Andre Iguodala to Minnesota Timberwolves for #2 Pick No Longer Fake
by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 6:57 PM PDT
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PrintThe proposed trade that has been nothing but a twinkle in our eye for weeks has finally been announced as a possibility. As I wrote here, Sam Amick has reported that the Sixers and Timberwolves are kicking the tires on a deal that would center around Andre Iguodala and the #2 overall pick. Of all the deals we've heard so far (all of these plus the most recent Iguodala for Lamar Odom and Ron Artest), this one could be the most appealing.
The Sixers have claimed that they're looking for a veteran to take Iguodala's spot on the team. Why? They're scared that if they don't get a big name or two back for him, fans will forget all those warm feelings they felt about the fleeting playoff "run" in May and abandon the team once again for the possibly non-existent 2011-12 season. The Odom/Artest deal may be better than the Monta Ellis and Hedo Turkoglu deals because Odom's contract expires after this season, but not as freeing as the Chris Kaman expiring or the Cavaliers and Timberwolves salary dumps.
Trading Iguodala for the #2 allows the Sixers to go with either Derrick Williams, Enes Kanter, or Jonas Valanciunas to add to the strong core of Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner. Then pick #16 rolls around and either Jordan Hamilton, Klay Thompson or Alec Burks would slide in there to form a pretty solid top 4 that can grow together. If they think Thaddeus Young can be a part of that future, you could be looking at a starting lineup of Jrue/Evan/Hamilton/Thad/Kanter once Elton Brand ships out. If not, they can go for a more traditional power forward in next year's insanely strong draft.
This is a deal we've been tossing around for weeks and now the words "definitely real" have been attached to it. Though Wesley Johnson hasn't yet been mentioned, he's one of a few guys (among Martell Webster, Jonny Flynn, or Anthony Randolph) the Sixers may take back in return. Wes is still the top choice because of how well he fits with Jrue and Evan, but he'd probably require them to send the 16 to Minnesota in return.
I'm just excited that this deal is getting tossed around. I don't hate the Lakers deal and I'm beginning to warm on the Kaman deal compared to others. Still, either the Minnesota or Cleveland deal would be better for the Sixers franchise moving forward. A few meaningless wins are nothing but that. Clearing space and getting younger should be the focus here. This may just be the fluff rumor Jordan predicted, but at least it's a good one.
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I want this as long as they don’t draft Williams (not high on him). Would love it if they got Kanter
Same.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure
why everyone thinks Kanter is amazing. He hasn’t really proven himself IMO; he’s played in what, two high school games? His workouts were awesome, sure, but so were Darko’s. He just seems too risky to me.
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by guitarmouse35 on Jun 22, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
I’d love to see them pick Kanter or valanciunas
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YEA WOO-HOO!!!! YOSOYSEAN WHERE YOU AT BOI?!?
I made a post about this a couple days ago ( WHO SHOULD REPLACE IGGY / A.I. ? ) check it out if you did’nt see it.
yo, I would be 1 of the happiest 76ers fans in the world if we get Wes Johnson and the #2 pick for iggy, O M muthafn G! IM SO HYPE!
my bad if i was not clear enough for you? CPAULIN & JAMES C
Let’s try this again : IGUODALA IS OVERRATED & OVERPAID! WES IS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER AND HAS MUCH MORE POTENTIAL THAN IGGY. (FACT)
oh god
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Smells like troll.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
by jefu on Jun 22, 2011 9:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
WHAT? u guys are smelling your own bulls#!t
Your comment’s appear to disagree but with what ? Is it that Iggy is overrated & overpaid? or that Wes Johnson will be a better pro than Iguodala?
Wes and the 2, that is too much of a stretch for me to get excited about. I’m already shocked that there is a chance we get the number two pick.
by paradigm19771 on Jun 22, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If Wes were included I would imagine we trade another player or #16.
No way we get both for just Iguodala.
I literally laughed out loud.
If I agreed with you, we’d both be wrong.
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Jun 22, 2011 9:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What don’t you like about Williams? I’m interested to hear an opposing side.
The Jruth.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 22, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Not much defense, don’t think he rebounds on D well enough to be a 4, don’t think he’ll be anything better than a 4th option on a good team offensively. Poor man’s Antawn Jamison. Could be wrong and I’m less sour on him than I was a few weeks ago, but I think I’d rather go Jonas or Kanter over him.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
so do you think there is even a remote chance, the Jazz or Sac try to break in and get the 2nd pick from us for Favors or Cousins? I wouldn’t mention Cousins, except he’s a head case, so I don’t know Sac’s thoughts. I know an additional step makes this too crazy…but the #2 is an asset to me. We don’t even have to keep it.
by paradigm19771 on Jun 22, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
DO IT!!!!!!
Then draft Biyombo and Hamilton. BOOM!! lol i feel like the kids in willy wonka. I just hope in the end, i don’t feel like im being sucked through a tube.
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clarification
It makes too much sense and would get the whole fanbase excited.. so therefore Thorn/Stefanski probably won’t pull it off lol
Kanter/Wes Johnson for Andre would be like winning the loterry!
Both players would be long-term fixtures for the team to finally build a championship level roster. I think we all will be doing backflips if this trade would ever take place. Wes would be a great addition, but I could also settle for a Jordan Hamilton as well.
So would we be expecting to trade both Iggy and our 1st, for the #2?
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.
If another player is involved maybe, but if not I think it would just be straight and we’d keep the 16.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What would be the better scenario? Giving up our pick for the extra player?
Jason Peters: Heart of a Lion, Face of a Chipmunk.
Eli Manning has the personality of a baked potato.
Depends on who the player is, I suppose.
But I’d like to think the better route is picking up the pick without having to give away our other one. The youth movement is underway!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
If the player is Wes Johnson, I think Iggy and #16 for #2 and Johnson is the better deal.
Otherwise I’d like to see Iggy for #2 straight up so that we could grab a scorer with #16.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think we’ll have to take back a semi bad contract to get the #2 for Iggy? I mean they have Wes, and need a good Center and a SG. Is Iggy the best help they can get for their #2?
by paradigm19771 on Jun 22, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a good idea
It’s going to be way easier to build through the draft than through free agency.
"I'm colonel cool! And I'm the captain on this rocket to the stars!"
Keep fingers crossed.
If this trade happens, and the Sixers get the #2 pick and draft Williams and luckily somehow get Biyombo at #16 pick, then I’m running down Broad street naked in celebration.
Wait
I thought the rumor was Iggy and #16 for #2. It would be awesome if it was just Iggy
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I'm super excited!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Wait, what was the Cleveland salary dump trade proposal? For their trade exception?
"There is no dark side in the moon, really. Matter of fact it's all dark."
Yeah. I doubt the #4 would be involved. It’d be a straight dump I think.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We have to take Williams or irving at 2
Head and shoulders above the rest of the pack. Would make no sense to trade up to 2 and let one of the best 2 players (at a position of need) sit to take an unknown like Kanter or biyambo.
76ers: #2 Derek Williams
#16 Nikola Vucevic
# 50 David lighty
Best pf, skilled 7 footer, and a lights out 3 point shooter. That would be an outstanding draft.
Peace
Lighty is a nice player but he’s hardly a lights out 3 point shooter.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Im curious
what do you think the odds r of this happening
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by Mr.electric10 on Jun 22, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
All rumors are probably 10%. But if you add them all up…..!!!!!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
sigh
I was hoping higher. But hey at least its a chance.
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by Mr.electric10 on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s all speculation, my electric brother.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
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by Mr.electric10 on Jun 22, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh idk
I’d rather go with Kanter or Valanciunas at the 2 and then try to fill the void left by Iggy possibly with Hamilton/Burks/Klay Thompson/Singleton with the 16th pick. I want no part of the athletically deprived 7 footer.
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Williams wants and is going to play the 3 because he has no idea in the post(Sixers would love that kind of player), so I wouldn’t mind it.
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by secondroundpick on Jun 22, 2011 8:02 PM PDT reply actions
Wouldn’t mind getting a guy like Randolf in return to. I’m savoring for this kid ever since he got shipped out of NY
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by secondroundpick on Jun 22, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh.
I just had the thought of no trade happening in the end. Buzz Killington to all the excitement. :(
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
same
while all of this is exciting, I would not be surprised at all to see the FO sit on their hands and do nothing. So I’m not getting my hopes up. Hopefully they surprise me.
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If Thorn manages to fleece David Kahn, I’ll be laughing. We’ll have to hand it to Thorn – he’d get Philly’s approval, which is difficult to do.
But like others are saying, there’s been a ton of noise with nothing actually happening. If we end up keeping Dre, I won’t be pissed, but the opportunity to have picks 2 and 16 would definitely help us in the long run. I’m not completely sold on Kanter; I think Biyombo, with all his defensive cockiness, could be a serious problem for opposing players. We could use a whirlybird in the paint. Seems to have better instincts than other guys, like say, Dalembert.
BTW secondroundpick – Mighty Mos FTW :-)
YES
Having the 2nd and 16th picks feels like the condensed and painless version of blowing up the team and building through the draft for a few years…Im into it
Kanter has NBA ready size, but he hasnt proved anything to be drafted that high when you have close to equal size in Vucevic…Id say go Williams. he’s explosive and does a good job getting to the foul line…tho sounds like he’ll have to move to the 3, and that jumper (though he hit a good percentage) looks pretty suspect.
God
Us Sixers fans don’t ask for much, the mere thought of drafting a big Euro who is a giant question mark is incredibly appealing right now. Please just do us this solid. Amen.
Not bad...
Rubio, Ridnour, Flynn
WJohnson, Ellington, Webster
Iguodala, Beasley
Love, Randolph
Darko, Tolliver
by andyreidswaistline on Jun 22, 2011 8:34 PM PDT reply actions
From Silver Screen and Roll
most said they’ll do an Odom, Artest for Iguodala and Speezy/ Lou
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by secondroundpick on Jun 22, 2011 8:44 PM PDT reply actions
BOSS is off-limits!!!! haha
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by guitarmouse35 on Jun 22, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmm
The problem with trading for the #2 pick is that the consensus top two players in this draft are Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams, a big, rangy, offensively balanced point guard and an athletic, high-scoring tweener forward who lacks the size and strength to play legit post D. With two of our best young players being Holiday and Young we don’t have a need for either of those skillsets either now or for the forseeable future.
I might still do it if they mean to pick Kanter, who I think is likely to be a legit starting center in the NBA for years to come, but I must be the only 76ers fan in existence who wants no part of Biyambo. After our experience with Slammin’ Sammy I’ve had my fill of long, super-athletic frontcourt physical specimens who have no touch, basketball instincts or offensive skills to speak of. Yes, rebounding and interior defense are needs on this team, but so is scoring – we can’t afford another offensive black hole in the starting line up, no matter how good he is.
The dream scenario would be make this deal, getting back Wes Johnson and the #2, then trading down a few spots with someone who wants to move up for whichever of Irving/Williams doesn’t go #1 and picking up Kanter or Valanciunas in the 3-6 range, plus a future first rounder or what have you. Might be tough to make that kind of complicated deal work though.
I would be all for this trade if wes johnson is also involved and we keep our #16 pick. I just really dont see the need or the urgency in trading Igoudala.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
by jefu on Jun 22, 2011 9:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
"Smells like troll" - jefu
Oh ok i get it know, You know nothing about basketball let alone the 6ers, how long have you been a fan dude? If the last 7 years did’nt drain out all of the brotherly love you keep in your heart for Iguodala then you have’nt been watching philly play on a consistent basis.
While I don’t think you’re a troll, I must say, I watch every Sixers game and I have plenty of brotherly love left for Iggy. Is he overpaid? Yes. Is he overrated? Absolutely not. He is our best defensive player, and the reason that the Sixers were able to hang with the Heat throughout the series. There shouldn’t be an urgency to get rid of him, it should just be done for the right price.
by The Mad Hopper on Jun 22, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree that he’s overpaid. I read that next season he will be top 30 highest contract in the league. I’d argue he is a top 30 player in the league.
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by jefu on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I 100% agree he’s top 30, but sadly I’m starting to think only Sixers fans think that. He’s so criminally undervalued that Lakers fans think Lamar Odom is too much to give up for him. It’s just sad.
by Dan Deathcore on Jun 22, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
People get too caught up in PPG.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
by jefu on Jun 23, 2011 6:06 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
VA2PA: You spell like you barely made it past seventh grade. You write in all caps. You say things like “AWWWW YEAH BOI!.” You make completely inane, misinformed comments (in caps) such as, “WES IS A MUCH BETTER PLAYER AND HAS MUCH MORE POTENTIAL THAN IGGY. (FACT).”
You add absolutely nothing to this site, and, as a matter of fact, you are the picture perfect example of why rabid sports fans are so often stereotyped as babbling idiots. This site is the last beacon of rational sports talk that I’ve been able to find, and you and your ilk are ruining it for all of us. If VA 2 PA means that you moved here from Virginia, please, go back.
by The Crooked Man on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Wolves fan...
A deal centered around Iggy for #2 is one of the first trades in history, it seems, that would leave both fanbases just giddy with excitement. It makes too much sense not to happen.
Although I should warn you not to expect any positive contributions from either Wes Johnson or Flynn if you get them in return.
Maybe I was a little hard on Wes.
But he was hugely disappointing last year and will be 24 next season. Flynn is straight-up one of the worst players to receive regular minutes in the league.
i.e, there's a reason the Wolves were so bad last season...
and the amount of minutes given to those two is a real part of it.
True
Honestly if we can get the #2 pick instead of trading for a vet that will help us continue to tread water as a one and done team every year I will be more than happy to be disappointed by either player.
And if we can get
an honest-to-goodness wing player who can handle the ball and play defense, I’ll be more than happy to pay him a bit too much.
I just wish all this Iggy trade stuff would end
Either with a trade or with Thorn saying that he isnt going to be traded.
All of my Clipper fandom brethren keep on saying that he is going to the Clippers, but I just dont see him going anywhere. Still, all of the waiting is getting on my nerves.
At latest, july 1st.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
by jefu on Jun 22, 2011 10:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What’s this, I good trade rumor about Iggy…
So what exactly is the catch? There must be some huge pile of refuse involved, I can smell it.
Well they won’t want Jrue. I doubt they want Turner with Wes there (although maybe they want to swap them?) And Minny does not have any truly brutal contracts. So I can’t see the catch.
To good to be true right?!
The 76er's let their most beloved son of the last 10 + years [Allen Iverson] walk all the way to another country, (Turkey to be exact), to play basketball and signed Antonio Daniels this past season? WTF! If there is not a plan to remove A.I. from the league by collectively not giving him a chance to play in the NBA anymore then please explain to me what Antonio Daniels, J.J. Barea, & M. Bibby (just to name a few), are still doing in the league on good teams getting quality minutes? - Exactly
Man if we get the #2 for Iggy it would damn near impossible for the FO mess this up right? lol
I mean you got two chances in the 1st round to draft a big.
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