougie stole our hearts? Never coached for a team longer than 3 years.
"I quit school in the 6th grade because of pneumonia. Not because I had it, but because I couldn't spell it."
by secondroundpick on Feb 21, 2012 7:37 PM PST reply actions
I just hope he doesn’t get too frustrated. This is still a very young team, they were bound to hit a rough patch sooner or later. He needs to explain to them what they need to do to correct their mistakes and improve, rather than blowing up on them and causing them to tune him out. Hopefully he’s mellowed enough at this point in his career that he can do so.
Word
He has gone from a sage, understanding mentor of young players to a frazzled, cranky old fart. He needs the break as much as the players do.
Gotta admit I was always a hater. His track record is garbage to go along with picking on players he doesn’t like (Theo Ratliff, Speights, Turner).
Doug Collins
-Doesn’t run a pick and roll…rather that dumb “two bigs up top get the ball waste 10 seconds just to get the ball back in a guards hands in the same spot” deal
-Lou Will is god awful in 66% of games
-ET has got to get more run and be allowed to take it to the hole (which seemingly no one else is interested in doing)
-Nocioni starting…he officially lost me
The Sixers don’t run a coherent offense. The pick and roll is an advanced play for a team like the Sixers sadly. There was a point in the fourth quater where three guys were baround the three point line and the ball handler slightly inside it and one guy inside. The three guys around the three point line just stood there. Doug is horrible offensive x and o guy.
by Brannigan1973 on Feb 21, 2012 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
When the team is healthy, they had a great rhythm on offense, threatening with one player, then swinging the ball to the open man. Now with the injuries there is no inside threat at all and the wing players go into ISO mode rather than running plays.
I am very unhappy with Doug, he’s not really adapting well and coming up with absurd lineups. Too bad I don’t know these guys. The owners should make me a guest coach and I would sit on the bench and call the plays and talk about the game with Doug and why I put in Turner instead of Iguodala and why I would keep playing Vucevic and keep calling his number.
Not that I’m anywhere near the coach Doug is, but sometimes he seems to suffer from brain-lock. It’s a long season and the injury to Hawes is starting to catch up with Brand. Even though Lavoy and Vuce have been very pleasant surprises they are still very young and inexperienced and the Sixers aren’t proficient at inside-out ball.
I would run pick and rolls with any guard and Vuce and or Allen. I would work give and goes with Iguodala and Turner with the bigs. I’d figure out which of the bigs was the best spot-up outside shooter and create all kinds of match-up problems for the other team.
Do keep in mind that Doug keeps the turnovers low, which is good, but a big part of that is that his offense is very low-risk. When the shooters are hitting it’s a thing of beauty, but when they need an easy bucket to get off the snide, they don’t have anything like a good play to run. That’s their primary problem, how to ensure the offense doesn’t get stale.
It’s been decided. Ricko is now coach of the Sixers.
by Michael Levin on Feb 21, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
ET is not exactly making the most of the time he’s getting either. He seems to be just dribbling the ball around and then maybe bricking a shot. He’s not really facilitating much which is what I thought his strength was going to be.
Noc starting makes no f’ing sense. Ever.
by HermosaPhilly on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
You are right, ET is not making the most of his time. My opinion is that this is because Collins has specifically told him not to drive and be aggressive and rather to take the open mid-range shots that he’s given since it will result in less turnovers (which apparently is Doug’s main sticking point on offense). I think Turner is at his best with the ball in his hands driving aggressively as he did against Denver and Miami earlier in the season.
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Fire engine red just doesn’t cut it tonight.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
lack of discipline
its really shocking to me to see doug being so successful this season in teaching a professional approach to defense and attitude, but just fall completely short in the offensive game.
the simplest offensive rule in basketball, pass it to the open man, is really really lacking on this team in this unfortunate down stretch. there was a play just in the 4th quarter where thad found jrue along the baseline opposite the basket from him, and jrue shoveled it off to lavoy lumbering down the lane so quickly no grizzly was able to react. easy deuce.
what happens a few plays later? jrue feeds the ball to lou in transition up ahead on the arc, who promptly cuts through 2 defenders to launch a runner up over marc which hit the glass on the far side of the bucket harmlessly. conley brings the ball down, and calmly finds rudy gay on the perimeter for a no-hestiation 3. swish.
if this teams philosophy is going to be to shoot jumpers (which is already flawed in a lot of ways), they need to do so effectively. catch and shoot situations, the shooter shouldn’t even be thinking about what he can do with the ball, if you’re wide open (like the sixers shooters often are), take the shot. even if you miss its going to be closer than when they hold it for a second (or worse dip in and actually close the gap themselves), they’re doing the defenders work for them. make them respect the fact that you’re going to take a jumper, make some open ones, drive on their asses to mix it up.
also completely tired of seeing turner bastardized. even if he doesn’t get the minutes that i feel like he should, at least give him the leash to get involved in the game. jrue looked similarly lost in mid-finish of the 4th.
by pqrk on Feb 21, 2012 7:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
(or worse dip in and actually close the gap themselves)
Well put. Seems like every perimeter player on the team does this.
by PhillyWarrior on Feb 21, 2012 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
The Sixers lack talent. No post scorers. No one can draw fouls except Lou. No pure pg. No legit SG. No athletic big who can finish in traffic.
They won earlier despite a lack of talent when compared to the other winning teams. Depth is not talent. Now they are refreshing back to the mean.
Sorry about the fools gold. They fool us every year with a good stretch of 25 games.
The All-Star Break should refresh us!
by Michael Levin on Feb 21, 2012 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
i get that there are some things that should regress
but i also think there has been a muddling of roles lately, where guys don’t seem to know whats expected of them in offensive situations when they don’t have the wind at their back. when play gets tight, and execution becomes important, a better undertstanding of roles really benefits your team play. these guys look genuinely lost when they’re struggling, maybe i’m wrong here, but that doesn’t feel indiicative of their level of talent.
need to make a deal.
i’m calling for kamen. he’s on the trading block. expiring contract if it doesn’t workout. give em noc, one of these soft rookies, and the draft pick we got for speights.
the rule is, if you can’t spell the guy’s name correctly, you’re not allowed to propose trades with him.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
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