2011 NBA Trade Deadline: Sixers' Rumor Thread
by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 7:41 AM PST
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PrintThis is your trade deadline day thread to discuss all nonsensicalities and hullabaloo. We'll stop by and update it with any significant (or insignificant) links and stuff.
So far all we have is this video interview of Rod Thorn, where he says:
I think we'll do something, but it won't be major.
and
If we can add a big player who might be able to help us, we'd certainly look at that.
Update (10:30 AM): According to Ken Berger of CBS Sports, Andre Iguodala is still off the table. According to the biting Matt Moore, "Because, really, a three-week win streak is what you want to make decisions off of." Hopefully, as Jordan said, off the table still means listening to offers if they come their way. Also, Reggie Evans is apparently available. Meh.
Update (11:55 AM): Adrian Wojnarowski confirms earlier report, claiming Iguodala is "out of play". Also says Kapono will likely be bought out. Tom Moore informs us no Sixers were held out of practice.
Update(s) (3:05 PM): ~Derek
- The Celtics traded Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson to the Thunder for Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic. I didn't know Perkins was available for a poor defensive, poor rebounding, SF playing PF. We have one of those.
- The Rockets traded Shane Battier to the Grizzlies for Hasheem Thabeet and a first round pick. Wow.
- The Suns have traded Goran Dragic and a 1st round pick for Aaron Brooks.
Update (3:25): O.J. Mayo to the Pacers for McRoberts and a first. ~Derek
Update (3:54): Marc Stein says the Sixers and Rockets were in "deep" discussions – Battier for Speights and Kapono.
We also have these two articles from Kate Fagan. Enjoy the final hours on the trade machine, and try not to hurt each other.
For inspiration, here's a picture I took one time of the sunrise in Israel after hiking up Masada before dawn.
That is not my head. Inspired?
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In an unrelated comment, Chad Ford quotes someone in the Clippers front office as saying they included their first in the Baron Davis, Mo Williams swap shows how much the Clippers “hate this draft”
Getting a nice role player like Faried in the mid first isn’t looking so bad at this point.
Been scouting Damian Saunders quite a bit, and man…get this kid a shot coach and he’s got a spot on my roster. Kid’s an NBA level perimeter defender. Get Chris Singleton or Jordan Hamilton with the first, Saunders with the second, and somehow acquire another late first/early second and get Faried, and I’ll be tickled pink (considering my lowering expectations the more I scout this draft class).
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 24, 2011 3:07 AM PST up reply actions
Big fan of Saunders. Shot and decision-making needs a good amount of work though. He seems like the guy in the 2nd round nobody will know about and Landry Fields his way to a solid career.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 6:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah. His forays to the hoops can be adventurous. He also has no right hand. Hopefully, with good coaching and a reduced role, the shot selection improves.
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 24, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
I’m pretty high on him. A stronger Chris Bosh for me. Not as crafty of a finisher yet.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions
That’s a great deal for Cleveland, B-Diddy’s a talent, a malcontented one but nevertheless you’ve got to start somewhere. But more importantly is that pick. Between that pick and theirs, I don’t care how much hate this draft’s getting, these are kids that can maybe help a team down the road.
As for LA, what player in his right mind even a dumb one like Mo Williams would use his ETO? To pal up with his buddy LeBron in Miami or something? While there are some who believe this year’s version of Lou Williams is actually worth something, I tend to disagree. Chucking “combo guards” are a dime a dozen. Mo Williams won’t command much, especially in the face of the new CBA and he can’t be that dumb.
If he is, power to the Clippers but most likely they screwed themselves.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
I’m almost surprised there aren’t people on here claiming that Cleveland just became better than the Sixers by making this trade. The last few days, it seems like any team that made a trade is automatically better than us merely by virtue of having made a trade, even if the trade wasn’t that great. Like, “OMG!!!! Toronto just traded for James Johnson!! They’re going to catch up to us now!!! We have to trade Iguodala for a second-round pick right NOW!!! OMG!!!”
OMG CLEVELAND IS BETTER THAN US!
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t really get the trade at all, saves them some money, and they get a young PG in Mo but they do have Bledsoe so it’s not like they weren’t getting younger.
They should have tried to trade Baron for expiring contracts.
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Mo has a player option for the next two years so he could feasibly opt out. On a rising team like the clips though, I doubt it. And they get Jamario Moon, who has a team option for next year and will be exciting playing basketball without any gravity with Blake.
Not sure why Cleveland does it but at least they get a first rounder out of the deal.
I’d do anything as long as I get a first rounder back. Anything.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess that makes sense. I agree that Mo is most likely not going to opt out. I wouldn’t. Not if I am on a team with Gordon, Griffin, Jordan and Aminu.
I agree about the first rounder.
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Mo’s YOUNG? He’s 28, I’ll give you “in his prime”, but young?
And I’m sorry, he’s not a great player and calling him even a good player is a stretch.
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/2178/mo-williams
He’s averaging 13/7, not bad…On 38% shooting, OUCH. And on 3 TPG, even more ouch. This is a 2006-2008 Iguodala-esque stat line. So if you want an example of what I classify as over-rated, this is it. A stats-player, that certainly didn’t help his team win.
Case in point, is if Mo was such an impactful player, he would’ve played more than 3 minutes in the upset over the Lakers. Granted, Iggy is ten times better than Mo. But they’re similar in their inflated stats creating an inflated impression of them.
Mo’s a chucker, and a typical 6’1 guard that can’t defend, and he can’t even shoot anymore it seems.
Can we please stop calling decent/good players better than what they are? It’s all i ask.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know why you’re responding to me. I didn’t say the word “young” or come close to calling him a great player. Do you just make up things to respond to then find a way to relate it to your irrational opinions of Iguodala?
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
I enjoy this current Sixers team much more when I stop thinking about the deadline and what other teams are doing.
Its a fun team to watch- and I guess at some point you have to just enjoy the games and hope that somehow the big picture stuff falls into place (since I can’t think of what the should do anyway.)
OMG!! TRADE IGUODALA FOR A SECOND ROUND PICK!!!! HE SUCKS AND WE CAN DRAFT 1ST!!! WE MUST MAKE TRAAAADES OR LOSE FOREVER!@!!!!
You wonder how all these teams making trades are going to do with their new players. Miami might be alright, but I don’t think they’re going to beat Boston or LA or SA. The Knicks? They are suddenly an NBA2K11 contender, but I don’t know that they are in the elite of the league or anything. They still can’t defend worth a crap, and they’re built around two guys who constantly need the ball in their hands, with no depth whatsoever. The Nets? Deron Williams will make them suck slightly less, and bolt next year (he has no desire to be in NJ).
It’s easy to get excited when your team is dealing, because it looks like you’re doing something, even if the something might be a little bit stupid. It’s just as easy to get hysterical when your team is not dealing, because it looks like your team doesn’t care about improving.
The thing is, there was no trade that would have made any sort of sense, “basketball” or otherwise, to be made. We’ve all spent weeks on the Trade Machine, and every single trade that I saw was either ridiculous, a case of us bending over just to make a trade, or a sort of window dressing deal where Tha BOSS was sent to play for the Vladivostok Vultures of the Russian League Second Division for a few cases of vodka, just for my sanity’s sake, or we sent the Donger and Krapono someplace for a decent rotation player (who most likely wasn’t available, at least not for Donger’s and Krapono’s expiring contracts), or something. There was no blockbuster available for Iguodala, where we would have received any sort of value for him (meaning a combination of young talent, draft picks – preferably multiple picks, and cap relief). I wasn’t satisfied with the Portland deal, even though I know other people loved it. I don’t have any great passion for Batum (he seems like an OK player, I guess), and they weren’t throwing in a first-round pick (if they had, I might have been more excited about it).
I know this is not what we want to hear, especially after being mediocre for so long, but I’m afraid we have to still be patient. Everything, by necessity, is building for the Brand Horizon. Until Brand is gone (as well as he has played this year), nothing major is going to happen. I expect, assuming something even remotely similar to the current CBA happens, and expiring contracts retain a level of value, Brand will start becoming very interesting to some teams next year, particularly if he can maintain his current level of play.
Or go root for the Nets, at least they are making trades, so they must be contenders!!!
Just because everyone else is making stupid deals (and make no mistake, most of these deals are stupid…one side of the deal is generally getting prison-raped), does that mean we have to make stupid deals just to say we’re making stupid deals like everyone else? Didn’t our mothers ever ask us “If all your friends jumped off the bridge, would you jump off the bridge, too?”
If you wait for the “Brand Horizon” You’ll end up with the 2008 Sixers. You’ve got Jrue/ET, but then what? You have to take the first move even if it means you’ll get less in return.
Hell, is it such a guarantee that we re-sign Jrue Holiday if we just wait out Brand? Why would Jrue want to resign here in the first place? To be assured we don’t make an ’08 screw up? The same bucket of bolts is in the Administration.
Players chase money, but Jrue’s not that type of guy. He has morals and he likes playing the game. And winning is probably more important to him then draining every single cent out of a franchise. So it’s not a case of overbidding.
And as we saw with the big 3 of Bosh-Wade-LeBron, it wasn’t all about the money. Do you know how many millions Melo gave up in NY, rather than Denver?
No doubt, they’re still making a lot of money. But for them, in their shoes and situation they are indeed taking massive paycuts just to win. You WISH we had this in the early 21st century where A.I/Kobe/Shaq got massive cap killing deals.
This is the new NBA dweebs, where management will actually have to compete for players. And have to show a commitment to their team, their finances and their players.
And on all fronts, management is completely and utterly inept. Mostly due to their(and this fanbase’s), gross over-rating of the guys wearing this sixers uniform.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
The new CBA will destroy the Nets and the Knicks, they’ll have their superstars and not enough money to complete their roster. Meanwhile the Sixers will have plenty of expirings and a load of talent, even if none of them are quite equal to Stoudamire, Anthony or Williams.
You don’t want the best player at all positions in the NBA, no team could afford that with the salary cap. You want all your players near the top 5 in their positions. That way you can afford to pay them all and have a higher talent level.
Dweeb’s point about thinking that doing anything makes a team better is acting stupidly, but you want to go on being stupid thinking that anything would have been better. But then again, you keep complaining about Iguodala too.
No one out there that was available would make this team into a contender. No trade out there would have made the team better now or in the future. Therefore doing nothing was the smart move!
Even if the current CBA were to be extended as it is, the Knikerbockers could not afford to add a third superstar type player without a trade of some sort and they have very few assets left to do that. Mr Dolan over paid both Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony while in Miami Pat Riley got 3 guys to take pay cuts to build a core.
The Nets and the Knickerbockers however are not in the same boat. The Nets problem is they have very few legitimate type assets to persuade Deron Williams to stay. Brooke Lopez is a soft center who rebounds poorly and the best assets of the rest of the players seem to be the women they are dating and/or married to.
The Nets still have time, and some assets, to maneuver to create cap room or make a deal. The Knickerbockers are in an entirely different problem area.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Bucher said Portland has Oden on the table. I wonder what it would take to get him even though he wouldn’t play this year.
Doesn’t Oden have an expiring contract?
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You’re trading for him for his bird rights and restricted free agency status (assuming that carries over to the next CBA).
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 24, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions
Keep checking the original story here — we’ll be updating it throughout the day. TANKS
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Can't believe I'm saying this but look out for the Clippers
with Kaman and Mo Williams coming off the books after next year. They’ll have money to spend. Plus with big men like Griffin and Jordan (a guy the sixers tried to move up in the second round to get but fell short) maybe just maybe they could convince a D-Will or a CP3 to sign. What PG wouldn’t want to through Alley Oops to those guys??
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6153972
Talks of players moving away from small market teams (nothing new.)
Can you name trades/signings where a desirable, high profile player went from a big market to a smaller one?
Of the top of my head, I can only think of when Shaq was traded from LA to MIA.
What’s so special about .500? Can anyone tell me what makes that number so damn special to Comcast, is it the two home playoff games?
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
They see “playoffs” and they get a dumb glazed look in their eyes, drooling ensues and a loud “duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh” is emitted from their mouth.
They like to disguise mediocrity with playoff aspirations. lol
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
We’re in the same conference as the following:
Celtics
Heat
Bulls
Magic
Knicks
Hawks
Nets(with Deron and believe me, Deron will re-up. There’s too much talent in NJ for him to pass it up. There’s no one with cap-space with the youth NJ has and with the ambitious ownership).
The writing is on the wall, IT’S been on the wall. The only reason we’re not a lottery team is that the East is still bad enough that the aforementioned teams, Magic, Knicks,Hawks have weaknesses you can exploit. So it’s possible to steal games from those contenders. And including ourselves, god knows how many awful east teams there are with no future.
Bucks? Pacers? Bobcats? Yeah. It’s entirely possible to be .500 and be god awful doing it.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Philadelphia 76ers. And the clueless inept morons running it.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions
Believe me, Deron won’t re up.
What other talent is in NJ? Lopez? That’s it. The rest was just sent to Utah.
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They’ll give him a fat contract — I think he’ll stay there.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions
I think he ends up in Dallas.
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Prokhorov vs. Cuban oh my
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
The Nets can not offer Deron Williams an extension until the new CBA is in place. This is a very calculated risk by the new Nets owner. They have a year to convince him to stay and put other pieces around him. It’s almost ludicrous for anyone to assert that there’s enough talent around him at this point to warrant signing a long term deal.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
The Celtics are old, Miami hasn’t won anything. Orlando is over the Cap this year. The Bulls play in an easier division and we are better than them and the Hawks. The Nets and the Knicks have just killed themselves because the new CBA will kill their chances to fill out their roster.
Nothing we could have done this season would make us the equal of the Celtics, or the Heat. But by developing our young players and building a team, Collins now has them playing at better than a .600 clip.
Phila. will be a more attractive place for players and they will have more money than NJ or NY to spend. Players like to win and they like to play for winning teams. The Sixers were a young team that is turning into a good one. The management is doing the best job possible, with the exception of failing to give this team enough size up front. Collins is exacerbating that problem by keeping Speights on the bench.
The Knicks are only a .500 team and have been playing that way all season. Watch the Sixers catch and pass them for the sixth seed and watch NY lose to Miami in the first round and NJ miss the playoffs.
The one that’s clueless is you.
by RickoT on Feb 24, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The sixers as currently constructed could not beat the Celtics, Heat, Magic, Bulls in the playoffs in a 7 game series.
You are correct, the Celtics are old, but the sixers are old at two vital positions, starting power forward (with no one of any seriousness ascendant) and head coach (who history indicates will not last more than two or three seasons).
The heat have not won anything, that is also true, but it would be foolish to say the Heat are not good because they have not won a title yet. They are better at their core than the sixers are now and even if Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner max out potential in a year or so, well the heat still have Dwyane Wade and Lebron James, which is a better duo.
I understand that people want to look at how good the sixers have played recently, but all the games count. The 3-13 start counts, it can not be ignored to say the sixers are a basketball team that will win sixty percent of its games. They have gone on similar runs in previous seasons not coached by Eddie Jordan.
In addition, the sixers are currently starting two players who most likely should not start on a serious contending team. They have no back up center of any reliability, and the bench while tremendous in scoring lacks the kind of role players (defensive stopper, three-point sniper) that a championship team requires.
More importantly, the sixers seem to lack a dedicated ownership committed to winning being the priority
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
The Sixers are on their way to respectability, Miami and Boston bought and traded their way to it. I’m not discounting the early season problems, but with a new coach and a team that didn’t know how to play, he’s turned them into a better team than they’ve been in years with less talent than last season.
Management hasn’t had many opportunities with other teams willing to go over the salary cap to win. There are few players available that the Sixers need. I think with the number of NBA caliber players on the team all signed to their rookie contracts or at least not overly bad ones that the team is well positioned to make trades when the other teams in the division will be in decline or unable to complete themselves.
They knew they needed a good teaching coach and they got one. They know a new CBA will make the deals signed now a real problem next season. They have lots of old players to get rid of and young players all fighting for PT and winning.
Give them time and another player or two and they’ll be right there.
I do not understand the distaste of how teams get their. As a fan, I only care if my team is poised to win a championship. I do not care if it involves trades that take advantage of another team (Pau Gasol to the Los Angeles Lakers) the acquisition of young talent and the ability to swap that for superstars on bad teams (the Boston Celtics) or creating a super team via free agency (Miami Heat). All I care about as a fan is winning titles.
The sixers are on their way to being a team that wins 50% of their games, dependent on the continued development of Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner and no drop off from Andre Iguodala andElton Brand because there is no one behind them to pick up the slack.
All four of those things happening seems unlikely
You said they need another player or two and time. What two players can they get and how much time do they have left before a third player will be needed because Elton Brand is at the end of his productive years?
They need a starting center (and a back up center)
They need a 3 point sniper on the bench. I suppose you could say that once Evan Turner is ready to start that Jodie Meeks becomes that.
They need a defensive minded person off the bench. Andre Iguodala is great but he can not guard Wade and James or Rose and Noah or whatever duo the sixers face. Another defensive player is needed.
It does not seem like me that it is just two players and time nor does it seem like spare assets are available to add those two players anyway.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
All very valid concerns, and indeed all very valid holes.
We don’t have a 5, we don’t have a future 4. We already do have that sniper off the bench. You’re slightly off there. We need a 3PT shooter from either the guard or the forward spot, so as to co-exist with Holiday/Turner in the starting lineup.
We obviously need more defense on the bench. To make our bench truly lethal, we need defensive guys that can co-exist with our benchies. Lou, Thad, Speights can burn guys but also be burned.
Those are ALOT, ALOT of needs. You recognize this, I recognize this. and every fan that doesn’t attend a 76ers game recognizes this.
The problem, is that these guys here(and most importantly, management above) OVERVALUES the guys on our roster.
Let’s put their overvaluing into perspective, they actually thought they could get a legit big for Thaddeus Young. As much as I love Young, we haven’t exactly put him in a position to succeed or at worst, pump up his trade value.
Andre Iguodala is a starter, if we went from grades A-D, I’d say he’s a B+ and at times borderlining on C. Very good or at worst average. How’s that Canton bound? Because Pippen happens to have the same stats, and if you nitpick Iguodala has some advanced statistical advantages
When Iguodala gets elected to the Hall, I’ll be the first to go to his ceremony. That’s how MUCH I doubt it.
Rebuilding would be a god send, albeit we’ll have to wait for another 4-1 or sweep result for these clowns to get the message
IF the likes of Dweebs, Derek and most importantly Stefanski/Thorn EVER get it.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Unless you are talking about Jodie Meeks, the sixers do not have a 3 point shooter off the bench of any reliability and even Jodie Meeks is not that reliable. He is a bit too streaky for my liking but I was a big fan of Kyle Korvers shooting ability.
I believe from what I have read today that you grossly under value the sixers. You, like many Seventy-Sixer fans who post in other places, have no appreciate for Andre Iguodala whatsoever.
I can not take seriously the opinions of anyone who expresses such disdain for the best player on the Seventy-Sixers roster and the best individual defender (wing category) in the league. It demonstrates to me a fundamental lack of understanding of how to build a basketball team that is complete in all aspects of the game.
It is not a personal thing but I believe we have fundamental differences in how a basketball roster should be built towards winning a championship and see no common ground for discussion.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Defense is one part of the game, an important part of the game but one part. If your stance had any significance, which it doesn’t. It would prove itself in the most important statistic: Wins.
The burden of proof is on a management that has the same thoughts as you do, and the record shows mediocrity.
Doesn’t it then stand to say that Iguodala is a mediocre player? By your fruits, shall thy be known. The fruits testify in my favor.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I am not sure what your metaphor means except that it is inaccurate.
Basketball is a team game, and you can not hold Andre Iguodala responsible for the record of the Philadelphia Seventy-Sixers overall, as he does not play all 5 positions nor does he coach the team.
Before I go any further. Are you familiar with the term win shares and how it works?
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
He steadfastly refuses to acknowledge any advanced statistic because he doesn’t want to try to understand them.
Then my previous assertion that there is no common ground bridge any notional gaps about how to build a winning basketball team stands, and any further discussion would only serve to aggravate me and probably all others here.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
The Grizzlies just traded Mayo for MCRoberts, I believe they would’ve wanted a guy of Nocioni’s caliber easily.
What has this franchise accomplished to justify staying the same? What has Iguodala done to justify his being this mainstay? 14/5/5?
Decent scorer, solid rebounder, good passer. Ultimately, good player.
When you’re in cap hell and when you’ve got no talent
Rebuild.
14/5/5 be damned. You can get(damned if you couldn’t) 14 PPG from somebody else, you can try and address this front-court and get the rebounds. Jrue Holiday’s looking to be a top 10-15 PG. Oh wait, to squeak out a few wins we’ll turn him into a SG.
Iguodala is an asset, a good player. Anti, you and others like you heavily over-rate him.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I am not sure how you know me to know that there are others like me, but my experience at other internet discussion centers indicate that there are more people ‘like you’ (to use your vernacular) who are on the side of the ranting uninformed writers and radio hosts who constantly beat the Iguodala overpaid drum (when they notice that Philadelphia has an NBA team that is)
Your comments regarding OJ Mayo and how Nocioni would fit in there demonstrate not only a lack of basketball acumen but a lack of understanding of how trades work in the NBA.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Your referring to salary matching, I also happen to know that if the salaries match 110%, the trade also goes through. You’d need to add a million/two on Memphis’s side, but that’s besides the point.
And finally, for YOU to speak of my basketball acumen is the greatest insult I’ve ever received. If I were childish, I’d easily return the insult but I’ll refrain.
Why wouldn’t Memphis get better with a tough defender, rebounder and shooter like Noce? Why wouldn’t their front-court have an upgrade?
Don’t insult me, I’ve dealt with enough of your types. A combination of despotism and ignorance that I’ve had enough of.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
If I were childish, I’d easily return the insult but I’ll refrain.
And then you go on to call him ignorant. Nice.
I think because when I see the past repeat itself over and over, and somehow this pathetic past is actually being hailed as the next coming of something. You STILL hold onto it.
This management still holds onto it. Tell me this, what will make you let go of it? If the franchise moves?
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I am neither for nor against it. I lean towards keeping the current core for now. I think there’s moves that can be made either way. I just don’t see anything out there right now that makes me desperate to trade Iguodala immediately.
My defense of Iguodala’s skill has nothing to do with my feelings of whether the team should rebuild or not.
I apologize if you feel insulted but that was not my intent. I only intended to tell you how you seemed to come off to me (and after reading a lot of this blog, how you come off to everyone really. I do not believe I saw anyone who agrees with you about anything. )
It seems that you are overly defensive about your points which, to my perception, have no basis in fact, but are purely based on opinion and unsupportable by facts so facts are ignored. When presented with facts that contradict your opinion you move the discussion.
All that does is strengthen my perception of a Philadelphia beat writer sports radio listener
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
The sixers have neither the assets nor the dedicated ownership to make the moves you advocate (in a vacuum, with out presenting realistic moves that both sides would find palatable of course).
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
They have the assets, they(and the fanbase here) are unwilling to move them.
Ever heard of the phrase, take 2 steps back, 1 step forward?
Sure, we’ll suck. But we’ll be the next OKC. Like OKC, we’ve got a GREAT scouting and drafting department. ALL the more reason!
It’s based entirely on fact(and no, I don’t listen to the radio, I hate my freaking alarm clock).
I watch 48 minutes a night, despite how painful it is watching pure mediocrity. I see that this core IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU, and your brethren here, REFUSE.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Your referring to salary matching, I also happen to know that if the salaries match 110%
It’s 125%, but who’s counting.
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
I swear you sometimes just pick names. I’ve always supported rebuilding.
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 24, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
I guess I’m guilty because I want trades that bring back potential talent (picks and good young players) that can be rebuilt-on, not just dumping players randomly for the express purpose of sucking and nothing else.
Mind you, I think I’ve posted about 80 comments in the last year saying we should trade Iguodala (and I am a big fan, I admit it). I just want something back other than a second-round pick and a bag of basketballs :)
its because they started ten games under .500 and to comeback and do that is pretty damn good
by Brett Miller on Feb 24, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions
It also requires a pretty easy schedule, and they’ve gotten that.
It all evens out, they’re .500. They’re not playing .600 basketball. They’d like to think that of themselves and hey, I never said they couldn’t dream
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
I know the Nuggets/Jazz made deals, but they got back actual talent unlike Cleveland and Toronto and are in far better shape for a quicker rebuild.
Do you think we’re .500 in the West? I don’t.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 24, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
Jordan already made that joke! You lose! Good day sir!
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions
in other news, our old friend Sammy Dalembert drawing mucho trade attention from the Knicks, Heat, Thunder and Rockets, however Kings are reluctant to deal him.
The interesting thing is that reports are they are reluctant to trade him or buy him out which would indicate they want to give him a long term deal, no?
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
They might. From what I understand the Kings are less than thrilled with Cousins and his antics.
BOILER UP!! 2010-2011
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The Kings are not going anywhere relevant any time soon, nor do they seem to be headed towards legitimacy in the next 2-3 years (the time period in which I would consider a fair contract for Samuel Dalembert). Given those parameters, I would not give Sam Dalembert a long term deal irregardless of my concerns about DeMarcus Cousins, which I feel are overblown and that Tyreke Evans is a bigger problem in Sacramento (on the court) than Cousins.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
Biting my nails.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 24, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Watch out for the cuticles. It hurts a lot.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
The Kings need to get above the salary cap line or they have to split $1mil between there players. Should we help them out with this trade
Why would we buy out Kapono? how does that benefit the Sixers… can someone explain this to me.
If teams want him why wouldn’t we trade him.
No team wants Jason Kapono that much they would put together a trade for him.
Buying out Kapono saves Comcast money.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
I suppose that is your prerogative, though I hear prison is not enjoyable, and do not see why a sporting event would cause someone to murder.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
That surprises me. Boston doing this suggests that Perkins isn’t back enough from his injury and they’ve given up on him.
Perkins was a big part of Boston’s championship run along with Powe. I don’t think Boston has replaced them and this will catch up with them.
It suggest that Boston was unwilling to meet Perkins contract demands.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
As a Sixer fan, I believe I will remember this trade deadline for at least a week or two. Pure adrenaline.
It is interesting to see so much secondary (and tertiary) player movement when the Collective Bargaining Agreement is so undefined and unsure. Even sure the Seventy-Sixers would do nothing I have paid a lot more attention to this today than I usually do.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
So they had to give away a 1st rounder to give away their #2 overall pick from less than 2 years ago? And all that to get an expiring contract?
1. That would be like the Sixers next deadline trading away a future #1 and Turner in order to get an expiring.
2. I would have loved it had thorn traded Kapono for a #1 pick + Thabeet.
I would have loved it had thorn traded Kapono for a #1 pick + Thabeet.
I have zero confidence in Thabeet ever becoming a useful NBA player.
I don’t think we need to add another guard to the rotation. Mayo would have taken away minutes from Meeks and/or Turner.
Jodie Meeks returning to the bench is a very important thing if the sixers ever want to contend for a title.
by TheAntiStat on Feb 24, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Reminds me of theyear we held onto Miller. This team is “to good” to make any trades :)
But I’m not really frustrated this year, because there were probably not any great deals to be made for the Sixers. But I would have been happy with:
-The Thabeet deal (if only to get the additional #1 pick.)
-The Mayo deal
-The Gortat deal (Lou instead of Brooks.)
I actually would not trade Thad for Perkins. But mostly because I don’t like Perkins for this team- despite his defense/rebounding.
The Celtics traded Kendrick Perkins and Nate Robinson to the Thunder for Jeff Green and Nenad Krstic. I didn’t know Perkins was available for a poor defensive, poor rebounding, SF playing PF. We have one of those.
Clearly, this was all about getting Krstic.
Could you imagine the Sixers with Nate? I would pay for tickets just to see a Nate/BOSS backcourt for 10 minutes a game. Good Times!
Seriously, though, for some reason, Green is considered to be a “good” player and Thad is not. I suspect this is mostly because Green has had the good fortune of being paired with Kevin Durant and Thad has not.
Would you have done this?
Rockets did their deals with Phoenix and Memphis after also going deep in talks w/Philly on a Battier for Speights-and-Kapono deal via Steins Twitter
On a different note
How do you guys feel about per 36 minute stats? On the one hand, it can show productivity in limited minutes, but how do you feel about using them to compare players?
I saw someone using per 36 to compare Devin Harris to Deron Williams and try to prove Harris was close to Williams’ level. Do you think they are useful for comparing players? At some point, there is an underlying reason why the player with lower minutes isn’t playing.
thoughts?
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