Forecasting the Sixers NBA Draft Strategy
Sitting in the middle of the first round of the 2011 NBA Draft, the Sixers have one of the best shots at moving around come Thursday night. Dangling Andre Iguodala as trade bait and the extraneous but valuable-to-some Louis Williams and Marreese Speights, pieces could be had to bolster or take away from the 41-41 roster that coach Doug Collins has already put together in one season. With both feet firmly planted in mediocrity, in which direction will the Sixers choose to go?
While many other opportunities can come up, there are essentially three choices that seem possible for the Sixers draft night. They're patiently waiting for you after the jump.
1. Keep Andre Iguodala, Draft Big
Though reports have surfaced since the beginning of time that Andre would be moved around draft time, we're no closer to a deal today than we were three years ago. People still undervalue him and if Rod Thorn and Ed Stefanski are serious about getting some amount of tangible value back in return, the overwhelming probability is that they won't make a trade. His contract scares too many people off despite the opinion of the rulers of this site that he deserves every penny. Sitting on him for another year won't hurt too badly because Evan Turner will take some more of his minutes before assuming the lead role in the offense and Dre is a gamer so he won't be pulling a Manny or anything similar.
They'd stay put at #16 and have their choice at a slew of gentleman above 6'8 to improve the front court which has been more than a little light in the cakes for years. Those strapping men include Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, Nikola Vucevic, Kenneth Faried, Tobias Harris, and the Lithuanian-born Donatas Motiejunas. It comes down to preference and availability among those six, but you can't really go wrong (or right) with a mid-first in a depth-heavy draft like this one. This is the safe bet for a front office known to sit on their hands during big decision time.
2. Trade Andre Iguodala for Cap Room, Draft Replacement
The most popular option has been dealing Andre to the talent-laden Clippers for the previously-good center Chris Kaman's expiring contract and the 7-foot body that would have to come with it. If the LAC-owned Timberwolves 2012 first round pick comes along with Kaman, that's one thing, but if it's just for Kaman and his dwindling ability, that's not good enough. The cap room is nice, but if the front office won't be using it to sign anyone meaningful (read: Dwight Howard) and instead someone to take up space (read: Hakim Warrick/Drew Gooden/similar players), then what's the point of having it?
Another rumor has been sliding Andre to the Cavaliers for their player exception and possibly the #4 overall pick. For the Cavs to add Kyrie Irving and a player like Iguodala to their team in one offseason would be a huge boost to a floundering franchise. But for the Sixers, it's much more enticing than the Clippers deal. I'll let tk76 say the rest:
With Kaman you maybe win a few extra games for 1 season like when Joe Smith came with the Iverson trade. Then you either re-sign him at age 30 (mistake) or he just walks and you are still left with a giant hole at center - except you just kicked the can one more year down the road. Either way, what does that accomplish?
The Sixers love to get 40 wins so that they can claim they are building something. But they often do it with vets that have a foot out the door (Andre Miller and now Brand.) Kaman would just be another example of pushing off the inevitable really big move needed to build a contender. They need to either trade everyone for a superstar and build from there (like what NJ did) or get rid of all of the vets and go young for a few years in the lottery. But the half way junk whee they bring in more short term vets has to stop.
Perfectly put. This would make the general public irate, but those are the same people that think the Transformers franchise good for the world. So....that's that.
This would make Chris Singleton an immediate favorite for pick 16, but Jordan Hamilton and Klay Thompson would get looks here too. I'd take it.
3. Trade Andre Iguodala for Relatively Equal Value, Draft Big
As I said, equal value is not going to happen. Monta Ellis does not fit that description. Neither do Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson. But the media and fans like flashy names and I just named three of them. We've already gone over this in great detail the past few weeks, so I'll just rehash what Jordan said here.
These similarities between two equal-age players make the Andre Iguodala for Monta Ellis trade rumor look idiotic from the Sixers perspective, because they already have a Monta Ellis clone as their sixth man, with half his salary. I understand the potential trade would save the Sixers 11 million over the next three seasons, but Ellis' contract ends a year after Elton Brand's, so it still prevents the from being major free agency players in 2013 (read here).
The same bigs apply here, but they'd be more prone to go with a low-upside, high-floor player like Markieff or Faried than a project like Motiejunas or Thompson. Either way, this is my least favorite option.
If I had to guess, I'd put the odds of trading Iguodala on or before draft night at 50/50. The Sixers clearly haven't found anything they're in love with, otherwise he'd be gone already. But his being here next season (or not) impacts every decision this team makes so it's hard to imagine they'd go into the draft just assuming he will or won't be in town. They have to have a plan and be ready to execute it regardless of what precedes their pick Thursday night.
While trading Andre for lesser value will disgruntle the fanbase even more, it might be the best move for the franchise now and, more importantly, in the future. It all comes down to Iguodala and what Thorn/Stefanski want to get for him. It's all dominos from there.
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I think I recall reading this last night ;)
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
tee-hee
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s to bad the ownership change hasn’t happened because that could have dramatically changed the strategy. If I had to guess the preferred Comcast path, I would think #1 would be the way to go because that gives you the most competitive team next year. Not a title contender, but a solid contender for the #4 or 5 seed in the East. That’s not going to sell out the WFC on a nightly basis, but it won’t be empty either.
A new ownership group ma be interested in something more drastic that could be in the long term interest of the franchise.
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I was just talking to my father about this over the weekend. Two weeks ago this team was a hair away from being sold, and now, we haven’t heard a single thing about it since then.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
We have. Fagan has posted some updates. Basically they’re still hammering stuff out. It’s a pretty massive deal that’s going to take some time. We don’t know how early on in the process the story leaked out.
I remember when the Eagles were sold, it happened almost immediately when the story broke, but at that point the process was very advanced. That may not be the case here.
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I can sort of understand the Sixers front office’s trepidation in not trading Iguodala. I don’t see a win win situation for them. They aren’t getting equal value for Iguadala, would be nice but it won’t happen. It would be great if they could trade him for a guy who better fits their system(whatever that is) that has a talent level equal, or damn close to equal to that of Andre, but it won’t happen. The front office seems to be fixated on making the playoffs, regardless of what the outcome is once they get there, so trading a guy like Andre for cap space or expiring contracts is most likely going to mean a step back for the team, something the F.O doesn’t want to do. And honestly, I don’t totally blame the FO for not wanting to get rid of Iguodala just for the sake of getting rid of him but I do think space/picks is the way to go.
"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard
It’s looking more and more like Biyombo will be available when the sixers draft. A lot of teams report interest in him, but almost every draft has him consistantly dropping.
I just can't imagine he will fall to #16.
He is a player that I wouldn’t argue against drafting at #2 (depending on situation), so he would be a steal, project or no, in the middle of the draft IMO.
http://www.libertyballers.com/2011/6/20/2234101/draft-projections-6-20-11
Almost every mock draft thats out there has him in the middle of the draft – some as low as 21.
I don't dispute you on that.
I just can’t believe what I’m seeing. I don’t really get it. I guess his offensive game has that many people scared?
Biyombo and Valanciunas are dropping. That’s good news.
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Rumors has it the Warriors might get Robin Lopez
Would you do a Monta Ellis + Robin Lopez for Dre deal?
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As someone who follows the Suns as well as the Sixers, I would say no. Lopez has been so inconsistent that I want no part of him.
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TOP FLIGHT CENTER THO!
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by Michael Levin on Jun 21, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Lopez is definitely a top-flight center.
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by big_p.a.w.z. on Jun 23, 2011 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m tired of trade rumors. Most of them are hardly based on reality yet far too many people think that every rumored deal was actually something that could have happened.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
Option #2 is the most desirable option
1. Trade Iggy for Kaman/Wolves #1 pick
2. Draft SIngleton or Hamilton.
Only if that Wolves pick is involved would I do the Kaman deal.
And I highly doubt the Clippers will give it up.
Why not value?
Here’s what I’m not understanding. Iggy to Cleveland would be huge improvement for them combined with Kyrie Irving. Why wouldn’t they do a deal like this?:
Cleveland: Iguodala, Speights, #16 pick
Sixers: Varejao and #4 pick
That keeps gives the Cavs a new starter in Iggy, keeps them young by giving Hickson starter minutes [approx samer PER as Varejao], and gives them a young guy in Speights to back up PF and C. The Sixers get a proven big who is a good defender. Substitute Sessions and pull out the draft picks and I’m still okay with it.
Cleveland still has their trade exception to pick up another asset or free agent. How do they do better than this?
Varejao plays mostly center minutes for the Cavs. Who plays center with him gone? Hickson is more of a 4. Jamison is definitely a 4.
If they could possibly get Iguodala for just the trade exception + #4 why would they possibly do that trade? I don’t think there’s any way they’d trade Varejao for Speights and #16.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
I think you can get Sessions and TPE and #4 for Dre
may have to throw in Speezy of Noce or something.
Not my fave but..
ANd i think you wait to see if Kanter is available at #4 b4 doing this….
Why would we want Sessions?
I’d absolutely do it for Valanciunas at 4. I don’t care where his stock is or where he’s playing next year.
"Miami can’t beat Chicago, why? Because Chicago has everything Miami has and more.... I’ll grant you Wade/James stealing a game, or maybe two. But we’re seeing an OKC/CHI finals, and that’s a finals everyone will tune in for." - LeQuan Glover
1) Trade Iggy for #4 and TPE (and Sessions for Noce)
1a) At #4- Enes Kanter (may have to induce Jazz to take Brandon Knight or see if EKs available)
2) AT #16, Nikola Vucevic. (Or Motiejunas/Markieff)
Also, I feel like people are undervaluing the later picks now and there is little separation between 10 and 20, for instance and then say 28-40 or even 50 so…..
3) Trade Sessions/Lou to NYK for #17 (if Jimmer isnt there for them) or Bobcats #19 – take Jordan Hamilton. or maybe Marshon Brooks.
4) Load up on some (say 2 more) of these unwanted Late 1st/2 rounders (ORL for instance) and go for numbers with 3 bigs (like Phillies with P’s and toolsy OFs):
Jeremy Tyler (DX:54)
Trey Thompkins (DX:49)
Greg Smith (DX:61)
JaJuan Johnson (DX:46)
Jordan Williams (DX:59)
Last but not least:
5) UFAs:
Josh Harrellson (DX:73)
Rick Jackson (DX:65)
Depth at a position of dearth in the NBA.
or… “you can never have enough size”.
and since my plan includes getting hamilton later, its not at the expense of adding a shooter….
finally, a hedge, in case, one or the other doesnt pan out so well… or needs more time to contribute than the other
But, to your point, thats why I parentheticaled (?) Markieff or Motiejunas
With rumours swirling that Josh Smith is available for the right price, I think that would be the absolute best option for the Sixers. Get a great defensive forward that is capable of guarding every position and his contract is up at the same time as Brand’s.
Ditto, and that’s before we talk about multi positions. The grin on my face starts with “rim defender.” And his contract ends with Brands!!! I’ve been saying that is the priority in taking back a veteran for Iggy. This would be my number two option after Iggy to the Raptors…if they would do it. But this is simple in scope, since it is hard to tell how franchises place value on picks.
by paradigm19771 on Jun 22, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
interesting,
who would you want back from the raptors along with the fifth pick, cause i’m pretty sure derozan and davis are considered untouchable. unless you’re after bargnani! don’t know if colangelo would be willing to part with andrea, sad as it is.

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