John Hollinger calls Jrue Holiday "The Jruth"
I'd be a little more excited if he didn't shortchange Holiday's triple-dub, but still like his taste in nicknames.
"I'd be a little more enthusiastic if it wasn't the pathetic 11-10-10 variety of triple-double. I agree that The Jruth is one of the league's most promising young guards, but let's not cue up the Jason Kidd comparisons just yet."
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Just curious...
…how any performance including 11 assists and 10 rebounds (for a 6’4 guard) could be called “pathetic.”
Oh yeah…he didn’t score 20 points :D
Keep the same stats but change the name on the stat line from Jrue to [Wade, LeBron, Bosch, Rondo, Kobe, Kidd, etc. etc] and Hollinger would have blown a load.
I never knew Hollinger posted regularly on here…next thing you know, he’ll be putting “bucket=stop=bucket” in his columns.
It’s part of the PER equation.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
1. Did someone on this site come up with the Jruth? I can’t remember.
2. Never heard a trip-dub described as “pathetic”.
1. I thought that this site was the originator of the nickname. Wasn’t he the one who said “…can’t handle the Jruth” on draft day. There is a fanshot of the video on this site, i believe (I’ll look).
2. Haters gonna hate.
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Yea I got a video of him doing it at the draft lottery last year.
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Call me a romantic but I think it was Tanner.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ur a romantic. But alas, I can’t take credit for the name, just the video.
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 2:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure why everyone’s against Hollinger, with the exception of his calling Holiday’s triple-D “pathetic” he seems to be in agreement: Screw the games, we don’t need to watch actual performances, we have advanced statstics now.
Hollinger: The MVP is the “most valuable player”, and outside of your advanced stats there’s actually a game being played. In this case, without Allen Iverson where are the 01’ 76ers? Most likely, where we are today if not a borderline lottery team.
Without Shaq? The Lakers would be fine, KB24 in his prime could easily carry a team.
For a more present example Hollinger, Kevin Durant doubled the Thunder’s win total from 25 to 50, while LeBron’s Cavs had a -5 in the win column.
Who won the MVP? Yeah….
That’s because watching the games are so totally pointless now and days.
Injuries have to be considered a factor, no doubt LeBron was valuable, but he wasn’t 40 or so wins valuable. He’d have to be freaking in-prime MJ+ Shaq to do something like that.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 3, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
and Durant’s not the only reason for that spike in win totals either – that team played unbelievably well defensive and add in the emergence of Russ Westbrook. Jeff Green is probably also better than most teammates LeBron had on that Cavs team.
LeBron was clearly the MVP last season – no question
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
May the record show that in each of the two years, Durant was significantly inferior to LeBron via advanced statistics.
Now, you claimed in that 3rd year, it wasn’t just Durant, it was Westbrook and Green. They certainly are very good players. But I argue that the basketball community highly over-rates Westbrook. I don’t see Westbrook as a Derrick Rose-level talent, considering Rose still has far less to work with than Westbrook. Rose has Boozer and that’s it and please don’t try to cite Noah’s name as an offensive weapon. Great player, but due to different reasons not named offense. Rose doesn’t have a Durant, a Green or a Harden coming off the bench.
In this his 3rd year, Durant nearly matched LeBron point for point, bucket for bucket, board for board. Becoming a pure FT Shooter at 90% while he was at it. And the advanced statistics back up the normal statistics claim, Durant had a superstar level season and continued that into the Olympics.
Durant made his team-mates better, not the other way around. And he was the center piece of a team that won 25 more games then it did a year ago.
Durant obviously won MVP, to say otherwise would cheapen A.I’s win in 2001. The reason LeBron won MVP is because he’s pretty much the chosen one. It doesn’t matter that a Durant is playing up to his level and completely transforming his team. He ain’t on Sportscenter 24/7, hes not a highlight reel machine. And he doesn’t talk trash.
Sad, but true, as long as Media Perception exists fellow basketball fans, Durant, nor anybody else will ever win an MVP. Insofar and long as LeBron remains in the league.
Sickening.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 3, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
For the same reason, Derrick Rose SHOULD win the MVP. Will he? Not as long as King James is in the league.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 3, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
comparing Westbrook to Rose has nothing to do with this, why bring it up? LeBron had Mo Williams and Anderson Varajeo, Durant had Westbrook and Green. Derrick Rose has absolutely nothing to do with it. Just because you think Westbrook isn’t as good as Derrick Rose doesn’t devalue how much better he is than anything LeBron had.
And asking LeBron to improve that Cavs team from 66 wins? Are you serious? Look where they are now. LeBron didn’t have the opportunity Durant had to improve the win totals that year. If the roles were swtiched, LeBron would have taken that team to higher than the 8 seed they ended up with.
Just stop.
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Comparing Westbrook to Rose has nothing to do with this, why bring it up?
Because people think of Westbrook as this super elite talent, which he isn’t. He’s a combo guard, a very good one but nevertheless, his improvements aren’t the X-Factor+ to the Thunder success last year. A factor certainly, but not an X-factor.
And asking LeBron to improve that Cavs team from 66 wins, are you serious?
Where did I say he ever had to improve that? For LeBron, it was then improving upon himself as a player. Keep in mind, in that 66 win season LeBron carried his team through the playoffs with an unbelievably mind numbing performance. In the year in question, well, we know the rest. The so-called “injury”, his not playing up to his standards by far
Finally, you say if the roles were switched, LeBron would have taken that team higher than the 8th seed they ended up with. A 50 Win team would and STILL would be a top-4 seed in the pathetic Eastern Conference LeBron enjoys and he only made it weaker.
Kevin Durant could’ve done the same thing but he didn’t, he chose to fight through the Western Conference giants and one day will probably put the Thunder on the top.
And probably at the same time, LeBron will have another MVP.
Disgusting, but then it’s your “opinion” no matter how falsely based it is.
Durant’s Thunder faced 10 X the competition LeBron’s heat or Cavs did/do.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 4, 2011 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
what?
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
Because people think of Westbrook as this super elite talent, which he isn’t
nobody brought that up but good try. all that was said that he’s far better than anything LeBron had to work with.
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2011 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree, Mo Williams isn’t THAT far off. Certainly not the defender a Westbrook is, and Westy is a better PG but when it’s all said and done they are combo guards.
They didn’t win 40 games on LeBron James, they were a good team. And certainly, they aren’t as bad as they’ve looked. That’s what’s called injuries and lacking a true PG. The roster was built around LeBron. Sure, maybe not Wade/Bosh but I don’t see them on pace for 60 wins.
Could Ferry have done a better job? Absolutely, Ferry rushed the building process but he had no choice, LeBron held a gun to his head and when the Bosh/Wade opportunity presented itself, he jumped ship.
How would you have handled some boss player and his gangster friends threatening you and your operations that he’d leave ship. Try to point to the Kobe situation if you will, but the situation never really escalated. Kobe never made it bigger than it was, he made the demand then played ball. And he has two titles to show for it.
LeBron and his crew have nothing to show for it. They’ve destroyed Cleveland and are pinning their hopes this superfriends thing works.
Because if it doesn’t, what an underachieving career. I’d also like to note after I point out how much better Durant’s competition is and was, you completely ignored it.
Real basketball and not fanboyism, determined Durant had the far better year. Green and Westbrook and Ibaka definately stepped up, but Durant led the charge and your dissing him for somebody who already won MVP and therefore, if he was to win it again, needed to do something to reaffirm he was/is the league’s best player.
He didn’t, and this summer he only affirmed why only in talent alone is he a franchise player.
The Heat started winning when Wade became that team’s captain on and off the floor. Go figure, because the other two(Bron/Bosh) haven’t enjoyed or understood much of playoff success.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 4, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
Try to point to the Kobe situation if you will, but the situation never really escalated. Kobe never made it bigger than it was, he made the demand then played ball. And he has two titles to show for it.
Apparently you forgot about the 2007 playoffs when Kobe decided to ignore his teammates then give up in the 2nd half of game 7 of the first round. Or when he publicly insulted Andrew Bynam and Phil Jackson.
Yup. Kobe never made it a big deal. He treated the situation with class and was rewarded for it.
Not that it, or anything you posted, had anything to do with the fact that LeBron played better than Durant.
I don’t blame him for Bynum, he’s holding back Gasol and ultimately this Lakers team. They need a hybrid 4, like a Jamison. Jamison would fit well in the Triangle and it’s roughly similar to the Princeton. Bynum is just too much of the same, big body in the post.
I got it, Bron will ALWAYS win MVP. It’s hopeless to even consider another possibility.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 5, 2011 3:33 AM PST up reply actions
In this his 3rd year, Durant nearly matched LeBron point for point, bucket for bucket, board for board.
You seemed to have missed a statistic that LeBron absolutely dominated Durant in.
assists = not important for wing players = stop = bucket
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 7:06 PM PST up reply actions
ah just absolutely missed everything, he is making my head hurt reading all this. I’m going back to my yuengling… I will say that a) I knew Lequan was like mainstream basketball fans that think Lebron sucks and worships the ground Kobe walks on and b) glad the rest of you guys seem to respect Lebron, I’m obviously a sixer fan but Lebron is my favorite player and it really infuriates me how people don’t respect his game.
I still think Lebron handled the whole “Decision” thing poorly (I don’t mind that he left, just the way he went about it) but no one can deny how talented he is and how much of an impact he has on a team.
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You dont seem to get it. You need both statistics and game observations…and by game observations i mean intelligent, objective, accurate observations.
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by jefu on Feb 3, 2011 3:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Ahhh so many things wrong with this…
by jrb5094 on Feb 3, 2011 4:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dweed- doesnt LB have some sort of trademark rights or copyright?
Lets sue that PATHETIC blasphemor.
He is our house lawyer. TK is the doc, and Tanner is the village idiot.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 3, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
True dat!
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 3, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
We have copyright protection. The material is copyright-protected the moment it’s written, and in the case of Internet material, published online. More generally, copyright protection kicks in when the material is put into some sort of public distribution forum. In the past, mailing a tape of a song to yourself, for example, was considered sufficient public distribution to afford the song copyright protection.
On the other hand, if you really want to sue Hollinger (and I would, just because I think he’s kind of a schmuck), it’s best to register the material with the Library of Congress. Of course, then you would have to prove some sort of actual harm was done by Hollinger’s use of the term you’ve copywritten.
Intellectual property law isn’t my forte, but that’s the basics in a situation like this.
I would have to know a little more to determine who would legally be considered the actual owner of the material in this case, the LB owners or Sportsblogs, Inc. It’s based on whatever agreement Jordan & Co. have with them to publish LB.
Wow. Thanks. I can use that for something else I have done. Where do I send the check? Or 6pack?
The harm was only done to psyche and furtherance of the ulcers I get from reading comments like that.
Probably won’t stand up in court? :)
Although I’m sure you’ve seen MORE frivoulous suits.
by shova on Feb 4, 2011 6:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well, you did read it of your own volition. No one held a gun to your head and made you read Hollinger, and in fact it could be said that you should have anticipated that his article would irritate the crap out of you, since everything he writes is irritating crap. :)
I’m not a litigator, a fact for which I am most grateful, so I don’t have to deal with frivolous lawsuits, in general. Usually, the most annoying stuff I have to deal with are suits from small creditors feeling like they aren’t being properly prioritized in restructuring plans.
Bright line test or totality of circumstances approach?
by dp on Feb 3, 2011 6:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Totality of facts and circumstances. You have to look to the facts to answer a few questions:
1) Is the material considered copyright material?
- Was it an original piece of creative work? Joking aside, I’m not 100% positive a slogan would be covered, although judges tend to be pretty liberal about this kind of thing.
- Was the material placed into a forum that would be considered public distribution? Again, it’s judicial discretion here, with the precedents being very liberal in general. If mailing something to yourself is considered public distribution, pretty much anything is.
2) If the material is considered to be covered under the tests in 1), did the owner of the copyright suffer actual harm?
- Unfortunately, other than Hollinger being really annoyingly smug and self-satisfied, I’m pretty sure no one suffered any harm from his infringement of copyright. You would have to prove financial loss, since copyright infringement isn’t a tort case. Suing him for damages on a mental anguish theory would have to be a separate action, since the mental pain and anguish comes from reading Hollinger, not from his use of “the Jruth.”
Where I come from, triple doubles aren’t pathetic. Its a triple double. But that’s just me.
Random Thought: If a crappy team could have an NBA MVP, its Kevin Love and the Wolves. Or…?
I wouldn’t mind seeing Durant get MVP. He pulled the Thunder past the Hornets, and he’s been doing that all season. His shooting stroke is silky smooth.
Rose is a hardworking consistent guy too, I’d vote for him. Nowitzki third.
Pathetic
The sixers just do not get any respect. If you go to yahoo sports and see the replay highlights of a game, they always highlight the other team. Even if the the sixers win, it is the other team that lost game. Instead of the sixers beating there opponent. If you go to the draft exxpress, the draft exxpress hightlight best and worst player a college basketball player can become.. Every single sixers is a worst player.
I’m all for more pathetic triple doubles…
BTW, asked this trivia question at DF yesterday:
Name the 8 players in NBA history to average 7.5 reb and 7.5 asst for a season.
Oscar Robertson, LeBron, and Magic Johnson are the easy ones.
After that I can only think of Jason Kidd then my mind draws a blank.
Lebron failed to make the list. He has individual years of 7.5 asst and reb, but no season where he has both.
Kidd, Magic and Oscar are correct. That accounts for 11 or the 20 total seasons.
There are 5 more to be named…
Smush Parker!
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 4, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions
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