The Sixers Should Inquire About the Second Pick
by Jordan Sams on May 17, 2011 11:34 PM PDT
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Shortly after the draft lottery concluded and the Minnesota Timberwolves were locked into the second overall pick, rumors of GM David Kahn willingness to trade the pick for "veteran help" surfaced. Here's what we know:
- This is a weak draft, especially at the top.
- The T'Wolves need a small forward.
- Kahn wants "veteran help".
- The Sixers desperately need a young big man to pair with Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner.
- The Sixers have a very good veteran small forward whose been the subject of trade rumors since the beginning of time, and the Wolves own a pick – which they're supposedly willing to shop – that could net the Sixers a much-needed big man prospect in Enes Kanter.
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Well assuming the cap goes up say 2-3 mil, then yes, they can absorb his contract, but then they would be against the cap with roster spots to fill.
So essentially, we would have to take a contract back. I wouldn’t mind taking back Martell Webster, 5.26 mil next year and then the following year is non guaranteed.
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Ok, even in that case, they could still probably afford Andre but would have to give back a couple mil to make it work if they have any desire to play with more than an a 10 man roster.
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Jrue/Turner/Wes/Brand/Kanter next season? YAYAYAYAYAYAYA
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by Michael Levin on May 18, 2011 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think at that point you keep Thad. What a bench, with Thad, M33KS, and He Who Must Remain Nameless Lest I Hurl Upon My Keyboard. In the second round, you move up a few picks and grab one of the decent developmental bigs, like Vucevic from USC, and use him as your backup C.
That thar’s a good young team, that is!
by dweebowitz on May 18, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can go straight up BPA with the 2nd rounder. Hawes is at least a serviceable backup. Maybe go Norris Cole so that BOSS doesn’t have to backup PG (or even becomes expendable!)
I hear that. And I’m all over any idea that can make Tha BOSS expendable :)
I like Vucevic because I’ve watched him play a few times. I have a buddy at my firm who also lives up this way…we carpool sometimes, when I go down to the office. Anyway, he’s a USC guy, and I’ve been over his house a few times when we’ve watched USC basketball. The Vucevic kid looks like a more consistent version of Hawes. Which is really all we ever wanted from Hawes, anyway.
I’m super intrigued by the Kanter guy but I’m not sure we need another player on the wing (Wes Johnson) however it might be necessary if Dre and Thad leave us. My question is are we selling ourselves short here by not maximizing Dre’s trade value? I think we can probably get more but I am definitely into this Kanter idea…
Also with Iguodala gone that frees up 38 minutes per game at a wing position.
Turner played 23 minutes per game last season. Meeks 27. Both of those could play a bit more. Let’s say Turner plays 35 and Meeks plays 30 (both optimistic projections.) There would be 23 more minutes per game to be had at the wing spot. And that’s with Thad still here.
Yeah that’s a good point we’ll need another guy to help out on the wing, I’m not a huge Wes Johnson fan but I know he’s a talented player. Perhaps coming to a team that doesn’t absolutely suck like the wolves in the super hard western conference he can step up his game. When I say I want a little bit more I’m saying I’d want a guy with maybe a little more experience who can help out at PF/C or the PG position. But overall I’d have to say I’d do it.
Bleh.
That sounds like the Hawks. If that werent the final product in the endgame of a title contending roster, i would be in.
by saveourbluths on May 18, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It does not sound like the Hawks at all for one fundamental reason: The Hawks have never had a point guard.
Until next year with Teague. His emergence against the Bulls makes them a very interesting team next year.
He had a very good series, sure. Samuel Dalembert had one of those once. It’s going to take more than 3 good games for me to believe that he will be the answer to their problems though.
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I just always thought he would be a good player and he finally got the chance to show it in the series. I thought he would get his chance when they got riddy of Bibby, but they brought in Hinrich.
I think he earned a chance to start and I think he will be a good PG for the Hawks next year.
Minnesota already owns #2 and #20
And does not want to add more young players to the roster. Iggy for #2 is a deal to work around, but trading Wes Johnson for another pick would be very strange. I think their plan is to trade picks for veterans, not picks for Veterans and more picks. Just my $.02.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
Would have to unload Ridnour somewhere else
As the Wolves only need one well paid veteran backup PG.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
I’m not necessarily a Lou Williams advocate, but the guy’s contract is fair for his production.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Okay fair enough
I like to assign a position to a guy based on who they can guard on the floor. Can Williams guard shooting guards or does his size limit him?
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
I’ll give em Nocioni instead of a pick.
by shova on May 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So much agreement happening here it’s giving me Parkinsons.
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by Michael Levin on May 18, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Jared Dudley being worth the #2 overall pick in any draft is just about the crazy/loco/preposterous homer trade I have ever read. I set a low bar for trades suggested in forums, but maybe I should set no bar at all?
Kanter may or may not end up being a top 10 NBA center. I don’t know enough about him (and I’ve read most of what is out there about major prospects.) But I don’t think he is the type of center they should be making a huge push for.
They do what he brings- a high energy legit center who defends well and has some offensive potential. But I think they need to target someone who can more fit into the Shawn Kemp type PF to pair with Jrue or Turner on the P&R and lobs. I don’t see Kantar as developing into that guy. He seems like he’s more likely to become more of a cross between Noah and Kantar (which would be tremendous if it panned out.)
So I’m not bashing Kantar, or saying he is not worthy of the #2. I’m simply saying it would still mean the Sixers would be left still needing to find the right big to pair with Jrue. It does not need to be a superstar. I actually think JJ Hickson could really thrive as that guy (at least offensively.) Probably Ibaka or De’Andre Jordan could become that type of guy. But I don’t see Kantar- for all of his potential strengths- becoming that guy.
So if Thorn is going to use all of his assets to land a big- let it be for one who fits with Jrue and Turner in order to lay a longstanding winning foundation.
Sorry, now to fix the typos. Meant to say:
-They do need what Kantar brings
-Kantar could develop into a hybrid of Noah and Bogut
A hybrid of Noah and Bogut would be freaking amazing compared to another dose of Hawesome.
I would be thrilled with Kanter. But it sounds like you wanna get Bi-Smacked for the Bi-Win!
I’d be cool with that too :)
I’ve sort of fallen off the Bismack wagon now that he is a top 5 pick :)
Sort of a risk rewards thing. I’d love to see him a Sixer, but I’m not sure you sell the farm for such a risky proposition.
But the dream is trading Iguodala for Ibaka and moving up to get Bismack in the draft. With the King Congo front court you cannot fail.
Some dream…why exactly would OKC do that deal? But yes, that would be a pretty incredible power combo :)
They already acquired and signed to long term money an elite defensive front-court player in Perkins. So they could maybe see Ibaka as somewhat more expendable.
You have to hope Durant pro-actively pushes OKC to get Iguodala as his wingman.
…And my dreams do not have to be anchored in reality. I am a Sixer fan.
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Hah!
I admit I had forgotten about Perk. But still…I don’t think Iguodala really fills a need for OKC, especially given that he plays the exact same position as Durant. Unless they plan to put Iguodala at the 2. Which, since Durant does all the scoring you could ask for, they could get away with, for the glue guy/passing/unseflishness (really important, since Westbrook is a little more selfish than a PG on a team with Kevin Durant on the roster should be)/defensive stopper thing.
Yeah, the only issue I see it that Westbrook and Iguodala both lack range. But in terms of defense and ball-handling Westbrook/Iguodala woould be a terror for anyone.
Think about Miami vs OKC in that setting. On defense you have Iggy on Lebron and Westbrook on Wade, per on Bosh. That leaves Durant free on defense to get a nap and eat a sandwich- which means he’ll be fresh to kill you on offense.
by tk76 on May 18, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Westbrook however, has the advantage of being a prototypical SG. He’s a slasher and he can hit the mid-range J. Unlike in Sixerville, Iguodala wouldn’t be a liability in a Westbrook/Durant/Iggy trio.
It’s perfect for Iguodala, he can return to being the 12/5/5 roleplayer wing that he is. And perfectly complimenting Durant/Westbrook, he might just win a title.
by LeQuan Glover on May 18, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Iguodala, in his PROPER role and value. Rod Thorn, Stefanski, Collins, many here believe he’s a Grant Hill/Scottie Pippen wing man and despite statistics, on the court where it counts, he’s not even close.
For if he were, they’d get their packages that make “basketball sense.”
Iguodala’s absolute lack of a half-court game wouldn’t matter in OKC, where he’s next to two of the best half-court scorers in the game right now in Durant/Westbrook. Really, they are an Iggy away from being the next dynasty.
Could we have been there? If we properly valued Iguodala, but we didn’t. We overvalued him and lost the opportunity. Like Michael said, it’s a business.
by LeQuan Glover on May 18, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
2 reasons I’m hesitant on Bismack
1. He went from a nobody to a top 5 picks in a matter of weeks.
2. He’s probably 38 years old.
I hear this. But if somehow he were available at #16, we would be morally obligated…
by dweebowitz on May 18, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He went from nobody to top 5 pick because everyone else went back to school, not because he shocked the world at a combine or anything like that. I wouldn’t touch Bismack with a top 15 pick.
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I think leading the ACB in blocks after finally getting playing time mid season
And his dominant performance at the Nike Hoops summit cemented his draft status, irrespective of whether others dropped out.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
by Ebomb on May 18, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the biggest need is a big who can anchor a defense, while not being a liability offensively. I don’t know enough about Kanter to say if he’s the guy. I’m going to try to get as much information about him as I can over the next 4 weeks, because I don’t like being ignorant on a guy. Granted, Kanter’s not doing much to help.
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by Derek Bodner on May 18, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m not sure how much more info you can get. You are talking game film that is over a year old or private workouts, which don’t necessarily translate to the NBA game.
This entire draft, top to bottom seems insanely risky. Its always about projecting a guys talents, but this year it seems harder than most. Almost none of the lottery prospects played extensively in an environemnent that you can see translating into what their role will be in the NBA.
For example:
-Irving: Hurt a bunch, so you missed out on seeing him play much in March when the games are intense.
-Williams: probably played a different position than he will in the NBA
-Kantar: DNP-NCAA decision
-Bismack: One very big, athletic question mark who taleks a good game
etc
It’s a terrible draft. I think there are about 5-6 eventual legitimate NBA starters, and maybe one All-Star (Irving, if he pans out), in the entire draft. Of course, I’ve been known to be wrong about guys before. There’s always that guy in the second round who ends up being really good in the NBA.
Here’s the thing: What EXACTLY did we lose if we trade Iggy for a top-5 pick? (Well, I know what you guys think) but as far as I’m concerned, nothing. We can get that roleplaying swing man any time you’d like. As a matter of fact, with a little more effort and attention to detail, Thad can be Iggy’s replacement.
But the possibility of getting a big man to help anchor the worst front court since god knows when, is too enticing. If Wolves fans and Kahn believe Iguodala would give them a “young core”, power to them and to us.
I am surprised that you feel this way
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I mean, think about it. This is a wing man that’s neither a shooter or a slasher. In addition, neither from the perimeter or from the mid-block, can he create his own shot. These are the basic fundamentals for a wing. Iguodala gets by on his athleticism alone, so therefore he isn’t exactly a building block nor was he ever.
If we can acquire a guy who can possibly develop into somebody who has a dominate skillset in any facet, we just improved significantly.
by LeQuan Glover on May 18, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It does, but this isn’t just Iggy but in general: I’d rather a defensive big than a defensive wing. They have a lot more impact. Where would the Magic be without Dwight Howard? If Bynum had a better series, think the Lakers wouldn’t have been swept?
The Heat don’t have a chance against the Bulls, and that’s because they don’t have a front court worth mentioning.
Defensive wings are awesome, but not when they’re complete liabilities. If Ron Artest had a straight head, he would’ve been a top 10-15 NBA player due to his strength down low in the block, followed by the mid-range jumper and basic isolation moves.
The hope was that Iguodala could be an Artest, he fell short and instead is a mediocre offensive SF that’s great at defense. And meh, you can get those anywhere.
The 2003 class was horrible, period., Remember Aruajo was a top-10 pick in that class. Wasn’t Channing Fyre a part of that class as well?
by LeQuan Glover on May 18, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Your right Dwight Howard is better than dre
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It does, but this isn’t just Iggy but in general: I’d rather a defensive big than a defensive wing. They have a lot more impact. Where would the Magic be without Dwight Howard? If Bynum had a better series, think the Lakers wouldn’t have been swept?
Sixers were 5-10 last season in games in which Iguodala did not play last season. They were also 0-2 in games that he played less than 20 minutes in. That is a .294 winning percentage in 17 games. Over an 82 game season that would be about 24 wins.
That means that the Sixers were 36-29 in games that Iguodala played 20 or more minutes in. That is a .554 winning percentage. Over an 82 game season that would be over 45 wins.
Of course he doesn’t make much of an impact.
Let me put it this way: Yes, acquiring a rebounder/defender of Iggy’s caliber from the wing position is rare. But do we NEED a rebounder/;defender of Iggy’s caliber? No, we don’t.
As a matter of fact, Turner has proven he’s just a good of a rebounder and a defender as Iguodala. With the offensive potential to boot.
We need a SF that can either create for himself or shoot, and if that means he’s an average defensive wing, then so be it.
I mean you’ve got Jrue and Turner as your other defensive wings, you don’t need yet another purely defensive wing man.
Avery Johnson gave credit to Thaddeus Young, but IMO it also has to go to Jodie Meeks. Despite his late-season struggles, teams were for sure aware of where he was on the floor. And I actually have fallen in love with Meeks, kid can maybe develop into a starter ALA Raja Bell.
That being said, I’d rather a wing man of optimal size that can spread the floor. Even if it means he’s average at defense, we just got better.
by LeQuan Glover on May 18, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
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This is 100% because I haven’t seen Kanter but if we were to get the 2nd pick I would rather draft Derrick Williams
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by Michael Levin on May 19, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Dre to Utah for either #3 or Derrick Favors and Okur , the Jazz have the frontcourt locked up with Jefferson and Millsap getting big money, if they swap Favors/Okur, we get the athletic young Big we need, and Utah can use the #3 pick to get a solid two guard, putting Harris, said two guard, Iggy, Millsap, and Jefferson.
As a result we have Holiday, Meeks, Turner, Favors/Brand, Okur/Hawes
with Lou, Mo Speezy, and hopefully Thad back next year running 10 deep and young.
We move forward building around Turner, Holiday, and Favors.
by Tony Timberlake III on May 18, 2011 9:30 AM PDT reply actions
money worked with Favors and Okur…would have to do it after the draft to wait for Favors’ trade restriction to pass.
by Tony Timberlake III on May 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Utah wants to keep Favors
I was thinking since we are dealing with Minny maybe Kahn is stupid enough to take Lou & our 1st for the 2nd pick then we could put out a lineup of either Brand-Williams-Iguodala-Meeks-Holiday or you could start Turner instead of Meeks
If Lou and 16 get the 2nd pick that day will become an official Liberty Ballers Holliday for the rest of time.
Kahn has not been bad at making trades
Beasely for 2 2nd round picks and cap space
Foye + Gomes for #5 overall in 2009 draft.
Anthony Randolph for Corey Brewer
Al Jefferson for 2 future 1st round picks and cap space.
Now his draft record has been atrocious, so clearly that is an area where he is a wildcard. I would expect him to take a player like Biyombo out of nowhere at #2 overall before he made a poor value trade for the same pick.
Just my opinion.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
I would be down for this
A core of Jrue, Turner, Kanter/valaciunas sounds great.
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I’d be good with Kanter, but only if we got Wes Johnson too. Those 7 foot Euro shooters are gonna be rising with the way Dirk’s playing, a 7 footer that can shoot is a weapon.
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Wasn’t talking about Kanter, i’ve heard the 2 Lithuanians are though
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Valanciunas isn’t a jump shooter. Moti isn’t really either, although he’s more developed than either Kanter or Vala in that regard.
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by Derek Bodner on May 19, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
i think its risky getting euro players. everyone was so hyped about darko and bargnani and look how theyre panning out. Bargnani was a number one pick and so far hes been decent. I’d want a more sure thing at that number two spot.
Says a Sixer fan who’s team passed on Dirk to draft Larry Hughes.
You can find lots of examples on either side. But with a weak US crop this year, their is more value in overseas players.
Darko never even got off the bench in Europe. Drafting him on potential was a huge mistake.
Valanciunas and Biyombo have actually shown something in a league that is tougher than the NCAA. They are just as risky, if not less so, as any American player.
Am I the only person that wants them to give Dionte Christmas another shot?
Seems like he’s playing well overseas. He may not be a BOSS but he a BUL
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Thoughts on this Three Way
Wolves out: #2 + Wes Johnson + Anthonry Randolph + Jonny Flynn
Wolves In: #4 + Andre Iguodala
Cavs out: Anderson Verajao + #4
Cavs in: #2 + Nocioni
Phi Out: Iguodala + Nocioni
Philly In: Anderson Verajao, Wes Johnson, Anthony Randolph, Jonny Flynn
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
What does this have to do with the Sixers inquiring about the #2 pick? ;)
I like Varejao more than most but I’d much rather have the pick.
Fair Enough
I think Verajao is available and Cleveland would value Williams I would imagine, so I wasn’t sure whether Sixers fans would rather roll the dice on Kanter or Biyombo or take more developed players in Verajo and Randolph to help you in the paint.
If you non-tendered Hawes and salary dumped Speights after this deal, I could see the value.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
Hawes’ option has already been tendered.
The way I see it, if we’re trading Iguodala we’re looking to the future and not the present. I’d much rather have a center that can grow with the Holliday/Turner core than a 29-year old who helps us win a few in the short term. Hopefully management feels the same way.
I thought they could rescind the option before he signed it, but you could be right.
I probably agree that now is the right time to go young for the sixers, especially in the frontcourt. Not everyone agrees with the go young approach though. Draft picks bust, Verajao and to some extent Randolph are known commodities.
Personally I want to see the Wolves trade out of #2 under any circumstance with Iguodala, Harden, Bogut and Ellis as targets in that order. Harden probably being the least likely possibility, but I would make the call.
I wouldn’t give you Wes Johnson and the #2 though. #2 for Iguodala seems like more than enough value without including Johnson.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
Draft picks bust. Varejao and Randolph are known commodities.
#2 for Iguodala seems like more than enough value without including Johnson
Can’t have it both ways. I think a well-respected veteran in his prime would be worth more than a #2 pick in a weak draft. Draft picks bust, after all :)
I was dissecting the competing theories on what type of assets you would like to receive
And you can’t pretend that Iguodala’s contract doesn’t affect his trade value, especially with a hard cap on the way. If Iguodala was getting paid $30 Million over the next three years instead of $44.1 Million, I would absolutely throw in Wes Johnson. But acquiring Iguodala also has an affect on our ability to improve the team after acquiring him.
But thanks for the welcoming smiley face after your post, I’m sure the Sixers will have plenty of options to trade Iguodala this summer and will know full well his value before making any trade prior to the draft.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
Yeah, it’s not like Sixers management has a long and storied history of making really, really horrific trades or anything…
We do hope for the best, though. Honestly, I think I would be OK with Iguodala for #2 plus something semi-useful. Doesn’t necessarily have to be Wes, although he would be our preference.
I would think Anthony Randolph would be a better possibility than Wes Johnson.
Otherwise it would likely be players from this list:
Webster
Tolliver
Flynn
Darko
Pekovic
Ellington
Lazar Hayward
I realize this list isn’t exciting, but with guys like Flynn, Ellington, and Hayward you could non-tender them after this year. Darko has two years and $12 Million left if you excercise his contractual buy out after his second year. Pekovic is a big body with 2 years left on his deal for a modest price. Webster is a good spot up shooter and defender, he just can’t create off the dribble. Not sure what you would prefer.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
If this is the Poo-Poo platter, I’d probably have to go with Webster. I could probably live with that. He sounds like a guy (from your description, admittedly I know nothing about him because I’ve never seen him play) who can play a decent 6th-7th man role from the bench.
We already have a better version of Ellington. I would consider Pekovic if we hadn’t tendered Hawes. And who is Lazar Hayward? :D
Makes total sense to try to land a big for Andre
No NBA Team is going to give up one of their young front court players for Andre. I would like nothing more than to get a Ibaka, Jordan, but it isn’t happening. Take the gamble and hope this Euro player is the real deal. Team as constructed is probablly maxed out and they need to find some solutions to their poor frontcourt. As for the other area of need, a go to scorer, keep you’re eyes on the kid from Providence-Marshawn Brooks. He can simply put the ball in the basket and lit up the best of the Big East Teams all season long. This player has the it factor.
Would you guys consider trading Iggy for the #7, Omri Casspi, and $9-10M in cap space?
The Kings need a vet small forward, and I love Iggy., and so does Petrie.Casspi really doesn’t fit here, because he needs more shots, and the shots are going to Reke, Cousins, and Thornton. He wants out.
We have a lot of cap space, and if trading, don’t have to match contracts, and can absorb. If you trade with Minny, you’d get a shot at Williams, unless Cle takes him, which they might. Gilbert loves him. Would you rather a chance at those two, or the #7, and promising young sf in Casspi, entering his 3rd year, and almost 10M in cap space so you could go after a first tier player in FA? Hell, you could get Nene for that.
With the new CBA, salaries will be lower, and shorter in length. A guy who would normally go for 12-15M will go for around 10M most likely. Many teams are over the cap, and if they do any kind of a hard cap, players to be had cheaply will flood the market. Good players. But players teams need to get rid of to get under the cap. Would you do that? You get more prospects, and more flexibility.
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#7(which could be a Knight/Kanter/Leonard/Bismack/Walker)at least 2 of those will be there
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by mynsbiggrthnurs on May 18, 2011 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
If Kanter or Biyombo were on the board at 7 I’d think hard about it. I would definitely not do it before draft day without knowing who will be there at 7.
Throw in Whiteside, and I probably do this, although, as Sean has said, not if both Kanter and Bismack are off the board.
IMO, we would get more than just the#2 for dre-whether it be Wes or Webster etc.
And the $10 mil would only get TO the cap (even before the new CBA) not under I am pretty sure. So we wouldn’t be able to sign anyone and thus it has much less value to me. Rather do the Minn. deal but if we couldn’t and kanter/biyombo/vala Was there at 7 and we also got whiteside thrown in then yes. I do think dre makes a lot of sense for sacto though.
by shova on May 19, 2011 4:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think
If that was the best offer I’d hold onto dre
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Make that trade Yesterday!!!
I brought it up a while ago, some of us on TWolvesblog really really really LOVE Iggy on the TWolves:
The trade offers in that first thread are just silly. Beasley and the pu pu platter? Why would the Sixers want any of that?
Well to be fair
This thread is about trading Iggy for the 2nd pick. It should probably specify the 2011 #2 pick, not the 2008 #2 pick.
Also: I’d love this trade. Especially if we got Wes Johnson in return.
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If they want ’Dre and 16, I would want either 2+Wes or 2+20+Webster. ’Dre is worth a hell of a lot more than even a high pick in a draft this crappy.
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Have to agree with Dweeb on this one. Not in favor of trading Dre unless we get fair value in return and no matter how high the draft pick, the NBA draft is much more of a crap shoot than the NFL draft. That being said, I do like Kanter/valaciunas and Love the prospects of having such a young talented team that could grow and play together for years to come.
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Sure
I would do 2+20+Webster in a heartbeat. However, you also have to take more junk from us to match salaries.
by College Wolf on May 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The T’Wovles are currently at ~$42 mil next year in salary. Subtract Webster’s salary and it’s ~$37 mil. The salary cap this past season was $58 mil. There’s no need to match salaries. Pending CBA of course. I think things will remain relative though. If a hard cap is instituted I can’t see them not scaling down salaries. Same if the cap is lowered significantly.
Have to factor in Rubio’s cap hold which counts against hte cap even though he isn’t being paid. Also have to factor in any 1st round picks this year including #20 or any pick returned from Philly. Wolves are about $5-6 Million under the cap, they can’t absorb Iguodala straight up.
Derrick Williams is going to Bust
58 (cap number in 2010-11) – 37 (what Minnesota owes to players next season without Webster) = 21 (how much under the current cap they would be before Iguodala). Iguodala is $13.5 mil. $7.5 mil left. 20th pick last season made $1.3 mil this season. Let’s round that up to 1.5. $6 mil left. There’s no way Rubio’s cap hold is more than $6 mil considering that’s more than what John Wall made this past season.
T’Wolves were $5 mil under the cap this past season. They are only on the books for $42 mil next season. This past season’s salary does not matter for any trades that would happen this offseason.
Concur.
Thanks wildcatlh, and sorry for not specifiying. Yes… would trade the 2011 #2 overall pick.
by College Wolf on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I had a dream last night that the Kahn traded us the #2 pick for Lou & 16 then we drafted Derrick Williams. Then we got Bynum for Dre. Keyword in that sentence though is dream
Sounds more like a wet dream.
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by EREX21 on May 19, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Thats an awesome dream
I had a dream that I got a C+ in my international business class. Not so awesome.
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If we landed #3, my board would like like:
Valanciunas
Kanter
Williams
Biyombo
In that order.
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Bah. Yeah, I meant 2.
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by Derek Bodner on May 19, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d switch the top 2, but would be happy with both. Not high on Williams for this team.
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by Michael Levin on May 19, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve seen him play basketball. That’s a start.
In seriousness (I’ve seen Kanter play, just not nearly as much as I’d like), I think he’s a better athlete, and potentially a better finisher inside. It’s fluid, though, and subject to change if I get more information.
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by Derek Bodner on May 19, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The two are similarly ranked in terms of prospect rankings. There’s a few reasons I like him more.
1. Valanciunas reportedly has a 7’6" wingspan. Kanter’s is “only” 7’1". That should help him a lot on the defensive end. If he can put on some weight he should become a better post defender.
2. Valanciunas has already shown two skills that should be translatable to the NBA right away. He rebounded at a very good rate in the Euroleague against much older and stronger competition. He also is reportedly very good on pick and rolls (though a lot of the picks that I saw video of would be called fouls in the NBA). He also shoots very well from the FT line which gives hope that he can develop a jumper. Unfortunately Kanter hasn’t been able to prove much on the basketball court over the past couple of seasons.
Of course neither players are likely to be stars and would probably be mid-lottery in most seasons.
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Trade Propasal:
76ers trade Iguodala, pick#16, and Marresse Speights to the Wolves for pick #2 and a 2016 2nd rounder.
you’re out of your mind.
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YES PLEASE!
You have to match salaries, so we’d have to give you some crap back, but if you guys are willing…
by College Wolf on May 22, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Sixers and the 2nd overall pick
Not sure if I would make that deal. Yes the 2nd overall pick is enticing, and I feel Iguodala may be blocking Turner. However I have heard that Meeks may be included in any potential deal between Philly, and Minny. I think if we are to deal Iggy, I’d want someone like a Chris Kaman back. He could back up Hawes, and give Elton a rest when needed. Andre to me is a Western Conference type of talent, and although he plays good “D” in a half court set, he could flourish in a run and gun system.
by Jersee Jerry 055 on May 24, 2011 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
All that you’re looking for in an Iggy trade is someone who can play second fiddle to Spencer Hawes?
by The Crooked Man on May 24, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
There are so many things wrong with this post.
I have not seen any rumors about a deal for the #2 pick. Every offer that you’ve read were made by random fans. Just because some fan writing on Bleacher Report makes a trade offer that involves Jodie Meeks does not mean that he would have to be included in a deal.
Jodie Meeks is a bench talent playing in a starting spot. He should not be a reason for anybody to not want to trade for the 2nd pick.
Chris Kaman is better than Spencer Hawes. He definitely would not be a backup.
Kaman is also older than Iguodala. If the Sixers were to trade Iguodala it would be a part of a rebuilding process. Having the key player be nearly 30 years old (and particularly one that has averaged over 35 games missed in his last 3 seasons) would not make “basketball sense”.
Do we want Derrick Williams?
Does it make any sense for anyone (76ers included) to trade up to number 2 in this draft if they have no intentions of taking Derrick Williams?
Unless we thought we could get a kings ransom for him from a team in love with him who doesn’t happen to match up well in a trade with minny I don’t see why we would move up to number 2 unless we wanted Williams?
There isn’t a single big who looks top 5 worthy from what I am reading. I think it would make more sense to stay at 16 and draft vucevic (if he is still there) or a player who can score in the NBA like marshon Brooks (who can push turner and give some insurance should turner bust). I just read that Brooks is a hard worker with the wingspan of a power forward (over 7’1"!!!) who lit up the big east last season. Hard to pass on that kind of work ethic/talent.
Watching games last year we seemed to need a solid big and anyone who can create and finish in the NBA to the tune of 2000 points a season if we have any hope of building a contender.
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