RUMOR: Andre Iguodala to the Golden State Warriors for Monta Ellis
by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 9:35 PM PDT
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PrintAndre Iguodala is a very talented, well-rounded basketball player. Monta Ellis is good at one thing: scoring. The less-informed have wanted him on the Sixers for some time. Well, here it is from the worldwide leader...
The Sixers, meanwhile, would be getting an electric scoring guard in the 6-foot-3, 185-pound Ellis, create an opening at small forward for rookie Evan Turner, and slice some money off their payroll. Ellis is owed $11 million for each of the next three seasons. Iguodala makes $13.5 million next season and the contract increases by $1.2 million each of the next two years. Their current salaries are close enough that the swap could be made without any other additional considerations and meet league salary-cap rules.
Ric Bucher is reporting that his sources are solid on both sides but that a deal is not imminent. Though it would work as a 1-for-1 swap, I'd have a really tough time digesting any food for a long time if Louis Williams is not sent to Golden State in the deal with the Sixers getting back a big guy like Ekpe Udoh in return. Here's how it would look.
Ellis can really score the basketball, a trait that this team sorely lacks. But with an effective field goal percentage of 49.3%, he doesn't do it particularly efficiently. And if we all remember our lesson in usage rates with Lou, we'll recall that a 28.1% usage rate is one of the highest in the league. It's tough to compare stats in a system like GSW but that's more than The Boss himself, quite the admirable feat. His win shares per 48 minutes would have been 8th on the Sixers this season, just a notch above the incomparable Tony Battie.
Monta is also a terrible defender, and with a wingspan smaller than his height, it'd be tough for he and Jrue Holiday to match up against most backcourts in the league. The small forward void would open up a spot for ET in the starting lineup, but the cost of losing one of the most efficient wings in the league for possibly the highest-volume shooter this side of Turkish Allen Iverson may be too high. The market for Andre is relatively slim and though there's not any rush to make a deal, this may just be the best package available for him. At least it's better than Hedo.
What do you think? Is this a move the Sixers should pull the trigger on? It significantly improves the Warriors because a Stephen Curry/Andre/Dorell Wright threesome is pretty nice, but does it do the same for the identity-devoid Sixers? What if the 11th pick in the draft was involved? With Mark Jackson announced as new Warriors coach, will he diagram a play called "Momma there goes that man"? And finally, could a Lou Williams/Monta Ellis backcourt be the funniest thing to hit the basketball court since Rick Mahorn and Charles Barkley?
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I’d take it over the Hedo trade any day of the week.
by Dan Deathcore on Jun 6, 2011 9:43 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Its pretty much a done deal.
Coming from the Warriors they are looking for a little sweeteining for taking on Andres bloated contract.
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Jun 6, 2011 9:44 PM PDT reply actions
I’m gonna bloated contract all over this computer if the Warriors actually want sweetening in this deal.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont get it from 76ers end
I thought they were doing this to clear cap, and they are taking a lesser player back, for about the same money
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 6, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
The contracts are the same length and Iggy makes a couple million more each year
The financial savings would be minimal for Philly.
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Wow, no way. You post on the warriors site and you overvalue Ellis? This is shocking. You can keep your overhyped volume scorer and enjoy not making the playoffs for the remainder of his contract.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Warriors fan here...
would you give up Iggy, Williams and Speights for Biedrins, Monta and Charlie Bell? (or something along those lines) Maybe we throw in a 2nd rounder as well.
Wow
I could see why the Warriors would do it, but the Philly angle leaves me befuddled.
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by kwill on Jun 6, 2011 9:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I generally support anything that leaves me befuddled.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
If that was the case for me, I would generally have to support everything.
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Makes things easier!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like every trade just leaves the Sixers spreadin butt cheeks asking to give away something for nothing
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by xEgan on Jun 6, 2011 10:07 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
rec’d for visuals.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Ever really watch Monta Ellis play regularly.
He is unstoppable on a lot of nights.
by Skeptic Con Urquel on Jun 6, 2011 10:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
So is everyone he guards.
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by kwill on Jun 6, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
76ers team D is much better than the Warriors team D
Monta’s D wouldn’t be as much of a liability as you think
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
It would depend if the bigs can stay out of foul trouble
Because Monta would play “ohlay” better than any spanish mantador.
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by kwill on Jun 6, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sixers team defense is better than the Warriors’ because of Andre Iguodala. Without him, they’re a decidedly below average defensive team.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
True but the Sixers still have guys like Jrue and Evan who are capable of playing well good defense, plus it’s part of their scheme. Not the case in Golden State. Not that I am advocating for this trade because I’m not.
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At this point Jrue and Evan are both average defenders. They are capable of improving, sure, but talking right now they don’t vault this team to the heights that Andre does on defense.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 7, 2011 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions
So is everyone he guards.
No true. Warrior fan here. He is as quick as anyone in the league which shows mostly in his offense. But there was a period the previous year when he was taking the court with a bunch of D-leaguers and volunteered to match up against the other team’s top scorer—including Kobe and Durant. And he was impressive.
I think your right.
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by dont_stop_believin' on Jun 6, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
haha yep
Thats why in the Bay they call him the Monta-dor OR Speedy Gonz-Ellis
Shut up, just shut up. You had me at "cure for Cohan".
It’s so catchy though!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 6, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
This could work ...
If Collins likes it, I’d say make the deal as follows:
Warriors get: Iguodala, M. Speights, #16 pick
Sixers get: Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh, #11 pick,
If Collins doesn’t like it, that means this is a Warriors source only rumor and the SIxers have no intention of pulling the trigger. I’m behind Doug Collins either way. He’ll have a feel for whether he can make it work with this guy.
That’d be much better. Udoh actually plays defense and passes the ball, unlike Speights. We get that pick five spots higher too. But I still don’t want Ellis.
by Matt3511 on Jun 6, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Neither do most people at GSOM.
But yes, that would be worlds better than first reported. But still a weird trade for sixers
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 6, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors fan here (because my team hasn't moved.)
From what i’ve seen on GSOM, he is still liked, but for some reason trade-able.
If this goes down, expect the dubs to ask for a little extra. money,draft pick, young tall white guy, etc.
Monta is younger and more athletic; he is a team changer. 2-3 years ago, Iggy was compared to LeBron quite a bit. I haven’t heard that in a while.
Sixers games are never on here on the best-coast and i can’t bare to watch them they are actually on. Monta’ “EXPLOSIVENESS” (ESPN word.) will make these games more watchable, thus more money comes in. EVERARIBADY HAPPY!
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Jun 7, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
You said a lot, but you didn’t actually say anything that is intellectually stimulating or intriguing. If anything, your refusal to watch sixers games, and thus, your lack of knowledge about the team and Iguodala’s role on the team only discredits any type of argument you wish to make.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
also
we need a guy willing to play a team game because right now with out iggy we have three guys who need the ball in the hands lou, evan, and jrue. If we did this we would need to get a dalembert/ chandler type big to patrol the paint with monta being the next coming of AI the original. We probably might also have to get rid of lou which i would be fine with because we can’t have two of the same player on the team, esspecially ones so bad at the half court offense.
by sd3 on Jun 7, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting statement here:
Sixers games are never on here on the best-coast and i can’t bare to watch them they are actually on.
So instead of actually watching Iguodala and seeing what he brings to the table, you listen to…people, I guess, and since you don’t hear him being compared to Lebron you figure trading Ellis for Iggy is a great deal for Philly!! Sound logic to be sure.
i never hear about him either
because espn is too busy whoring yanks/sawks to actually talk about anything else.
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by DEBACLE OF MASS ERUPTION. on Jun 7, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You won't find a single Warrior fan...
willing to give up Udoh. Yes there are a few who whine about his lack of rebounding but NO ONE would toss the best defender that franchise has seen in years into a trade that doesn’t bring back someone better than Iggy.
Warrior Fan for many years here
I think this is a win-win for both teams.
Monta is one of the biggest offensive threats in the game. he can pass the ball well, run the point as needed, makes just about every shot (including a much improved three) and gets lots of steals. He is WAAAAY better than Lou Williams. in addition, he also plays his heart out – loves to be a baller, and is the closest thing to Iverson I ever saw.
If Turner can fill Iggy’s shoes – you are in good shape.
I worry that Iggy is on the downside of his career though – your thoughts?
Eh. Def for Warriors
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 6, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
i don't want another Allen Iverson
he was probably the greatest scoring point guard of all time but he did not make his team mates better and played no defense also monta having theball in his hands on most possessions would kill the growth of our young players namely evan and jrue
by sd3 on Jun 7, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
major difference is...
Monta is more responsive to coaching than AI was, not that this is saying much, of course. You guys have a great head coach – wish he was our hire instead of Mark Jackson – and Monta has never had a great head coach. He was close to Smart and became a much improved passer in the last year or two.
Also, in the East you need firepower to deal with the defensive powerhouses out there – Monta, Jrue and Evan could be the best wing trio in the league offensively.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 7, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Please don't do this Thorn
I’m not even 100 percent certain I’d rather do this deal than the Turkoglu one. The contract lengths are the same, but at least Turkoglu won’t take away the growth of Holiday and Turner. The way I see it, this makes us worse while only saving some money each year. We’ll still have Monta for three more years at about 11 mil per season.
Positives:
Saves us some money per season
Adds more scoring
Negatives:
Worse player
We have two chuckers on our team with Lou
He stunts Turner and Holiday’s growth
We get much worse defensively
We have an incredibly short back-court (not as short as Golden Stat’es, but still)
We would definitely need some sweetening of the pot, like someone suggested earlier. Maybe Udoh and Speights swap and/or swap first round picks. Try to give up Lou (I like him personally, but there’s no point for both). I just hate this for the development of Turner and Holiday, as well as it not helping us much in the free agent sweepstakes. Jodie will be reduced to much less playing time. He needs less but with Monta he’ll expect 40 MPG. I don’t know, I want us to trade Iguodala for the betterment of the team and I don’t believe this would suffice.
i dont like it
I love the Ws but the reason we stay weak is b/c we make these kinds of trades…curry,iggy,wright,lee, and whoever is not gonna win a ring…monta is the most talented player we got…sure he doesn’t play defense…but the warriors aren’t coached well on defense if he goes to philly you’ll love him…he plays like a man…he ain’t scared of nothin…he loves to pass…now you’ll get to see him learn to play d…so he will be complete…he’s not a ball hog… for yrs the Ws offense was don’t pass up a shot no matter what…we never a coach who cared about shot selection…I like iggy but the Ws get screwed…mark my words…
i dont like it
Oh…and I pray curry blossoms cuz this whole trade hinges on him being an all star…
alternative. please tell me what you think
Minnesota gets- nash, lopez, jodie meeks, suns 13th pick
suns get- iggy, flynn, number 2 pick
76ers get. A randolph, W Johnson. M pietrus.
Problems with the trade- still leaves the 76rs still very shallow at center. Minnesota might be giving too much and not getting enough back.
Good things- Minnesota wants a veteran big. Are you sure they didnt say a veteran and a big? haha. W johnson has shown that he is not a sg and they can get meeks and a draft pick at 13.
Suns get 3 starting quality players that were being pushed out of their respective teams.
I do not want Ellis. I know he can be explosive but I have a feeling it would be worse than watching Tha Boss. I do think he would interject some excitement into this team for the casual fans though.
The casual fan can snarf my nards.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 7, 2011 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And in case I haven’t made myself clear…
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What this team needs desperately is a remorseless chucker who doesn’t play a lick of defense, doesn’t pass, and has a usage rate that looks like the national debt. Wait…we already have one…so let’s get another one!!!!
Basically, he’s another volume shooter who thinks he’s a superstar. That’s what will take us over the top. The Monta/BOSS backcourt will lead us to victory!!!!!
Best thing would be the Lou Williams Hate Advisory Index competing with the Monta Ellis Boiling Point Scale. Could be catastrophic.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 7, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I really don't know
But I would have to agree that this may be the best deal the Sixers get. Certainly better than the Hedo deal, but Monta is SO inefficient, and to have a Lou Williams type player actually playing more minutes than Lou Williams does makes me a little sick. Maybe being a system like philly’s would change his defensive mindset (I think I’m just trying to find ways to tell myslef things will be ok). It will be interesting to say the least.
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his inefficient rating is misleading
Because of the Warriors style of play, they essentially choose to disregard efficiency and hope instead for volume. It doesn’t work but it also distorts players stats. Monta is a perfect example of this. Also, Monta will benefit from having a team with a better front court.
Essentially, Monta is WAAAAY better than Lou Williams, and if you have Iggy type in Evan Turner, then you will be a better team after this trade.
by Togna Balogna on Jun 7, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
So it’s the system’s fault that the Warriors played better when Monta wasn’t on the floor than when he was?
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by yosoysean on Jun 7, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this team needs size so badly it hurts
everyone BUT philly got punked by the heat this playoffs in the backcourt. monta ellis means perpetual small ball and an overloading of defensive role players to mask his shortcomings. this team needs versatile players, and ellis is a one trick pony.
Im not a monta ellis fan but this trade, in my oppinion, would not make me throw up on my keyboard or anything. The 11th pick would absolutley need to be included otherwise I’d hang up the phone right away. I wouldnt be opposed to throwing in Speights/Lou/Brackins to get this pick. We could hypothetically package both picks to move up and grab biyombo. Also, for those worried about his lack of defense, which is completley justified due to his wingspan and past, Doug will make Monta play defense and his defense, a la Lou this year, will be better even if marginally.
warriors fan
would u put in iggy, turner, and young
for monta, 11th pick, biedrins, and 1 or 2 bench players?
No chance
(also, Young’s a restricted free agent)
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Turner isn't going anywhere.
It would take us landing a true superstar to pry him away this soon into his career.
Sure!
But only if you punch my girlfriend in the face and kick my dog on your way out the door.
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So yeah this trade doesn’t really make sense. I mean Monta is an explosive combo guard who can score but that’s not really what we need right now. I mean the thought of watching him and Lou Williams is kind of adding to my nausea of being hungover. If your the warriors, it’s a great trade. Curry, Dre, and David Lee is pretty nice little core. But for us it’s just dumb. I don’t get it.
I can’t decide if I like this trade or not but does anyone else love this video of monta ellis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1j8ucgdVgCY
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May God have mercy on your souls
if this trade happens.
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im a warriors fan
would u guys do a trade kinda like this:
evan turner, iggy, young
monta, and some other ppl (u say who u want)
Said this above, but I'll say it again:
Turner isn’t going anywhere. It would take us landing a true superstar to pry him away this soon into his career. (And at this point nobody on the Warriors fit the “true superstar” bill.
I'm sorry
What’s the point of writing this?
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And some other ppl, tho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 8, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Warriors Fan Here
I agree that there are more pieces that need to move here (Speights/Lou/etc.) but I am in no rush to see Monta go. Yes we only had 36 wins this year but we had a lot of injuries and this guy is CLUTCH. You will want this guy in close games because he is fearless, can make keys shots, and will get to the free throw line. His defense is unconventional (not a great man to man guy but can play passing lanes and get steals) but could be very effective with other good defenders. The Sixers need a real offensive threat that can act like a superstar. Iggy does not do that.
no way to that trade...
But what if Lou Williams was added for udoh? R u guys still real high on him
by ytylerdurden on Jun 7, 2011 1:43 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No
W’s are too small already. Can’t trade big for small.
I get that Iggy has a big contract.
So at face value I get why this is a 1-for-1 trade, but IMO the sweetening would have to come from the W’s to make this palatable. Whether both teams throw in some more players/picks, but a straight-up swap just does not excite me at all. We’d be losing too many positive qualities that Iggy brings and Ellis wouldn’t.
igoudala to the warriors...possible. Monta to the Sixers...impossible.
Monta will not be a Sixer, even the thought of Ellis and Doug Collins trying to work together makes my head explode. If this trade goes down it will take a 3rd team to facilitate this transaction, and I think that team could be…The Minnesota Timberwolves.
Minny gets Monta…Warriors get Igoudala…Sixers get either the second pick (I doubt Minny does this but they do have Kahn making the decisions) or Beasley, Flynn(if the Sixers want him) and the 20th pick.
by Fairwood on Jun 7, 2011 5:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you
I’ve been thinking the same thing, but couldn’t think of a third team that worked other than maybe Indiana sending Granger to us, we send Igudala to GS, and GS sends Ellis to Indy.
I’d love Ellis in a Sixers uniform….If Iggy were playing a long side him. Thing is, Evan Turner isn’t a SF and probably never will be a SF. We saw last year, his lack of foot speed and how relatively weak he was in terms of upper body strength. He’ll need to rely on his handles at the next level and that’s a 2 guard.
If we want Ellis, Turner no longer fits. I’m not going to put a complete liability at SF, which is what Turner would become. One needs to put players in a position to succeed, this isn’t only the coaches job but management as well. It’s a lesson Thorn/Stefanski would be well to learn.
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