For the Kids: Will the Sixers Trade Andre Iguodala this Season?
Andre Iguodala has, thus far, performed out of his mind this season. While his assist numbers are down in part to Louis Williams distributing more, his shooting numbers are actually stabbing God in the ass they're so high compared to years past. But there's still a large segment of people who think the Sixers will be better off trading Iguodala now rather than later.
Currently kicking the tires on a longer post about this but I wanted to step aside first so you can have your fun. It's a question that has been asked since creation, churning butter and rumor mills for years on end, keeping us warm through the winter months. The Sixers well-paid wingman has two years and a player option left on his contract, during which the team will need to think about extensions for Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner. There are essentially two schools of thought as to why the Sixers should trade Iguodala, and they are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum. In the middle is the now-heavy majority of former flip-floppers claiming they would never trade him ever never ever.
There are millions of words to be spent on Iguodala but I'll save those for another day. I'll send you off with a reminder that he is one of, if not the, best wing defender in the world (and Team USA), despite important people voting disgustingly otherwise. With the team sitting at 10-3 but limited cap flexibility over the next year or two and a freshly signed Thaddeus Young, does Andre last the season? Should he? This is all you folks so bring your pickaxes because there are bound to be some ugly, statless opinions thrown around here and I don't want any of you to be unarmed.
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Iguodala is still my favorite player on the team, and I would still be sad if he were traded. And I still think he shouldn’t be traded unless the team can get serious value for him. Not just cap space to sign a free agent, since he’s pretty much the guy free agents would want to come here to play with.
That being said, he is still the only truly valuable trade commodity on this roster. A Top-30 player pretty much at his peak, and the kind of guy just about anyone would want on their team, even if he’s not a 20 ppg superstar you can build around.
So. I am against trading him for pennies on the dollar, just to get his salary off the cap figure. I am against trading him for crappy players, low draft picks, solely expiring deals, or Monta Freaking Ellis.
I would trade him for the right package of good picks and expirings that could really give this team a chance to land a franchise player. Other than that, I would keep him. He’s more valuable than a little cap space on a roster more or less devoid of top-tier talent. No one will come here to play with the Corpse of Elton Brand.
Which is pretty much what I’ve been saying for the last two years. I haven’t changed my opinion at all.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
by dweebowitz on Jan 18, 2012 6:48 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
At this point I probably wouldn’t trade Iggy unless it was a very good deal. A very good deal would be some combo of one or more high picks/a good big man (a 4 or 5 with a solid post-game to help in the 1/2 court set and good defensive skills). The problem, as the GM poll from the TEAM USA article illustrates, is that Iggy just doesn’t seem to have that type of value around the league so I don’t see the Sixers getting a “Godfather” offer for him. Lastly, I think Doug has a lot of say and I don’t see him letting Iggy go without a fight. Collins might have a heart attack and at the very least, there would be a lot of tears at the press conference.
Iguodala is pretty much the identity of this team as it is. Play hard D, move the ball around, play unselfish, don’t make mistakes, look to get out on the break. The Dougy would have a cerebral hemorrhage if Iguodala was traded. Unless he got really good value in return.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
They won't.
Might as well as keep him. Sixers need to at least one playoff round. Maybe someone would want to signed him. Just hope we get lucky with the draft next year.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
We missed the boat on trading him for a rebuild. The time to do it was two or three years ago when the casual fan wasn’t looking. Now we have to hope to hit a miracle home run with Dwight or another star FA.
If the Sixers can make real noise in the playoffs, we might have a shot.
Otherwise, I agree.
Clear eyes, full bologna sandwiches!
No
I think Doug likes this group of players too much to make any major shakeup, so as long as he has any input on personnel, which I’d imagine he does, I don’t think Dre is going anywhere, at least not this season.
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by jbernat17 on Jan 18, 2012 7:08 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I think they'll definitely make a trade
but I don’t see it being Dre. I think they’ll trade Noci’s expiring contract (to a team that thinks it can get Howard possibly) & a pick or 2 for another player that fits in more with this current group (ala a shooter or PF) who’s contract only has a year or two left. I’m not saying well get a super star or even a star for that just a solid guy who can contribute.
0% chance
Doug loves him. He’s carrying less of a burden and playing his more natural role. The team’s winning.
Nor do I think they should, at this point. I’ve been a proponent of a rebuild for some time, but this far into the season, already with no chance at a top pick, and with a chance (however small) to be a player in the free agent market, you hope to get a top 4 seed, win a round or two in the playoffs, amnesty Brand and entice a legit post player that way.
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by Derek Bodner on Jan 18, 2012 7:29 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
THIS.
100% like this post. Win 2 rounds in the playoffs, make the conference finals and lose respectively to the Heat again in 6 close contested games, amnesty Brand, and go seriously after someone who is young and can keep up with the sixers.
Also, if the above happens and the sixers sign a legit post player, what are the chances we end up resigning Dre as our shut-down defender, assuming that ET/JH become the all-stars we all so desperately want them to become?
+1
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by nyunole on Jan 18, 2012 9:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I agree but
who are the sixers realistically going to get in free agency? No matter what happens even if the sixers when the rest of their games this season I can’t see howard choosing to sign with the sixers. Then there’s kevin love, but I can’t see the twolves not matching any offer extended to him.
In your opinion is anyone else that is available in free agency that would be capable making the sixers a contender?
I feel like the sixers luck is awful. The year they get the #2 overall pick it’s a particularly weak draft. When they (seemingly so far) play well enough to lure a big time free agent there aren’t many to go around.
If we get “good value” in return, then that guy’s probably going to have a contract just as inflated if not more so, so you can say goodbye to Jrue or Evan anyway. There’s absolutely no good, tangible reason to let Iguodala go when he’s doing as well as he is. The only people I’d like to see moved to free up cap space are EB (not happening, yet) or Nocioni. I’m on the ride or die with Andre boat.
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There's no reason to trade Dre..
For the reason is that he is simply undervalued and another team would end up trade raping the sixers if we dumped him. Those of you who want to trade him and amnesty Brand are complete idiots because losing those two will put the team all on our young guys and could potentially hurt ET and JH’s growth if they fall flat on their faces and never recover. Let’s face it, JH/ET can blossom into all-stars within the next year or two, but I find it hard to believe most of us think they’ll become top 5 NBA talents aka superstars. Unless the Sixers can somehow pull a miracle trade in which we clearly get something awesome (NOT Monta Ellis), there’s no reason to trade Iggy. Let Brand and his contracts expire (or amnesty Brand if you must) and by the time those two are gone, JH will be a perennial all-star PG and ET will be a budding all-star SG/PF, not to mention Lou as 6th man of the year, Thad finally realizing his potential (a huge IF), and Vuce having the potential to grow into a stud off of the bench or the last piece of a starting 5. I think with those pieces and the huge amount of cash we’ll have once Brand/Dre are gone, we’ll be able to seriously content in the free agent market.
All about value...
To me Iggy is one of the most valuable players in the league. Yes, he isn’t the go-to scorer fans hoped he would turn into but his worldly defense makes up for that. Every night he shuts down the other teams best wing player while at the same time contributing on the offensive end. Would you rather have a guy average 20+ ppg but give up just as much on the other end, i.e. Monta Ellis? Iggy is one of the few players in the NBA who plays a complete game. Defense, rebounding, passing, scoring and now he’s even providing leadership to this young team. Ask the Kings or Wizards how important leadership is. Young teams with talent need a veteran to show them how to be a pro and there aren’t many other players I’d want over Iggy to do just that. Only way I trade him, is for a proven big man or of course Dwight Howard.
I agree
I don’t agree with trading Iggy period. As soon as the Sixers get a superstar, we will wish we had both Iggy and “superstar” so we could be a “true elite contender”, but if we are going to trade Iggy to sate the zombie fan masses, it should be when his value is higher.
Nope
You don’t trade Iggy for several reasons. #1 is that he’s absolutely the team’s best player. He’s top three on the team in points, and he gets his points more consistently than the guy ahead of him in points, he’s also near or at the top for rebounds, assists, steals, etc. along with being the best wing defender in the NBA. No one else on the Sixers comes close to matching that production.
I also would note that you can’t get value for Iggy. Since he doesn’t score 20 PPG anymore, the same type of idiot GMs who think Mo Speights is a good player undervalue Iggy, so the sixers would lose in pretty much any potential trade scenario. Like I’ve said before, what the Sixers need is a guy like Tracy McGrady, a scorer with size who both move without the ball and with it.
Tracy McGrady? Really? I hope you mean when he was in his prime and even then he clearly showed he has no heart. Prob why he never got out of the 1st round of the playoffs which is the sixers problem right now.
"guy like Tracy McGrady"
Not actually Tracy McGrady. He’s just the prototype of the skillset the Sixers need.
Irrational Optimism Ahead....
This team has a real chance to win the East this year. The Sixers beat Chicago the last two times they played them last year and their small lineups gave them problems. Wade is no guarantee to be healthy come playoff time. Nobody else in the East is that good. It might be unlikely but I really feel like in a short compacted season like this odd things happen. The Knicks were the 8 seed and made the finals in ’99. Trading Andre this season is ludicrous.
I agree the Sixers have a chance against the Heat. I also think the Heat are very vulnerable to disruptions because they are so dependent on their big three. Any one of them goes down and the Heat are no longer so imposing.
Wade does so much of the defensive work for the team and is an utter monster on offense. Without him, the Sixers are better than the Heat, deeper, more unified and dependent on playing together as opposed to relying on individual skill.
I’d take the Sixers over the Heat without Wade. Not even a doubt that they would win a 7 game series.
I’m not saying that the Sixers would have no chance. I’m just saying that the Heat would still be favored. But “not even a doubt” is just silly on the other end of the spectrum. LeBron is still the best player in the NBA and can carry a team by himself.
I actually just blew up a country upon reading that.
by Michael Levin on Jan 18, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I also recall the Knicks getting a buzzer beater to eliminate the Heat the #1 seed in a 5 game series in one of the games, although I could be missing up and wikipedia is down so I can’t research it, but as we saw with the phillies this offseason, anything can happen in a 5 game series (yes i’m comparing apples to oranges).
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the fellow above is redundantly correct.
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by J.Michael Woodson on Jan 18, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
The only point in trading any player is to make your team better. Right now this team is playing basketball the right way, there is great chemistry between the players and THIS:
THEY PLAY OFFENSE LIKE A TEAM!!!!
Note how high the shooting percentages are? Those of you deep into advanced stats THINK that the shooting will come back down to their old levels, but you are overlooking something the stats cannot track. This is what a QUALITY shot is all about. Everyone thinks a three-pointer is hard, low percentage shot, but when you are wide-open and all alone, it’s a much easier shot than a running one-hander in the lane. Thanks to Doug’s disciplined approach, the team now naturally plays the right way more often than not, and generates high-percentage shots for everyone on the floor. This along with the defense is why the Sixers are a winning team. Yes, the schedule helps as does the fact that they are all familiar with each other, but playing the right way makes a team more than the sum of it’s parts.
So why would you even think of trading the guy most integral to the team’s success, AKA Iguodala? There are very few players in the league that are capable of doing what he does, and if he is traded, the Sixers will have to work with that other player to have him fulfill Andre’s role. This is like trying to trade MJ in his prime, you just couldn’t find a better player, and the team would be diminished if you tried.
No. Iggy to the Sixers is as Jordan was to the Bulls. Their best player. Iggy is not as good as MJ and won’t ever be. That doesn’t mean he isn’t a great ballplayer.
We wouldn’t have gotten equal value for Iguodala before. Now that he’s shooting the ball from the perimeter better than any time in his life but isn’t getting the credit in the box score due to the way this team shares the ball while developing it’s young talent, we will take an even bigger bath in any Iguodala trade. Iguodala could average 17+ and 7+ in his sleep as a point forward the way he has discovered his spot up jumper. Add that to being the best 1 on 1 defender at the SF position. Add to that the way he has improved his defense in the passing lanes due to the weight loss, and you get a very underrated14 ppg scorer.
We are the only team in the East with a punchers chance of giving the Heat a serious post season problem. That’s because Iggy can defend Lebron while Jrue defends Wade. No one else in the league can match up with those two like that. Why trade Iguodala if it’s unlikely to get us out of mediocrity any day soon?
by wannabgm on Jan 18, 2012 8:14 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Couldn’t one make the case that with Iguodala playing outside his mind and his contract being relatively close to being done that he is at his most valuable now so in turn the Sixers would get more for him today than they would next year or would have prior to the year?
I am not advocating moving him or keeping him just asking the question.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Typically NBA players peak at Andre’s age. In the league for long enough to learn how to play the NBA game, know what you can do and know when to do it, and still young and athletic enough to have an advantage over their peers. He’s not playing out of his mind, he is just this good and as long as he stays healthy you will get this performance for a few more years. When his contract is up, you’ll have to ask yourself how long you think he’ll be able to maintain this high level of play. Kobe is a lot older and still playing great ball. It’s not inconceivable that Andre will maintain this level for years.
No matter how highly you value Dre, there’s no reason to shop him around now. Thorn shouldn’t be calling any GMs bc he can’t come across as eager to sell. Besides, they all know that Dre has been, is, and always will be on the market for the right price. Let the other GMs call Thorn. With the team winning, he can legitimately high-ball them. Who knows? Maybe another GM makes an offer he can’t refuse. If not, we hold put until the trade deadline. Maybe then, a desperate contender offers up their entire future in exchange for a chance to win now. Haste makes waste. What’s the worst that can happen? We hold into Dre. That’s plenty fine by me.
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 18, 2012 8:25 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
right on
right on man. You are exactly right here.
Still think no matter what we do in the playoffs will not sway Dwight… as evidenced by his non-interest in Chicago.. but it could certainly sway Kevin Love if we’re willing to offer him a max contract…
Love=great idea
Kevin Love is a great idea for this team. You essentially replace Brand’s contract with Love’s and you improve the team. The only potential problem is they just overpaid Thad Young and they would still need a 2 or 3 to replace Meeks
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by xEgan on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
full of win.
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If the sixers want to get creative they could trade iggy for an expiring contract, amnesty brand, let hawes walk at the end of the year and somehow convince love and howard to join forces to make the best front court in the league.
Jrue
Turner
Young
Love
Howard
Not sure the numbers would work (someone would have to take a paycut) but it’s an idea that will of course never happen. Also, they prob wouldnt be able to retain holiday and ET after their rookie contracts…nvm just forget all the above.
Thad and Noci for Andrew Bogut, anybody? I love Thad, but Bogut and Brand starting with Hawes off bench is beast. Maybe then trade Vuc for a decent solid young PF.
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 18, 2012 12:36 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Is that a metaphor?
“Shooting numbers actually stabbing (the almighty in the rectum)”?
Lol, makes me laugh, thank you.
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In terms of a bar graph, the point is so sharp and high that it would be nipping at God’s ass. Thanks for recognizing the metaphor – it’s nice to hear people get my references/metaphors from time to time.
by Michael Levin on Jan 19, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions

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