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There was a time when I thought we should trade Andre Iguodala because the Sixers were going nowhere in part because they were trying to make Iguodala into the star he clearly didn't have the skillset for. Then as it became clear that we were going to trade him the Sixers stopped making him the star and he returned to his role of defensive stopper/facilitator/occasional scorer. And what happened: He-and the team-started playing better.

Fast forward to this 76ers team: We don't need a star because chances are Iguodala, Holiday, Lou, Thad, or Elton Brand has a matchup they can expose. We are winning because we have 7-8 players who can all step in and play. All these guys are talented but none to the point that our team can’t function and win without them. Because of this any player who doesn't want to play defense or pass the ball finds himself out of the rotation regardless of talent (Speights). We are winning because of versatility and chemistry. Iggy is key to our chemistry as the longest tenured Sixer and key to our versatility because he is above average at scoring, rebounding, passing, and he takes his defensive craft as serious as his offense. A little reminder of what happens when your best players don't care about defense:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/35698/knicks-a-losing-team-with-melo

I hear Monta Ellis being mentioned a possible replacement. Let me just say I love Ellis offensive game. He’s one of the most explosive guards in the league, and certainly would give us that 20-25 ppg scorer we don’t have. But consider that in Ellis’ six years in Golden State they are 52 games under .500. They have given up over 105 PPG in each of the last five years. I know Ellis hasn’t had much talent around him and I can’t speak too much on Ellis individual defensive game. I know he has quick hands and quick feet, so he can probably accumulate steals and be a decent one-on-one defender when he wants to be. But clearly he’s coming from a system with no emphasis on lock-down defense. Defensive accountability and unselfish play have been the keys to our success this year. Let’s not trade a player who embodies these ideals for a guy who is talented as hell but goes against our core team philosophy. There’s a reason Ron Artest still had teams interested even after he started punching out fans. Because guys who score 15 PPG and are elite defenders are guys you win championships with. And while Andre might not be Artest-in his-prime on defense, Artest never had Andre’s passing ability either.

*If we do trade Iguodala I would would much rather have the main return be a big man who can block shots and rebound. Hawes can't really block and Brand is undersized at 6-8. My biggest concern for our team right now is taller teams outrebounding us and negating our fast break. Im thinking somebody like Tyson Chandler or JeVale McGee. Imagine how deadly our defense would be if we could bring a real shot-blocking center off the bench.

One more thing: Teams in the past 30 years to win a championship without a 20-PPG scorer: 2007-08 Celtics (Pierce 19.6 PPG), 2003-04 Pistons (Hamilton 17.6 PPG), 1989-90 Pistons (Isiah Thomas 18.4 PPG), 1988-89 Pistons (Adrian Dantley 18.4 PPG). *The Sixers leading scorer right now is Lou Williams with 16.2 PPG.

My point: Although most championship teams have a "star", there have been defensive/balanced scoring teams to win championships. The reason it is easier to win with a star is because a star gives you a surefire plan when the game is on the line (Give it to Kobe/MJ/Hakeem Olajuwon and get out of his way). The Sixers challenge this year is to identify what their best course of action is when the game is on the line. My opinion is that the ball should be in the hands of Jrue Holiday or Lou Williams. They to me are the Sixers I trust most to get into the lane at will and either finish or draw a defender and pass. Whether you want them to go one-on-one, run a pick and pop with Brand, or dish to Meeks is something that really depends on game situation. But if the Sixers are going to be serious contenders they need a plan for the last possession and they need to come up with it soon so they can test it throughout the season.

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I would also add

That there is no indication yet that jrue can’t be a 20 PPG scorer. I think that day is definitely coming very soon.

by Dan Pearson on Jan 18, 2012 10:40 AM PST reply actions  

yes. people forget that jrue is 21 years old. essentially a rookie who just so happens to have a 3 year nba experienced resume. he is so impressive right now, we forget that we wont see his best until two seasons from now and he wont be a seasoned vet until 5 years from now. and even at that point, we have up to 10 years remaining of his services. He could very well go on to get 20 per contest, or, as i’d prefer, be a 17 and 8 guy. No “star” is needed unless you’re Aron and Harris and need to sell tickets to generate income. I, on the other hand, am an unemployed scribe who sees no financial difference if they were playing in a completely empty arena so let’s keep playing team basketball!

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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 18, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly if I was in Philly now Id be going to Sixers games all the time. Every time I watch its mad fast break points, dunks, athleticism, and just generally good basketball

by dstern77 on Jan 18, 2012 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

yea i go every chance i get. honestly, the new “game experience” is kinda a disappointment to me because i thought the old pa announcer matt cord hit it on the nose every time compared to the guy now. to try to truly analyze why more fans dont come out, especially this year, i’d go crazy.

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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 18, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Its takes time, people will come around if they keep winning. Following the hype/frustration of the Eagles and Phils I think people will enjoy rooting for a team that actually overachieves

by dstern77 on Jan 18, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

the Sixers were going nowhere in part because they were trying to make Iguodala into the star he clearly didn’t have the skillset for. Then as it became clear that we were going to trade him the Sixers stopped making him the star and he returned to his role of defensive stopper/facilitator/occasional scorer. And what happened: He-and the team-started playing better.

No no no no no no no. The reason Iguodala used to take more shots is because there weren’t other people on the team to take those shots. He didn’t suddenly start taking less shots and passing more because “the Sixers stopped making him the star.” He did it because he had a better team around him. He actually had players he could pass to. The silly notion that the Sixers tried to make him a star (or even paid him to be one) is the exact reason why there were so many Sixers fans that didn’t like him. He was always the same player he is now. It’s just that he’s able to showcase the talents he has better because he has the teammates that allow him to.

We don’t need a star because chances are Iguodala, Holiday, Lou, Thad, or Elton Brand has a matchup they can expose. We are winning because we have 7-8 players who can all step in and play.

I don’t understand this at all. Maybe you’re confusing star with players who dominate the ball and/or shots. Someone like a Carmello or Monta. I definitely don’t think the Sixers need a player like that. Dwight Howard is pretty much the only “star” out there that is seemingly obtainable. He’s actually only 2nd on the Magic in shots attempted. He has less shots attempted this season than Jrue.

The Sixers can definitely use a star. What they don’t need is a high volume, low efficiency scorer who people confuse as a star.

Hawes can’t really block and Brand is undersized at 6-8.

Hawes is far from an elite shot blocker but he is 13th in the league in bpg. He’s not exactly terrible. Of course he’s not someone that other teams fear either.

Brand isn’t undersized. How high your head reaches does not matter in basketball. Brand has an incredible standing reach. He also has the strength to play in the post. The problem is that age and injuries have taken their toll and he’s no longer a borderline elite shot blocker that he was in his prime. While I’d love to have that defensive presence on the team, I’d stop following the Sixers if they ever traded Iguodala for JaVale McGee. That is where I draw the line.

And while I agree that a team doesn’t necessarily need a 20 ppg scorer, you named 4 teams in 30 years as a evidence. That is not a good ratio at all.

by yosoysean on Jan 18, 2012 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

I’m the best at getting frustrated at people’s misconceptions and ranting about it. Woooo! Number one!

by yosoysean on Jan 18, 2012 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Rant! Rant! Rant!

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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 19, 2012 5:40 AM PST up reply actions  

1. Your first point is a good one: Mabye Iguodala carrying the scoring load was more by neccessity than by design, and him being a star was more of a fan perception than team concept. But my point was that Iguodala was being asked to carry the scoring load and be something hes not, and that took away from all the other things he can do on the court.

2. I guess I should have said “scorer” instead of “star”. Monta and Carmelo are certainly scorers.

3. I think your getting very overly critical here.

*If we do trade Iguodala I would would much rather have the main return be a big man who can block shots and rebound.

I say “main return” because Im aware that McGee or Chandler are not ample compensation for Iguodala and would have to be just part of what we got in return. Im just giving some examples of athletic 7-footers. I also live in DC now so McGee came to mind pretty quick.

by dstern77 on Jan 18, 2012 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you missed my point. I severely dislike JaVale McGee. So much so that if the Sixers acquired him I’d think seriously about not supporting the team anymore.

by yosoysean on Jan 18, 2012 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

hes got a terrible attitude, ill give you that. Hes so ridiculously athletic for his size though

by dstern77 on Jan 18, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

i dont get the mcgee beef. he is 24 years old (exactly, his birthday is today). since entering the league he hasn’t had a winning atmosphere, consistent coaching, or veteran guidance and he makes a trailer-load of immature decisions because of it.
i think just like zach randolph, if this kid gets with a good stern coach with peers around him that are more focused about success on the court than nightclubs and who’s gun is bigger, i think javale can be an all-out beast.

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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 19, 2012 5:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you that the kids a beast. But make no mistake his attitude is not the product of his situation. My friends dad is the sports psychologist for the Sixers and we might of considered drafting him but he advised them against it. If you draft McGee you’re getting a guy who will dunk and block everything but will probably be somebody whos always gonna need his attitude checked once in a while

by dstern77 on Jan 19, 2012 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

McGee dunked over Vucevic in a preseason and stared him down as if Nikola kicked his puppy. The guy is a punk and no amount of guidance is likely to fix that.

by yosoysean on Jan 19, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

He might be the 2nd dumbest basketball player in the league behind his teammate Andray Blatche. 3rd is probably Speezy. Not guys that Doug loves on his team.

by Michael Levin on Jan 19, 2012 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

certainly not a doug player. collins is too much of a player’s coach. disciplinarian-style coaches like Hollins or Riley would get the best out of this kid. he isn’t the first knucklehead to grace the nba and wouldn’t be the first of his kind to have a turnaround as a veteran.

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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 20, 2012 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

However, I do love the stats he’s giving me for my fantasy team.
But seriously I do hate him as a basketball player and agree with Sean that I would be very, very angry at the Sixers if they acquired him.

Love the Sixers, love the Cavs. Don't sympathize, we'll win a championship someday. Someday...

by 76ersloyal on Jan 21, 2012 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah dude, if McGee is the ‘main return’ how could any of the worse players we also get help us in any way? I’d like a post presence, we need one, but you can’t just name a tall athletic player, say that he’s young and will develop, and assume it’s a good trade.

by J.P.Melle on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Main return could be him and a conditional draft pick, which could help us. Or him and a shooter, which we could also use. Or get a third team involved. Teams get creative with trades in the NBA. Just because two players aren’t equal talents doesn’t mean they can’t eventually be moved in the same deal.

Im not assuming anything about McGee’s development. He averages 11-10 right now and is 2nd in the NBA in blocked shots. And honestly I dont care if he ever learns a post move. I just want someone that everybody who shoots in the paint for the other team has to think about. I just finished reading the article on this website about how we couldn’t handle Nene downlow. If you think McGee wouldn’t help our team right now then you haven’t seen him much (and i wouldn’t blame you cause he’s on the Wizards)

by dstern77 on Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t think that because Javale McGee blocks shots that makes him a good defensive player. He blows a lot of defensive assignments, and just because he can swat the ball into the stands three times again doesn’t mean he can adequately guard Nene.

Love the Sixers, love the Cavs. Don't sympathize, we'll win a championship someday. Someday...

by 76ersloyal on Jan 21, 2012 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant “a game,” not again. Damn you autocorrect.

Love the Sixers, love the Cavs. Don't sympathize, we'll win a championship someday. Someday...

by 76ersloyal on Jan 21, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

yea its true blocks/steals dont equal good defense. If i could do this article again i wouldve subbed javale mcgee with deandre jordan. Although theres no way they trade them

by dstern77 on Jan 23, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

You can go back and edit your posts.

"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover

by jefu on Jan 23, 2012 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point he’s not much better. Although there is more of an argument that he wants and has the ability to improve. But yeah, no way they trade away a big right now.

by J.P.Melle on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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