Sixers Trade Rumors: Inquired About Knicks Amare Stoudemire
by Jordan Sams on Jan 29, 2012 1:14 AM PST
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According to John Finger of CSN Philly, the Sixers called the New York Knicks regarding the availability of Amar'e Stoudemire:
According to a league source, the Sixers have inquired about Stoudemire, though it was categorized as "due diligence." Nothing is said to be imminent or even in the early stages other than just talk, the source said.
The Sixers would undoubtedly have to part with valuable assets, whether they be players or draft picks, to pull off a trade for Amar'e. This for a guy who, including this season, still has four years and approximately 83 million dollars left on his contract.
The 29 year old Amar'e has been an inefficient offensive player for the 7-12 Knicks this season, with a PER barely above average at 15.1 and a true shooting percentage under .500. The most frustrating part of his offensive game is his shot selection, where he ranks 11th among all big men in attempts from 16-23 feet – the dreaded long two pointer. The only "big men" who shoot more long twos then him are: Andrea Bargnani, Byron Mullens, LaMarcus Aldridge, Josh Smith, Carlos Boozer, Chris Bosh, Dirk, Garnett and Andray Blatche.
When Amar'e isn't producing offensively, especially with the amount of possessions he uses, he's basically rendered useless. He's an average defender, at best, and a below average rebounder. 17 million is a lot of money to pay a guy who's inefficient on offense, average on defense and below average on the glass. His best days are clearly behind him.
Is Amar'e a big name? Yes. Can he be a great scorer? Absolutely. Is he fun to watch? Sometimes. Does he fit the Sixers? No, in no way, shape or form. This team is built on chemistry, defense and unselfishness, and lacks "a closer" and a big man who can protect the basket. Not only does Stoudemire weaken the team's strengths, but he does nothing to fill either role the Sixers need. Pair that with his contract, injury history and the fact that the Sixers would have to part with assets to acquire his services ... the idea of the Sixers trading for Amar'e is bad news all around.
The last thing this team needs to is be saddled with the massive contract of another aging, quasi-star at power forward who can't carry a team offensively or defensively anymore. Just cause he's a big name doesn't mean he's worth it.
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We don’t need him, it would not make any basketball sense. Let’s move on and focus on the tough schedule ahead.
by apfan on Jan 29, 2012 1:17 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
100% with everything in this post. In addition to the fact that he’s been oft-injured over the course of his career, there’s the fact that he had microfracture surgery on his knee a few years back – those are the kind of knee issues that can rear up and derail a guy’s career at any time. IIRC the Knicks could not get the contract they signed him to insured, which is a bad sign.
It’s only worth blowing up the team they have now if they get a legit difference-making franchise caliber player back in the deal (e.g. Dwight Howard). A’mare is not that anymore, if he ever was.
As long as we don’t have to part with Dre, ET, Jrue, Thad, & maybe Lou I’d be fine but like Jordan said don’t know if Amar’e fits in with this team
The Legend
He is better than any big that we currently have.
Give away Brand, Noch, and some pics and you have a deal.
Trade
I’m a Knicks fan, and I’d give Stat up in a trade for one because of his Knee history, free up money, and get a PF who can also play defense. For as much as offense he may bring, he is horrible on defense and rebounding…. If I am Knicks management I bring Orlando in the equation for a 3 team trade.
3 team trade:
Orlando: Tyson Chandler, Evan Turner… Orlando sends Philly & NY a 1st Round Pick.
76ers: Amare, Fields & Tony Douglas
Knicks: Howard & Jrue Holiday
I’m a Knick fan so I def would luv a made up trade as such.LOL
Holiday and Turner are our best prospects :(
I was going to berate you for this trade until I saw the last sentence
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LOL
If the Sixers were to do such a trade, That would be horrible for Philly
Honestly tho
I’d take Brand to slide in the Amare’s PF position… and possibly try and land Iggy. Not sure why Philly would want to mess with what they have now but they must feel they need a Star to bring them to that next level from a leadership standpoint…
they need a Star to bring them to that next level from a leadership standpoint…
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what the sixers need is an aging “star” with glass knees, and what the knicks need is to completely butt rape orlando and philly with that horrible trade proposal.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
this is a rare scenario in which every team gets worse in my opinion. orlando loses howard (and hopes of resigning) AND 2 first rounders to have Chandler and Turner. Knicks give up just about all the depth they have to get jrue and dwight, neither of which would have back-ups at all immediately. and the 76ers get a replacement power forward, another turner without the upside, and a shoot-first guard. and as bad as orlando would be, the picks probably still wouldn’t be lottery.
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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with some of this.
Amare is the type of big who needs and excels with a good passing PG who can run the pick n’ roll/pick n’ pop with him. He had this in Phoenix with Nash (when Shaq wasn’t standing in the way) and with Raymond Felton in NY before he was traded with every other player on the roster for over-hyped Carmelo Anthony.
Currently, I think Amare’s stats are down becuase there is no real point guard on the Knicks, and they have a big in Chandler who only knows how to stand in the paint and is practically useless from ten-feet out.
More so, Amare can hit the long-jumper, but it needs to be both in combination with his driving to the basket via pick n’ roll and he needs a good PG to set him up with good passes.
I think this is really hurting his game this year. The fact that he’s a below-average defender/rebounder only adds on to his woes. Of course, the uninsured contract and injury history don’t help either.
Regardless, I think he could excel on a team with Jrue who could (should?) set him up with nice passes. However, that contract makes me want to vomit, so I’ll pass.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Agree with what you said about his offense, but A) he’s not getting any younger and B) He’ll never put up 07-08 numbers again. Plus, I don’t want another guy who shoots more jumpers than he should.
I think he’s shooting more jumpers because he’s not getting set-up to drive to the basket. Let’s not mistake that when he does drive he’s a great finisher
Nevertheless, you’re right. He’s not getting any younger. Perhaps his knees are aging even more rapidly than he is.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Dont get me wrong
Stat is in decline and I hate his guts but his numbers beforE melo got there were off the charts. I guy doesnt drop off in production just because of age and 29. Its no coincidence that he loses 12ppg when the worlds best ball hog joins his team. plus he needs a good point guard which he also lost in the melo trade and then they cut billups. he will put up 25ppg and 8reb for you guys. But hes just not worth a max 4 year deal when hell only be around for 2
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 10:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Not that much. He went from mvp canidate to scrub overnite
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 1:25 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Stat
He’s not on the decline because of his age… Before the Melo trade, he was dominant because he had a PG in Felton who could run the Pick n Roll and defenders had to respect Felton going to the lane and we had outside shooters. Post Melo trade, we have no PG who threatens driving to the basket or that knows how to run the Pick n roll… He’s a superstar when he has a smart true PG to play with, but close to average when he doesn’t. That said, I’m a Knick fan, and hey, the sooner we can get rid of uninsured knees of Stat, the better… Wouldn’t want my team to be on the hook for all that money if something were to happen…
Let’s be careful not to undervalue Amare too much. He’s an incredible shot creator and scoring threat when given the ball on the low post. That being said: DO NOT make this trade. The sixers are cruising right now and Amare would reinvent the team. Plus you’ll have to give Knicks a lot. Plus, youll provide Knicks with opportunity to turn their season around. Most of all, his knees are made of glass, and he’s one bad fall from an 18 month recovery from major surgery.
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 29, 2012 6:33 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
uhmmm
Shot creator, I doubt it… Have u seen him playing this season? No PG and he’s average, Sorry.
The good news is,
At least the front office is actively thinking about making a move at some point before the trade deadline.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=2g7mdt9
How many game lead do we have? According to Hollinger it’s’ a +4 for them and a -3 for us… hahaha
THe worst part of this trade wouldn’t even be the potential to hurt the Sixers, it would be the great help to the Knicks.
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Suns fan here
Yall are smart. New york fans are dumb as hell for wanting him at that price. And now they are paying. Thats why we only wanted to give him 4 years which was a stretch because our med staff sais his knees were good for 3 years at most. but he wouldnt listen and had to go be Mr. big shot and now we suck, they suck steve nash has no ring and pretty soon Amare will have no career. Now the knicks wanna try and trade him for your team that you built from the ground up the right way They tried to buy a championship and now theyve got buyers remorse. My only regret is that we didnt trade his ass when we had the chance.
That is all
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 8:27 AM PST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
LOL
No, the Sixers trying to trade for him if you read it correctly. That said, Players will go after the money, its a business… If the Knicks are able to trade Amare, then the Suns ultimately look real dumb for not trading him before the deadline last season.LOL I wonder what the Suns will look like when Nash leaves.
Nash is a shell of his former self. Pheonix could have offered Amare the most money. I don’t know what happened- either Pheonix didn’t offer him the max or Amare wanted to be in NY.
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Stat
The Knicks gave Stat more yrs on his contract then Suns were willing to give
Yea we gave him the money and years
But the last year or 2 wasnt guranteed becausr that’s when his decline was going to happen. And steve nash leads the league in assist with a crap squad. Shell of his former self?
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 5:31 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
wait, what’s the topic of this comment again?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
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So if the trade is
Brand for Amare straight up, would you guys do it? I think I would. Not sure who we could get that is better in that spot. Plus if his knee falls off we still could amnesty him.
If we were to trade for Amar’e we wouldn’t be able to amnesty him. I’d definitely consider the Brand/Amar’e swap but we are almost out of Brand’s contract so I don’t know
The Legend
I thought you could amnesty anyone under contract prior to the lockout. Even if that player came to you via a trade?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
That's what I thought as well
The issue is this, with that Brand contract almost up and the ability to amnesty it in the off season if needed, what realistic options are better than Amare for the PF or C position. I looked at the 2012 free agent class and the option isn’t there. Is there going to be a better big man available for a trade a year from now? I think it’s doubtful.
Better offensively? No.
Better defensively? Yes.
Doug likes defense.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I dont watch the 6ers often
Is brand that bad at D. Because Amare is a sieve on defense and doesnt rebound.(well for a 6-10 pf)
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 9:39 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
No Brand isn’t bad on D, at all. He isn’t as great by any means but he at least gives effort. Amare never does.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
As someone whose second favorite team is the Suns I can tell you all about Amare. Excellent talent. When he isn’t hurt. I think he could do well here because he is the type of guy who needs to, and wants to be the man. It’s why he left Phoenix. Ironically enough, he wants to be the man but he wants his own three headed monster like what the Heat have. That never made any sense to me. Now he is, presumably stuck in NY on a team with a guy like Melo who takes games over, and not just because he scores but because everything runs through him. It’s why the Nuggets are better without him and why the Knicks still suck.
Is Amare better than Hawes and Vuc and Battie and every other big on the team? Yes. Is he worth the cabbage? No.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
depends on the type of cabbage. Napa valley cabbage is pretty tasty.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
4 years 80 million cabbage
With no defense
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 9:30 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Thats not entirely true
Before the Melo trade happened, Amar’e was quoted a few times as saying that we had a great team and that we didn’t need to trade for Melo so much so that Melo took offense and felt he wasn’t wanted.
Hey may have not wanted Melo, but he wanted to be with stars. So much so that he invited himself to Lebron’s All Star Summit that he held a few years ago before he signed with Miami.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Hahaha oh yea "invitited himself"
He thought he had a chance of ending up with one of rhem.bturned out wade bosh and lebron had already decided to team up months, mayne even years before that
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 1:26 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
that's not true at all
got a link to back this up?
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Amar’e has immaculate fashion sense. For some reason this holds weight in the NBA, and therefore we should make it priority #1 to trade for Amar’e and his #swag.
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"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
by jefu on Jan 29, 2012 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hate hate hate
Statistically speaking, is Amare even that much better than Brand? I don’t have the best of handles on the advanced stats yet – is win share equivalent to baseball’s WAR and would that essentially render the PG comparison between the Suns and Knicks unnecessary (looking at the numbers this doesn’t seem to make sense)?
Anyway, the rest of the numbers and stats seem to show that while Amare is better than Brand on offense, he isn’t that much so that it would be worth losing the better defense that Brand brings?
What the said
Amare never played D for us(suns) not even in the WCF. What makes you tjink hell start now for a city he doesn’t desire to be inonot knocking philly btw its my hometown )
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by phxpurple on Jan 29, 2012 10:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
i dont know where to start or end with this.
for me, if they aren’t willing to do it for brand, the two second rounders and the speights cash, which they wouldn’t be, then its a no go on our side. we simply dont have the talent to give up without jeopardizing our depth and amare, as much as he walks on water without making waves, just doesn’t provide much more than a ball sponge who will take 20 shots and not make much of a difference defensively. to me, brand is a smarter player, more unselfish player, and obviously familiar with our system. i dont think you risk chemistry for this.
if they want iguodala, its a deal breaker. amare is not a franchise-changer as he has proven in the big apple.
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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 AM PST reply actions
No way
Unless Amare for Brand straight up and amare agrees to restructure his deal for us, which is to say never, because there is no way the Knicks or Amare agree to that. Ideally, the Sixers would be getting a shot-blocking C (samuel dalembert, but with a brain) and moving Hawes to PF to replace Brand. It would be nice to have amare (or even better a younger PF who can score and grab 6-10 rebounds a game like Aldridge) on this team instead of brand, but I just don’t think its a positive move for this team to do midseason, and that they shouldn’t be giving up much in this deal. Right now, if the sixers play just .500 the rest of the season, they will get to 37-29. Boston would have to go 28-20 while missing their only good player under 35 for a month of the season to tie that. The Knicks and Nets would have to go 30-16. the rest of the way. If the Sixers can win 3 or 4 of the next seven games, I think we can safely predict they will win the Atlantic.
I was thinking yes originally and then I thought of the contract. Why would the Sixers waste a third of their salary cap on Amare? The only way I would do this is if Dwight for some reason wanted to play with Amare.
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by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 29, 2012 12:30 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
That’s the kind of reason TNT replaced him with Webber
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 29, 2012 2:04 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
Yeah but Horford and Granger and other excuses…
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
someone smack the shit out of magic johnson and jon barry’s old asses for sitting there and disrespecting their own basketball knowledge on national television, please and thank you in advance.
Rant! Rant! Rant!
by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
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No thanks. If it was like Iggy and Jrue I’d think about it. Why would we take back what Philly’s trying to unload?
LMFAO
I’m so happy that he would consider trading us Amare for Jrue and Iggy.
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they should take back what philly is trying to unload because the knicks are a mess of a franchise and need to blow up their roster.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
shit, the knicks need be trying to unload whatever they have with their below .500 asses
Rant! Rant! Rant!
by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Hey guys,
To be fair, the National Media says they’re knowledgable fans. All of them. The whole island. Even the GM.
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by Naismithball on Jan 30, 2012 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I love Amare and he was in he MVP running before the Melo trade
but that contract is too brutal. This team is built to get a player in free agency within the next two years not through trades.
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ET’s are prescription. iggy’s dont even have lenses all the time.
Rant! Rant! Rant!
by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
just out of curiosity…
what is “due diligence”?
do teams ordinarily text other execs like “hey bff would ya be willing to trade pavlovic?”
Rant! Rant! Rant!
by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 29, 2012 9:34 PM PST reply actions
yes. watch moneyball.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
havent had the pleasure yet i’m sure its a great film
ok, now re-read in Doug Collins' voice...
by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 30, 2012 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
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