Sixers Lose, Andre Miller Gets Buckets, Evan Turner Has Swag
In their second opportunity in eight days to put to bed the "they haven't beaten anybody" naysayers with a win over an admirable opponent, the Sixers fell short yet again. Tonight's 108-104 overtime loss to the Nuggets drops the Sixers to 10-4 overall and 6-1 at the Wells Fargo Center.
In a game which they controlled early and led by as many as 14 in the first half, the Sixers found themselves in a uphill battle following a 26-6 Nuggets run to end the second quarter, sparked by former Sixer Andre Miller. Miller, who normally comes off the bench, got the starting nod from George Karl to being the third quarter, and from that point on the crafty veteran was the best player on the floor, hands down; he finished the game with 28 points, 10 assists and 8 rebounds a game-high +18.
Miller was also responsible for the play of the game. The Nuggets trailed by one with 16 seconds remaining with the ball in Andre Miller's hands. Defended by Andre Iguodala – arguably the game's best perimeter defender – Miller put Iguodala in the washer with a series of crossovers and pump fakes, capped off by an easy four-foot shot to give the Nuggets the lead. The basket concluded a stretch where Miller scored 10 consecutive points for the Nuggets. Whatever the Nuggets needed, whenever the Nuggets needed, Andre Miller came through time and again in a truly unbelievable performance. He also made three three-pointers in one game for the first time since 2000.
So much more after the jump.
Evan Turner
In the grand scheme of things, tonight's crushing loss may be overshadowed by the play of one Evan Turner. The Villain has been much-maligned since the Sixers selected him second overall in the 2010 draft, with BUST talk rampant as ET struggled throughout his rookie season. However; Turner had moments last year, and if you watched closely, you caught glimpses of what Evan Turner could one day become. If you blinked you may have missed it, but an in-and-out dribble here, a behind-the-back step back jumper there and I saw enough from Turner last year to feel comfortable about him as a part of this team moving forward. His impressive playoff showing only solidified my confidence.
One of the best things about sports and being a sports fan is watching teams and players grow. And there are certain moments, certain games when the moment is palpable – you can literally see or feel a player or team growing. Tonight was one of those nights with Turner. Over a year ago, we had our first "moment" with Turner, which I wrote about here:
Regardless of what happens from here on out, we know Turner has "it" in him. What "it" turns out to be remains to be seen, but tonight may have just been a peak into what we all thought we were getting with the second pick.
If the embracing standing ovation Turner received from the Philly crowd after making a jump shot, blocking a shot, then grabbing three consecutive offensive rebounds before drawing the foul - all in a span of 30 seconds - didn't send chills down your spine, I don't know what will.
Evan finished the game with 20 points (on 17 shots), 11 rebounds and 2 assists, but his stats don't even scratch the surface of the impact Turner had on tonight's game. With the Sixers offense stagnant, 15,000+ Wells Fargo Center faithful sitting on their hands and the Sixers all but dead in the water, the second-year player stepped up in a big way – he took over the game. The Sixers had been uncharacteristically dribbling the air out of the ball possession after possession, followed by unproductive, contested jumpers. Turner came in and attacked, attacked, attacked, taking the ball to the hoop, either making the layup, getting fouled, or both. For a stretch in the fourth quarter, this was Evan Turner's team, who single-handedly energized the entire arena and helped the Sixers erase a double digit deficit in the blink of an eye.
I'll say it again, I don't know where Turner goes from here, but tonight was a step, a "moment", whatever you want to call it – just like last year's Warriors game, and the James Jones scuffle in the playoffs, and the game-sealing free throws he hit in the Sixers' lone playoff win. We have something here in Evan Turner, folks. Enjoy watching him grow.
For as encouraging as Evan Turner played, future backcourt mate Jrue Holiday was awfully disappointing, to say the least. He finished the game with 13 points on 15 shots, four assists and two turnovers. He continues to take bad shots and dribble too much. He had a few great takes to the hoop, including a gorgeous spin move at the end of regulation to give the Sixers a late lead, prior to the aforementioned Andre Miller hoop, but all in all, Jrue played a bad game offensively, as he has most of the season.
Jrue capped off a miserable performance with one of the worst turnovers you will ever see at the end of overtime. The Sixers corralled an Andre Miller miss with 13 seconds left, down two. Instead of opting for a timeout Doug Collins implored his young point guard to "go". Jrue responded by driving halfway through the lane, getting caught up in the air and basically handing the ball to Andre Miller. Game over, huge mistake by the young point guard. I know he's young, but this is now his third year in the league, and he continually makes bone-headed mistakes with the basketball. Unacceptable.
Exposed?
The Sixers interior defense – of lack thereof – was exposed in a big way tonight. We already knew the Sixers were soft inside, but unlike weaker opponents, the Nuggets guards were able to penetrate and kick to teammates for easy bucket after easy bucket. The Nuggets only legitimate big man – Nene – ate the Sixers alive down low. Normally the Sixers stifling perimeter defenders are able to keep guards out of the paint, which is why they were the number one ranked defense coming in, but Lawson and Miller lived in the paint all night. The Sixers are going to have a difficult time against teams with a handful of good guards, who can penetrate and feed teammates for easy buckets, because the Sixers literally have no second line of defense.
Bullet points to finish us off:
- The refs missed a few crucial calls tonight, including a charge called on Evan Turner in overtime. It was one of the worst block/charge calls I've ever seen, but you have to move on. It's not the reason the Sixers lost the game.
- Yes, Andre Iguodala missed one of his two free throws at the end of the game. In retrospect, if he made both the Sixers win the game. Don't tell me you're surprised he missed.
- Doug Collins had some head-scratching coaching decisions tonight including: taking the ball out of Turner's hands after he had been hot all fourth quarter and not calling a timeout on the final possession.
- Rookie Nikola Vucevic is going to get lost in the shuffle tonight, but he started his first career game in the NBA and played really well to start the game. Unfortunately, he was hampered by foul trouble throughout and only played 12 minutes. Personally, I would have liked to see him a little more, because unlike any other Sixers he played average interior defense.
- On the surface Thad played a good game (22 points, 7 rebounds), but he needed 22 shots to reach 22 points (inefficient), and he only grabbed two defensive rebounds in 38 minutes – that's entirely unacceptable coming from someone who primarily played the four. He still did "good Thad" things like hustle, offensive rebound, etc., but took way, way too many jump shots and provided no resistance whatsoever in the paint, on defense.
- Andre Iguodala sprinkled in a few great plays, as always, and finished one assist shy of a triple double, but that missed free throw, failure to stop Andre Miller and way too many jump shots (much like Jrue and Thad) are going to leave a bitter taste in the mouths of most Sixers fans.
- The Wells Fargo Center was rockin' tonight. Kudos to them. Malik and Zumoff were also on their game tonight.
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Brutal Loss
A few thoughts from the game
In their second opportunity in eight days to put to bed the “they haven’t beaten anybody” naysayers with a win over an admirable opponent, the Sixers fell short yet again
This is going to be the major focus on ESPN (which i just found out did in fact know the Sixers played basketball) but what wont ever be mentioned is that Hawes was out again. Both chances against big time teams Hawes has been hurt I dont want to make excuses but I think both those games are very different if hes in.
Why is Lou taking that 3? Hes coming cold off the bench and although it was semi-open the offense was working well and it felt forced to me.
Agree with your points about the Refs. Malik was going nuts on the bogus charge call.
Last point I want to make. Although we lost and that sucks without arguably a top 3 player on our team we hung with a good NBA team and for the first time in a long time the Wells Fargo center looking packed and people are getting excited about the team.
Why is Lou taking that 3? Hes coming cold off the bench and although it was semi-open the offense was working well and it felt forced to me.
I had no problem with it. He was open.
I had a problem not feeding Turner the ball when he was literally what brought us back into the game.
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by soman319 on Jan 18, 2012 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hey, I want to respond to your question on this thread...
Maybe I’m watching a different game but every time I’ve seen that dude Meeks shoot he has been wide open. Where is this "defenders have to respect that and play up on him." happening?
The “wide open” part is that inherent danger and while he has not been as consistent as we like, those wide open three pointers are good shots to take for him. We saw the other night that he can catch fire and lead the team in scoring because of those threes. It’s easy to get lost in the game and not notice defenders especially when other guys are handling the ball. However, like I said, guys play a little more towards him (Meeks) and makes some room in the lane for other guys to work or maneuver.
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I see your point. But I disagree that catching fire once or twice in 14 games is a justification for playing him. If he shot above 45% from three, then maybe, but he doesn’t, and never has. The fact that he’s wide open, to me, means that he’s not drawing defenders.
No doubt.
There’s also a secondary argument in that his effectiveness is best when he plays with the starting lineup and Evan Turner works best off the bench. Evan Turner works best with the ball in his hands (you saw this in the fourth quarter) and putting him in the lineup with Jrue and Iguodala isn’t the best for lineup effectiveness.
Honestly, I’m not really trying to argue for or against anything, I’m just giving you a reasoning or perspective. Fact is we need a player that has the ability to shoot behind the arc. Iguodala can shoot it but we all agree that’s not the shot we want to see from him. Jrue has shown he can shoot the pull up three but as PG we don’t want to see him being that guy since… well he’s the PG. Turner still doesn’t have that range. Lou Will is a good 6th man and off the bench player so he can’t be that guy…. so our guy is Meeks.
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Here's that Kate Fagan article...
http://bykatefagan.com/2011/12/15/why-jodie-meeks-will-almost-certainly-start-at-shooting-guard/
Like I said, I’m not necessarily arguing for or against anything. I want Turner to start/get more minutes/succeed/become The Villain™ . I just understand the reasoning of why Meeks is valuable to the team.
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“Obviously, if ET’s future is playing the same position as Jrue & if the Sixers could through this season without figuring out a way to incorporate ET fully, then there will be an issue needing to be addressed in the off season.” -Kate Fagan from the article
I think there is an issue and this might explain some of Jrue’s struggles.
It’s difficult to jump to that conclusion without starting them together and giving them at least 30 games to work out the kinks and evaluate it. This obviously should have been done last year.
ESPN would be right
The Sixers can beat bad teams without a problem, that much is clear, but who cares, there aren’t any bad teams in the playoffs. There’s no reason to expect the Sixers to win a playoff series at this point.
Iggy
Im not surprised he went 1-2 at the foul line, he does that regularly, I just dont understand why he has become such a poor foul shooter. His 3rd year in the league he was at 82%, now he struggles to hit 70%.
He went 3-4 from the foul line tonight. He still made 1-2 to force it to overtime. That isn’t the reason we lost the game I don’t understand why this is being talked about so much.
Im not saying it is the reason we lost the game, I don’t think it was, but its curious to me why his FT rate continues to fall every year
I don’t think it’s fair to say he struggles to hit 70% though. He’s averaging .743 for his career. Last year he took a dip going down to 69% but I think that will end up being an outlier. I bet you his percentage will go up this year to somewhere around his career average.
Career FT by year
74.3
75.4
82
72.1
72.4
73.3
69.3
66.1
I like Iggy as a player but I don’t think it is unfair to say over the last few years he struggles to hit 70%. My main point being how did he fall so much from his 3rd year when he took over 7 FTs per game and hit 82% of them. Now everytime hes on the foul line I hold my breath
Last year he barely missed it though and I’m sure it will go up this year. Either way I misinterpreted your initial post, I thought you inferring that he lost us the game. There was some of that goin on in the thread. My bad, homes. I get a little nervous myself when he’s on the line..
sigh…the two references in the article about Dre’s “failures” are disappointing. tonights game was one of the reasons its easy to root for/support that guy. i didnt like all the jumpers either but the whole team was doing that. he brings alot to the table whether he’s scoring or not.
Dre showed his effectiveness even when not scoring tonight and how he makes everyone better (particularly Brand) miller was ON tonight, period. NO ONE could deal with him. the fact that Dre was on him was proof of that.
i expect negadelphians who focus on one play to knock Dre for missing that FT and “costing us the game” we should know better here.
Don’t think I’ve read anyone here blame Iggy for the loss – all that has been said is that no one is surprised that he missed the free throw and that we wished he would have stopped with the jump shots (Something I wish he understood by this point in his career). Other than those two things I loved his game and I generally think he’s the best player on the team.
Apparently Miller did fake that elbow to the face. Or rather, he got some contact and basically flopped, covering his face and falling to the ground. He apparently got up and cracked a smile.
lol crafty fella.
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Look on the bright side.
The Wizards beat the Thunder. Yeah, you read right.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
smh holliday...
im going to stop calling him the “jruth” until he turns it around (which i am confident he will do). and gosh did i miss spencer today
Well...
Tough loss. Great write up, and I agree with everything said. I love this team and am very excited about this season, but I am trying to keep it all in proper perspective. Games like this against a good (not great) team like Denver…you really get to see what the Sixers lack. A real defensive presence at center and a go-to player when you absolutely need a bucket. Although Turner looked great tonight and it was encouraging to see him WANT the ball in his hands. Real nice effort by ET. It will be really interesting to see if the front office can make the right moves over the next two seasons and hopefully get to the next level. A little luck wouldn’t hurt either…Go Six.
Well I just would like to know why Turner wasn’t on the court for both last plays of the game (regulation and OT) and Collins should have called the time out. We all knew Andre was going to miss. Look, I put this as a coaching loss more than the free throws and turnovers.
Or maybe it’s just me.
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Not calling a time out at the end seemed like a quasi Phil Jackson move to me.
There was all kinds of confusion in that last 16 seconds of OT… When Meeks got the ball in his hands he looked over towards the sidelines to see if a time out was going to be called or not. They wasted about 3 or 4 seconds on that confusion, nobody looked set or knew where to be or what to do.
Doug Collins excuse was that not calling a time out puts the defense on their heels… Looked more like the sixers where the ones more effected by the “no huddle”. When I realized that there wasn’t going to be a time out called I immediately thought “this is some quasi Phil Jackson bullshit” from a guy that AIN’T Phil Jackson. With the rational that not calling a time out in a pressure situation makes the team stronger in the long run by having them rely on themselves to figure it out".
It looked more like a cop out from Collins to me, a cop out of not having to be responsible to draw up a play
It looked more like a cop out from Collins to me, a cop out of not having to be responsible to draw up a play
This is ridiculous. It proved to be a bad idea, and I always think drawing up a play is the better call, but that’s completely absurd.
by Michael Levin on Jan 19, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, Andre Iguodala missed one of his two free throws at the end of the game. In retrospect, if he made both the Sixers win the game. Don’t tell me you’re surprised he missed
I am not surprised he missed in fact.
But that second part, if he made both the Sixers win the game, not sure you can really say that. If he makes both the Sixers are winning the game but there is no way to know if the Nuggets would have scored again or not.
Sixers need another guy to defend the interior in the worst way. No idea how exactly they are going to obtain that guy but they need him.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
The sixers will continue to lose tight games like this because they don’t have the bigs to cover the pick & roll. Brand, Hawes, Vuch & Battie easily make up the slowest and least athletic front court in the league. They continue to cheat and get burned when the opposing team’s big decides not to pick and cut to the basket instead. Nene did this a few times tonight and couldnt be stopped.
The sixers need to go find some quick defensive minded big in free agency or via trade. Just in the east, Chicago, Orlando, Miami & New York all have bigs who can run the pick & roll successfully against the sixers. If they decide to ignore this then they can’t be taken seriously as a playoff contender.
Also, Doug Collins needs to wake up and see that Evan Turner is the only player on this team who prefers to drive to the basket rather than settle for a jumper. I dont care if Meeks starts, but its unacceptable to see that they’re averaging the same minutes. Meek’s 3 point shooting, while improtant, is less valuable to this team than Turner’s driving ability. As you saw last night, ET single handily woke this team up by relentlessly taking it to the hole in the 4th. Everyone took note and started to become aggresive. This resulted in lay-ups and free throws.
Don’t quote me on this, but ET has been playing a heck of a lot more minutes than Meeks recently (definitely last night) and this will only continue to increase as ET’s play continues to grow.
I was in the building last night.
It got really loud in there during crunch time, reminded me of going to games back in the AI days.
Tickets are only 17.76 in the upper level, attendance should start to pick up.
Tony Battie was so bad tonight, he should never be on the floor.
Jodie Meeks should play less than he does.
Evan Turner looked like our best player, and it wasn’t even close. I cant wait till this becomes his team, he should get the ball in every big possession.
So many bad jump shots.
Some guys in my section had an Iguodala>Tebow sign. I laughed
Also they had what was your favorite cartoon growing up
Jrue-Doug
ET- Family Guy
Brand-Thundercats
Tony Battie-Do you mean one of those moving picture shows?
Brand would be a Thundercats fan. Jrue liking Doug is the least surprising thing I’ve ever heard.
by Michael Levin on Jan 19, 2012 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
I was in that section. There were a lot of funny people in that section
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by ValeKing on Jan 19, 2012 12:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Totally different ball game with Hawes...
He’s been arguably their best player. Still, would like for them to show they can beat good teams without him, but not surprised if they don’t.

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