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Evan Turner Shines; Sixers Lose in Boston

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In a potential playoff preview the ailing Sixers hung with the defending Eastern Conference champs for a half, but got head, body, head'd in the second half, where they were outscored 45-32 en route to a 17-point Celtics blowout. Tonight's division loss, combined with the Knicks division win means tomorrow's Knicks-Sixers match-up in Philly is likely to determine which team earns the coveted six seed in the Eastern Conference playoffs.

Considering how important the sixth seed is, it's easy to see why the Sixers continue to trot out a one-legged Andre Iguodala night-after-night, instead of saving him for the playoffs. What's that? The sixth seed means absolutely nothing? That's right; the Sixers will play either the Celtics or the HEAT in the first round (both teams have the same record) regardless of what happens the final four games. With Andre Iguodala – the Sixers' best player – visibly injured and NO meaningful games left on the schedule, the Sixers should shut him down for a few games, at least. I understand peaking at the right time. I understand maintaining team chemistry. I understand the playoffs isn't the place where you'd like your best player shaking off rust. But the Sixers will be absolutely man-handled – like they were tonight – in the playoffs with a hobbled Iguodala.

Individual observations after the jump.

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  • Evan Turner finally had a good game, against a good defense, and did the majority of his damage when the game was still close. He did a little bit of everything tonight. He slithered into the paint with the crafty dribble maneuvers he dominated with at Ohio State, showed defensive versatility guarding Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green and everyone in-between, stroked a few jumpers, fought for rebounds, and made a bunch of nice passes. An all-in-all terrific game for the number two pick, and a minor sigh a relief for the BUSTians out there. The key to Turner's breakout was playing with the ball in his hands as opposed to off-the-ball. At this point in time, he's obviously both more comfortable, and more effective with the ball in his hands. With Lou out Evan was clearly the Sixers best offensive player in the half court, creating for both himself and teammates, with ease. He still has a lot of work to do in order to live up with the lofty expectations he had coming out of college, but you see the potential.
  • Jrue's the only other player worth mentioning from tonight's game, and it's not because he played well. He began the game scoring 11 quick first quarter points before hitting the bench with two fouls. From that point on he was 0-8 with at least two horrific airballs.  Not only did he miss his final eight shots, but most of them were forced and ill-advised. He also made a handful of lazy and jump-passes, resulting in three turnovers, and allowed Rajon Rondo to literally walk into the paint multiple times. 
  • Marreese Speights shot a jump shot.
  • With Lou out for the season, Andre Iguodala's leg falling off, Elton Brand playing with a fractured hand, and Antonio Daniels receiving meaningful minutes, I've re-focused my attention on Jrue, Turner, Thad, and Meeks development, at least for the final four games. 
  • Please rest Iguodala for the playoffs!
Player of the Game: Evan Turner
Up next: Knicks tomorrow


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Yeah I think we will play our guys tomorrow, but I want them to rest the last 3. We play Toronto, Orlando (who’s locked in at #4) and Detroit at home. We can afford to not play Iguodala and Brand. Especially if we win tomorrow, because we’ll have a 1.5 game lead with the tie-breaker with 3 games remaining. NY has 4 left, but 3 are on the road. @ NJ @ IND vs CHI @ BOS. Win tomorrow, rest the guys after that. The rest will be out of our hands. Finishing above .500 is preferred too but that’s just a small consolation.

by Matt3511 on Apr 5, 2011 8:37 PM PDT reply actions  

You do realize resting Iguodala will gain him absolutely nothing for the playoffs, right ?

by Derek Bodner on Apr 5, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

How does rest not help?

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Apr 5, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

His condition will need a couple months I believe to heal, and obviously we don’t have that. With that said though, sitting him out the last 3 games definitely couldn’t hurt. At least really limit his minutes. Cuz like I said, if we beat NY tomorrow we basically wrap up the 6 seed.

by Matt3511 on Apr 5, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like Jordan said below. It’s not that he will gain anything. It’s more that he won’t lose anything.

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Apr 5, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

It’s a repetitive stress injury. 2 or 3 games of extra play isn’t going to do any more damage, and resting for a week won’t do any real good. The key is going to be rest and treatment before the game. Other than that, he’s just going to have to deal with it for the remainder of the season.

by Derek Bodner on Apr 6, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even if the injury won’t heal in that time, the ability to rest and go into the playoffs with fresh legs makes resting him desirable. Andre had a difficult year and fatigue is a factor. All players improve with extra rest, as long as the layoff isn’t too long.

Even with last night’s debacle, I’d still rather the Sixers faced the Celtics and not the Heat in the first round. That’s the only reason I’d play him, just to secure that spot.

by RickoT on Apr 6, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

The chance that it would is better than what’s gained from playing him. He was moving well in the Bulls/Nets games. He looks worse every game to me.

by Jordan Sams on Apr 5, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Collins as a defensive coach, but his game management is quite questionable. He seems to have no concept of a season, only each game individually. None of the injured guys should be playing over 20 minutes

by ego on Apr 5, 2011 9:24 PM PDT reply actions  

You missed a body in your “head body head body!”

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by Michael Levin on Apr 5, 2011 9:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Bummed I missed this game. I went to the phils game tonight and watched us get killed by the mets. Happy turner played well tonight can’t wait to watch this later.

by jrb5094 on Apr 5, 2011 10:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

OT.

What’s the deal with the NBA CBA? If a new deal isn’t in place by next week, is there a real possibility of a NBA Lockout?

"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain

by soman319 on Apr 6, 2011 12:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Individual observations:
Evan Turner’s a much better sixth man than Lou Williams. It felt like we really had a guy who could command the offense.(5 AST, but given our terrible second half. Realize it could’ve been more) he made the right passes, attacked the hoop, hit the mid-range jumper, the stats don’t really show it but he outshined mostly everyone from an individual perspective.

Jrue: I thought Jrue settled for the jumper as well, but then again for a team that’s done well in regards to ball movement: There was none, no screen/rolls for Brand, no nothing. Jrue got mostly isolation shots in the second half and well we saw what became of that.

Iguodala: Notice that we got the “injury cop out”, that means he played bad which, yes he did. I honestly thought he had more shot attempts(8) then he did. But then I remember when the game was close, he honestly did next to nothing, which was better for the team when he tried to do something. He had as many AST as turnovers(3). My plea to Collins isn’t based on his achilles. Awful shot selection and awful playmaking is not to the fault of the injury. My plea is based on whether or not a guy plays good.

Collins: “Reputation” does not mean good play. You have to actually look at the guys who are on the court, if Iggy’s playing well then you play him. If he’s not, then feel free to bench him.

Similarly: Spencer Hawes actually got 14 shots as we tried to take advantage of Nenad Krstic. Unlike the Miami game, it was epic fail. He only made THREE of the fourteen shots. And on the other end, Hawes did what Hawes does: Nothing. When Hawes plays like this(normal for him), he’s not even worth spot minutes.

Thad: Thad was neutralized by Jeff Green, that and neither the Celtics or Sixers used their sharpshooters very much, with Meeks/Allen basically canceling each other out. But Thad’s effort was there, can’t complain.

We got blown out because two guys(Iggy, Hawes) who had NO RIGHT logging 32 and 28 minutes tonight, logged those minutes.

One might say: Without the Lou injury, what other choice did we have but to send out Iguodala as a wing man? Well, I rather liked Daniels(the stats won’t back me up) but in his limited playing time he’s shown a defensive game, a bit of hops and basically a guy we can thrust in there and know that the offense won’t be iso-breakdown. Let me elaborate, I like him more than the BOSS. For the boss’s breakouts aren’t exactly frequent but solid defensive play usually is.

Player of the game: Evan Turner, he honestly earned a starting spot(Iguodala’s) for the rest of the season. If Iggy is your Bobby Jones Collins, use him in that capacity. God forbid another useless 30 minutes of playing time.

by LeQuan Glover on Apr 6, 2011 1:58 AM PDT reply actions  

Can someone photoshop that picture and put a severed head in place of the basketball.

by Tron79 on Apr 6, 2011 5:40 AM PDT reply actions  

That’s a job for resident photoshopper NoceOne. Terrific idea.

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by Michael Levin on Apr 6, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ask and ye shall receive.

Check your mail!

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Apr 6, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Long time listener of LB, first time caller.

I am up in Boston, and only get to watch a few Sixers games a year (you may have seen a fan in a red Stackhouse jersey last night).

Completely agree about Evan Turner. He looked great. Very efficient. Loved, loved, loved the post-up on Rondo. Hawes, on the other hand, needed a skunk waved in front of his face last night.

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by Dave Rueter on Apr 6, 2011 6:21 AM PDT reply actions  

its frustrating how Hawes fluctuates from young decent big man with potential to terrible unathletic waste of space

by Tron79 on Apr 6, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Holiday, Meeks, Iguodala, Young, Brand, & Hawes shot 8-35 in the 2nd half

by The Legend on Apr 6, 2011 6:32 AM PDT reply actions  

looks like it was a team effort to replace BOSS’ production

by Tron79 on Apr 6, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

After a 50 game stretch of winning ball, the team is only 7-8 over their last 15. This includes a few impressive wins and really pathetic losses. So after their terrible start and inspiring recovery… they have settled into being mediocre and banged up. Sort of stumbling to the finish line while taking on water.

Reminds me a lot of the Sixers teams from 2 and 3 years ago. Sort of peaked in February when the rest of the league was sleepwalking through the long NBA season. And I’m not sure how this team can get back to where their play was a month ago- especially with Brand and Iguodala being walking wounded. They really need some of the younger, healthier guys to start carrying the load.

by tk76 on Apr 6, 2011 7:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Good to see Turner play well in the toughest court in all of the NBA against one of the best defensive teams. Hopefully this is boosts his confidence and encourages him to take the ball to the basket more for layups and for drawing fouls (he leads rookies in free throw%). i think one of the bigger things we’re missing from lou williams is the amount of times he got to the line, maybe Turner will help fill in that void.

I hope we do not play Boston in the playoffs. I have very little faith we can steal one in the Garden against a team of that caliber. Miami is more vulnerable, and we match up better with them. Lets hope Miami doesn’t catch up to the Celtics so we can see them in the playoffs.

by Tj Singh on Apr 6, 2011 8:02 AM PDT reply actions  

Miami is quite possibly our toughest matchup of the top teams.

Injured igoudala guarding lebron. Meeks “guarding” wade. Jrue cant do much better.
Bosh has length on brand. The center positions are a wash. Also, miami can play small with us.

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by jefu on Apr 6, 2011 8:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jefu: But on the contrary, they trot out Erick Dampier and Mike Bibby. Miami can’t play small, LeBron might be 6’8 but he’s no hybrid wing ALA Thad. If he were, he’d be a much more scarier player and he’s scary as it is.

Miami has no size and no PG play. They also have spot shooters but no one in the mode of a Meeks/Allen, etc. Miami is the far easier matchup that you can’t suggest otherwise.

by LeQuan Glover on Apr 6, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol Lebron is like the scariest hybrid wing ever

by jrb5094 on Apr 6, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Miami can’t play small
Miami has no size

Don’t you mean, Miami can’t play big?

by Ben16 on Apr 6, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t think even he knows what he means.

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by EREX21 on Apr 6, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

hey, small is a size.

DTMWTD

by alcatraz0109 on Apr 6, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is true.

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by Michael Levin on Apr 6, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re joking, right?

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Apr 6, 2011 11:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not saying Miami is an easy matchup

But do you guys honestly think we have a better chance beating the Celtics? Remember, we were dominating Miami for a half not too long ago (in their house) before Wade and Lebron took over. Yes, I know they can do that anytime, but the way the Celtics play is more consistent and efficient than the way Miami plays. Don’t get me wrong, if we do play the Heat we have a very slim chance in advancing. I’m just saying Boston is almost impossible to beat in a 7 game series, especially since they have home court advantage. (Name one place tougher to play on the road than Boston)

by Tj Singh on Apr 6, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

easy on the "Boss" insults

Longtime listener, first time caller here as well.

the hatred for Lou here sometimes is just baffling. To me its one of the thing that keeps this from being a blog i would take more seriously if some of the writers weren’t so impartial towards/against certain players. It’s made this a blog where its the status quo to hate certain players who play for OUR team. Lou is what he is (a scorer) and honestly, he worked pretty hard to become that. there was a time when we didn’t know if he could play in this league (his rookie D-league stint) in this era of me-first players and inflated egos how many players would have blown team chemistry to to high heaven had they lost their starting job after a career year?

Plenty! thats how many. instead Lou totally buys in because he wants to win and he knows there’s a younger player who’s a better PG than he is. that doesn’t happen much folks. as much as i cringe EVERYTIME lou lets even the most pedestrian screen totally separate him from his man (if there’s a worse navigator of screens on D, i’ve yet to see him) he’s given us double figures off the bench for three straight years and he’s the best ISO player we have and he has enough respect from officials to go to the line. do i want more plays called late in games? SURE. but there’s a reason collins COACHES this team and we write on message boards. STAY IN YOUR LANE, PEOPLE. we may not agree with everything he does (a puppy dies every time Evan doesn’t play 20 minutes) but he’s brought this team back to relevance much faster than everyone thought.

Lou fills his role and let’s not even get into the off-the-court stuff. first guy to consistently make sure rookies keep their heads up? you guessed it…“Boss”. who’s the best alternative to create a shot? Jrue? right now Lou’s a better scorer. Dre? I love him to death but he’s the guy an elite player LOVES playing with..not the last shot guy. (and no perimeter player with 5+ years should be shooting less than 75% from the FT line. SORRY) Lou’s the best shot creator until Jrue and Even mature…deal with it.

by Kushmir on Apr 6, 2011 12:49 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree that he gets too much hate. He’s one of the best 6th men in the league, and most teams would love to have him. He’s instant offense, and he’s productive more often than not. He’s won us many games, while losing us far less. He isn’t a prototypical go to guy obviously, but we don’t have one on our team. Even Jason Terry gets the ball for Dallas late when they have Dirk. And I feel Lou is comparable to the jet. He deserves hate when he plays bad like everyone else, but he doesn’t get enough credit when it’s due.

by Matt3511 on Apr 6, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Sixers lost last night because they failed to execute on offense. Part of this is the Celtics defense, but the Sixers have shown the ability to get good shots against them in previous games. There was a lack of discipline on the offensive end of the court, and it fed into the Celtics getting easy baskets.

The team seems tired to me, Elton, Andre, Thad, Spencer, all of them except for Evan just aren’t playing at the same level they were. Maybe they were saving themselves for the Knicks or maybe they’re a little burned out. They seem to oscillate between good offensive execution and poor execution. Often times when the team needs an offensive spark the one who provided it is LOU WILLIAMS. I’m not saying that with his we would have won, but it would have helped.

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