Carmelo Anthony to Knicks "done deal"
Sounds like the significant players involved are Felton, Gallo, and Chandler (to Denver), and Melo and Billups (to New York).
Since the Knicks are the Sixers main competition for the sixth seed, does this make it more or less likely that the Sixers catch the Knicks (2 games back), in your opinion?
I think it makes the Knicks a better team, especially because I think Billups has some left in his tank, and Melo will undoubtably be rejuvenated.
Should make the Atlantic Division fun.
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Don’t forget, Chanucey Billups has been staunch on the whole no trade thing and he threatened he’d request waivers/retire sooner then he would leave Denver. Its more like an expiring contract, rather than Chanucey Billups, star PG.
But heck, even with Chanucey Billups deciding to suit up, between Stoudemire/Melo. The ball STOPS, both are mediocre(at best), defenders.
I give Donnie Welsh credit for creating another NBA 2k10 squad in New York.
This is what I think about the trade:
I explained the other night why it is I feel this isn’t going to work well. I don’t care who’s distributing. There aren’t enough basketballs to go around to satisfy both Amare (who already complains when he doesn’t get the ball) and Melo. And neither one of them plays a lick of defense. And they will seriously lack depth in a really Miami Heat kind of way, without the Miami Heat kind of ability. Wade >> Billups. LeBron >>> Melo. I’ll give them Amare > Bosh, but Bosh makes the whole thing work by sitting back and playing his role, which neither Amare or Melo would ever do.
This might solidify the sixth seed for them, because they’ll get an initial push from the excitement of the new roster, but not because I think they would be drastically superior. Maybe at best it gets them a leg up on Atlanta, who are having their own problems. But I don’t think they’re in the discussion with Orlando/Chicago/Miami/Boston. Even with a full season of Melo next year (assuming there is a season next year), I don’t think they’re any better than a fifth seed, fourth at best. I don’t think they are anywhere near the same level as Boston, Miami or Chicago. And it’s possible with a good draft pick and another year of DougieBall (and Turner and Jrue development) that we could be in the conversation with the Knicks and Atlanta.
In conversation with the “Knicks and Hawks” I’ve stressed enough about our accepting mediocrity, this doesn’t make the Knicks better at all, if anything only worse. We shouldn’t be aiming to be with the Knicks, we should rebuild, wait for that failure to implode on itself and win the divison when Boston eventually falls.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
The question I was trying to answer was “What is the effect of this deal on the Sixers?”…which is to say “not too much.” I don’t think this puts them very much farther ahead than they already were.
The reality is, nothing is happening with the Sixers for a couple of years yet, as much as we might like it to. I am just as happy for them to develop the young talent they have, get as much more as they can (even by trading Iguodala, who I obviously think a lot more of than you), by making smart trades when they become available, rather than thrashing around for whoever will give us anything for whatever we have.
I think you overvalue Melo just as much as you do Iguodala.
All the Knicks needed(Pre-Melo trade) was a STARTING CENTER.
They had the wing play, the post play, the guard play. They just needed a Dalembert-esque type of guy(with brains obviously) who could protect the rim.
If anything, THEY needed Haywood.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
How do I overrate Melo? He’s exactly the kind of player I can’t stand.
And Haywood wouldn’t have done a thing for them. He’s not good enough.
Hey…they should be fine. Melo is a wing player who scores way more than 20 ppg. What else could you possibly need?
The Knicks, unlike the Sixers were just fine offensively.
They needed post defense.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Look, no matter what you think about me. I believe in both ends of the court. Offense and defense. I like getting stops, I like running up the court and getting easy buckets.
I loved the Knicks off-season because they got a post player, they got shooters and depth(though, as usual D’Antoni hasn’t used the depth)
They just needed a center and BAM, make over complete. Maybe they wouldn’t have taken over Boston, but they didn’t have too, BOS/LA/SA/ORL are all on the verge a few yrs from now of a breakdown.
The Knicks were SET
They blew that tonight.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Look, no matter what you think about me. I believe in both ends of the court. Offense and defense. I like getting stops, I like running up the court and getting easy buckets.
Boy do I know the perfect player for that style!
Agreed. STAT basically left the PnR paradise in Phoenix because he wanted to be the man. And now he has to share the ball and the spot light with a guy who needs the ball to operate and plays less defense then a dead man.
Did the team get more exciting? Probably.
Did they get better? Not in my opinion.
They traded away youth and basically half their bench.
From what I understand, Randolph and Curry are going to the Wolves and Brewer from the Wolves to the Nuggets.
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And Brewer ain’t even a spot-up jump shooter, he’s a lesser Iguodala.
I’m gonna enjoy this :). 2008 Knicks meet the 2011 version.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Stupid by the Knicks
They could’ve kept what they had and signed Melo as a FA
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but Melo is all about his scrilla
by MattGeigersBaldHead on Feb 21, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions
Eastern Conference playoffs gon’ be sick.
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Completing the deal, Denver will get Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks’ 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors’ 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors’ 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash while Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman will head to New York, according to the Denver Post.
This is apparently the whole NYK – Den package…
All of that, and the Knicks gave up 3 picks? They don’t learn. I’m going to go on record and say Isiah is the new GM in NY by the end of the season.
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Stoudemire/Melo=the new Randolph/Curry.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
what
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by Michael Levin on Feb 21, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, both don’t play defense, both don’t “play the game” the right way. Both are iso-scorers.
They had a Felton, they had a Gallinari. They had a team, they just lost that. They took a step back Levin, believe it or not.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 7:53 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t. I would rather have the team as is than whatever would be left after Melo was sent here.
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I’d circumcise a panda to get the cock on this team.
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by Michael Levin on Feb 22, 2011 6:13 AM PST up reply actions
If Billups plays, and plays the way he currently is, they could make some noise this year (RE: won’t drop past Sixers). I don’t like how they’re setup for the future, at all. They’ve put all their eggs in Melo/Amare working well together (and playing enough defense to seriously contend), and have very few pieces to get even marginal role players.
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cp3 would change things. I’d have to crunch the numbers. I think it’s a NY pipe dream.
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by Derek Bodner on Feb 21, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
with only 3 players under contract (amare, melo, and toney) when cp3, deron, and dwight howard become free agents, I think it’s more likely than a pipe dream but certainly not a foregone conclusion of any sorts
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 21, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
also dependent on new CBA of course
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by Tanner Steidel on Feb 21, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
Stop the hating...
Without too much analysis, I have a feeling some people on here are just bitter than the Sixers Front Office can’t/won’t make any moves. Everyone keeps saying “oh the Knicks had a TEAM, now they don’t” Ehh…what team? A team with a downward trajectory and losing record the past two months?
Think Melo makes them better. The other players they got aren’t that much worse than what they gave up and in a league STACKED with quality Point Guards now, they should be able to get a suitable one sooner or later if the wheels are fallin off Chauncey.
Just bought my Knicks-Sixers ticket for April 6. Could be a good one!
They were losing because A: They didn’t have a real center/interior defender nor B: Perimeter defenders to make up for it.
The reason we’re semi-competitive is that we’ve got Jrue/Iguodala. However, even if you’ve got good perimeter defenders to make up for it it doesn’t make you exactly a contender.
The 2006-2008 Detroit Pistons had lost Ben Wallace and replaced him with Antonio McDyess. Certainly, they were a far better offensive team but their defense dropped, leading to LeBron’s breakthrough with the Cavs, and the loss to the Celtics.
Ironically, you said
The other players they got aren’t much worse than what they gave upIn other words, Gallo, Felton are just as good as Melo/Billups, right?
Right. This “improvement” is marginal. If AT ALL. Melo/Stoudemire CLOGS up the ball. It’s not like this is unfamiliar territory for the Sixers.
We had acquired Chris Webber, leading us to be one of the worst defensive teams and the start of our mediocre ways for the last 6 years.
This isn’t working, it can’t work.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s tough to compare this Knicks team with others because of the caliber of the superstar they got and because of Mike D’s offensive oriented, fast break system. Now if you want to conclude that this system can never win a title, so be it, but then you’ve got to change the coach and the system first.
As for the whole clogging the ball thing, that’s what people wondered about the Heat as well and certainly they did struggle early on with chemistry but of course have been improving on that lately. Wade’s numbers haven’t dipped at all despite LeBron and Bosh comin in—I think havin Amare and Anthony can and will get along just fine.
I’m not sayin they’ll even win a playoff series cause they’ll likely be playin one of the big 3 but I could see them pushing a not 100% healthy Boston team or a Heat team that doesn’t quite have all the pieces itself yet or an inexperienced Bulls team to a game 7.
Every team has their flaws and I’m not sayin the Knicks are the new powerhouse in the East. I’m merely sayin the Sixers won’t be catchin them for that 6th spot and wont be catching them in the Division for years to come.
additionally, it’s funny you mention the Pistons, the ONE exception in the past 10-15 years to the you-need-at-least-two-stars to contend rule. Just look at the top teams this year:
San Antonio—Duncan, Manu, Parker
Lakers—Kobe, Gasol
Thunder—Westbrook, Durant
Heat—big 3
Celts—Big 4
Bulls—Rose, Boozer
I guess this season Dallas is somewhat of an exception but if you count Kidd then you’ve got 2 future HOFers.
Same goes for all the past champs but for the pistons…just take a lot at all the squads—they’ve all got 2 studs. don’t be jealous and bitter because Philly’s stuck in a hole for the foreseeable future.
The NBA is a star driven league, not a roll player driven league. Gallo and Felton? Please.
Felton’s stats:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2753/raymond-felton
Billups Stats:
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/63/chauncey-billups
It looks to me, like Felton is having the better year.
Gallo is only limiting himself, Denver traded for his upside, upside he’ll likely reach in quiet Colorado.
Denver won this trade significantly, by getting an equal level starter at PG/SF. You overvalue Carmelo Anthony signifciantly. Nuggets fans should be happy, the cancer is out of town and they get two young talented studs for him.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
ok I’ll be the first to admit the melo circus was annoying and distracting but to call the guy a cancer is downright idiotic.
Melo; “I tip my hat off to myself”, he was a part of that whole gang with Martin and Iverson. Melo then talked about how Billups changed the culture.
Melo is as much of a team player as Iverson, not much. And now, he’s in the bling bling lights of New York.
I’m looking forward to this.
Wade/Bron worked because of their connection and playmaking abilities.
Melo/Stoudemire have never been known for playmaking, and Billups is a combo guard for all intents and purposes on the downside of his career.
I can’t wait Ryan, you’re going to get the most obvious wake up call.
by LeQuan Glover on Feb 21, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
The move wasn’t done just for this year. I don’t think anyone expects them to win a championship this year. But now other free agents are going to want to go here with the star power they have and the bright lights of New York.
Agreed. And they won’t win a title this year. But after next year when CP3 and Deron can and in all likelihood will opt out, one of them, probably CP3 will be going to the Knicks, and then, that team is going to be redonkulous.
Also of note, the Nuggets if the rumored trade of Mozgov and Dino to the Nets for 2 first rounders does indeed happen then that team will have 3, 1st rounders in a deep draft with a ton of cap space and guys like Nene and Lawson to try and build around. I think they will be back to being a damn good team in two years.
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Do you think the new CBA and a potentially lower salary cap might affect their ability to bring more star power to the team? Amare and Anthony alone are going to be making over 40 million, and they still need to fill in the rest of the roster.
I guess to simplify this, my point is:
Dwayne + Lebron > Amare + Anthony
They’re not going to win a championship with this duo and they’ve certainly screwed up their future by giving away so many draft picks.
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Yeah that’s definitely a possibility but I still think New York will be a very attractive place for a big free agent to sign even if they have to possibly sacrifice but I think they should have money (not exactly sure on that). Regardless I agree that Dwade and LBJ are better as well. Good to get some more depth in the shitty eastern conference though, just not in our division..
lol well im just not exactly sure how much or how little they have to do for one of us to be right or wrong…
With you, you clearly are stating, or at least it sounds like it, that they’re going to flop. It’s going to be disasterous. Myself? I don’t really know…I simply said I think in the medium to long run they def came out better. I guess to prove my point, all they have to do is finish above .500 the remainder of the season and then finish with a better record next season than this previous season.
never said anything about them winning championships or whatnot but I do think they could now be a piece away whereas you think all they had to add was one of the dozens of scrub big men in the league and wha-la they’re a contender because of a slightly upgraded Sammy Dalembert
So who's playing center for the Knicks again?
Yeah yeah yeah, the oft-injured Ronnie Turiaf.
And who else?
There can only be one Noce!
Anyone have any ideas what number Melo might take in NY since 15 is retired?
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I thought the whole point of this was what does it mean for this season, not years down the road. Before the trade the Knicks were a .500 team and they gave up a lot of players to get Anthony and Billups.
I think the trade makes them slightly better, and therefore makes the race for the 6th playoff seed more interesting. Without the trade the Sixers were clearly better and on an uptrend, the Knicks were 5-5 in their last 10 going nowhere.
Now, I’m not sure about the immediate impact. I think it will take time for the Knicks to develop into a team. They have three very good players in Billups, Amare and Mello. They can definitely score a lot of points. But I have to wonder about their rebounding and inside defense. If they can’t win the battle of possessions they will have trouble doing much better then they did before the trade.
I think they’re a seriously finesse-oriented front court (AKA SOFT) that will amuse Boston and Orlando, but will ultimately be outclassed by either one.
Sixers should still be able to pass them for the sixth seed, as they really have improved their play but this is a very big trade and it’s hard to know just how much better the Knicks will ultimately be. It should take at least two weeks just to get acclimated.
I hate to break it to you guys
but you can say goodbye to your 6 seed chances. the knicks were better than the sixers before the trade and now they are much better. you’ll just have to try and develop your young talent and hope they work out well. right now you are lined up to play boston or miami in the first round and i think we all know how that will go.

















