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Dust Settles: Semi-Rational Thoughts on The Sixers Draft

The Sixers came into the 2011 NBA Draft with a plan and they executed it to perfection. It was to get the top guy on their draft board for where they were picking. And for whatever reason, Nikola Vucevic was that guy. Doug Collins, Rod Thorn and Ed Stefanski thought rebounding was such a weakness (it is) that they'd pass up a higher-level prospect like Chris Singleton in favor of Vucevic at the 16th pick.

I certainly don't agree with their player evaluating crew on this one because Vucevic, from what I've seen and read and heard, won't become anything more than a decent rotation player on a good team. Like Spencer Hawes, Thaddeus Young, and any number of mediocre guys on this roster, he should not be contributing major minutes if the team is intent on competing for a championship. That the front office was even considering trading up to pick him is an egregious miscalculation and it's lucky they didn't find a deal in time to move up, because he'd have been available as low as the end of the first round.

We've become accustomed to draft night disappointment and this night, in my opinion, was especially disheartening.

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Perhaps we came into the draft with high expectations. The Andre Iguodala rumors were running rampant all the way up until draft time but still nothing solid materialized for the oft-maligned wingman. The enticement of the #2 pick had my blood boiling over and I was salivating over Twitter waiting for one of the "in the know" journalists to tell me what I wanted to hear. But it didn't happen.

And while teams were moving and shaking to get the guy they wanted or shed some salary or pick up a few later picks, the Sixers stood pat. Just like at the trade deadline, they stood there, both feet in concrete, content to let things happen around them without stirring the pot at all themselves. I'm sure they did their due diligence and checked on a few possible trade scenarios but it's that unwillingness to take a risk, to steer away from their previous certainties that haunted them tonight just as it has in the past.

They loved Vucevic. Great. I don't, but whatever, I can see how he can be useful to a basketball team. The point is, the market for him was not screaming for a mid-first round pick. If they want him to be their guy, trade down to 23 or so, and pick up another second rounder or a future pick. Simple moves, sure, but ones that come back to help you in the future so you don't just have those two picks when you can take your head out of the sand before you collapse back in.

Just like last year with Hassan Whiteside, there was lottery talent dropping into the second round and the Sixers didn't make any attempt to butt in there. Josh Selby may not turn out to be anything, but he'd certainly be worth the cash considerations it would have taken to get him. Instead, they sat on the pick, watched as Keith Benson, Travis Leslie, and Selby go just before they selected one of the lowest-upside selections in the entire draft: Lavoy Allen.

Another guy that could have been had later (read: undrafted), but instead the Sixers didn't correctly gauge his value and missed a chance to pick up a high-upside flyer in the 2nd round like Jereme Richmond or Greg Smith. Sure these guys are still available as Undrafted, but they'll be competing with 29 other teams calling around for camp invites and it's unlikely they'll get any of their top choices to come.

Is this draft the worst thing of all time? No, and anyone telling you it is will be speaking in hyperbole out of their own frustrations so let them rant. But it is another instance (drop in the bucket, really) where the Sixers fail to make the smart moves to squeeze every ounce of potential out of a situation and continue to settle for mediocrity. Vucevic may start at center this season, if there is one. But that won't negate the fact that there were better players here for the taking and the Sixers passed them up because they are married to making the wrong decisions.

You want a draft grade? I give the Sixers a C-. I'm glad they got big men because it is certainly a need but they simply picked the wrong guys. Their decision-making is inspiring in its lack of inspiration. I know Doug Collins has a bigger basketball mind than I and Stefanski and Thorn are probably smarter people than we are as well, but that doesn't mean they made the right call. And their track record certainly doesn't force us to give them the benefit of the doubt. When they've earned it, we can trust them to make the smart moves, but until then, we're a blog and a community, so we're going to talk about how much we do or don't like something. Simply saying "they're smarter than you, shut up" isn't stirring good conversation. If you don't want to talk about something (positives and negatives), don't come here in the first place.

For my sky-is-falling mourners, take solace in the fact that there probably won't be a season next year, because this team is going to be severely confused once camp rolls around. As of now, I'd guess both Andre Iguodala and Thaddeus Young are returning. It seems impossible, but that's just how this front office rolls. I guess nobody wants to win championships anymore. This Vucevic move screams "one piece away" and it's so far from the truth, it hurts. Even on the perennially optimistic draft night, it hurts.

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I want new owners… Im sick of this strive for mediocrity approach, I want someone who will make moves and take risks.

but alas, we will probably just overpay Thad and sign some fossil to take minutes away from our young players.

by Tron79 on Jun 24, 2011 6:16 AM PDT reply actions  

dwight howard might not be out of the question next year

maybe after the sixers workout the there rotation for next year to improve threw the season then we will see if they free up to make a impact to get a impact player

by jarrett d on Jun 24, 2011 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

I would say it pretty much is out of the question, unless the Sixers can make some major moves to free up space and convince him to come here (the harder part).

by JoshuaR on Jun 24, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if the Sixers clear the space to afford him, why would he come here?

What have the Sixers done that indicates they are team ready to compete for a title? Jrue is here certainly, but unless Turner has a monster year, what else is there to convince Howard? I can’t imagine a scenario where Iguodala is still here and there is cap space for Howard, so I just don’t see how Philly is an attractive option for Howard.

by NOLACuse on Jun 24, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you think Dwight is even a remote possibility why do you draft a center?

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by yosoysean on Jun 25, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

If rebounding was such a concern for them they should have drafted

Kenneth Faried. Everyone was drooling over his rebounding skills and he was available at 22. Realistically they could have traded down to 21-22 and still gotten both of these guys later the draft. Oh well lets see how it pans out now

by samvescovi on Jun 24, 2011 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I think I’m happier with Vucevic than I would have been with Faried. The idea of Brand at center for another season is nauseating.

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by Michael Levin on Jun 24, 2011 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’ve softened my stance on the guy. All I’ve read about the guy just gives me the thought he’s going to be another Hawes. But whatever. Could be worse? We could have drafted another BOSS.

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by soman319 on Jun 24, 2011 7:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Yea I kind of feel the same way. At least we got another big we can throw out there….At least we addressed some need with our pick, unlike the Knicks, what a horrible pick that was for them lol

by jrb5094 on Jun 24, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly though, in a draft this bad, is need what you want to be drafting for? When every player left is probably a rotation guy at best, why not take a flier on someone?

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by JasonB on Jun 24, 2011 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure you have a point I mean we could of went with a player with more upside but drafting for need isn’t so bad either. We really need help with our frontcourt and if we can get a decent role player here that can help Elton and Spence out then fine, I’m alright with it.

by jrb5094 on Jun 24, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think I'm with Jason.

Maybe because I’m such an Eagles fan I don’t like standing pat in the draft and just taking a player based on need. Especially when that player isn’t likely to be all that good. I’m also of the opinion that the Sixers are in no position to be drafting strictly for need since that implies they are close to putting it altogether. This team should be blown up more than it should be incrementally added to IMO.

by NOLACuse on Jun 24, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The pick is just really “meh” to me. I don’t think anyone who slipped past us is going to be an all-star or anything. I don’t like Vucevic really at all. It’s going to be tough watching him and Hawes suck it up together next year but I guess all I’m saying is the pick kind of makes sense I guess

by jrb5094 on Jun 24, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the fact that it makes sense is what annoys me.

It makes “basketball sense” as they say, but I don’t think this brings us any closer to being an Eastern Conference contender. I honestly would not mind seeing this team trade away Iguodala, go much younger for next year, regress a bit, get into the lottery for a stacked draft and then position themselves for a big 2013 free agency. I firmly believe the makeup of this team as it stands cannot reach title contention by taking baby steps forward. This seems like a status quo/ baby step kind of draft night.

by NOLACuse on Jun 24, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think any other guy we could of taken at that point brings us closer to a Eastern Conference contender. I do completely agree with your idea of trading Iguodala and going younger and ultimately build through the draft and clear space. God knows when that’s actually going to happen…

by jrb5094 on Jun 24, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea, I was more referring to the Iguodala, draft building stuff.

I think I’m disappointed nothing of that sort happened. I probably would have been annoyed no matter who we picked as a result, but because I feel Vucevic was picked mostly for being big and not for being particularly good at anything I’m especially annoyed.

by NOLACuse on Jun 24, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

That was the most dazzling pick of the evening.

by 92-74-99-96 on Jun 24, 2011 8:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not a Sixers fan, but Vucevic was a good pick

He was the fastest riser at draft day, Houston supposedly really liked him and I think if the Knicks had a shot at him he had a high possibility of going there the next pick.

by J-Nasty on Jun 24, 2011 7:13 AM PDT reply actions  

they wanted him

but nobody could have predicted kemba going 9th, leaving morris there for the grab. and really, morris was obviously the better pick.

by pqrk on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know who else were fats movers on draft days? Jonny Flynn, Gordon Hayward. Jordan Hill, Joe Alexander, and numerous other players.

Moving up on draft day is usually a bad thing. Teams have an entire college season on most of these players to scout. If they are seen as a late 1st, early 2nd going into the draft process it usually means that they didn’t impress people during their college careers. They move up because of a string of good games in March, showing impressive athleticism in workouts, of in Vucevic’s case measurements at the combine causing people to forget that this is the same player that they have 3 seasons worth of tape on.

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by yosoysean on Jun 25, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Do you guys think they were talking to GS for ellis and the 11th pick because they wanted someone else, possibly Biyombo? And when he went off the board, the deal fell through. Just seemed they reopened trade talks to move up for a specific player.

by Nature on Jun 24, 2011 7:15 AM PDT reply actions  

If they want him to be their guy, trade down to 23 or so, and pick up another second rounder or a future pick.

A thousand times this.

by JoshuaR on Jun 24, 2011 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it’s pretty likely that we’ve seen our last draft from the Thorn/Stefanski combo anyway. Jason Levien will be running the team next year, which may or may not be a good thing.

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by JasonB on Jun 24, 2011 7:33 AM PDT reply actions  

it probably couldn’t get any worse.

by Mbenzii on Jun 24, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d say any change at this point is a good thing.

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by Michael Levin on Jun 24, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah and I don’t know what kind of a talent evaluator Levien is, but I guarantee he’s a better dealmaker/negotiator than Thornski… and that’s important.

I also don’t believe he’ll ever use the phrase “basketball sense,” so that’s a plus for him already.

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by JasonB on Jun 24, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

The sooner the better.

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by EREX21 on Jun 24, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Sefankski gone not so sure about Thorn

by The Legend on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trade down and get Vucevic? Highly doubt he slips past the knicks, let alone 5 or 6 more teams. He was becoming a possibly late lottery pick, he wasn’t going to last until the end of the first round. If this was their guy, trading down was not an option. Everyone needs to relax. The chances of the Sixers getting someone who is a piece to a championship team was very slim to none. The changes to this team were, and still will be, through a trade, if at all, or whether or not we re-sign Thad. We have a very nice young core, and have the potential to be a top 5 team in the East. That’s progress. The draft was going to be a non-factor for us anyway, so there’s little point in being disappointed.

by mikesmd77 on Jun 24, 2011 7:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly. Its like people forget that most evaluators said that this Draft is basically just role players. The Sixers drafted a role player at a position of need, easy pick

by MojoPharoah on Jun 24, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taking a flier

So if we wouldve drafted anyone else it woulda been taking a flier but drafting vucevic isn’t? Where do you guys get this bs from. All I heard before the draft is “we better draft a big man” and then when do and all hell breaks loose. I mean let the guy step on the court before u start calling for his head.

by B-DON on Jun 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

thank you

i’m loving the support posts. he’s the tallest guy there! one of the biggest players available, and when was the last time anyone saw tim duncan jump out of the gym to block a shot? below the rim defense is all the rage, just ask marc gasol and timmy.

by pqrk on Jun 24, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tim Duncan blocked 3.76 shots per game in college. Vucevic’s best season was 1.4 bpg. You might want to pick a better comparison.

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by yosoysean on Jun 25, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

All I heard before the draft is "we better draft a big man"

Obviously you haven’t been reading this blog leading up to the draft. Maybe the sentiment from Kate Fagan and other blogs was that they better draft a big man. Around here we just wanted a piece that can be a part of the Holiday/Turner core. Drafting a low ceiling player at a position of immediate need is the last thing most of us around here wanted. And that’s what happened. And now we’re angry.

"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover

by yosoysean on Jun 25, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Early on, I like Vucevic and Singleton out of the options likely to be there at 16.

But the more I looked into it, I think the Sixers could have done better.

I think we had a chance to extract more value from this draft for our future. Marshon Brooks went 25. Faried went 22. Neither of them look like future all stars to me. But they both look like they can help win games.

I would have felt best if we traded down either Vucevic or the pick and grabbed Brooks plus extra value.

by wannabgm on Jun 25, 2011 10:51 AM PDT reply actions  

So just what did everyone want? Seriously!

If we were to have traded Iguodala and moved up, which team do you suppose would have taken him, and then who would we have drafted? Would we have had to include the number 16 pick in the deal?

Players I would have been interested in were, Derrick Williams at #2, Enes Kanter at #3,
and Tristan Thompson and #4. I just don’t see proper value in dealing Iguodala for a player that only plays on one side of the court like Bismack Biyombo.

And once we’ve traded Iguodala and our 16th pick that leaves a whole at small forward to fill in. IF we had traded Iguodala for one of the three players I mentioned, then sure we should have tried to acquire a second, first round pick for a player such as Chris Singleton.

Stefanski said they had tried moving up, but the cost was to high. I have no idea what the cost was, but it is entirely possible every team we spoke to asked for Holiday and Turner to be included. And/Or we might have been asked to take back a sizeable contract that had a few more years to run yet.

Look at the draft board, every player we could have potentially targeted went in the top seven picks. After that, there was no player worth trying to trade up for.

So the front office can’t make a trade they like, so they stand pat. And do the logical thing, pick a player that fills a need on the team as it’s currently structured.

I do like Chris Singleton, but would of been jacked off had we chosen him. All that would have done is create a log jam at the 3 and 4 spot, and still left the team with a gaping whole in the middle.

If we had chosen Kenneth Faried, I would have been pissed off as I DO NOT LIKE HIM. Just becuase other people here jizz themselves over an undersized rebounder doesn’t mean everyone else (and the front office) should.

I don’t mind if people do not like the Nikola Vucevic pick. But it doesn’t deserve some of the vitriol that’s been flying around. No one here knows what the team tried doing on draft day, just because we didn’t move in to the top 5 doesn’t mean we didn’t try. I know if I was one of the teams in the top 5 slots Iguodala wouldn’t have appealed that much to me.

My final thought for the day. It’s possible that the only thing that seperates Bismack Biyombo from Hassan Whiteside is work ethic. That’s a draft differential of 24 places.

by briztoon on Jun 25, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions  

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