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Amar'e Stoudemire to the Sixers: A Pros (and Con) List

With news yesterday that the Sixers were batting the yarn about possibly asking the Knicks if they're willing to trade their Fruit Roll-up for the Sixers' Twix, there have been two outcries heard loud and clear. One from the, ahem, more clearly-thinking places on the internet that claim Amar'e Stoudemire is too flawed and fragile of a basketball player with a fat contract. The other from people who hear a superstar's name and get on their hind legs to get a look at them.

Since it is mostly the former group that'll be reading this, it seems the role of Devil's Advocate has fallen to me to play. Here's a list of mostly pros and a con that could (but probably won't) warm you to the idea of Amar'e Stoudemire in Philadelphia.

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Pro - Amar'e Stoudemire is a better defensive rebounder than Elton Brand

At least the past two plus years, anyway. The numbers are similar enough, with an average of 17.07% for Brand and 18.53% for Stat. Amar'e has a reputation of being a bad rebounder and that's not necessarily the case. He's not a great rebounder and never has been, but he isn't miserable either. The Sixers this season have been weak on the glass and while that's not to say Stat would fix those problems (a healthy Spencer Hawes or Nikola Vucevic or even both would be nice), he wouldn't exacerbate them either.

Pro - Stoudemire has been D'Antoni'd

This isn't so much as a pro as it is a Stoudemire apology, but he has been mired in Mike D'Antoni's terrible defensive/rebounding schemes for 7 of his 10 seasons between Phoenix and New York. Under a defensive-minded coach with a clue, Stoudemire, like Thaddeus Young, could show marked defensive improvement and begin actually contributing to a team defense. Partnered with Tyson Chandler this year, he's already shown improvement on the defensive end by not having to cover the opposition's best big man. He'll never be a good defender, but on a good defensive team, he can be masked to the point where he's no longer a liability.

Con - High Usage Rate and incompatibility

Amar'e's always up in the high-20's in terms of usage rate which, for this team, would rank him up there with Bossy Louis Williams as tops on the team. Because he shoots a lot, and a lot from the outside (6.2 attempts from outside of 16 feet), the worry here is that he'd stagnate the offense much like Lou does when he's feeling particularly Bossy. He's been on Suns teams where it's been an ensemble cast but since he's gone to NY, ball movement has been scarce.

Pro - Foul Shooting

Rec Specs is one of the best foul shooting big men on the planet. More importantly, he gets there a ton, averaging 8 foul shots per game for his career. Even though he's been taking significantly less foul shots this season (only 5.4 per game), that still marks him above everyone on the Sixers. Getting to the line (and hitting foul shots!) is especially important come playoff time, when points are even more hard to come by.

Pro - He's Money with a Good Point Guard

Amar'e with a point guard is a very different player than Amar'e sans point guard. As Hoopdata tells us, he's been less reluctant to pull the trigger on outside shots since his arrival in NY. That, no surprise, is due to the fact that Steve Nash is no longer passing him the ball (intentionally, at least). Toney Douglas and Iman Shumpert are not pure point guards and haven't been able to get him rolling to the basket as much as Nash did in Phoenix. He's averaged almost a full 2 more shots from 16 feet out with the Knicks and his eFG% and TS% have plummeted.

To complement that, he'd make Jrue Holiday a much more dangerous player. Working a pick and roll game with Jrue like he did with Nash would be a beautiful sight, and open up the offense even more for spot-up shooters and baseline cutters. Every point guard needs a good scoring big man, and Amar'e would be the perfect Valentine's Day present for Jrue.

So, Should the Sixers Trade for Him?

It all depends on the asking price. His contract is fat, but he's still just 29 and he has been mostly healthy the past three seasons. He's only got two more seasons on his deal than Brand does, and Elton's almost 4 years older. If the Knicks are so desperate to rid themselves of Stat that they would trade him in-division, I may go for it. He'd take quite a bit of work to blend into the system here, but if it does work, the Sixers would become (gasp) legitimate contenders for the Eastern Conference crown.

Again, though, we come back to the asking price. Will it take Brand and a first rounder? Brand, Turner and a pick? Nobody knows how far along the two teams are in discussing it, but my guess is that they're not very far and that it won't happen. What we do know is that Jrue Holiday and Andre Iguodala are unmovable. The Knicks have their Evan Turner somewhere in between Landry Fields and Carmelo Anthony, so I don't think the pieces are there for a trade to even be made.

It's interesting to hear the Sixers asking about him, especially after the quote from Josh Harris the other day when he said the ownership has deep pockets and will do what it takes to win. Going after a currently-undervalued Amar'e Stoudemire and his lengthy and pricey contract would certainly go a ways towards proving him correct. Something to think about as the Sixers face teams with talented big men like Dwight Howard, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum, Tim Duncan, and Blake Griffin. Currently, the Sixers can't compete with that.

As of now, this is just rumoring fodder but it's definitely worth mulling as the Atlantic-leading Sixers face their toughest stretch of the season.

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I’d say no unless was for Brand and a draft pick. I wouldn’t want to include and young talent especially ET who I believe has the most potential to grow. If that kid developes a consistant jump shot he can be an all star.

by AndyReidsPersonalAntagonist on Jan 30, 2012 8:03 AM PST reply actions  

Son of a B…I really wanted no part of seeing STAT or Max on a team I rooted for again but you got me to buy into the:

“If the price is right” and “He’s money with a good point guard.” lines that I may just consider it.

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 30, 2012 8:12 AM PST reply actions  

you are right here, 100%. Amare would probably cost too much. Brand and a (almost certainly late in the dradt) 1st rounder? Sure, pull the trigger. That means the Sixers can compete THIS YEAR.

by Dan Pearson on Jan 30, 2012 8:15 AM PST reply actions  

Isn’t this kind of a non-starter? No way the Knicks take Brand and a 1st, especially if we continue to play this well, putting the 1st later and later. I definitely see how he brings a number of things we’re missing, but if it’s even an option we’re going to have to give up value. Don’t think they’d want Turner and I wouldn’t want to give up Iggy, so we’re talking Lou, Meeks, Thad, Brand, and Spence. I’d give up Brand and 1 more for him, plus a 1st. Thoughts?

by J.P.Melle on Jan 30, 2012 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

I would give up Spence, Lou or Meeks to package along with Brand. Spence can’t be traded, Lou and Melo deserve each other, and Meeks is a less flashier but more effective version of Tony Douglas.

I don’t understand why NY would trade for Brand when it doesn’t solve their lack of a PG or making their volume scoring SF more effective.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

The big point for me

As you mentioned, is that A’mare seems to be “currently-undervalued”, so its nice to see that management is at least inquiring about him to see what the asking price is.

As flawed as A’mare is I think that if he was a FA and the Sixers could theoretically sign him at his current contract I would definitely do that, but if the Sixers have to give up Turner or another relatively cheap and young player, it seems like too much risk with A’mare’s contract.

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by Drew1750 on Jan 30, 2012 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

There are only 2 reasons why NY should trade Amare

1. Get enough cap space next year to sign Deron Williams
2. Get a PG along with some effective low usage players that can compliment Melo.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Amar’e has a reputation of being a bad rebounder and that’s not necessarily the case. He’s not a great rebounder and never has been, but he isn’t miserable either

He’s miserable. 18.1%, 18.9%, 17.6%, and 19.1% over the last 4 years is a very bad number for a PF/C. He might be even with Brand at this point in Brand’s career, but that’s doesn’t mean Amare hasn’t been very bad as well. It just means Brand’s been as bad in that facet of the game.

Under a defensive-minded coach with a clue, Stoudemire, like Thaddeus Young

I’m not going to go all-in on an 11 year old vet picking up new tricks. Thaddeus was young (no pun) and always a willing worker.

As Hoopdata tells us, he’s been less reluctant to pull the trigger on outside shots since his arrival in NY. That, no surprise, is due to the fact that Steve Nash is no longer passing him the ball (intentionally, at least)

He had a pretty good point guard last year in Chauncey Billups, and he was still beginning to show signs of decline.

Want no parts of this contract/knee/defense/rebounding combination. None.

by Derek Bodner on Jan 30, 2012 9:23 AM PST reply actions  

Not even for the leadership?

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Not even for the added sense of fashion?

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by Naismithball on Jan 30, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

No one can argue that, not even Derek

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

This is definitely not an endorsement for Amare, just playing the opposite of what everyone else here seemed to agree on.

I slightly agree with all three of your criticisms, but 1) I blame, in part, the D’Antoni system for defense and rebounding, and 2) Chauncey’s shoot-first and not as much of a set-up guy as Nash was.

I think for two more years than Brand’s contract, depending on the asking price, I’d take the risk. He might not be the best guy to throw money at (Howard) but he’s better than plateauing at a second round loss. It’s at least worth thinking about for me.

by Michael Levin on Jan 30, 2012 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

but he’s better than plateauing at a second round loss. It’s at least worth thinking about for me.

I don’t think he appreciably changes our chances of getting past the second round.

by Derek Bodner on Jan 30, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Right, and I’d gamble that he would (depending on the price).

by Michael Levin on Jan 30, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

A) Who knows if he will be better or worse in Collins’ system.
B) Nash is one of the most prolific passers of all-time. We don’t have anything close to that in
Philly.
C) Who says we will plateau at the second round? Now or in the future with the current roster. You state it as if it’s a foregone conclusion.

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

So if NYK asks for...

Brand, Vucevic, 2012 and ‘14 1st rounders, plus the two 2nd rounders from the Speezy deal, would you bite? Or at least something similar to that, give or take an asset. I think they would have to take a long look at that deal. The question to me is, is Amare the best option they have to use Brand’s salary space. Dwight Howard is not even a pipe dream, he is a pipe dream’s pipe dream. Our options are limited on how we could make the jump from quality team to elite team and I don’t see a slam dunk scenario out there for us in the next two years. If Jrue and ET continue to develop, and Hawes is relatively healthy and playing like he started this season, with Dre, Thad, Amare, and BOSS we would at least have a very good 7 man nucleus.

by Dpez71 on Jan 30, 2012 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

He has 3 years and 60 million left on his deal. He could handicap us for the future. I’ll pass.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I think I’d have to do that deal. You’re basically giving up a lot of nothing (assuming the sixers make the playoffs in 12+14) for A’mare and, as tst29 mentions his huge contract. It’s definitely a risk, but even if A’mare gets hurt, is the team even that much worse without Bradn and Vooch? Probably not.

I don’t really see why the Knicks would do that though, I’d think they could get a better offer somewhere.

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by Drew1750 on Jan 30, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

At what cost? If you trade Brand for Amare then you have no shot at bringing in a FA next summer and you slow down whatever rebuilding plan you have in 2014 and 2015.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Trading for A’mare would essentially be equivalent to bringing in a Free Agent next summer and I think I like that move a little bit better than rolling the dice in the offseason. There are likely to be very few available big men. Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert would be nice, but are restricted and will likely also cost a ton, KG is incredibly old, Greg Oden might be worth a shot but there are a ton of question marks with him, Ryan Anderson doesn’t really bring an inside presence and then we’re in Javale McGee/Carl Landry territory. My point is none of those guys are locks to even be available and you’re going to have to overpay them to even stand a chance, so guaranteeing you get A’mare is better than hoping you can lure an available big guy via FA even though many would be better fits if you could get them.

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by Drew1750 on Jan 30, 2012 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

No

Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.

That is all.

by EREX21 on Jan 30, 2012 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Knicks have Baron Davis right?

I guess the Knicks are hoping Davis will pick up the slack especially if Amare is gone.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions

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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Pick up what slack? Another ineffective high usage guard to compliment Melo? If NY is relying on Baron Davis then they are in a huge mess.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

They’re already in a huge mess, so yeah, they’re relying on him.

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by jefu on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude hasn’t been productive in 4 years. I wouldn’t even trade Lavoy Allen for him.

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

come on.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Lay off the pipe.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions

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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

If he’s on a pipe, then I don;t know what you’re on.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you taking a shot at me?

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions

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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

read between the lines

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

It's hard...

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m being dead serious. Amare is one of, if not, the most overrated, overpaid players in the league.

but he’s still just 29

Not sure what your reference frame is but 29 is old for basketball. For fly fishing, I might say “just 29”.

If they trade for him I guess its back to the Flyers blog for me. I knew this Sixers thing was too good to be true.

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

29

is around a person’s peak. Motor coordination starts to decline after 30.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Wrong. It’s 24-25 in basketball.

link

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I was saying in general
Of course, not everyone fits the mold. Kobe Bryant, 31, peaked at 24 (he was worth the equivalent of 15.5 wins a year if he played 35 minutes a game) but he’s still nearly as productive this season (14.3 wins).

Are we accounting injuries? Injuries can slow anyone down. Are we accounting who is playing on the teams? Crappy players can make good players worse.

After age 30, most functions begin to decline
motor declines such as balance and gait deficits, coordination deficits, …..
in 30 s

http://umich.academia.edu/JessicaBernard/Papers/152621/Motor_control_and_aging_links_to_brain_structural_functional_and_biochemical_changes

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok we get 1 year (the rest of this season) out of him before he starts significantly declining. Yay. Sign me up.

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Hah.

I don’t want him either. I say we just keep the core the same and hope Frozone can do something.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

29 isn’t their peak, but it’s not when they start to decline. What really matters is a person’s metabolic age/injury history.

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by jefu on Jan 30, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I like this answer.

plus Jefu wasn’t confrontational. Rec good sir.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude hasn’t been productive in 4 years.

That’s inaccurate. last year he was good for 25, 8, and 2 blocks per game, shooting 50% from the field, 79% from the line. The numbers were even better when he was the focal point of the O, before the Melo trade.

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by wilddre22 on Jan 30, 2012 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole thing...

…reeks of Chris Webber to me. Pass.

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Jan 30, 2012 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

Webber was already dead when we got him. Amare has plenty more left in the tank.

by Michael Levin on Jan 30, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Toni Kukoc?

or Glenn Robinson?

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

You sir

win this round.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Webber was the reigning Western Conference Player of the Month when the Sixers traded for him.

by tk76 on Jan 30, 2012 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Fools gold. A Sixers specialty since 2008.

by tk76 on Jan 30, 2012 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

2005*

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Plenty of what? Mediocre basketball or terrible basketball? You need to specify.

by BrandonB on Jan 30, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He's better than what we currently have

He’s a legit 6’9 who still has his hops. Brand is graet but he’s 6’7 and undersize at the powerforward and doesn’t even really scare guards from driving inside. I think with his athletic ability and Collins coaching his Defense can be improved. I’d go Brackins Brand and a 1st or a 2nd for Stoudemire.

by idun215 on Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM PST reply actions  

Ewww...

now that is just robbery.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions

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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

height isn’t as important as wing-span/standing reach. Ask Jason Smith on the hornets.

"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover

by jefu on Jan 30, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And Charles Barkely

was 6’6’’ but averaged nearly 12 rebounds per game over his CAREER!

by Supra98x on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

but i will tell you this, this acquisition would be light years ahead of the transactions of sixers past:

Elton Brand signing
Chris Webber
Allen Iverson (The Return)
Tony Kukoc
Glenn Robinson
Scott Williams

possibly the best “star” the team would have brung in via transaction barring how you feel about Dikembe Mutombo Pulombo Mukamba Jean Jacque Wamutombo

ok, now re-read in Doug Collins' voice...

by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 30, 2012 10:43 AM PST reply actions  

and lets not forget about monster mash

ok, now re-read in Doug Collins' voice...

by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 30, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Moses was a nice pick-up.

And Jeff Ruland was worse than any of the names you listed above, His acquisition spelled the end of the Sixers as a top 3 franchise.

by tk76 on Jan 30, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

mind. blown.

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by mrprice33 on Jan 30, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

So simple. Can you include a timeline?

by tk76 on Jan 30, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll make a flow chart once we know what happens with EB in 2013.

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by tst29 on Jan 30, 2012 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d throw the GM responsible in there too :)

by J.P.Melle on Jan 30, 2012 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

ok, now do the one where sharon wright becomes craig brackins

ok, now re-read in Doug Collins' voice...

by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That was...awesome :)

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Jan 30, 2012 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

agreeable but i was speaking in terms of the last decade

ok, now re-read in Doug Collins' voice...

by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 30, 2012 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Charles Barkley for Jeff Hornacek, Andrew Lang, and Tim Perry.

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Jan 30, 2012 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Horrible trade.

So Sixers fan here.... just asking a question.
so I heard you guy are 8.5 mil over the cap. Who do you see leaving next year?
by BIBTD on Jan 28, 2012 6:14 PM PST reply actions

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by BIBTD on Jan 30, 2012 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I love it when a plan comes together.

by J.P.Melle on Jan 30, 2012 12:58 PM PST reply actions  

Only thing I disagree with is rebounding. You don’t want your starting power forward or center anywhere below 20-21ish in terms of DREB%. He’s very below average.

by Jordan Sams on Jan 30, 2012 1:49 PM PST reply actions  

I can agree but for one thing, most teams don’t have guys like Evan Turner and Andre Iguodala stealing every rebound. And another, why aren’t more people complaining about how miserable Brand has been on the boards?

Basically, people are saying bringing Stat in would hurt the team’s defensive rebounding. Swapping him in for Brand, that isn’t the case.

by Michael Levin on Jan 30, 2012 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

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