More 2011 NBA Draft Updates + NBA CBA News
by Jordan Sams on Jun 21, 2011 5:26 PM PDT
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PrintRumors are flying around about the number two pick. Every few hours a rumor emerges, contradicting the previous rumor, and the Wolves have been said to "shopping the pick heavily" and "leaning towards keeping the pick" multiple times throughout the day.
Here are the second-hand rumors I've gathered throughout the day. Don't quote me on any of this.
- The Wolves are seriously shopping the pick, but not really.
- The Lakers were thought to have offered Pau Gasol for Kevin Love and the number two pick. Last I heard that was false.
- The Suns have offered Marcin Gortat and pick number 13 for the second pick. Chad Ford says this is the Wolves best offer so far.
- The Wolves offered the number two pick for Andrew Bynum.
- The Pacers reportedly offered Roy Hibbert and the 15th pick for the number two pick, only to get denied by Minnesota.
- This is my favorite - these are two direct quotes from today's Rumor Central on ESPN:
The Wolves are expected to move the No. 2 pick at some point between Tuesday and the end of the draft on Thursday.
The Wolves, with two days to go before the draft, claim they will hang on to the No. 2 pick in the draft."Anything can happen, but right now we're going to keep 2," assistant general manager Tony Ronzone told the Star Tribune. "We like 2."
Peter Newmann and Dean Oliver of TrueHoop look at the age factor in the draft.
There is no perfect formula to factor age into the equation, but the trend is that a younger, highly drafted player will have more success than an older one.
Source: Markieff Morris may have put himself in the mix for the No. 8 pick with the #Pistons with his workout today.
"That, for me, is the hardest thing to do - trade a player that's a known for an unknown, or vice-versa," said Kevin Pritchard, former general manager of the Portland Trail Blazers, last March at the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference.
The sliding salary band for teams, which essentially sets a league-wide cap with flexibility to deviate on a team-by-team basis above and below the $62 million target, also would put the onus on teams that have been reluctant to spend much above the current minimum payroll to spend in the hopes of enhancing their ability to compete.
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If we traded Iguodala for the #2 pick and took Biyombo, I would shoot myself. He’s not worth the #2 pick. If we go there, it has to be Williams. But Minnesota can’t just take on his contract anyway, there would have to be some other players involved.
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why not. if the Wolves keep the #2 pick they are going to have to pay him alot of money. So whats the difference if they traded for Iggy. And the other piece is the Sixers pick
The salary for each draft pick is already set. It goes on a sliding scale, with the first pick being the highest paid down to the thirtieth pick being the lowest paid. I don’t the figures for this years draft picks, but at best the second picks yearly salary will be at best one third of Iguodalas yearly salary.
That’s why not.
So other Timberwolf players and thier salaries would have to be included to make the deal match up. The only exception is when a team has a trade exception, and can absorb all or some of a players salary. I do not know if the Timberwolves have a trade exception
T’Wolves are under the cap. They only have to add about $2-$3 mil of contracts to the deal for it to work.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
according to the ESPN trade machine, they’re only about 3-4 mil under the cap. So it’d have to be more than that I believe. It has to fall within 125% or whatever the rule is. For instance, trading Flynn (a little over 3 mil) for Iguodala doesn’t work. They’d need to cut over 5 mil in salary in addition to Flynn’s.
If they had a Cavalier type situation though, they could just eat the contract without giving up anything in return.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3rey8hr
that would be an example. Maybe they wouldn’t have to give up AS much if they deal the 2nd pick, but it’d still be more than 2 or 3 mil
Sixers
plus the Sixers braintrust arent that smart to think about making that offer anyway. Even with a veteran Center there still along way from going deep in the playoffs. Why not do this and your really no further away to make a difference.
New CBA deal amnesty
Hey guys, i’d love if the sixers used iggy to break into the lottery. Tow ideas i had were…
1) iguodala and the 16th pick for the second, maybe some combination of beasley, darko, ridnour. I’m sure we could find a use for darko.
2) the second which seems more likely is the cavs fourth pick and either baron davis or antwan jamieson for iguodala. Antwan i believe is expiring which is obviously what you would try for first, however would you guys eat barons contract which expires at the same time as brands for the 4th pick? we could buy him out.
THE MAIN POINT OF MY POST IS WHICH NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT
I’ve been following the CBA proceedings and a common belief is that like there was a few years ago, there will be an amnesty clause in the new CBA where each team can rid themselves of one contract (Allan Houston rule). In short for those of you who don’t know, each team can take one contract off the books, They have to pay out the remainder of the contract however it will no longer be counted against the cap and that player becomes a free agent.
This could have huge implications for the philly rebuilding effort, ridding the team of brands albatross contract would allow us to part with iguodala for some future pieces and completely change the landscape and direction of this team. One thing that scares me though is that if this were to go ahead, would sixers management be too tight to pay out brand even if it did mean he was off the cap? would they opt to keep him? remember they still have to pay it out it just doesn’t count against the cap.
by Timothy Buecher on Jun 22, 2011 2:04 AM PDT reply actions
My problem is what players are signing up to play with a 30-win Sixers team (which is what they are, at best, without Iguodala and Brand).
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
ack, I meant to hit cancel.
It’s not a bad idea. Unfortunately it would mean a couple of years of terrible Sixers teams while they build assets.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
**THE MAIN POINT OF MY POST IS (WHICH NO ONE HAS TALKED ABOUT)
by Timothy Buecher on Jun 22, 2011 2:05 AM PDT reply actions
Dude take a chill pill and waite for people to read your post. However, after this outburst I won’t be surprised if everyone ignores you.
That was fixing the punctuation in my heading so that is made more sense. No outburst sorry. I just find it interesting that no one has discussed the ramifications an amnesty clause could have in this team. It certainly is feasible that it could be approved, Would we then keep iguodala if we could take brand off our cap? maybe try to rid ourselves of lou williams for an expiring and at the end of next season we would only have 24 million on the books including iguodala with jrue and turner still locked into rookie contracts. you can’t tell me they wouldn’t be able to add some nice pieces or manoeuvre a deal for a good veteran or two.
by Timothy Buecher on Jun 22, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t even though of possibilities concerning the new CBA. If there is a new “Allan Houston Rule” then indeed it would be an interesting possibility. It really depends on how much the new owners are willing to spend. They would still have to pay Brand’s contract but it wouldn’t count towards the cap.
Having Iguodala still around and a bunch of cap room sure would be appealing to Dwight Howard, I would think.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
That said, I prefer to think in the present because there really is no knowing what the CBA holds for us in the future, which is a huge problem.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Interesting
Forgot about the Allan Houston rule. Too bad we do not have a crystal ball as that scenario you lay out could set the 76ers up with an opportunity to build a contender.
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