Monta Ellis Can Score But He's Not a Good Scorer

The most damning stat, however, is how much better the team played without him. Golden State outscored its opponents quite comfortably as long as Ellis wasn’t around, and finished a whopping 11.4 points per 100 possessions better without Ellis — giving him the single worst differential in basketball.

Ellis is talented enough that he may eventually become very valuable, but at the moment he is the league’s most overrated player. He plays like he learned the game from watching Allen Iverson tapes, and I don’t mean that as a compliment. Probably no player in the league took more ill-advised jump shots early in the shot clock, a particular problem in this case because Ellis isn’t a good jump shooter — he made only 33.8 percent of his 3s and 38.1 percent of his long 2s.

Ellis finished with a gaudy scoring average because he played a lot of minutes on a fast-paced team, but he was 47th among shooting guards in both TS% and pure point rating. Basically, he dribbles around looking for a shot unless circumstances force him to pass.

This guy makes a point by saying that maybe they want to get out of Dre’s contract now so they don’t have to worry about losing Thad, Jrue, or Evan(hopefully that doesn’t lead to any bad contracts). There 1st rounder better come back if it happens

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6634304

The fact that I found out Monta Ellis also raps scares me even more. These Lou Williams comparisons are too real!

“Monta Ellis Can Score But He’s Not a Good Scorer”

what? I’ve watched Monta for years, the guy is an electric scorer, he’s an awesome finisher. His problems are defense. He’s a very good scorer.
Don’t blame the Warriors constant ineptitude on this guy, he’s been one of our few bright spots and even after the moped incident he’s come back with class. It’s just not going to work with him and curry but to say he’s just a product of Don Nelson or something is absurd.

Ellis can be efficient. Someone made a point about when he played with Davis and Jackson how he shot over 50 percent from the field. Obviously, his game has gotten better, but his ego has grown with it. If Collins can discipline him, he could help us tremendously on offense. But that still doesn’t change his lackluster defensive skills. Unless we want Jrue to have to guard the better guard on the other side, that will hurt us probably more than his offense will help us.

According to Eskin the trade is real

he is a nightmare to gaurd 1 on 1

If you watch the Warriors, when the clock gets down to under 10 seconds someone will always treat the ball like hot potato and pass it Monta where he forced to take an ill advised shot as the clock is expiring. When he was a second and third option in 2008 he was the most efficient SG in the league and shto over 53% from the floor. Hell he even went over 60% for an entire month. The lack of other talent on the warriors has made it so he has had to take on too much all the time. If he played on a good team he would be an instant all-star. he is a stud!

Here’s Bucher talking about it on a philly station.

I really don’t think he’s as bad as the numbers you are pulling out. I mean, 11.4 points per possesion is a lot. However, he played over 40 minutes of every game and only missed 2 games. You can’t look at those numbers and say that the sample size for the minutes he missed isn’t completely skewed. He’s also a 47% career shooter. And he’s a guard. Do you realize how good that is?

Maybe there are problems with fit, sure. But I would say he fits better than Iggy simply because he won’t be standing directly in the way of Turner. Defense will certainly be an issue, but there are plenty of people who can help him pick up his slack. If he keeps his production on the same level, he could very easily leave in the summer of 2013 in search of a long term contract. $11M isn’t a ton, and if he thinks he can do better he probably would give it a shot. There will be plenty of teams making room for Dwight, and the loosers of the sweepstakes would gladly pay some nice coin to pick up Ellis and appease some of the fans (see A’mare). It would be hard to say the same thing about Iggy making 150% of that number.

Iggy is good, no doubt. But he obviously isn’t the guy to build a team around. The kind of money he is being paid is that level of player. You’re not going to get a team to part with that type of asset for him. You pretty much have to take a salary dump (as in Hedo) from a team that paid too much for someone who didn’t pan out, or you have to take someone with some flaws. Honestly, I’m not sure you’ll get a whole lot better than Ellis, especially for a team that could use a really boost to the offense.

If it were to happen I would hope you could milk a little more out of it (i.e. switching picks or throwing in Udoh) since I do think this is tilted towards the warriors a bit, but I don’t think this is a terrible solution.

He proved that in 2007-2008 when he shot 51.3% from the field and that was with a less-refined 3-point stroke. And the year before that he shot 47.5% which is respectable for a shooting guard. When evaluating Ellis, one needs to look at the situation in which he was placed in Golden State. He didn’t even play with a real point guard this season, and everyone knows that the past few years under the Nellie offense (Before Smart tried to stupidly turn them into a defensive team with that personnel) the mantra was shoot, shoot, shoot. I believe that under the tutelage of Collins, Ellis can prove to be an efficient scorer especially now given the fact that his jumper has improved. He also shot a career best 78.9% from the FT line (not counting a 25-game season) this year, so he is showing signs of improvement there.

I’m not necessarily saying him for Iggy straight up is the best trade ever or is completely fair value, but I guess what I’m saying is we shouldn’t write him off so quickly as an inefficient scorer, because he has shown he can score efficiently in the past, but it must be under the right conditions. I think playing with Jrue would definitely help his game. After all, the man has a better career FG% than Kobe Bryant by 1.4%, and he certainly has a better career FG% than Iguodala despite being (listed as) 3 inches shorter and 27 pounds lighter. Ellis jacked up a lot of shots this year because the Warriors had so many possessions and, on a lot of them, his teammates kind of stood around and watched. If ET can improve his game and be a scoring threat at the 3 and Thad can do his work in the post, Monta won’t need to play run and gun and shoot all day. He can potentially play efficiently in an offensive system with Jrue, ET, Thad, EB (and hopefully a real center that actually rebounds and plays defense AKA not Spencer Hawes).

maybe under a defensive minded head coach he can be pursuaded to play defense. i know his slim frame makes that difficult against the bigger SGs of the league, but hopefully it wouldnt be as bad as any of us think. i think doug can influence him.

having him allows meeks to take the role of sixth man which is wear he belongs. a spark of the bench. and as for losing dre’s defense…that sucks, but from what i saw this season turner wasn’t half bad defending.

i feel the same way about dre as i did mcnabb. terrific player, but time for a change.