RUMOR: Andre Iguodala to the Orlando Magic for Hedo Turkoglu?
by Jordan Sams on Jun 3, 2011 5:30 PM PDT
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Jarrod Rudolph from Real GM wrote about it today.
The interesting thing about the Iguodala rumor is that the trade doesn't include Jameer Nelson, the one Magic player not named Howard that has value.
Hedo Turkoglu is the player the deal is rumored to be centered around.
At a glance, it really doesn't make sense for the Sixers. In fact, it's nuts when you look at the per year dollar amount of Turkoglu's contract. But if you look at it a little further you'll see that the Sixers stand to save around $22 million in the long run, maybe more depending on the new CBA, if they make deal that moves the length of Iguodala's contract.
It actually could work, which gives the rumor a little life.
This is probably my least favorite of all the Iguodala rumors. The only positive that would come from an Iguodala-Turkoglu swap would be a ton of cap space in 2013. Hedo's contract expires the same time Elton Brand's does – one year before Iguodala's. I dislike this rumor on a lot of levels, but since it would set the Sixers up as a major free agency player in 2013 I'd consider it. A year ago I wrote about the Summer of '13 and the importance of trading Iguodala before then.
What do you guys/girls think? Unfortunately I think we value Iguodala more than the rest of the league does. For as good of a player he is, no team seems eager to part with real value in exchange for him and his contract. For more on the whole Iguodala situation check out Derek's comprehensive piece from a few weeks ago.
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I have no doubt we can get this level of a deal at any point over the next 12 months. Making this trade now would be stupid.
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But does this kind of send the point home that he’s not Scottie Pippen? Or do you need more evidence. These GM’S been in the business for years, so I think they know more than lil old me.
But even lil old me called Iguodala a starter, nothing more and perferably a little less.(25 MPG off the bench)
by LeQuan Glover on Jun 3, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
1) I don’t think anybody thinks he’s at the level of Scottie Pippen, a hall of fame player. I think people think he’s a scottie pippen like player in style. A major difference I don’t expect you to be able to interpret.
2) An internet rumor from some guy who I’ve never heard of at RealGM proves nothing, outside of that we’re desperate to talk about something.
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This.
I agree on both points. credibility is huge in my book and right now I’m skeptical, but if this truly is the best we can get then I would say wait until a team becomes really desperate and possibly would offer more due to their circumstances.
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Oh Hell to the No!!
Really? A straight-up salary dump, and not even for this year? When was the last time Turkoglu contributed to a team? Three years ago?
The fact is, until draft night, we have no idea what people are willing to part with for Iguodala. I would sincerely hope that it’s more than a washed-up player who was never that terrific, except for one good year. Honestly, I’d rather run Nocioni out there every day than Turkoglu. At least he tries to play defense.
A few weeks ago, I ranted insanely about how we are more likely to end up being the new Timberwolves than the new Heat if we try to play that “let’s free up all the cap space for one season” game. And at least the Wolves (or the Nets, same thing, although it was through a trade, no one wanted to go there in free agency) have one player that free agents would actually want to sign to play with. Who, exactly, would Dwight Howard (since I assume that’s who everyone thinks we’re somehow going to get in 2013) sign in Philly to play with. He wants to win championships. He wants to be that last piece that puts a team over the top. You think he is going to come to Philly to play in front of empty seats with an almost certainly disgruntled Turner (who I am certain is going to be extremely freaking tired of hearing what a BUST!!! he is by then because he’s not averaging a 20/10/10 non-pathetic triple-double) and whatever poo-poo platter of minimum wage mall cops the front office can scrape up to surround him with?
There is only one opportunity to get an Iguodala trade right. Doing it for a straight-up two-years-from-now salary dump isn’t getting it right. And no, I don’t believe the fact that we would suck for those two years with Hedo replacing Iguodala and get higher draft picks is an upgrade.
I think with cap space and an improving Holiday and Turner, Dwight Howard would see this as a good opportunity. Just my opinion.
I respectfully disagree. Everyone has a decent point guard, which Jrue is. Not awesome, not the best, not a superstar. Decent. No one knows what Turner is going to be…I think he’ll turn out OK, but is it enough to convince a top start that the pieces are in place to win the title right now? Plus, by then, Jrue will be in his walk year, and he’s not going to want to stick around to roll with the mall cops.
Anyway, I don’t expect we’ll be signing a top free agent that year. Somehow, I expect the front office will blow the money on a second-tier player who just wants to get paid. Sort of like signing Joe Johnson to a max deal because you have the money to sign someone, but LeBron and Wade and Bosh are taking their talents to South Beach to win.
You have to be kidding
1) LA isn’t letting Griffen go, at least not on his rookie contract. He’ll get maxed well before that’s ever a possiblity. He’s the best thing that’s happened to that team in decades.
2.) Dwight Howard > Blake Griffen in terms of helping a team. Griffen’s defense is nowhere near the level of Howard’s. Griffen has the star power, and if that’s what you like, well good for you. But if you’re serious about your team wanting to actually win a championship Howard should be your choice.
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No I’m not kidding. I like the idea of having my “star” players (i.e. Turner, Holiday & Griffen) all around the same age, meaning they can grow and develop together.
Defense can be taught, and under a coach like Collins, one would hope with the physical tools Griffen posesses, that Griffen would become a very good defender at the PF position.
I don’t think Howard would consider the Sixers in a million years. Where as it may be possible to prise Griffen from a franchise that has been notoriously cheap in the past when it comes to resigning players.
As it is, this is my fantasy, not yours. If you dream of “handsy” Dwight (per the espn add), good for you.
It’s spelled Griffin.
(Sorry, it was bothering me every time I read it)
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lineup
If the sixers got Griffin it would be a miracle, but they would also be contenders. They could trade Iguodala to the Suns for a second first round pick and bundle their 2 first round picks for a player like bismack biyombo, marcus morris, or enes canter. Thad would shift to the 3.
Lineup:
1- Holiday
2-Turner
3- Thad
4- Griffin
5- Biyombo
as stated above, the sixers will never get blake griffin
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by DeuceisLoose926 on Jun 6, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the message is getting through.
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einman!
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Hey man
How’s life in the states? I’m heading back August 1st, then to Oregon in the middle of the month. If you’re in the area we should grab a beer or something.
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I've said this before
If we’re gonna do a trade like this we could deal him to Chicago for Deng and Asik. Chicago gets another guy that can create for others and take pressure off of Rose, as well as an upgrade defensively. We get a good off the ball type scorer that would fit in much better with Holiday and Turner, as well as a defensive minded big with some room to grow. It works financially as well.
I think Chicago is satisfied with Deng. I think he is a better jump shooter that Iggy which will keep defenders honest and prevent defenses from collapsing on Rose when he drives into the lane. He’s not as good of a defender as Iggy but he’s no slouch on defense. What CHI needs is an upgrade at PF, SG and have Rose work on his jump shot and pick n roll.
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Lol, wow that's awful.
How about the Suns offer you guys something centered around VC (instant capspace), Lopez and our 1st rounder?
Don't trade Dudley!
In a heart-beat! We get the second first rounder, we get cap-space and a top-flight center.
Since we got the center in the trade, we can actually package those two picks, try to move up to get a high quality talent. Maybe Enes Kanter(There’s nothing wrong with more size).
by LeQuan Glover on Jun 3, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah seriously Robin Lopez a topflight center?? WTF? He shouldn’t even be the starting center on that team. Gortat>Robin
by FooFighter1124 on Jun 4, 2011 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Doesn’t the fact that a fan would be willing to trade him (along with a first draft pick and cap space) for a 25 MPG bench player kind of send home the fact that Robin Lopez isn’t Bill Russell ?
Top flight center. Holy crap. I just spit out my cheerios all over my keyboard.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 4, 2011 4:07 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Question for you derek
isn’t deandre jordan a free agent this year i read that some where and I just wanted to make sure
by sd3 on Jun 4, 2011 4:27 AM PDT up reply actions
regular, honey nut, or yogurt blast?
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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 4, 2011 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions
You watched the playoffs last year, didn’t you? The Suns and their run to the Western Conference Finals? The raving about their defense? That was caused by Robin Lopez and his ability to defend the post and rebound the ball.
So tell me, you know more than me: How many players are capable of doing that? If there are many, why can’t we get one off FA or something? Evidence suggests, there are in fact few defensive centers in the league.
I never compared Lopez to Russell, ever. I just said that Lopez does what he does at a very high level. Gortat happened to play at a much higher level, but no one knew that. If they rolled the dice, we could be where Phoenix is right now in terms of their C position.
The Suns need a SF, They feel like they don’t need two good centers. And so that trade is actually pretty good if you stop holding your breath expecting Michael Jordan to come from Iguodala.
For all of the “greatness”, that is Andre Iguodala. We finished under .500 in two of the playoff years and we just barely got to 41-41 last year.
That, Derek Bodner you might be surprised is known as average! A V E R A G E.
Are we a young team? Actually, no. How many of these young players do you expect to translate? Holiday, Turner(that’s a given). Meeks, Young and then who else? Seriously, who else? Fatso(Hawes)? Chucker of the year(Lou Williams) ?
Oh I get it, Brackins or Speights will become our future starting power forward!
Rebuild this piece of crap and stop living in the fantasy world that one-dimensional players that can’t D and can’t even score all that well to begin with can actually win basketball games.
Iguodala is a 1.5, he’s barely two dimensional at that. We have no one Derek, but Jrue/Evan and Thad/Meeks as complementary pieces. That’s our core and we’re gonna need a lot more than that.
So Stefanski/Thorn and everyone else here: swallow your pride, just as we ain’t that good, neither is that joke of a wing man .
by LeQuan Glover on Jun 4, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest knock on Lopez is he’s injury prone and has only proved to be productive next to a scoring PF. However, he’s still pretty young (23) and has proved that he can have a big impact. Because he’s injury prone, I wouldn’t sign him to a big contract after he gives you a good year. Treat him like a role player and give him role player money, but not starter money. He’s a low risk, high reward type of player. The Suns don’t need to take that risk because we already have our guy in Gortat and he’s not injury prone.
Don't trade Dudley!
U never compared him to Russell, but u did say he was a “top-flight center,” which btw is a complete joke.
Nobody ever said anything about Iguodala being MJ, so don’t complain about people putting words in your mouth while u do the same back to them. In fact, nobody even complained about the proposed deal be9ng bad or not “pretty good,” all they pointed out was your idiocy. Iguodala as a 25 MPG player off the bench and Lopez a top-flight center just about sums that up. And then u sum it up by calling him a joke at the end. Brilliant.
Most of this has nothing to do with anything.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 5, 2011 4:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Lequan ...
Cmon man … you gotta be kidding. Top flight center? Remember kids, don’t drink and post.
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He’s not, that’s the amazing thing.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! This would be known as one of the worst trades in the history of the 76ers!
Still wouldn't be the worst
You are forgetting the Wilt Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Charles Barkley trades. Those sucked some serious nads.
by Naismithball on Jun 4, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If this were to happen I think I would have to punch a baby. I despise Hedo.
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by EREX21 on Jun 4, 2011 5:23 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And then punch Hedo. Does anyone think that he has anything left? No… although, I would like some cap space to at least have a chance of acquiring a legit big man.
by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 4, 2011 6:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The point isn't Hedo's having anything left...
…I don’t think anyone is saying he has anything to contribute as far as basketball goes. The entire purpose of the trade would be to have a contract that expires one year earlier than Iguodala’s does, which would be the year that Brand’s does. It’s a future salary dump, so we can be 2013’s version of the Nets…lots of cap space, but not enough parts in place to get anyone decent to sign. Except without the Mad Russian’s willingness to spend whatever it takes (to be fair, I imagine once the new CBA is in place, no one will be able to spend whatever it takes). I imagine the owners will eliminate the payroll minimum, as well.
If something like this happens, I imagine Wolves fans will be laughing at us in five years. But Comcast will be thrilled, because we’ll have the lowest payroll in the league, with five guys on rookie contracts (available for trades for your end-of-the-bench players!) and the rest of the roster being minimum wage D-League guys and Tony Battie clones playing out their strings. So everyone wins :D
That’s actually an interesting idea. Maybe Der Stern can “convince” one team to become a dumping ground for crappy contracts of useless players and fertilize better teams with their young talent. If he puts his dumping ground in a big enough market, he won’t even have to contract them, because there will be enough idiot fans who will still love them no matter how much they suck, even after going 2-80 (you have to admit that would be kind of awesome in a way). Then they can draft #1 every year, to keep the fans excited (because fans are basically idiots). Then in a year or two, that #1 pick can be traded to the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, or Heat for a poo-poo platter of “prospects” that didn’t pan out and below-average bench players.
We would need: 1) A big market (to avoid the risk of contraction) 2) A team with a medium-sized fan base (if the fan base is too big, the lost revenues would be painful) 3) A guy in charge with a close relationship with Stern (like, say, Rod Thorn!)…maybe a place like…Philadelphia :D
And you know all of us idiot fans would still be here arguing about them…
jeeez
you paint a very bleak picture
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
Painting bleak pictures is what I do for a living. Sometimes it carries over into my Sixers fandom.
Obviously, the part about Stern using the Sixers as a toxic waste dump for contenders is meant to be tongue-in-cheek. What I seriously believe he’s after is exactly the opposite. He wants, I believe, the parity that the NFL has, where anyone can contend in any given year, but there are a few teams that are always at the top (the Steelers, the Patriots, etc.). In his case, he wants everyone to have a chance to make the playoffs, thereby keeping those teams’ fan bases engaged and spending, while the iconic teams that have national audiences and are interesting to casual fans (Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, plus the Heat as currently constructed) are always there at the end. He’s a businessman. He wants to maximize his revenue stream. Do I believe he’s capable of a certain amount of subtle manipulation to get the results he wants? Yes. Do I have any real proof of anything? Of course not.
I am legitimately concerned about a 2010-11 Nets situation, though. I can very well see Thorn & Co. doing the madd salary-clearing thing, cleaning the shelves for 2013, when Brand’s contract runs out. And to an extent, that’s a very wise thing to do. The key here is, “to an extent.” As the Nets proved this year, the most desirable free agents are looking for not only the team that will give them the most money, but the team that puts them into the best situation to win. Superstars love winning as much as they love money. What I do not want to have happen is to clear out every possible asset for the sake of cap space, where there is no infrastructure with which to surround a potential top free agent. If we do not have a solid core in place already, no superstar will want to play here even for a max deal.
My entire point is, I am against any Iguodala trade that does not return actual value that can be used to build up a core infrastructure to be put in place, such infrastructure to attract potential free agents when the time comes.
This team has a funny roster. There really aren’t a whole lot of players worth a lot in trade value. We really only have one guy who has the league-wide respect to bring back what we need in a trade to put something together that would make a Dwight Howard consider playing here. Dumping him for nothing except 2013 cap relief (and not really all that much, if you consider Hedo’s partial guarantee in 2013) isn’t going to get it done.
That’s not bleak. That’s realistic.
Ugh
words cannot describe what I would do if this trade were to happen. Sixers gotta be able to get something better than this. If this makes “basketball sense” to them then I am nervous for the future of the team.
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I would quite honestly cry myself to sleep for weeks
Hedo Turkoglu?
Hedo Turkoglu??
Hedo Turkoglu.
You got a few things wrong
1. Dwight Howard will be a FA in 2010 NOT 2013
2. Paul and Deron will also be FAs in 2012. We already have Jrue so giving up Igoudala for the chance to sign one of them does not make sense.
3. Hedo has a player option for 2013/14 that he will not decline
4. The 2008 FAs are RFAs
5. The other FAs are not better than Iguodala
6. This trade does not make “basketball sense” neither does it help us financially or the development of our younger players.
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Was this written in 2007 and somehow time warped into the present?
by The Crooked Man on Jun 4, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
If you have a chance at Paul or Williams you trade Jrue to make room. Maybe as part of a deal for a complimentary scorer or something. They can score 20+ ppg, which is the only thing that matters.
*few typos
Dwight Howard has a player option in 2012 and will most likely will not pick it up
The 2008 rookies will be RFAs, so signing them will be very difficult
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Did you watch last year? Jrue Holiday played at a very high level last year, at times inconsistent but mostly, at a very high level.
Listen: You want two-dimensional ball players, Jrue Holiday has the potential to be a two-dimensional ball player, Andre Iguodala is not. Jodie Meeks is a one-dimensional player.
That is, Iguodala only does one thing welll(defend) and the other “intangibles” are mostly due to his athleticism, he’s 29 coming off major injury. Iguodala’s value is significantly less then when he signed the contract several years ago.
Even disregarding the age and the injury, Iguodala has not improved since day one. Mediocre spot up shooter, awful period in half-court situations. We said this since he came out of Arizona.
The only thing you love is that he rebounds from the SF position. And how many games has that won us, exactly and I don’t mean “wins share”, I mean how many games can you think off your head, that Iguodala has won us with his “intangibles”
And if Iguodala was this great piece, why aren’t people coming up with better offers than Hedo Turkoglu?
And if Iguodala was this great piece, why aren’t people coming up with better offers than Hedo Turkoglu?
I want to believe much of how trade talks are going or stalling has a lot to do with the NBA CBA. However, not to the same degree as it is in the NFL where, by rule and law, nothing can occur. Rather, most organizations want to see how everything resolves itself before seriously thinking about making room for or taking on players’ contracts. Iguodala IS a good wing player and is a great piece for a lot of teams. However, until the off season gets underway and the CBA is dealt with, I doubt we’ll have an actual thought as to where he nor any player will end up.
This is just my opinion… which could be entirely wrong. lol
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Igoudala does average 6 assist and 14 points a game on 45% shooting, so I don’t understand why you call him “one dimensional”. He may not be Kobe Bryant but he does play well offensively. When it comes to defense, he is the best wing defender in the league. When LA, Memphis, NY or CHI plays us I am more worried about how we are going to defend Gasol, Randolph, Amare, or Boozer than I am out about defending Kobe, Gay, Melo or Rose. That’s not a luxury most teams have.
A team that would want to trade for Iguodala is a team that is a championship contender. These championship contenders do not have any assets that could bring in Igoudala. If Orlando wanted Iggy what could they offer instead of Howard? That’s why you hear rumors about Sixers getting offers of expiring contracts.
I never hear rumors about teams wanting to get rid of Granger, Deng, or Kevin Marin-guys who are not better than Iggy but get paid around the same. I don’t understand why people think that Sixers should let Iggy go or take ineffective players in return for him.
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He will only be 30 when his contract is over, so it’s not like he is some declining 32 year old (KG, Allen) that teams are trying to value out of before they become pedestrian.
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He’ll still be in his prime when his contract expires.
Lequan is hilarious.
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by jefu on Jun 4, 2011 5:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tip of the day
When LeQuan posts a comment, read the first sentence or thought then the last one and see how much they either contradict each other or don’t relate at all. Here’s one:
First…
Jrue Holiday played at a very high level last year, at times inconsistent but mostly, at a very high level.
Last…
And if Iguodala was this great piece, why aren’t people coming up with better offers than Hedo Turkoglu?
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This is as insulting a rumor as can be imagined, an over the hill, lame-brained player for Iguodala. The Sixers front office would probably say something unprintable in response. Lots of teams would like Andre on their team, but you can’t tell anything about that because of the Players agreement and the anticipated cap decline.
Most important, is that it isn’t what every GM in the league thinks, but what one of them is willing to give up to get Andre. In any negotiation, what you want is to have leverage and the Sixers have that here, as they don’t have to trade Andre. No player is untouchable on a team like the Sixers, but that doesn’t mean they’re running a fire sale. They won a game against Miami, as good as Boston and Chicago were able to do. If the Sixers could add Nowitzky to their current roster, they would be in the finals themselves. In fact, the Mavericks are the best team in the NBA, and will win the Championship by out- executing Miami. Miami can only score on the run, against a solid team like Dallas, once they are set up in their half-court defense, Miami can’t generate enough points. The only way Miami can win is by forcing turnovers. Sound familiar? The Sixers were the same way.
The Sixers are close enough that they’re decisions will have a huge impact on the future, in most scenarios, they are better off keeping Iguodala because he is so flexible and multi-dimensional, able to run the offense, or initiate his own shot or dominate on the defensive end. A much better player than Hedo.
Seriously ...
There are only two explanations for this rumor. Either Jarrod Rudolph is an alias for Billy King - or he is an Orlando Magic fan. In fairness to Billy King even he never pulled anything that ridiculous. Jordan are things really so slow that this warrants a main thread on LibertyBallers? I love this site, but not because of content like this.
If this deal happened, Doug Collins would quit and I would finally give up completely on the Sixers.
Billy King wasn’t so much noted for boneheaded trades as he was for ridiculous contract extensions of mediocre players (Kenny Thomas, Sammy, etc.).
If Billy were still in charge, he would be signing the Donger to a 5-year, $60M extension because we need that veteran leadership.
I never understood that Jamal Mashburn trade. He traded Glenn Robinson’s expring contract for Rodney Buford and Jamal Mashburn who had 2 years left on his deal. Billy King said that he Mashburn would most likely not play for the Sixers and they didn’t even assign him a jersey number. I am still scratching my head over that trade. Did we really make that trade to get Rodney Buford’s veteran presence on this team?
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blazer fan here
what would you say to a iggy for marcus camby (expiring contract) Nicolas Batum and Rudy Fernandez
and here is a clip for Jimmy Kimble NBA Finals show featuring Iggy and Even Turner
FIRE BUCHANAN!!
bunch of homophobes.
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
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No ET and Iggy on Jimmy Kimmel
Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?
She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...
OT - Did you see Andre and ET on Jimmy Kimmel last night?
They were actually pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGSGADS5Sa0&feature=player_embedded
warriors fan here
i am a warriors fan, but i would feel bad for u guys if this trade went down. terrible, terrible trade
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