Uh-Oh Atlantic: Nets Trade for Deron Williams
by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 8:28 AM PST
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PrintSo yesterday the Knicks traded for Carmelo Anthony. Okay. I can deal with that.
But today, the Nets went all ambitious and traded Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, and two first rounders for Deron Williams. 3 million bones were also exchanged in the deal. Additionally, Troy Murphy goes to Golden State for Dan Gadzuric and the effervescently misspelled Brandan Wright.
If I'm Ed Stefanski and Rod Thorn (which I am), I'm feeling pretty left out. Don't be surprised if they get their Ed Wade on and make a deal just to feel like they're a part of things. This makes the Atlantic Division insanely scary, especially when you consider the Raptors' young guys. Check it.
Rajon Rondo, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Amare Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, DeMar DeRozan, Ed Davis, Andrea Bargnani, Deron Williams, Brook Lopez. Only Pierce has been there for more than four years. Talk about a quick change.
Do you think this puts the Sixers in a position where they have to make a move? We'll see. Props to Prokhorov for making things happen, but I think losing Favors will hurt them for a while. It's nice to have him out of the division at least. The Nets still have no shot at making the playoffs this year, but if Deron stays for a while, things could get frightening.
Trades! Can somebody please get a brother a first round pick?
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This guy prokhorov is something. He not only gets the Knicks to feel pressured into outbidding themselves, but turns around and makes a much more sensible deal to get a young 26 year old all star PG, well done.
Don’t think we need to make a drastic move right now, we’re almost at .500, starting to play as one unit, would welcome a trade that ships off thad for a first but that’s about it.
since it was a good trade for the nets Prokorhov gets the credit but if it were a bad trade, would it be Billy King getting the blame?
Just throwing it out there cuz that’s how I would interpret it
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 23, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions
makes sense
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 23, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
Sure, the Jazz have time to trade their franchise player but they still haven’t given me my CONDITIONAL SECOND ROUND PICK!!!
Hand it over!
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 23, 2011 8:44 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Tanner brought up something on twitter the guy that may get traded because of this is Jefferson would you guys take him on the 76ers?
I’d take him, absolutely. But, of course, it depends on what’s given up. Mike’s offering Speezy/Thad/Kapono which I would do in a second
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 23, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions
mmmm
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
But Jefferson has a pretty hefty contract does he not?
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Expires with Brand in 2012/13 — he’d be better than anybody we could get in a free agent deal, especially with the questionable CBA.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
I agree. I was just trying to figure out if they could afford his contract along with Brands and Andres.
Presumably, would Jefferson play the 5?
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Yep, he and Brand would be okay together for me. Definitely not contender-worthy, but if we’re going to be mediocre, we may as well go full tilt.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
I misread and thought another Jefferson
I for some reason, took all of this as Richard Jefferson.
I thought, “What? Do the spurs really want to make a trade? And how the hell can Richard Jefferson play the 5?”
After stopping for a minute, I realized I completely forgot about Al Jefferson. At this point, he is still young enough, but I think he has proven w/3 teams that you cannot build around this guy. He is extremely talented, and has big games, but for some reason, it all doesn’t translate. Anyone know why? Work ethic maybe?
Who? The Nets? By getting Deron Williams they are less relevant? Don’t understand.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
So will the next shoe drop when CP3 goes to NY and Howard goes to the NYETS?
Then I guess we can all crawl in a hole and die.
up until today I thought that dwight and williams would meet up in orlando perhaps. I definitely see cp3 to the knicks, howard I think has a higher chance of staying where he is but anything’s possible.
How are the knicks going to pay for chris paul when they have 42 million committed to anthony and amare?
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by jefu on Feb 23, 2011 9:19 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It depends on the CBA. All they have to do is have CP3 force a trade to NY. Then only the salaries have to match.
For example, CP3 and Billups have matching salaries next year. Then they resign CP3 using Biord rights. As long as the owner is willing to pay the tax and they can coerce New Orleans to make a deal…
Chris Paul is going nowhere. Next year it will be just the Hornets, Thunder, Blazers, and Clippers competing for the Western Conference.
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 28, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well it’s completely pointless to try to keep playing with the team we have and thinking we’ll overtake any of these teams.
Since the Jazz already have Millsap and Jefferson, maybe we could work a deal involving Iguodala / Thad/ and maybe Kapono’s expiring to acquire Favors.
Either way we need to build for the future, like 5 years from now, because unless something completely unexpected happens, like DONG becoming the next Larry Bird tomorrow, then we will just be treading water for the next couple years.
"I make love to pressure." - Stephen Jackson
"My passion is more passionate than ever." - Greg Paulus
With Bird’s competitive edge I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if he could still take the Donger 1-on-1.
But the one that worries me in trading Iguodala or Brand now, is that their respective trade values will be at their highest in 2 years when they are expiring.. so maybe it’s best to continue toiling in mediocrity until then while seeing what we have in Jrue and Turner
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Agree. I’m resigned to trying to win some games for a few years and then hopefully make major mores in 2 years. And just hope the young players are betetr than I expect them to be.
Yeah I’d like to see us move those 2 in a few years, get some young talent, and then try to add a star in the offseason with all that extra cap space.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Eh
Its not like this makes the Nets a threat this year, and anything beyond that doesnt really matter a whole lot because of the upcoming lockout, so I dont think this changes our strategy at all.
Probably won’t show this year but do you guys think the analysts will be saying how much better the west is then the east now since we got two fo there best players?
I wish the Sixers could swindle Danny Granger from the Pacers. That team isn’t going anywhere and they would love two white expiring players to match the rest of the teams complexion haha.
ehh I find Granger to be grossly overrated and we already have Andre, plus Indiana is building around him so no way we could swindle them.
I think Granger is a better shooter than Andre and like to play him at the 2 and have a starting line up of Jrue, Granger, Andre, Brand, Hawes with Meeks, Turner, Thad, etc coming off the bench
I can’t stand it when people say “oh were almost above 500 we don’t have to make a move” are these people serious? Do u see the teams around us and what they are doing? Unless we want to be 500 for the next 5 years then we have to make a trade and we need to do it this year wether it’s before the deadline or before the draft because it’s not looking good for us in the eastern conference.
Sounds like you want to make a move for the sake of making a move. Exhibit A of a poorly run franchise.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed
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by jefu on Feb 23, 2011 9:23 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I kinda feel bad for Jazz fans.
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I kinda felt bad for us when Barkley forced his way out and when AI was traded.
Denver/Philly/Utah/Cleveland are all to the point where can only be good for a limitted time with homegrown talent. Then they will move to NY/LA/MIA/DAL/BOS/NYET
We are too big of a city to not be included in that. Once we get one star I think others would follow. Getting that star is what will be the problem…
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Lifestyle, taxes, endorsements, non-corporate ownership… and having stars to attract others. Tx and Fla have no income tax. LA and NY are much bigger endorsement markets.
What is the tax to work in Philly these days? It is 0% to work in Miami, Orlando, Houston and Dallas.
Its not impossible. Its also not likely anytime soon.
Wasn’t long ago the Phillies couldn’t attract stars.
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Exactly. This city is big enough where the endorsements opportunities will come and whatever type of lifestyle you have can be accomodated to. I think landing that first star is the only hurdle we face, but it’s also the largest.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Should have said a large one* … if it’s the only one it is obviously the largest, it is also the smallest and many other adjectives.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Payroll jumped from 25M to 160M in 10 years. New stadium meaning more revenue. Unfair position of having a top 4 payroll in baseball.
You do these things and Philly enters the equation. Heck, you bring in a Billionare like Cuban or the Russian, and you’d have a chance. Comcast?
Yeah, Ed needs to sell.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Let me share my brief rant (that I posted elsewhere):
This week has been yet another kick in the "gut" for Sixer fans. Not only did this franchise fall apart when the brain-trust moved to start the Magic in ’89 leaving behind Lynum/Schue… they lost their will to win when they went corporate (Comcast in ’96.)
They basically are a team that can be good for a few years if they win a lottery. Then that player will leave town (AI/Barkley) and we will quickly be reminded that the organization is rotten at the core. And yet I’ll continue to hope.
Tax to work in NYC is astronomical.
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You make that up in endorsements in a week…
I never said Philly is a small market. They are one of the larger single NBA team markets in the league. Never said they were a bad location.
Just said NY/LA/MIA/Dal have advantages.
Philly has an edge over Utah, Cleveland etc. But it is in a tough spot with the current NBA landscape.
Isn’t San Antonio in Texas?
Fire Johnson and hire Brown - I'm telling you Thorn was smoking somethin' when he let Brown slip away in the night.
by diehardNFFLbarnone on Feb 28, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
I really think the teams whose stars forced their way out this year fared light years better than the Sixers did when Barkley left.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
I envy that they still have some good players, just got two young players and two first rounders, but from a fans perspective, the last two weeks were a punch in the face.
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If Jerry Sloan really left because of Williams, he’s gotta be pretty pissed off right now.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Utah’s phones are blowing with teams seeing if they can get Millsap or Jefferson for cheap, if they’re available & I had my choice hopefully we can get Millsap
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by Michael Levin on Feb 23, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t know.
I’m at a loss to say exactly what the Sixers “should” do right now. You don’t want to lock yourself into 5 year deals that limit your flexibility. Best case right now is that Jrue and Turner are studs in 2 years when Brand/Lou expire and Iguodala possibly opts out. But long term and short term I’m not sure of any great options.
By having Iguodala/Brand they were sort of left “out of the game” for the last 18 months.
I do know. The decision to trade or not to trade is answered by answering this question: Do we have a core?
And the answer is most obviously, no we don’t If we had a core(or it’s better to say a winning one). It would win, at worst case TK it would show alot of potential to win.
This team does beat on it’s own competition(other .500 teams), and sometimes it can even play up to the level of a higher team. But alas, the greatest con of being a .500 team is just the same: They sometimes play down to the level of their competition and cannot keep a high level of play consistently, hence they are .500
if we just wait out Iguodala/Brand’s contracts, we’ll be in the same situation we were in in ‘08. Where yes, we’ve got two young players(Turner/Holiday), but who else fits into the equation?
Everyone acknowledges Young doesn’t have a future here. Speights honestly BLOWS whether RickoT thinks so or not. Brackins? We don’t have the core, we have the egg but we don’t have the sperm required to make a baby.(Horrible analogy, deal with it).
We need more than Turner/Holiday for the future. So, what of staying the same? Or trying to make a deal to get better?
Okay, let’s stay with the Status Quo. Brand/Iguodala aren’t touchable and for that matter neither is Turner/ET. Young can maybe command a first round pick, but that’s not going to help us “now”, he’s not exactly going to command a big man either.
Nene’s been taken off the block by Denver So, who really is out there?
Looking at it deeper, it’s not like we’ve been this awful team for a long time. We just replaced below-average coaches with the worst coach possibly in NBA history AKA Eddie Jordan. Our being around .500 isn’t some big improvement, maybe morally speaking for the guys in the locker room, but really we should’ve expected something like this.
And we did, we all predicted an improvement of at least 5-8 wins. Albeit, Collins seems primed to give them a bit of a boost. But ultimately, they are what we thought they were.
The best thing we can do, is take a step back. And let’s be real, Deron Williams is a ten-times better piece to build around than Derrick Favors.
They’ve got Lopez/Williams and a bunch of cap-space.
Knicks, remains to be seen.
But whether those teams bust or not doesn’t matter, the sixers lack a core. Now, and in the future.
We need to build a core, and have a game plan. Athleticism and running, etc is just gonna get us where we are today: .500.
Do we wanna build around bigs? Smalls? Do we wanna go outside or inside, or a little bit of both?
Do we want to just build talent? We saw how well the 2008 Knicks accomplished that feat.
We need a GAME PLAN. And this “roster” ain’t it, unless .500 is your goal.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 23, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
This could’ve been condensed into one paragraph.
But you’re right about needing a game plan. I think we have one though, we’ll probably stand pat, and over next few years see what we have in our young guys, and wait until we have some cap space.
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by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I feel the same way. Im at a loss.
No use freeing up cap space… no one is left for 2012 (except D12) and anyone who is or may be (CP3, DWill), wants to go to LA, NY, Chicago or will stay in Brooklyn. The 2011 draft is looking weak star-wise. The 2012 draft? Who the heck knows….
Maybe you free up cap space so you can use it to gather draft picks and hope these guys gel – maybe Hawes realizes he 250lbs. ET finds a jumper… Jrue becomes DWill. Dre can stay Dre. Brand stays healthy.
None of this matters to the Sixers. Derron just went to a bad team. He’ll make them better, but they’re still bad, and will end up regretting the loss of Favors.
The Sixers are still better than the Nets after the trade, the Sixers are probably better than the Knicks after their trade.
Meanwhile a new CBA and a potential lockout are looming and once the dust settles, the Knicks and Nets will have overpaid for players and be in worse positions than before.
The Knicks and Nets both need to do more to make themselves better. The Sixers are doing fine just standing pat. The upcoming draft is so lacking in talent that the Sixth seed in the draft looks to be the better choice.
Don’t Amare and Carmello play the same position? Can you accommodate two go-to players on one team? Can either one pass the ball well enough to help the others? Can Billups manage the two of them? Aren’t they going to be in each other’s way on offense?
Who is Derron going to pass to besides Lopez? He’s a good addition for the future, but not this season. He’s going to have to be patient while the Nets assemble a team around him.
I’m glad the SIxers have avoided a trade thus far, in this instance patience is a virtue.
Deron is NOT happy about this trade...
From ESPN:
Normally this type of deal isn’t made without some kind of a wink and a nod from the player’s people that an extension is in the bag. Apparently it wasn’t the case here, as Williams is reportedly shocked and unhappy.
Full article:
Admittedly, it’s Hollinger, who can be kind of a doofus…
I probably wouldn’t be happy either. All this means is that he is going to NYK after next year. (Probably)
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Gotta see how the new CBA works out. Amar’e and Melo may be getting too much to possibly fit him in. If they signed for less like LeBron, D-Wade and Bosh did, it’d be a different story. But, I can’t say I blame them since unlike Miami’s big 3, they aren’t all signing simulatenously.
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"My passion is more passionate than ever." - Greg Paulus
by joe_digiacomo on Feb 23, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
You and Jordan can talk Astro’s. I feel bad that your team has Ed Wade, although he did give the Phillies a pretty good core.
I feel left out
I hope we deal for someone.
Still, gotta love the NBA. In a few days the balance of East/west has been switched.
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