Monta Ellis is Lou Williams

Of course Warriors fans are thrilled, but Iggy is a much better team player who has impact all over game. If the sixers were doing it as cost cutting measure than I understand trading him away, but for a player who isn’t as good, is high usage, whould get in the way of Jrue’s developement just as he has Curry, and costs a ton. Check out GSOM, there is a reason people are thrilled to get rid of a guy who avg so many points.

Jordan, you would honestly rather the hedo trade, are you mad? obviously monta is not the ideal player but he does one thing well which is score and this team sorely needs a player with the talent to carry the offence for stretches. He isn’t inefficient and steph curry was able to flourish beside him in golden state so I am not worried about Jrue. Your comparison to lou williams is nothing but stupid, you reference per 36 minute totals.

Seriously?

The difference is monta ellis actually puts up those numbers while lou williams in less minutes and with lower expectations can not even keep pace with monta at the same efficiency.

as for defence monta is not an elite wing defender as he does not possess the tools iguodala has so expecting him to bring anything close to that is gravely unrealistic. Then again who else would you rather want in this league to shut down a perimeter defender? lebron james? That’s about it, and for smaller quick gaurds i think i would give iguodala the nod ahead of lebron. However Ellis’ defence has to be looked at in the context of the warriors system who play at an alarming pace. He does play the passing lanes well and does so in a way that doesn’t leave his big men to dry. In a team like the sixers Ellis will certainly be passable on the defensive end and will probably be better on the defensive end than turner due to his fantastic lateral speed.

there are very few players in this league who are capable of putting up 25ppg the list is short and an elite scorer is something that this team needed. Monta ellis’ true shooting percentage is almost identical to another elite scorer in kobe bryant. Much like Iguodala ellis does not get credit for how good he is as fans quickly dismiss his capabilities because of the market he plays in and the success (lack thereof) of his team.

After a lot of consideration I think I would do this trade for 3 reasons

- It allows the so called future of our franchise the genuine chance to work through his lumps and become the player we hope for (evan turner)

- While it isn’t a move that will put us over the top i can see the team improving, especially if turner can somewhat fill iguodala’s role.

- I can’t see us being any worse off than we are now, ellis is a year and a half younger and earns around 2 mill less per. We aren’t competing for a championship and this isn’t a move that will hinder or handicap the franchise.

-Iguodala a player who relies on his elite athleticism, playing the minutes he has is taking its toll already and i perceive a decline in his play as his contract bloats. Iggy will be 30 when he expires while ellis only 28 still. Ellis is likely to still be playing at a high level when our young players have matured.

could you imaging turner developing into a serviceable all around small forward

jrue taking the next step

ellis providing a constant scoring friend

a talented big man once brand comes off the books

I think that could be a decent core

point is at worst i think this is only a lateral move that will make us no better no worse.
Why not try a different angle, plus the front office may finally be able to justify ridding their drafted prodigy ‘the boss’ from the sixers

I really dislike this potential trade. We need efficiency on offense, not a volume shooting black hole.

although these points will be beaten to h3ll, we can’t forget what ellis is on a fundamental level. a 6’ 3", 185 pound score first shooting guard who can’t guard anybody.

main points:

small
score first shooting guard
can’t guard anybody at his position

you put ellis on the floor and he has to play offensively as a 2, which will take jrue and turner out of the game. he’s small, so you’re basically making jrue a defense only guard since ellis dominates the ball every time he’s in. not to mention, turner doesn’t make as much sense at the 3.

this league is going to get bigger in the backcourt, the main teams we have to worry about in the east are going to be the heat and the bulls. turner is a fantastic size, he was difficult to guard in the playoffs, and as a 6’ 7" 2 guard when his game comes together he’s going to be a difficult cover in this league. jrue is 6’ 4" and will have physical dominance over almost every point in the league.

not to mention that BOTH of their games show promise of efficiency and effectiveness in the HALF court.

think about the future, we want this team to play championship ball. monta ellis doesn’t fit. he plays like lou williams, and both of them aspire to be jason terry [except that neither plays well without the ball], and terry is getting abused by a team that we will absolutely have to face in the future.

you want to do anything of note in the Eastern Conference, then you have to build your team to take down miami and chicago. grabbing a tiny guard who hogs the ball, can’t defend, and thrives in the sort of open space that just doesn’t exist in the playoffs would be the sort of costly mistake this team will regret for a long time.

The funny thing is that they both are rap stars. Monta just came out with a song a couple weeks ago called full time grind. Look it up on YouTube.

I’m a big Monta fan, but increasingly, I’m coming to realization, a backcourt of Curry/Monta will never go far because of defensive deficiencies. The issue is, this doesn’t make Monta a bad player, it just means he required a big PG. Monta plays good defense on PGs. He’s proven it by shutting Derrick Rose down, forcing Deron Williams into 8 turnovers etc. etc. But because of his lack of length, he cannot adequately guard a SG so he requires a bigger PG. This should sound familiar to Phili fans with Allen Iverson, right?

So really, our options are to trade Curry and acquire a big PG or trade Monta and find a big SG. The latter seems easier.

The kicker is though, you have a PG who is capable of guarding SGs like Baron Davis did. Jrue is 6ft4 with a 6ft8 wingspan. That’s legitimate SG size, especially when you consider he is getting stronger, weighs over 200 lbs now and will probably put on another 10-15 lbs of solid weight naturally over next couple years.

Secondly, I want to touch on Monta’s efficiency. If you look ,Monta’s best year efficiency wise was 07-08 where he had a TS% of .580 (better than Kobe and in Dwade range). He did this because he plays his best OFF the ball. The reason Warriors fans wanted Keith Smart fired was because he foolishly ran the offense through monta and not Curry. Monta iso’d way too much and while he is somewhat good at it, he’s better slashing and using his quickness than playing like Derrick Rose. This is where Jrue Holiday would help out. He’s clearly your PG of the future. As he continues to develop as a playmaker Monta will only improve efficiency. If you plan to run every play as an Iso for him, he’ll struggle to be efficient like most players in NBA not named LeBron, DWade or Kobe do. (think Westbrook + Durant type relationship with Jrue and Monta. Yeah Durant gets his iso plays but a lot of his offense is set up by westBrook, something Smart almost NEVER allowed Curry to do)

We also need to consider the fact monta put up that .580 TS% with a ridiculous 53% FG%. At that point he didn’t have a 3 point shot (he does now, he hits around 37% and when it’s a catch and shoot it’s above 40%), he’s been gradually getting to the line more and more, and that should continue to evolve as he gets craftier.

Now the question is of Lou Williams. If you get Monta, having Lou on the bench is redundant. But from a salary perspective, would you consider Lou + Iguodala for Monta + Bell. Charlie Bell expires this year, and the move would give you 9+ mil of cap space next year, and put you only at 30 mil committeD (18 of which is elton’s expiring).

Why do we do it? Well, like I said, we have a PG of future, who is a defensive liability. But like Monta he is also a bit of a score first player. So while we’ll lose scoring production in Monta we could make it up with Steph and others while Iguodala would give us the things we’re lacking (Defense, rebounding etc).

I always thought it was unfair Monta got labelled an overrated player. In my opinion as good as he is, he hasn’t reached near his potential because of mismanagement of two coaches without a clue how to utilize him effectively (Keith Smart and a checked out semi-retired version of Don Nelson in 09-10)

Opposing teams game plan against Monta in an effort to slow him down. Williams comes off the bench and is going at the opposing team’s bench. Big difference. The difference in FG% is also significant. Monta’s 45% from the field is decent for a SG. Williams’ 40% is fairly awful. Monta plays a lot of minutes and would probably be more productive if he played less. He would be more rested and wouldn’t have to take so many shots. Another important difference is Monta’s ability to get open for quality crunch time shots. He hit a number of big game winning and tying shots last season. He is one of the best in the NBA at creating his own shot. Monta is the far superior player, it’s not even close.

Lou is a poor man’s Monta. Monta is one of the most explosive offesive weapons in the game. Other teams have to design their whole defense around stopping this guy – something no one has ever said about Lou Williams.

How about Monta and Beidrins for Lou Williams and Iggy?

Philly gets a decent center who was once very good, his problems are due to confidence issues, not skill or injuries and you get Monta and shed two players (iggy and lou) who you have guys that duplicate them in some respects (turner and now, monta). Plus, you get a center who is better than what you currently have.

GS gets to dump Beidrins contract, gets the SG they want to pair with Curry in Iggy, and they get a solid backup guard for their thin bench.

projecting out Lou’s 2nd team stats is nice, but you forget that Lou is a 2nd team player. period. end of story. new story about the old story. Let’s call it ‘Monta Ellis ruins Lou Williams Cred4ever’

January 16, 2005
Ellis, Lanier prevail over South Gwinnett

Bob Gibbons
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting

Strong-willed, “refuse to lose,” Monta Ellis led his Jackson, Miss., Lanier High School team to a thrilling, come from behind win over Snellville, Ga., South Gwinnett High School, and their star guard, Louis Williams, in a matchup of the nation’s two best senior guards Saturday night in Jackson, Miss.

According to our representatives, Mississippi State signee, 6-foot-4 combo guard Monta Ellis was, unquestionably, the best player in the game, and, deserves to be rated the No. 1 guard in the Class of 2006.

With Memphis Grizzlies general manager Jerry West, and representatives from twenty-three NBA teams in attendance, Monta Ellis scored 46 points, and, as reported by Jackson Clarion-Ledger sportswriter, Todd Kelly, “cemented his reputation as one of the greatest high school players in Mississippi state history with one miraculous clutch shot after another, as Lanier High outlasted South Gwinett, 88-79, in double overtime, before an estimated crowd of 6,000 at the Mississippi Coliseum.”

“I told Monta in the fourth quarter this is where you need to prove yourself,” Lanier High coach Thomas Billups said. “Monta might have gotten a little tired, but you couldn’t tell by how he played at the end.”

As the clock ticked down at end of the fourth quarter Georgia recruit, 6-foot-1 second guard Louis Williams scored on a putback to give South Gwinnett a 64-62 lead. With just 7 seconds left Ellis raced down the court, aqueezed between two defenders, and banked in a miraculous shot from the three-point stripe (that Coach Billups thought was a three-pointer), to tie the game at 64-64, and force overtime.

Then, according to Todd Kelly, “with Lanier seemingly on their deathbed, Ellis drained a lean-in three-pointer to trim South Gwinnett’s lead to 69-67 with 31 seconds left in the first overtime. Ellis called it his most difficult shot of the day.”

In the second overtime Ellis was just unstoppable, and continued to make clutch shots to lead Lanier to the crowd-pleasing 88-79 victory.

As Kelly wrote, “all in a day’s work for Ellis..”

sound familiar?

If Monta gets traded it will be a mistake. Question what you will about positional mismatches he presents or what he’s been able to accomplish with his supporting cast- but no one can deny the amount of heart this man plays. Even with a knock down mid-range game, he still crashes the lane routinely- always gets up, always keeps composed, always ready for the next kill shot. I want that player that wants to win the most on my team, and no one wants to win more then the Mississippi Bullet. Look around, I don’t see a lot big name free agents taking their talents to Oracle. Sure Iguodala has the name, the 4 EASTERN conference playoff appearances in 7 years- but if he’s so important to their limited successes, why’s Philly so quick to get rid of this guy?? Monta leaves it all on the floor every game, you just don’t trade your heart.

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Has never watched or played basketball in his life.

You are an idiot.