2011 Liberty Ballers Big Board
It's that time of the year again, where Jordan, Mike, Tanner and I release our combined big board. Similar to last year, we've ranked all of our prospects 1-20 and sorted the prospects based on their average position, with players who didn't get a vote in all of our boards getting a value of 21 (just outside the 20) as a placeholder.
Note, this is in the context of where they would be on our (hypothetical, Thorn's not asking for any of our input, although I'll make myself available to him) Sixers focused big board, not necessarily where we have them ranked as prospects.
Here's our big board. After the jump we'll provide some rationale for our insanity.
| Composite | Player | Jordan | Mike | Tanner |
Derek |
| 1 | Kyrie Irving | 5 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 2 | Jonas Valanciunas | 4 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
| 3 | Bismack Biyombo | 1 | 6 | 2 | 4 |
| 4 | Enes Kanter | 3 | 2 | 4 | 5 |
| 5 | Derrick Williams | 2 | 4 | 6 | 3 |
| 6 | Jan Vesely | 9 | 5 | 5 | 6 |
| 7 | Chris Singleton | 12 | 10 | 7 | 13 |
| 8 | Alec Burks | 11 | 9 | 11 | 11 |
| 9 | Markieff Morris | 6 | 15 | 10 | 18 |
| 10 | Tristan Thompson | 15 | 18 | 8 | 9 |
| 11 | Jordan Hamilton | 10 | 14 | 12 | 14 |
| 12 | Kemba Walker | 20 | 7 | 16 | 8 |
| 13 | Brandon Knight | 19 | 8 | 17 | 7 |
| 14 | Kenneth Faried | 7 | 16 | 13 | n/a |
| 15 | Donatas Motiejunas | 13 | 12 | n/a | 15 |
| 16 | Kawhi Leonard | 18 | 11 | n/a | 12 |
| 17 | Klay Thompson | 14 | 19 | 19 | 10 |
| 18 | Marcus Morris | n/a | 13 | 15 | 16 |
| 19 | Nikola Vucevic | 16 | 20 | 9 | 20 |
| 20 | Jimmer Fredette | 8 | n/a | n/a | n/a |
Others receiving votes: Tyler Honeycutt (17th from Mike, 17th from Jordan, 17th from Derek), Tobias Harris (14th from Tanner, 19th from Derek), Justin Harper (18th from Tanner), JaJuan Johnson (20th from Tanner).
Comments from the peanut gallery:
Jordan:
Before anyone gets hot and bothered over the unusually low rankings of point guards like Irving, Knight, and Walker let me explain myself. Unlike most prospect rankings you'll see on the internets, my top 20 was compiled strictly in regards to the Sixers - how the prospect fits both short and long term - along with the typical criteria: talent, potential, intangibles, etc. With the Sixers in mind I focused mainly on their biggest needs - interior defense, rebounding, and shooting - and shied away from point guards and ball-dominating players since the Sixers already have a crowded young backcourt littered with guys who need the ball in Jrue Holiday, Louis Williams, Jodie Meeks, Evan Turner, and Andre Iguodala.
Probably my two most controversial rankings are Bismack Biyombo at number one and Jimmer Fredette number eight. I'm fully aware of the risk involved with Bismack. First, some say he could be as old as 26, instead of his listed age of 18. That would change everything. Secondly, his offensive game is beyond raw. Lastly, he's flown up draft boards in recent months mostly based on one impressive performance at the 2011 Nike Hoop Summit. Before he burst onto the scene in Portland and all but guaranteed his spot in the draft lottery, the man was on hardly anyone's radar.
However; with all the question marks and uncertainty surrounding Bismack his raw athleticism and defensive instincts, combined with his highly-touted work ethic, passion and character make for a guy who has the chance to truly be a special player in the NBA, even if his offensive game never pans out.
Big men with Bismack's defensive upside don't come along very often, and if the Sixers were able to get their hands on him he'd immediately fill the massive void of a defensive anchor, and form a potentially lethal defensive combo with Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner in the future.
I ranked Jimmer at eight, despite the fact that he's a small guard with an underwhelming defensive reputation, who dominated the ball in college, because of his shooting ability. Jimmer is one of, if not the best shooters in this draft class. Although he dominated the ball at BYU to a tune of a nation-leading 854 possessions used, I believe he can be effective without the ball as a shooter and a scorer. Pair his ability to shoot with his overall scoring ability and Jimmer could potentially fill the both the roles of Sixers' Jodie Meeks and Lou Williams simultaneously.
Given his history and success as a go-to scorer Jimmer could provide the Sixers with stretches where he carries the team offensively ala Lou Williams, and remain effective as a catch-and-shoot, stretch-the-defense type player the rest of the time. He's extremely undersized for the shooting guard position in the NBA, but luckily the Sixers have guys in Jrue Holiday, Evan Turner and Andre Iguodala to lock down the opposing teams' best perimeter scorers. Jimmer's defensive liabilities would be much less magnified on a team like the Sixers, and he can't be any worse defensively than the Boss.
Mike:
The first inconsistency here is Kanter and Valanciunas over Williams. I simply don't think Williams will translate as well to the pros as much as your average draftnik but have him relatively high because I think he'll be a solid role player. I probably have Vesely and Biyombo higher than most as well, because I think their upside is worlds higher than Brandon Knight and Jimmer Fredette. Speaking of The Jimmer, he's unranked. That wasn't an accident. If he somehow fell to the Sixers at 16, I'll be attacking the stage if Stern announces their marriage. I'm officially not interested in him as a pro.
Same goes for the Thompsons (allegedly unrelated), who give way to Tyler Honeycutt and Jordan Hamilton up my draft list. Faried and Markieff land around the Sixers spot based on their high floors, and I'm not buying into the recent Vucevic surge because of how lumbering he'll be around NBA bodies. There's a whole bunch of average in the middle of this pack and who I want for the Sixers is pretty fluid, but the ideal situation would be to move up to either 2 or 4 and steal Kanter or Valanciunas from the top.
Tanner:
I guess there's no other place better to star than at the beginning huh? Like in all years past, I will always find it hard to pass on the best talent in that draft no matter the personnel already established on the team. Jrue Holiday is a rising talent in this league (and a sweetheart), but having a chance at Kyrie Irving is way too much to pass up. Having said that (thanks Larry David), he's not an option even if the Sixers magically move up in the draft so let's end that talk right there.
Disclaimer: this draft is very wacky (like the races). Jordan and I were telling each other about how many times we changed rankings and how we could easily switch anybody from around number 6 all the way down to number 20. And since we're putting together these rankings with no knowledge of each others' feelings, I'm not exactly sure which selections would be considered "reaches" or "bold picks" like in previous years (I believe I had Paul George at 6 last year?). So that being said, here's a couple justifications.
Chris Singleton has been on my radar ever since the beginning of the 09-10 collegiate season. When I witnessed him play in person at Maryland two seasons ago, I was floored by his defensive ability in the post and also the wing. That ability he had in college in the post may not end up translating into the NBA though, considering the players are bigger and stronger than in the struggling ACC. The big question with him this season was whether he'd end up being a 3 or 4 once he moved on to the league. I personally think he can adapt to the 4. His defensive instincts down low are too impressive to just send him to a wing position. I've been a believer in Singleton since two seasons ago and my love for him (sentimental right?) only grows as time goes on.
Another difference you might see in my rankings is the swapping of the Morris twins from Kansas. Most mock drafts have Marcus being the most heralded of the borthers, but I'd prefer Markieff out of the both of them. As Derek pointed out earlier, Marcus projects to more of a perimeter player than down low. Seeing as the Sixers are currently searching from a presence in the paint, Markieff's added height and weight would better serve the purposes of this team.
Jordan Hamilton's name has certainly been an interesting one throughout this past season, as well as the past couple days after the CBS report that the Sixers are set on taking him with the 16th overall pick. I wouldn't mind this pick at if an Iguodala swap were imminent but if Dre sticks around for another year (or more), I wouldn't want to see Hamilton be the selection. Evan Turner already was left out of the loop his rookie season and seeing his improvement in the playoffs, his added minutes plus Dre's standard 38-40 would leave Hamilton way out in the cold. I like what Hamilton brings to the table offensively and despite his defensive lapses at Texas, believe Collins could get a decent result form him. If Dre ends up leaving town, I wouldn't mind this kid at all.
We've been hearing more than a few times over the last couple days about the likelihood that Nikolas Vucevic will be the Sixers first round pick barring an unexpected slip. I wasn't a huge follower of his in college as it's tough for me to catch many Pac-10 games considering they don't really start until after I'm in bed anyway. But the more I read about this kid, the more I like. The Sixers desperately need somebody in the post that is willing to bang around for some rebounds, which Vucevic can do. Unlike a lot of other "hustle" players though, Vucevic has a nice mid-range game as well, which management seems to value (they did get Spencer Hawes remember) when it comes to big men. If he can compensate for his lack of athleticism by finding spots and establishing good rebounding position, I'd think Vucevic would be a nice addition to the team, which is why I have him at #9.
So there's some justifications for where I have various draft prospects slotted for Thursday. I haven't seen Mike, Jordan, or Derek's so it should be extremely interesting to see the disparities between them. I'm certainly expecting more than last year and even expect Mike to throw Anatoly Bose in his top 20.
Am I crazy for these rankings? Probably. But enjoy nonetheless. The draft is a mere day away!
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I had my top 20 saved in a text file since I knew this was coming. The overall list is remarkably similar to mine.
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Jonas Valanciunas
4. Bismack Biyombo
5. Enes Kanter
6. Jan Vesely
7. Chris Singleton
8. Markieff Morris
9. Kawhi Leonard
10. Kemba Walker
11. Tristan Thompson
12. Brandon Knight
13. Marcus Morris
14. Jordan Hamilton
15. Kenneth Faried
16. Alec Burks
17. Klay Thompson
18. Donatas Motiejunas
19. Nikola Vucevic
20. Jimmer Fredette
I’m just a little lower on Burks and higher on Leonard.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
I posted this earlier… Of guys who theoretically could fall to the Sixers at 16 (some are a big stretch) here is my board:
Valanciunas
Bismack
Kemba
Tristan
Hamilton
Burks
Markief
Marcus
Klay Thompson
Chris Singleton
! tried to include any player who has a shot at slipping. I also assume Iguodala is traded.
Some of the guys I have don’t fit the Sixers needs (Kemba, Burks) but you can’t pass on a guy if they are that much better than what is out there.
I stooped at 10 players, becasue more than 1 of my 10 will be available where the Sxiers pick. And there are some guys I think will be decent pros (Vucevic) who I just do not think are right for the Sixers. I’ll take a bad pick if the guy has star potetial (Kema and Burks) but not for a guy who just porojects as a solid pro.
Kemba?!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 22, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Donatas Motiejunas
Why is everyone so low on Motiejunas? Most polished of all the European players offensively and has just as much upside as anyone in the draft IMO. 20 years old, added 20 pounds to his frame, very good shooter, and GREAT passer. I would def take players over him (especially a player that is his opposite in Biyombo), but Motiejunas’ ceiling is higher than almost any player we can expect to see around 16. He has the size and demeanor to improve his defense. Not the safest pick (even though you can argue Biyombo is even riskier) but could def be a steal at 16.
The problem isn’t that he’s bad at defense and rebounding. It’s that he’s terrible at defense and rebounding.
You can get away with one or two non-offensive players on the court. It’s slightly harder to hide a bad defensive player but of course it’s possible. There is very little you can do to make up for a terrible rebounding big man though.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
What he’s asked to do defensively in the European league is much different than what is asked of in NBA. With his his height and young age, he definitely has the potential to greatly improve this part of his game with good coaching. Especially if he keeps adding on muscle. I will agree that his character is a concern, but not to many players (especially in this draft) will have as much upside as he does at 16.
With that being said, I would rather have Biyombo than him. But out of the players who actually have a chance to be around at 16, Motiejunas would probably be in the top 3 or 4.
How could I have left Anatoly Bose off my board?!
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Bismack Motiejunas
With his offense and defense he would be the perfect pick for us at 16. ;-)
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My 76ers board: 1-25
Derek Williams
Enes Kantor
Jonas Valanciunas
Kyrie Irving
Brandon knight
Bismack biyambo
Marcus Morris
Tristan Thompson
Nikola Vucevic
Marshon Brooks
Klay thompson
Kemba walker
Jan vesely
Jordan Hamilton
Alec burks
Justin Harper
Kawhi Leonard
Markieff Morris
Donatas montiejunas
Chris singleton
Jammer freddette
Iman shumpert
Tyler Honeycutt
Kyle signaler
Kenneth farried
I think Derek Williams would be a great fit on the 76ers but I doubt there is any way we get our hands on him, but I put him up there anyway.
Irving has not played enough to have his weaknesses exposed. Neither has Kantor, so I hope like heck we avoid trying to acquire either of those players but as a fan I would not be angry if we aquired one. Just don’t think they will live up to expectations.
Kind of reminds me of Jo Noah on the bulls. He would have been a top 2 pick in 2005 had he come out but went 9th the following year when gms got a better sample size from which to evaluate him. He is an excellent player and 9th pick is right where he should have went, but likely would not have lived up to expectations had he been taken 1 or 2 in 2005. Irving and Kantor seem to fit right into that same mold.
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My auto complete messed some names up again. Please do not go grammar police on me (hapens here a lot) as I notice grammatical errors in the above article as well. We all make mistakes. :-)
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