Berger: Jordan Hamilton the Sixers First Choice? Jonny Flynn Offered for Andre Iguodala?
Ken Berger of CBS Sports has a couple interesting tidbits regarding the Sixers in his latest 'draft buzz' article.
Jordan Hamilton appears headed to Philly with the 16th pick, and sources said Monday the Timberwolves have offered point guard Jonny Flynn in a package deal for swingman Andre Iguodala. Philadelphia officials, however, have let it be known that they are not interested in a salary-dump deal for Iguodala and want an impact veteran in return.
As for the Hamilton pick, I'll believe it when I see it. I've been on Jordan Hamilton since early December when I wrote this about him:
I love Jordan Hamilton as a fit next to Holiday and Turner. He's a 6'7" small forward from Texas and he's a lights out shooter. He's shooting 42% on three-pointers this season, while attempting six per game, and according to DX he's must more efficient in catch-and-shoot situations:
"Hamilton is a tremendously consistent shooter when he's left open in spot up situations-displaying very sound shooting form in the process. When given time and space, he is lights out."
He'd be a nice fit next to Holiday and Turner. He's not the greatest defender, but we have a handful of solid perimeter defenders. What we lack is a shooter with the size of Hamilton. He's also a solid rebounder and passer, so he can contribute in many ways.
I like Hamilton. I think he's a good fit and a solid player. However; I think there will be better options available when the Sixers select at 16. I also strongly dislike the idea of mentally committing to a player this early when you're drafting as low as the Sixers. Who knows what players will fall, what trade offers will present themselves, etc. If Berger is on to something with his bold Hamilton statement I believe that's a mistake on the Sixers' part, on a few separate levels. Hopefully both he, and I are reading too much into this.
Also, FYI, we'll have much more on prospects like Hamilton in the next 48-72 hours when the great minds here at Liberty Ballers collaborate on our annual college big board. A podcast to debate our big board rankings and discuss draft possibilities is also in order, so be on the lookout for that.
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As for the Flynn bit, that's laughable. I don't understand the Sixers desire for a veteran in return for Iguodala. Draft picks. Young players. Expiring. It makes too much damn sense. We are however dealing with Rod Thorn and Mr. Basketball Sense himself though, so nothing surprises me anymore.
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I think it would be awesome to Trade Iggy, Draft Hamilton, and get Greg Oden.
Yea. I went there lol
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by Michael Levin on Jun 20, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Can this guy play PF though? Or would we draft him with the intent to put Jodie on the bench?
He can’t play defense but his 3s are deadly. Maybe we put him in a eddie house type role.
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He’d be drafted with the intent of becoming our future starter at SF. In theory, he’s a good fit next to Turner and Jrue because of his catch and shoot ability out to the 3 point line, and because of his size and rebounding for SF. They can create offense that he can finish.
Honestly, even if we don’t trade Iguodala right away, I don’t hate this pick. His upside is boring to me, and his one-on-one defense in certain matchups might be a problem. But he’s long and strong enough and gives enough effort on the defensive end that he shouldn’t be useless on that end of the floor.
Even though on paper he’s not as nice of a fit, I think I’d rather draft Burks if he drops if we are going offensive swing man. I think he has nice all-around perimeter 2 guard skills on the offensive end and has a better chance of becoming a crunch time scoring option than Hamilton. I think we didn’t get to see what Burks might be able to do as an off the ball scorer because of Colorado’s wacky offense and his ball dominant role in it. He’s not as natural as a long range catch and shoot buy as Hamilton. But I think he’ll be decent at it. I also like him slashing to the hoop or putting the ball on the floor better than Hamilton.
However, if Biyombo falls to 16, all these scoring swing men can wait until the next pick. If I believe the physical examination someone did out in Spain (I think) that showed Biyombo couldn’t be older than 20 at the most, then he’s my top pick if he falls to 16.
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Been voting for Hamilton on the big board every time except for the 1st round, I’d be ecstatic to see him on the 6ers.
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I like how we’re aiming to get some talent in return for Iggy instead of just canning his salary. What I don’t understand is how we’re looking for an old guy to replace him. Sure vets on a team can help the young guys’ growth, but trading your best player for one? A vet who’ll be watching in the stands when the young team hits their peak?
As for Hamilton, I like his shooting. We’re needing somebody to space the floor, and with Jodie most likely (hopefully?) heading to the bench, it’ll be nice to have a guy like that in the starting lineup. Plus Durant is high on the kid, for what its worth.
Strange thing though – I dreamed last night that we moved up in the draft and snagged Biyombo…
I hope your dream becomes a reality. I’d S&T Thad for Biyombo if there was a possibility of it. Then I’d keep the 16th pick, take someone several teams might like and consider trading down for extra value.
Can’t sign and trade a player until after July 1st. Of course the NBA will likely be locked out at the time.
And sign and trades don’t really work unless the player is going somewhere that he wants to go.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Hickson and 4th, yes. Washed up Jamison, no.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
I just assumed the Cavs wouldn’t give both up in same trade, but could deal 4th if it meant taking Jaminson
I don’t think they’d do the 4th and Hickson either. And they like Hickson, they would just trade him if Derrick can’t play SF. (which I don’t believe he can)
by paradigm19771 on Jun 22, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t understand the Sixers desire for a veteran in return for Iguodala
That’s probably where they’re setting the bar. As long as there are only crap offers like Hedo or Flynn for Iguodala, that’s probably the response they’re giving. I don’t mind young players and draft picks for Iguodala, as long as these young players/picks fit into the mold and have starting/high potential. I also don’t mind doing the unthinkable these days and holding on to Iguodala if all we’re getting is spare car parts in return.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Salary dump involving a package deal for Flynn? Maybe could look something like this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3wrj9jk
I can see how a package like that would not look as appealing as acquiring a veteran player even if it involves us getting minny’s 20th pick.
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Doubt we are set in on one player at 16. Smoke screen so a team doesn’t trade ahead of us to get one of the big’s we want.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ken Berger’s “package deal” would have to include their pick. No way Flynn for Iggy straight up is even sane.
by The Crooked Man on Jun 21, 2011 6:59 AM PDT reply actions
Probably their #20 pick.
I would not be averse to a deal involving Wes Johnson and cap relief and maybe their #20.. That would not be a great deal, but it would be better than a 1 year treading water deal for Kaman.
Then they could package #16 + #20 to move up to get Bismack (?#10 + #40) Or just take 2 quality prospects at #16 and #20.
Don’t know if those moves would be available, but at least that is the type of move I would try to make (assuming the team has marching orders to trade Iguodala.)
I don’t think we should try to trade up for Biyombo anymore since it sounds like there could be a good chance he could be there at 16
I don’t know about “good” chance. Reports are all over the place. There are a few teams in the lottery that are said to like him.
How about Valanciunas? He’s dropping like a rock now that it’s become clear that he will be playing in Europe next year.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
I’d be for them drafting Valanciunas, but since Thorn and Ed are likely on the hot seat with new owners, I can’t see them drafting someone who won’t be available for a year.
Which seems inconsistent with all of the Iguodala rumors. You don’t trade your best player for lesser players if your job is on the line.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Which doesn’t make sense. The current ownership won’t be paying Iguodala’s salary in the next few seasons. Now if it’s something the future owner wants then that is a different story.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Here’s another article, it says we are high on Malcolm Lee & our two best offers right now for Dre are Kaman & the Cavs trade exception. I wouldn’t mind trading up in the 2nd round for Lee but wouldn’t take him in the 1st & between the 2 deals I’d take the Cavs trade exception
From that article:
The fact that the 76ers are up for sale and there is a buyer negotiating now complicates things because much like Detroit last season, when teams are negotiating sales long term debt like player salaries weighs into the valuation.
If the 76ers can shed Andre’s contract without taking anything back, current ownership can get a better price.
So while the basketball move may be to flip Andre for a center like Kaman, the business move may be to flip Andre to the Cavaliers for their Traded Player Exception and erase the debt.
This suggests that they are motivated to trade away Iguodala becasue unloading his escalating contract will help the selling price.
poppycock. I’m sure this idea came from stringing together rumors. We have no information about what these new owners are trying to do with the team, but it makes sense that people read into Harris’ company and tie that idea into how he will manage the sixers. I don’t buy it. I want proof. I want pudding.
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You have to eat your meat first.
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How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat?
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
It won't...
…help the selling price if the buyer knows the first thing about owning a basketball team.
There is a perception that the new owner is this corporate raider who is going to slash to the bone. The problem is, you can’t really do that to a basketball team.
The “strip and flip” strategy that very often happens in corporate takeovers makes sense if you have a property-intensive business where the tangible property itself is undervalued. You sell off the undervalued assets at their actual value, and let the company fail. Obviously, that’s not the goal here. If he wanted to strip-and-flip, he would have made sure the stadium was in the deal.
The problem with the “slash to the bone” strategy (which does assume that you want the business to continue) is that it only works effectively if you have a pretty much guaranteed revenue stream. If this were baseball, where there was revenue sharing, slashing to the bone would make sense. This explains teams like the Royals, who never seem to get good, but never seem to go out of business. It’s because they’re being funded by the Yankees. But there is no revenue-sharing agreement in the NBA. Each team is on its own to generate its own revenue. And in this situation, while radical cost-cutting might have made a certain amount of business sense for Comcast, because they have the revenue streams from the stadium and the TV broadcasts, etc., it doesn’t make as much sense for a new owner who doesn’t have those peripheral income streams.
The one thing that stands out here, is that you have to put a competitive product on the floor to make revenues as a basketball team without peripheral revenues. Trading Dre for nothing is the exact opposite of that. I don’t think anyone is going to want to support another 27-win Eddie Jordan masterpiece. And replacing Dre with a rookie (and doing nothing to address the horrific frontcourt), while saving money, would probably make the team really, really suck again.
Ah! But you say, if we lose Dre’s contract now, we’ll have money in 2013 to chase Dwight Howard! That assumes a very risky supposition that Dwight Howard will want to come to a 25-win team because they can pay him. He’s not going to come to Philly to play with a couple of slightly-above-average players (Holiday, and I assume Turner by then) and not much else, in a non-marquee market (yeah, it’s big, but there ain’t nothing glamourous about Philly). And every other team in the league is getting ready to make a play for Howard. Just because we try, does not assume we succeed. It’s a huge risk that a smart businessperson would likely not make.
To sum this rant up before it reaches LeQuan-like proportions, straight-up salary-dumping Dre’s contract is going to make the team less attractive to someone who has to mind both sides of the profit equation, not more.
I’m not a sports journalist, but I do work with guys like the new owner all the time. They are anything but stupid. It’s all about value with these guys. And they never sell for less than something is worth.
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
How can the Suns get an offer of a 1st & Udoh for Robin Lopez, but we can’t get anything better for Dre?
it’s not that we can’t get anythin better for Dre, it’s that there haven’t been any significant rumors leaked that show better trade offers for Dre. Remember, the media is not always the bearer of the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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The FO needs to quit think they are gonna get a Carmelo Anthony
and just take the picks. Trade Iggy and Speights to a team under us for a pick. That sounds nice :)
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What picks? I don’t remember actually hearing any rumors involving picks.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
There was also us trading iggy and our 16 to the wolves for their 2.
I don’t want that unless we get bismack. But im leaning more to us getting jordan and then getting a big either in a trade or a sign(Greg Oden). I really think a scorer ike Hamilton who can be consistent (unlike the BOSS) would be beneficial. Especially in the 4th where we struggle.
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I don’t recall seeing that rumor anywhere other than blogs.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
well those blogs got it somewhere right?
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by TitansJonne on Jun 21, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
uhhh… not necessarily. Any rumored trade between Iguodala and the #2 pick was purely fan created. The only T’Wolves related Iguodala rumor in the media was involving Johnny Flynn.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Yeah that’s just a made-up scenario of mine that’s been thrown around here. It has some basis in fact (Minnesota coveting Iguodala and wanting to move the #2 pick) but hasn’t been reported anywhere other than conjecture.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
ahh well then nvm. That's good then. It goes along with what i would like to see.
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by TitansJonne on Jun 21, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure it’s something most of us would like to see.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover

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