Marreese Speights Scored Points, You Shouldn't Be Surprised
When the Sixers traded Marreese Speights to the Memphis Grizzlies for essentially nothing, most people saw that as a waste of a talent. It was. Speights as a ton of ability, highlighted by his jump shot and offensive rebounding ability. But though the Sixers didn't gain much, they didn't lose anything from their roster either, because Mo was never going to get significant time under coach Doug Collins.
Why? Because Mo doesn't play defense, doesn't pass, and doesn't score efficiently. And that has not, and will not change with the Grizzlies or any other team that gambles on the Gator forward with minimal basketball IQ and, if interviewers and twitters are to be believed, minimal old fashioned IQ as well.
Last night, Speezy scored 16 points and pulled in 12 rebounds in a Memphis win over the Derrick Rose-less Bulls. The Lazies would say "DOUBLE DOUBLE HEY GREAT GAME!" and commend Speights for his terrific performance. More specifically, Philadelphia Lazies are saying "EY COLLINS WHYDJA TRADE HIM HE COUDLA BEEN ARE BEST BIG MAN YA BUM!" And unfortunately, regardless of the fancy explanations I'm about to come up with, these baseless arguments comprise of 99% of the sports universe. Either way, in the face of that disadvantage, I'm going to give it a shot after the jump.
Again, we knew Speights could score when he was still on the team. It's hardly shocking that he's averaged almost 12 points per game in the last 5 games with Memphis in place of Zach Randolph. What's even less surprising is that he's continued Z-Bo's trend of taking opportunities away from better player Marc Gasol.
But that's not what this is about. Speights scored 16 points last night. The fact is, it took him 16 shots to do it. His eFG% for the season is a putrid .436 and his TS% is .482. Both stats, which incorporate 3-points made and/or foul shots into field goal percentage, would be lowest on the Sixers this season. That's not efficient. That's not good. That is NOT helping his team win games. The man Mo was tasked in guarding, Taj Gibson, needed only 8 shots to get his 16 points in eight less minutes off the bench. Mo's brand of "Take a Charge" defense has approximately a 25% chance of working and it's really too easy to score on him if you're a big man with any semblance of an offensive game.
Most people will tell you that points are points. It doesn't matter how many shots it takes to get there because you're getting your team the points in the end so the number of shots it takes is negligible. No. This is wrong. Carmelo Anthony scored 33 points today but it took him 27 shots to get there so he had a bad game. This is more the fault of mainstream media pandering to the miniscule attention span of the casual fan but saying how many points someone had simply isn't enough to evaluate their play as a whole.
A terrible metaphor for this is if America dropped a bomb on [insert country here] and killed 5,000 enemy soldiers, calling it a success. What they neglect to mention is that they killed 10,000 innocent citizens and 1,500 American troops who were stationed there. But hey, we killed 5,000 so let's just focus on that, right?
Wrong. Speights is not a good basketball player. He's selfish, he's stupid, he's below average at absolutely everything on a basketball court save for mid-range jump shots and offensive rebounding. If an NFL wide receiver could catch extremely well but didn't block, ran terrible routes, couldn't take care of the ball, and complained about playing time on Twitter, no one would want him. A jump shot is just one aspect of basketball, of which there are many. He's got no work ethic, he's overweight, he's lazy, and he wasn't getting any minutes on this team to begin with. It won't matter if he averages 30 points with Memphis. They will not win anything significant with him in a prominent role because it will take him 25 shots to get there, while playing no defense and missing wide open teammates early in the shot clock.
So, Casual 76ers Fan channeling Howard Eskin, before you get up in arms about how everyone in the Sixers front office are nitwits for trading Mo Speights, remember that he is a bad basketball player now and will be forever. The trade was not the best thing in the world, but picking up two 2nd rounders for a fat, ugly cheerleader can not and should not be seen as a regrettable move, regardless of the empty stats he puts up in Memphis. Take solace in the fact that the Sixers are 10-3 and Marreese Speights will never win a championship.
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Honestly, I’m surprised they got 2 seconds for him. I would have traded him for a losing Powerball ticket and a pair of the Traveling Pants.
It makes me sad, really. There’s no question that the guy has gobs of talent, and there’s no question that he’s a pudgy, lazy moron with the basketball IQ of a sofa and the defensive ability to match. He was a guy who by rights should have filled our biggest need, racking up 20/10s nightly, and keeping Ricko in a near-constant state of quasi-orgasmic bliss. But his horrific shortcomings so outweighed his obvious talent that he instead filled our need for a fat, dumb, lazy towel waver at the end of the bench.
That being said, I really miss “Speezy Sez” :)
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
Isn’t Ricko already in a near-constant state of quasi-orgasmic bliss? And re: Speezy Sez, I’m trying to get Straight Outta Vancouver (Griz SBN blog) to pick it up.
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not qualified to comment on Ricko’s orgasms or lack of same.
But I’m going to miss Marreese Speights, Cultural Icon, a hell of a lot more than I will miss Marreese Speights, horrifically disappointing basketball player.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
Who knows..
might find a diamond in the rough with those draft picks? Heck, we might use it as trade bait. More than likely using those picks for warm bodies. Anyone not name or like Doug Overton or Rex Walters. Man, those two guys were awful.
Good post.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
Great article...
Have to disagree on one thing though, how do we know if we got nothing for him yet? We have two players in our top 8 that were drafted in the 2nd round, not saying they would play right away but you never know or we could make them a part of a trade.
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I love draft picks. Love. But I remember Jon Givony tweeting something like 4.9% of all second round picks never played in the NBA for more than a season or never started or something or other. Basically, it’s unlikely that they’ll become anything. But with good scouts and draft people (and luck), things can work out as they have for Lou and Meeks (and Korver and even Bill Green).
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
i wont bash speights but i’m fine with our decision regardless of anything he does in the future. even if he turns into a perennial all-star and DPOY a few times.
he simply wasnt going to do it here. call it a rut, lack of work ethic, the attitude of many athletes society has catered to from the moment they showed enormous talent or coaching staff/team chemistry. i believe speights needed a change of scenery/someone to say “we’re fed up” to get his act together.
sometimes you gotta wish them well and let them go their way.
Broadening the article little and with the caveat that I’m not around the team and have no primary sources for what I’m about to say – it appears from a distance that we’ve cleaned house. Gone are the the low basketball IQ, “headache”, me-first type characters. Sammy D and Speezy probably being the main culprits. I know it’s corny and there’s no way to quantify this but chemistry seems to be very good going back to the last year or so. Young guys appear to get along and pull for each other, young guys are producing and playing important roles on a winning team, and veterans have bought in for the most part. It’s just fun to win with a team that’s pretty easy to root for.
by dp on Jan 17, 2012 7:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I remember when the Sixers drafted Thad they made a big deal out of him having great character to go along with skill. Outside of Speights, they’ve done a great job of drafting/acquiring “character” guys ever since the Iverson trade. Good chemistry seems like the way the front office wanted to build the team and it seems to be working this season.
I don’t think chemistry/character are corny at all. Basketball is a team game and players who are willing to be unselfish to help the team win will always be more valuable than guys who care about stats first and foremost. It’s the reason Jordan will all and forever be a greater player than Kobe – Jordan would give the ball up to an open Steve Kerr in a big moment, Kobe won’t.
Speights didn’t work hard, make an effort on defense, or play unselfishly, three things which Doug Collins rightly wants in his players. He’s a classic decent-looking-stats-on-a-lottery-team guy and if there was a danger collecting DNP-CDs was going to turn him into a malcontent, we’re better off without him.
by Xeynon on Jan 17, 2012 8:03 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jordan would give the ball up to an open Steve Kerr in a big moment, Kobe won’t.
LeBron does, and has, and gets blasted every time he does it.
Not that that has anything to do with anything. I just wanted to point that out because it has always bothered me.
With respect to the LBJ and MJ comparison, there always a lot of revisionist history. MJ gets love because he has the rings, was one of the 1st Nike apparel superstars (Air Jordans etc.) and wasn’t involved in “The Decision”. If LBJ wins a couple rings, he’ll get his props (maybe not MJ level but up there). People conveniently forget Jordan got dogged before he won his rings as well.
by dp on Jan 17, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like to think of LeBron as the modern day Oscar Robertson more than the next MJ.
by yosoysean on Jan 17, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Memory is a tricky thing, especially in sports.
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Jordan was dogged…but nothing ever remotely approaching the level with James. Part of that is the more cynical age we live in. Part of it is the modern ubiquity of sports media. But much of it lies in a simple fact: the Bulls never lost as favorites.
Chicago’s losses in the playoffs came to top-seeded Boston in ’86 and ’87, second-seed Detroit in ’88, and top-seeded Pistons teams in ’89 and ’90. All of those teams won the Eastern Conference, with three of them winning it all. Was Jordan criticized for regular season and playoffs failures against Detroit? Sure. But the Pistons were the higher seed come playoff time, and came within one win over LA of a three-peat. As top seed in ’91, the Bulls launched their dynasty. Did that mute the prior criticism? Sure. But it was never that loud to begin with.
After dragging the Cavs to the Finals in ‘07, and taking the eventual champion Celtics to the Finals in ’08, everyone was ready for the LeBron to follow in Jordan’s shoes when the Cavs snared the top-seed in ’09. They blew through the first two rounds, then lost to Orlando. Criticism begins. As top seeds in ’10, they lost to Boston. Criticism explodes. He moves to Miami, (criticism goes nuclear) and they lose as favorites in the Finals. (criticism crystallizes).
Maybe LBJ wins, and maybe that mutes the prior noise. Which might be comparable to Jordan. But the noise directed at MJ was never that loud, and never included things like “choke”, “lost as favorites”, “lost in Finals”, or “disappears in crunch time of Finals.”
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Great article. I agree that trading Speezy was in our best interest. But I can’t help but think that there’s a team out there who would have traded a defensive power forward in exchange for Speezy’s added offense. A player like Reggie Evans could come in as a stopper in place of Battie and contest shots.
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 17, 2012 9:03 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Defensive forward
who can get rebounds. We can’t have teams like the Wizards beating us on the glass.
I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.
A player like Reggie Evans could come in as a stopper in place of Battie and contest shots.
Uh, what?
Evans’ value on the defensive end comes purely from his rebounding. His shot blocking ability is almost nonexistent.
Speights has been on the trading block since last season. It seems that what the Sixers got from the Grizzlies/Hornets is the best that they could find.
I’m sensing a hint of distaste of Speights. I could be wrong, though.
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All I have to say is...
Maurice Speights- selected with pick #16 by Philadelphia
Roy Hibbert – selected with pick #17 by Toronto
JaVale McGee- selected with pick #18 by Washington
Another brilliant move by LOLStefanski.
So much fail.
by highwaterhello on Jan 17, 2012 10:00 AM PST reply actions
I don’t know if I could ever rooting for a guy like JaVale. I would probably force myself to but I really hate his attitude.
Hibbert I think is a bit overrated but of course he’s better than Speights. I don’t think he’d fit with the Sixers very well though. He doesn’t exactly run the floor well.
Sure Speights wasn’t a very good pick. But the Sixers did pick Thad over the expected picks of Al Thornton and Julian Wright plus the desired pick of Nick Young. They also picked Jrue over Ty Lawson and Eric Maynor. There are plenty of things you can make fun of Stefanski for but drafting isn’t one of them.
I’m also surprised no one mentions Ryan Anderson was picked 4 spots later. I’d rather have him than JaVale or Hibbert. I guess he doesn’t have enough name recognition yet.
Ibaka, Batum and DeAndre went after Speights as well.
by Jordan Sams on Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Considering we’re currently winning with young guys like Turner, Jrue, and Meeks that Stefanski acquired, being coached by a coach Stefanski hired, I’m not sure LOLStefanski is really deserved.
Want to roast him on Iguodala and Brand contracts? Ok. but he did alright on getting young talent.
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by Derek Bodner on Jan 17, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sum of parts stats
When Speezy is dropping double-double’s I’ll be looking at his +\- and PER lines to solidify what I think is going on downthere in Memphis.
The guy seemed like a vacuum to me when he was on the court. The output from the sum of 5 guys out there seemed to be less than when he wasnt a part of the equation.
I wish him well. It didn’t work out here for him.
by andyreidswaistline on Jan 17, 2012 10:57 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I imagine PER would favor Speights. It seems to weight volume scoring above pretty much anything else. It also doesn’t adequately factor in defense.
To be fair, it’s never claimed to adequately factor in defense.
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by Derek Bodner on Jan 17, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
True. But it’s still a reason for me to not take it seriously as a player metric. It’s just there, sort of like wins for a pitcher.
But it’s not meant to be a player metric. Win Shares and Wins produced are. It’s like saying TO% is a poor way of measuring rebounding ability.
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by Derek Bodner on Jan 17, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Ok. but I can’t blame that on the stat.
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by Derek Bodner on Jan 17, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for writing this. Cant wait for people to read it and still not get the point.
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by jefu on Jan 17, 2012 11:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Partly inspired by your Melo comment from the thread, my friend.
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's not the 2nd Round picks that were important in the trade...
IT WAS THE TRADE EXEMPTION! The two second rounders really mean absolutely nothing to the Sixers. What we really cared about was the trade exemption, which allows us to make a trade without having to match up the salaries. It pains me to see that none of you realizes how important this could be to bring in huge talent to our squad!!!
You’re right. We often overlook the intangibles, because…well, we can’t put a face to them. From now on, I’ll simply picture Billy Zane everytime I think of the exemption. Wow, that really works: I love trading Speezy for Zane and a pair of 2nd rounders.
by Blunt Philly Guy on Jan 17, 2012 3:39 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
The trade exception is equal to Speights’ salary, which was for 2.7 million for this season. What huge talent will we be bringing in at that amount for nothing but that very same trade exception in return?
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Also, as I said, it’s “exception” not “exemption”.
by Michael Levin on Jan 17, 2012 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t understand the trade, but I was fine with the decision. In Doug I trust and believe that if Speights showed him any sense of wanting to play the right way, he would still be here.
Maybe Never is the wrong word, but Speights isn’t the sharpest tack in the box, and playing smart is just as important as playing hard. 16 points in 16 shots isn’t bad, it means he made 8 of the 16 assuming all his shots were from the 2-pt. area and he had no free throws. 50% from the field is above the NBA player average. It’s the other aspects of Speights game, like knowing when to rotate when to stay back to defensive rebound and so on. Doug gave up on him and he doesn’t do that without cause.

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