Sixers Officially Re-Sign Free Agent Thaddeus Young for 5 years, $42 Million
by Michael Levin on Dec 9, 2011 2:23 PM PST
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PrintOnly an hour after they were "nearing a deal", Kate Fagan reports that the Sixers and Thaddeus Young have officially come to terms on a contract to keep the forward from Georgia Tech in Philadelphia for the next few years. Here's the official tweet from Woj.
Thaddeus Young is nearing agreement on a 5 year, $42 million contract to stay with the 76ers, league sources tell Y! Sports.
OK, so just over $8 million per season. NOT BAD. It's not exactly ideal, but it locks up a guy who could turn into something for not the most money in the world. I would even go so far as to say this is a fair deal. But again, this all depends on what kind of player he becomes, not the player he is right now.
This comes on the heels of a number of contracts being divvied out to anyone that can palm a basketball. Thaddeus, as we all know, has his strengths and weaknesses. The question is: will he be able to overcome those crucial weaknesses to be come a complete basketball player. If he never develops a reliable jump shot, this fails. If he doesn't become a capable ball-handler, this fails.
Where this leaves Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner, I'm not sure. I just know that Doug Collins loves him some Thad and Thad loves him some Doug. So they'll be hanging out for the next five years and 42 million dollars while we all hope Dwight Howard becomes a huge Fresh Prince of Bel Air fan.
Free agency rolls on. Your thoughts below.
Update: Kate Fagan reporting it's $43 million. It doesn't matter too much - what's another million here and there, right?!
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I guess
Based on the nuttiness that was out there on the open market, but unless this is frontloaded – i’m a bit me on the contract
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I was prepared for worse. Not ecstatic, think it’s an overpay because I’m not 100% confident he’ll be appreciably better than he is now, but it’s probably movable.
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by Derek Bodner on Dec 9, 2011 2:26 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
And this is the crux of it all.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 9, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
horcrux?
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by Tanner Steidel on Dec 9, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
yeah, the locket
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by Michael Levin on Dec 9, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
Damnit Regulus Arcturus Black.
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Isn’t that the fundamental problem with that NBA that was never fixed? Overpay for mediocrity and pray for potential? Its such a bad way of running a league.
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It's one of them
there are many fundamental problems – guaranteed contracts are a problem because owners keep hiring stupid gms
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For those who think Simmons has insight
he doesn’t believe the new jersey stuff at all – he believes dwight howard ends up in chicago
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For what Thad is, this is an overpayment, for who I think he can become, this is a fair deal.
At least it’s not bad enough that it can’t be moved later.
I like Thad, a lot, I am glad he is staying, hopefully he can continue to progress. If not, this team is no better in 2-3 years than they are today.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I'm completely fine with it.
I wonder what the specifics of this deal is.
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Yeah if its front-loaded or not, as most of us are wondering.
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I believe
that a 7 mil first year salary with standard allowed increases works out to 42 million over 5
And ‘front loading’ is one of those new fangled things that probably confound rod thorn
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If they have the ability to front load, then they should. But I think you’re right.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
niiiiice!
its fine. DRE and BRAND are max contracts…this one we can’t complain about.
Um
I’m pretty sure neither Andre Iguodala or Elton Brand are signed to max contracts
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Didn’t you hear? Andre Iguodala is getting paid “superstar” money…
(And I’m just joking around, don’t take offense kushmir)
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I always love this traing of thought
Gilbert Arenas and Rashard Lewis make a lot more money than Andre Iguodala
yet so many seem to think iguodala is the biggest thief in the league
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HE DOESNT SCORE 17 PPG!!! HE’S A SHAM!!!!
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
meh. At least he’ll still be in his prime age when his contract is expiring. Also not bad compared to some of the other deals out there.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
by jefu on Dec 9, 2011 2:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think it was mentioned here before, with how the CBA crap transpired, it was pretty obvious that there was going to be an inflation in potential contracts given out this free agency. For what it’s worth, Thad’s deal, while somewhat an overpay, it isn’t terrible nor will it hamstring us.
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so far, there has been an inflation in contracts. I think the Sixers made the smartest deal yet, in terms of what they think Thad Young will contribute and what they paid him
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
That's a fair deal
I believe in Thad. Love watching him. Great energy. He was exceptional versus Miami last season.
This contract will not be a Kenny Thomas redux.
by andyreidswaistline on Dec 9, 2011 2:56 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Does a team
with no chance to win a title NEED a top 8 sixth man or to pay him?
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Doesn’t every team need a 6th man- unless your goal is to lose games.
You don’t need a 31 year old Lamar Odom, but bringing back a quality young player who is great in there role is a good idea for most teams. You want the Suixers to be attractive to big name stars. Seeing Jrue, ET and Thad grow into quality impact players is key. Losing quality yooung players is bad (at least in my simplistic world.)
As an English teacher, that post made me cringe, so thanks for apologizing. And I think you are on point with the young developing talent, though I don’t know if it will help to attract a Dwight Howard type player
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
it’s possible that it could, but it’s a gamble. Much like blowing it up and starting from scratch is a gamble.
This question is, which is the safer gamble?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I personally like the team we have now. Clearly we are missing a piece, but just one in my opinion. If we could get Howard, I think we are in the top 3 in the east. So I prefer the gamble they are taking now, rather than the gamble of starting from scratch.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions
Well yeah
if they get howard they are top 3 in the east – but so would most teams be if they got howard :) Howards the best player at his position in the game.
They are missing 2 pieces in the starting 5 and at least 1 or 2 on the bench in my mind
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I think they have the pieces, they just aren’t used properly. With a starting rotation of Howard, Iggy, Brand, Turner, Holiday, and a bench consisting of Meeks, Young, Williams, etc is a scary good team. They can keep playing transition and fast break, like they do now, but have a consistent post game as well. This is all assuming that Howard doesn’t sign long term with someone here.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
And if Williams isn’t on that bench, it’s even better :)
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but the problem is convincing Howard this is the case.
1. Philly is “cold” (which apparently matters to Howard.)
2. The team has talent but lacks the star names that Howard is looking for. Partly that might be that he does not want to carry 100% of the pressure that he does now.
apparently, Iguodala is one of the star names he wants the Magic to bring to Orlando this season.
But yeah, it doesn’t seem likely we can bring him in
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
And sadly
The magic have nothing to offer to make trading Iguodala to them worthwhile
If they can find a 3rd team to make it worth while – then I’m pro the idea – in principle – but depends on the pieces
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If the rumors are true
and hes willing to go to jersey/brooklyn than cold shouldn’t matter
I still believe he’d rather play with a super star (like deron williams) and some other pieces
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Team is good but man can they not shoot from 3
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by SacNasty on Dec 10, 2011 7:37 AM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
i read somewhere that Iguodala shot around 38% from catch and shoot threes last year. No reason Holiday can’t shoot that well, either. It would’nt be a sharp-shooting team by any means, but they wouldn’t be terrible.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Seriously? If that stat on Iguodala is true, I’d be very interested. That means he takes even more il-advised 3’s off the dribble than I realized.
Jrue seriously has to work on that catch and shoot 3. He’s way more effective in crunch time if that shot can become a reliable option.
Last year he took significantly less threes and in better positions where he’s more likely to make them (i.e. corner threes). Iguodala really isn’t that bad of a shooter when his feet are set, but off the dribble is not one of his strong points. You’d have to have synergy (probably) to check up on that stat, but I read it somewhere from someone who does have it.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I don't think so
Maybe it’s semantics, but it’s not about the ‘safer’ gamble, it’s about the one that gives you a better chance to ‘hit the jackpot’ (win a title) in my mind
Continuity gives the sixers (to me) 0 chance of hitting that jackpot
Thad’s contract is part of that continuity – signing a top 8 6th man to a team that is barely in the top 8 of the east (and not in the top 16 in the league, in the west they probably miss the playoffs) – sure you need a 6th man, but you don’t need one for 42 million over 5 years if you aren’t going to contend for a title in those 5 years.
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But the other option is to regress, and likely draft a guy who will in 3-4 years develop into a top 6th man (just in time for an extensional.) So it is a bad spot to be in as a franchise.
Or regress
and draft a guy who becomes as good or as better than jrue holiday and then sign a frigging sixth man
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What's harder to find
a free agent sixth man
or a free agent STAR
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It is touch to blow it up when your team is full of 21-25 year old players just entering their prime.
IMO, if you want to “blow it up” then trade Iguodala and Amnesty Brand.
Jrue
Meeks
Turner
Thad
Vucevic
That will get you a top pick without giving up yooung talent that could help you in 2-3 years. True impact draft picks (Lebron, Dwight, Rose) are ready to win in 2-3 years. So why not have a quality group of young complementary players in place. Even with Thad’s 8M they will have tons of cap space with that roster and they would be well shy of mediocre.
So why the need to let Thad walk?
Say Drummond is the next Dwight… That line-up above would put you in position for a quality lottery pick and also in position to contend as soon as that star is ready (as well as have lots of cap space to add a 2nd star.)
I don’t think the Sixers need Dwight. I really think that a superstar center is unnecessary. There needs to be a chemistry guy, a star, a defensive center, and role players to win a championship. Having a star be your center I guess works, but I would rather see the Sixers get a star at a different position and then get a center who plays good defense and controls the boards, then have Holiday as the chemistry guy.
This is why I believe the Heat will not win a championship. They don’t fit the formula.
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I disagree with this completely
1. Every Team needs Dwight
2. You need at least two superstars to win a title even if they only get superstar treatment
3. The heat will win a title
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Thads career arc is closer to Iguodalas than it is Holidays and Turners
The only people i care about on this roster if they start a rebuilding are Jrue and Turner
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Except Thad is the same age as Turner, so he will be in his prime the same time ET and Jrue are. While Iguodala will be over 30 and ready for his next contract 2 years from now.
What is wrong with having great chemistry with Jrue, Turner and Thad over the next 5 years? Again, you ae not close to breaking the bak. you are paying Thad 4th-6tth best player money.
$8M per is not 4th-6th best player money.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 9, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Closer to 3rd-4th, which is definitely a difference.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 9, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Thad will make 7M:
I am talking about his salary on a good team (becasue that is what matters)
Based on Hoopshype (entering this week)
On Dallas that would be the #6 salary
On Boston the #5 salary
On Miami the #4 salary
On LA the #5 salary
On Atl the #6 salary
On Chi the #4 (actually tied for #5 with DRose at 7M)
On ORL the #5 salary
On NYC the #4 salary
On SA the #5 salary
On Portland the #7 salary
So for quality teams only on OKC would he make a top 3 salary. He will make under 10M for the life of his contract. Basically every good team aside from OKC has 3 players making more than that (and they will soon.)
Thad’s deal averages closer to 8.5 mil and he will be harder to trade the longer into it due to escalations in his contract combining with a shrinking salary cap, most likely. When looking at it that way, Thad is easily getting 3rd best player money on title team.
It averages to 8.3 mil and it escalates while he’s in his prime years as a player. No reason why he couldn’t be tradable if need be.
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I guess instead of just tradeable, I’d like to see him become a true trade asset. That won’t happen at his current pay unless he expands his offensive game from what we saw last season and puts it on display consistently in the post season.
The NBA is a league where one player can make a huge impact on one team. Example – NO with Chris Paul. They’d be basement dwellers if he wasn’t on that team.
How do we know Jrue won’t develop well enough to keep the sixers out of the basement if we blew up the team and traded away all of the major contracts?
If he develops well enough where the team is hovering around late-teen lottery picks it would be quite difficult to build via the draft.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Anyway, that’s my only issue with our young prospects and building through the draft.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Then
approve my super trade
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It's unlikely
that Jrue ascends to a Chris Paul level – history isn’t on his side
and even if possible – its doubtful he’s going to do it with Doug Collins as the head coach in the next two seasons
and the super trade must happen before then
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If you get rid of Iguodala, Jrue becomes the primary ball handler (he might become that this year even with Iguodala on the team).
He’ll never ascend to Chris Paul level, but he might ascend to a level that will prevent the team from drafting a high pick. Not every year is going to be laden with potential super stars. It’s a risk that could see the sixers in the basement for quite some time.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
If the sixers
amnesty brand and trade iguodala and then waive kaman (and pay him off all at once)
They won’t make the playoffs this year – just won’t – jrue isn’t ready – and the rest of the roster is what?
Not to mention in my super trade they ALSO get the t’wolves unprotected 2012 first round pick
Do you see a scenario where they can do better?:)
Every team benefits :)
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I wrote a response to your post. You can check it. Also I believe teams can’t waive players acquired via trade.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
disregard the third sentence.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Ok
You got it
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who? me?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Yeah- was commenting on:
it’s possible that it could, but it’s a gamble. Much like blowing it up and starting from scratch is a gamble.
This question is, which is the safer gamble?
You sound like an NBA spirit guide, or maybe the Zen Master himself.
It makes me cringe to read my typos. I wish I could edit them.
Of course I could just proof-read, but that implies a certain level of commitment..
Editing
and deleting of mistake posts would be a welcome addition to the sbnation module
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agreed, I feel so embarrassed when I read a post of mine and see typos. Like tk, I rarely edit.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 9, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Not bad.
It’s a decent amount of money, but it isn’t terrible. Definitely could have been worse.
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Great Deal
If Thad doesn’t even improve at all, he is still worth this money and the deal is completely fair for each side. If he improves, it becomes an excellent deal for the Sixers.
by BrandonB on Dec 9, 2011 4:37 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
He was the first pick in the draft
he signed for his qualifying offer – that’s how much the first pick gets :)
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Should’ve said, “so long for Oden”
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Oh ok
I thought you were referring to the contract size :)
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Demps given permission to get raped again in Chris Paul trade
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I actually thought he made out like a bandit
a la Denver in the Melo trade.
by phillyhoosfan on Dec 9, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Denver got youth
New Orleans gets mediocre
Denver didn’t do great either
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You lose your superstar and take on 30M in contracts… and are just good enough to make the 8 seed?
Soound like the AI trade but worse, since CP3 is a better player in his prime.
Congrats guys
Got a buddy who’s a relieved Philly fan :)
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Dec 10, 2011 5:11 AM PST reply actions
So David West for Jermaine O’Neal and a scrub makes basketball sense but the Chris Paul trade doesn’t? Ok.
Way to go NBA.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
David West
isn’t who he was coming off injury issues, he’s not that valuable
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He’s more valuable than Jermaine O’Neal and whatever bum they add to the trade.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Hornets GM enjoys getting pillaged by bigger market teams with more leverage.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
David west
Was not staying in new Orleans
Jermaine probably never does either
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Exactly. So N.O get’s nothing in return, except some cap relief. Which I guess makes basketball sense?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Sure
why not
And i have a hunch that when the CP3 to the lakers trade is finalized the lakers will somehow end up giving up a pick, and still paying the luxury tax, thus making the whiners happy.
Jermaine Oneal helps LA pay the luxury tax without making them better
:)
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I’m not so sure of that. I bet O’Neal goes to the Hornets, get’s waived and goes to Miami or some shit.
The Lakers still clear some cap space with the CP3 trade, though they will be resigning him so it might not be that much space.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
We'll see
I believe Gilberts ranting has influence on what gets done because while he expressed it in the most asinine way I’m sure that other bitch ass small market owners feel the same way.
So to get it approved it has to not be so good for the lakers – I think they’ll take on soe bad contract and give up a meaningless first round pick to placate gilbert and his idiot croneys
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What's odder
is that someone is going to accept Ronny Turiaf and 3 million dollars to facilitate the knicks getting Tyson Chandler
To me that’s bad too
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Yeah, so let him leave and let NO get cap relief to start rebuilding…or take on the contract of an aging center who will bring nothing to your team.
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Rebuilding
you mean like obtaining 4 moderately skilled players on the wrong side of 30 in a trade for chris paul?
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
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