2011 NBA Draft: Grading The Sixers Selection of Nikola Vucevic
Despite how disappointed I was with the Sixers selection of Nikola Vucevic with the sixteenth overall pick, I've tried to take a step back, now that the dust has settled, and properly evaluate the selection of Air Nicky, without completely bashing him.
Bottom line is, I don't think Nikola is a terrible prospect. In fact, I think he's an incredibly mediocre prospect. I simply don't think he was the correct pick at 16, whether the strategy was best player available, or player with the most potential. If the Sixers' strategy was strictly based on short-term need, then sure, Nikola fills a significant short-term need on a team lacking any reliable big men, but I have a hard time believing he's the long-term answer at center. So, for a team as far away from truly contending as the Sixers are, I didn't feel drafting for need was a smart strategy.
I would've much rather seen them select either A) The best player available (Chris Singleton), or the player with the most potential (Either Donatas Motiejunas, Tobias Harris, or Nikola Mirotic).
But what's done is done, and it's time to move forward with our shiny new, Ronnie-from-Jersey-Shore-Look-A-Like, sweet-instrument-playing center. Make the jump for an attempt at un-biased analysis and fact.
(STRENGTHS)
Improvement/Work Ethic
Let's start with the improvement Vucevic has shown during his three years at USC. Below is a table comparing a few key advanced stats of Vucevic's during his three-year college career. The fourth and fifth columns are thrown in just for fun – Spencer Hawes' advanced stats for his last year in college, and his last year with the Sixers.
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Freshman (2008) |
Sophomore (2009) |
Junior (2010) |
Hawes (College 2006) |
Hawes (Pro 2010) |
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| Minutes | 11.0 | 32.3 | 34.9 | 28.9 | 21.2 |
| ORtg | 110.0 | 107.3 | 115.7 | 109.3 | 97.0 |
| FTR | 17.7 | 34.0 | 38.2 | 26.9 | 15.0 |
| TS% | 60.4% | 55.2% | 57.8% | 56.2% | 48.1% |
| OREB% | 11.1% | 12.1% | 9.8% | 8.1% | 8.7% |
| DREB% | 17.8% | 23.1% | 25.5% | 18.1% | 22.5% |
| AST/TO | 0.5 | 0.6 | 0.9 | 0.8 | 1.25 |
| BLK% | 3.9% | 4.5% | 4.3% | 6.3% | 3.1% |
| TO% | 25.4% | 18.8% | 12.0% | 20.0% | 13.8% |
| FOULS | 1.48 | 2.73 | 2.82 | 2.26 | 2.50 |
You always like to see consistent improvement from young players because it usually indicates hard work. Although Vucevic became bigger and stronger during his three-year career in Southern California, he also showed significant improvement in almost every area of basketball.
His freshman year is kind of a throw-away, because he only played 11 minutes per game, but if you look at the difference between his sophomore and junior years you'll see legitimate improvement. His Offensive Rating was +8.4. His Free Throw Rate improved. His True Shooting Percentage improved by 2.6%. His Defensive Rebounding Percentage increased. His assist-to-turnover ratio improved. And he cut his turnovers down significantly.
(Also, just for spits and giggles, Vucevic ranked ahead of Washington Huskie Spencer Hawes in nearly every advanced stat. Keep in mind, Hawes was only a freshman.)
It's not just the numbers that have seen improvement. Draft Express mentions his actual, visible improvement numerous times throughout his prospect profile (emphasis is mine):
One of the most improved players on the west coast this season, Nikola Vucevic has seen his stock rise considerably over his three year career at USC.
A player we profiled extensively just three months ago, Nikola Vucevic actually managed to slightly increase his production and efficiency numbers in conference play, continuing to play excellent basketball all season long.
Looking at Vucevic's on-court performance this season, he's shown an outstanding learning curve and has made a lot of adjustments to his game that benefit his prospects as a potential NBA role player.
... It's a good sign that he's still trying to expand his game, and at just 20 years old with his overall feel, there's a good chance there's more improvement to come here.
Size
You can't teach size and Vucevic is a massive piece of man. His standing reach of 9'4.5" was good for the second tallest in this year's draft class; it's is also taller than Greg Oden, Dwight Howard and Bismack Biyombo's. He weighs in at a solid 260, with surprisingly only 6% body fat. Although he doesn't look it, that means he's chiseled. His 7'4.5" is also one of the largest in his class.
Jump Shot
From Draft Express:
[Vucevic] ranked in the top-5 in our sample in jump shooting efficiency.
Vucevic is spending a lot of time here working on his jump shot, which looked terrific in the session we watched. At one point, Vucevic knocked down 11 straight college-three pointers, showing terrific mechanics in the process. Considering he made a solid 39% of his catch and shoot jumpers last season according to Synergy Sports Technology, Vucevic is already a solid shooter, but is still looking to improve his consistency even more.
While his spot shooting ability is still in its early stages of development, he's already an extremely dangerous shooter from the mid-range in spot-up and pick-and-pop situations, while his three-point attempts and percentages both gradually increased as the season went on.
Post Game
Again, from Draft Express:
The USC product is working hard on his post-game, and has a number of quality moves over both shoulders. Showing promising footwork, Vucevic is one of the more versatile and polished offensive big men in this draft.
From our own Derek Bodner:
In the post, Vucevic has good footwork and touch, showing the ability to go over both shoulders. His footwork is one of the more advanced and most diverse in the draft, and he shows a willingness to go down and play in the post, with an increasing ability to pass from this spot.
Defensive Rebounding
Vucevic ranked 25th in the nation last season with a Defensive Rebound Percentage of 25.5%. Draft Express adds "[he shows' a good nose for the ball and [uses] his length and size well". How a player rebounds in college is usually a good indicator of how he'll rebound in the pros.
(WEAKNESSES)
Athleticism
Check out this post from earlier. He is really, really unathletic. In case you're too lazy to click the link, this is all you need to know:
- Vucevic measured with half the body fat of Spencer Hawes at the combine. His vertical was still 4 inches shorter.
- Only 14 players benched less than Vucevic at the combine. Only one of those players was over 6'8".
- Of players drafted in the top 30 over the previous 11 years, only 1 had a worse vertical than Nikola Vucevic. His name was Pavel Podkolzine. Pavel Podkolzine was 7'5", 303 pounds.
Defense
From Derek Bodner:
His lower body is still not the strongest, and as such will struggle at times defending post scorers in the NBA. The bigger concern on the defensive end is defending the perimeter, as he has average (at best) foot speed.
From Draft Express:
On the defensive end, Vucevic shows a solid fundamental base in the post, though he's prone to being both backed down and beaten laterally by stronger and quicker opponents. He does a good job compensating for this with his length, contesting shots and showing good timing with his shot block attempts, but he's still mostly overmatched against NBA caliber athletes. On the perimeter, he likewise shows decent fundamentals, but his lateral quickness is severely lacking here, being beat off the dribble often and being forced to foul from behind. This is the area of his game that could hold him back the most as an NBA prospect.
Ceiling
There's virtually zero chance Nikola Vucevic ever turns out to be an All-Star caliber player, or come even remotely close. Draft Express has his ceiling as Mehmet Okur. Mehmet was a really nice NBA player in his prime – and I know he made an All-Star team – but if he's your absolute best case scenario, that's a relatively low ceiling. Then again, what more do you expect with the sixteenth overall pick?
Video
Here's the best highlight video I've seen of Vucevic.
And here's a video/interview of one of his workouts via Draft Express.
Summary
I probably went a little overboard driving the "F This Pick!" bandwagon on Twitter. My rationale being, I really wanted to come out of this draft with either the best player available, a prospect with a high ceiling, or a significant defensive improvement at center. Some guys like Bismack Biyombo fit all three categories. Vucevic fits none. I don't believe he was the best player on the board; we've established his ceiling is average-to-low, and he's not a significant defensive improvement over Spencer Hawes, if at all.
Before I get into my final thoughts, I want to address the Spencer Hawes comparison a bit. Both players are big, unathletic, white, and poor defenders. There are only two differences between Vucevic and Hawes, in my opinion, both in which Vucevic has a slight edge. Number one, Vucevic is a better offensive player. I don't think he's necessarily more talented than Hawes, which brings me to number two: Vucevic seems to get more out of his tools, and work harder at his craft.
Hawes overall offensive game, including his "advanced" post moves was also highly-touted coming out of high school and following his one year at Washington University, which is part of the reason he was selected tenth overall in a pretty decent 2007 draft. However; unlike Vucevic people have questioned Hawes character and work ethic in the past, and you have to wonder if that's the reason he's never really shown any significant improvement during his four years in the NBA. As previously mentioned, Vucevic has shown significant improvement over the previous three seasons because of hard work – a good sign that he may continue to work on his game and improve at the NBA level.
Nikola was the most mediocre/boring/ehh possibilities, and in true post-Iverson Sixers fashion, sure enough they took him. With that said, I think the Sixers come out of the draft with an improvement over Spencer Hawes. (They're equally poor defenders, and serviceable rebounders, but Nikola should be an improvement on the offensive end. Hawes is also an unrestriced free agent after next year, assuming no one signs him to an offer sheet this off-season.)
Vucevic probably tops out as a 7th or 8th man on a championship caliber team, should the Sixers ever reach that point. You can't ask for too much more with the 16th pick, especially in a draft perceived as weak as this year's. Although there were still quite a few names (5-10) on the board I would have rather had than Vucevic.
Who knows, maybe Vucevic shocks me and proves to be a steal at 16, but I doubt it.
Pick Grade: C/C-
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He can score, and handle the ball well, but what does that mean if he literally refuses to rebound? He’s struggling to board in Europe, what do you think would happen in the NBA? That is a really big if, especially since rebounding is a major problem for the team anyway. I’d be willing to consider the idea if they had a Dalembert-type 30% DREB playing next to him, maybe, but all things considered, I’d rather have Vucevic
Really? Chris Singleton?
I understand the Sixers aren’t going to win the NBA title this year, but there comes a point when drafting 6’6"-6’8" forwards year after year becomes totally pointless. Chris Singleton is exactly the same type of player as Elton Brand and Thad Young: a bit too big and slow to play SF and too small to play PF. For the short-term, we have Brand, and assuming we retain him, we have Thad for the long- term. Thad is only 23 years old and I REALLY hope the Sixers plan on being a title contender before he retires. The future is hopefully coming a lot sooner rather than later, and I think it’s good for the Sixers to take a shot at picking a legit center. They need a big man, so I don’t have any problem with a need pick. I’m optimistic they can contend within a few years. We have enough tweener forwards. What would be the point of having Chris Singleton AND Thad Young on the same team for years to come?
i have to agree
i was really impressed by singleton’s ‘strengths and weaknesses’ video over at draftexpress. i got taken with the idea of having a perimeter stopper, but then i realized that no matter how good he is defensively, he’s still a guy who can’t shoot. i shouldn’t need to remind anyone here that we have iggy for that and the reason he needs to go isn’t just the contract, its his fundamental place on the team with the backcourt and wings that we have.
just a little food for thought: if thabo sefolosha had been able to be a 3 pt threat during the WCF, there might have been a very different end to the past season. frankly i want my players to be able to impact more than one side of the floor. so although i liked singleton, i can live with a c who might actually open up the painted area for our guards to attack as the 16th pick in what might very well be a historically bad draft.
Because Chris Singleton is right now one of the best wing defenders in the league. And he can cover 4’s. Not similar to Thad or Brand.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 24, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
what would you have done with thad?
keep him a 6th man, get him off the roster?
i like wing defenders, its hard to argue with what he does, but where does he fit when you move to the other end of the floor? just as a matter of curiosity btw
Let Thad walk.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 24, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Or alternatively, a lot of minutes open up at the 3 if Iguodala is traded.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
RE: Vucevic's athleticism issues
With his tremendous length and frame, stats like Vertical leap are not nearly as important as actual reach. His 9’4" reach puts him in the upper echelon of draftees, which could mean that he could play a Tim Duncan style post defense, mostly predicated on smart anticipatory positioning and then challenging the shot w/o fouling by standing straight up, using that reach to make the play more difficult.
As far as his measurables, he is not an athletic freak, but he is adequate, even solid. Also, Vucevic posted the same time in the agility drill as LaMarcus Aldridge while beating him in the Sprint drill and coming close in the No Step Vert. His combine stats in areas like the agility drill, the 3/4 sprint drill or the No Step Vert Reach are either similar to or even surpass players like Greg Monroe, Bogut, Diop, Kaman or Al Horford during their draft years. His Vert Reach stats are similar to Ronny Turiaf.
So, given the weakness of the draft, I’ll take this pick, especially over yet another wing(like Singleton, who only plays if Dala is traded, which is looking less likely) or Donatas(a big man whose allergic to rebounding, no matter his “higher ceiling”).
LaMarcus Aldridge. Marc Gasol. Roy Hibbert. etc.
There are plenty of guys who fit Vucevic’s size/athleticism profile who are successful NBA players. His lack of foot speed/leaping ability is obviously a weakness, but it doesn’t preclude him from becoming a productive NBA player, especially given that it appears he has a strong work ethic and loves to play the game.
He’s not going to be a superstar, but Mehmet Okur in his prime? That’s good enough to be a decent contributor on a championship caliber team (as it was with the 2004 Pistons).
Does this mean we can like Vucevuc now?
The comments on twitter from Sixers fans (and bloggers, and not just LB blogger!) were hilarious last night. It read like the comment section of a Gonzo article at Philly.com.
I don’t understand how a guy who ranked 19th on the Liberty Ballers big board, and was top 20 in 3 of the 4 people’s boards posted became the biggest tragedy to befall this team in a decade.
A lot of what we heard most of the time leading up to this draft was that there wasn’t much seperation between players 8 or 10 through 20. When it became clear that the Sixers weren’t gonna trade up, get Biyombo or whoever Vucevic became more than a reasonable pick at 16. Especially considering over and over we heard that we need an upgrade from Hawes, and as Jordan says in the above post, this is an upgrade. So we upgrade a position of need and everyone is still apocalyptic.
Would I have been upset with Hamilton? No. Do I think Vucevic is a better pick than Montiejunas? Yes. Do I think that the Sixers choosing Vucevic means they never really were taking that Kaman deal to seriously? Yes.
These are mostly good things people. It’s okay to admit the Sixers made a sound pick. You won’t lose any street cred points. Promise.
I don’t understand how a guy who ranked 19th on the Liberty Ballers big board, and was top 20 in 3 of the 4 people’s boards posted became the biggest tragedy to befall this team in a decade.
When he’s drafted over the player who was 7th on the same Big Board people are going to be upset.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Impact
you have to remember there are very few players in this draft that will make a substantial impact their first year. in alot of cases it will be yr 2-3. If they get a player better by then, then they do and we move on, but there wasnt a whole lot here to work with. Those couldve and should’ve went with this and that player could just as easily fail
This sucked.
The Sixers pick, in a vacuum isn’t terrible. But when you look at who else was on the board…yeah, it’s pretty bad. Lavoy Allen? Really?
To make matters worse…two of my favorite college players of all time, E’Twaun Moore and Ju Juan Johnson both went to the Celtics.
Damn you Sixers. Seems like it doesn’t matter who is in the FO, the only real requirement is that you be an idiot.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
Lavoy, though...
Yeah, I can’t really defend that.
What's wrong...
with Lavoy Allen? He defends and rebounds. I’m not saying I fully endorse or protest this pick, but what would’ve been a better pick at 50?
Apparently there were people still available with higher upside and Allen was projected to go undrafted. He could’ve gotten an invite to camp and the pick could’ve gone to someone else.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Dunigan, Richmond, Greg Smith, Holiday all would have been better. Lavoy would have been a lock to come in as a camp invite. Those four except maybe Holiday will go to better offers. Each of them have a much higher upside than Lavoy.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 24, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
why not
if they can can make this kid tough, which collins is capable of doing, he has a good mid range and in jumper and can board then why not i guess. but they have to work on his leaping ability or hes just going to be mediocre at best. unfortunately thats tough to teach at this point
Why does everyone think Collins can work some kind of magic? Was he able to make Speights and Hawes tough?
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover

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