Report: Chris Paul to Lakers, Gasol to Rockets, Odom, Scola, Martin to Hornets
by Jordan Sams on Dec 8, 2011 3:31 PM PST
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PrintTwo credible sources confirm. First, Adrian Wojnarowski from Yahoo! Sports:
Correction: The proposed deal to the Lakers is Chris Paul for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom, source says.
And Ken Berger from CBS Sports:
Source confirms updated @WojYahooNBA report that Hornets get Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom from the Lakers for Chris Paul.
UPDATE (seconds later): Details not finalized but based on my understanding of it via the Twitters of Woj and Marc Stein, here's who gets who:
NO: Lamar Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, Goran Dragic
LA: Chris Paul
Hou: Pau Gasol
Still developing. Discuss details and be hysterical here. - Levin
The proposed trade doesn't affect the Sixers all that much. Neither team is in the Sixers' division, let alone conference, and the Sixers are nowhere near contention, so the Lakers getting Paul -- whether that makes them better or worse -- does not directly affect the Sixers championship dreams any time soon.
Also, the Sixers weren't rumored to be players for either Paul, Bynum, Gasol or Odom (besides a rinky dink Odom for Iguodala-for-Odom rumor last summer), so they aren't directly affected in that sense either.
That said, this is a mammoth deal for the NBA landscape. Perennial title contenders and the most-talked about team in the NBA -- the Lakers -- are reportedly on the verge of acquiring the league's best point guard. In turn, they're parting with two key pieces of their recent championship teams. I still haven't formed an official opinion of the deal and what it means for the NBA as a whole, but as a full-time, passionate Laker hater, I genuinely hope this does not work.
Check out At the Hive and Silver Screen and Roll for Hornets and Lakers fans' reactions, respectively.
Reminder: the off-season officially begins in about 5.5 hours. Go Sixers?
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Hmmm
I believe that
A. The lakers are worse right now than they were before the trade
B. They lack the bullets to get Dwight Howard now
C. If they don’t have a follow up move planned already – this is a dumb move
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Don’t you always have all the bullets to get Dwight Howard when he only wants to go to your team?
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Bynum plus as many first rounders as the league allows will probably due the trick…
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Dec 8, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
Is the change better than brook lopez and the nets first round picks (and say one young player?)
I don’t think anyone wants lakers first round picks with howard/paul/bryant on that roster they would be – probably – at best – 26th in the first round – at best
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I’m not a Brook Lopez fan at all. I think we all just have to collectively hope Otis doesn’t budge. No one wants to see Paul-Kobe-Howard.
Um
David Stern does – he won’t say it publicly – but he does
Almost as much as he wants the knicks to find a super star point guard
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Except for the NBA
A Paul-Kobe-Howard vs. LeBron-Wade-Bosh would be pretty legendary in the Finals, at least form the NBA’s point of view.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Dec 8, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Stern would prefer
Knicks vs LA actually :)
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Oh yeah
I can’t believe the hornets couldn’t do better than this
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THIS
Martin is waaaaaaay overpaid, Scola’s not exactly a guy to build a team around, and Lamar is a complimentary guy.
And the fact that they’re all 28 or older.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Dec 8, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Why do the Lakers get to trade rape everyone constantly?
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#FireAndyReid*
by PhiladelphiaEagles on Dec 8, 2011 3:41 PM PST reply actions
It's the nba
You can’t rape the unwilling in the NBA – the hornets (OWNED BY THE NBA) have to agree for this to happen
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I feel really bad for Rohan.
and I can only shake my head and sort of laugh at how ridiculous that trade is
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
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Rohan :(
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by Michael Levin on Dec 8, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
So
ESPN text alerts have not confirmed this deal in anyway BUT they have confirmed that the CBA has been officially approved by both sides
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I hate the Lakers.
Hopefully Kobe get’s the Herp from some whore he knocks up while on the road and has to miss the majority of the season.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
by The Legend on Dec 8, 2011 3:45 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
ONly if one
is a redneck who likes soap operas?
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Definitely and major props to the Legend for bringing it up. I enlist NoceOne to make a graphic of both teams!
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by Michael Levin on Dec 8, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
There were more than a few articles comparing “The Decision” to Hogan’s heel turn.
So I’m keeping Heat as nWo.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
But people actually liked Hogan when he was the All American. No one gave a shit about Lebron in Cleveland. He didn’t turn heel so much as become relevant.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Are you kidding
I don’t understand wrestling at all – but lebron james was one of the 3 biggest names in the NBA – in cleveland for gods sake
Anyone else watch HIMYM besides me – beautiful lebron joke this week
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Yes to HIMYM
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by Michael Levin on Dec 8, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
I still think
it should be called the barney show – but that lebron shot was awesome
man i’d never go to cleveland – not even for 6 years and 25 million per
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Yes he was/is one of the 3 biggest names in the NBA but no one really gave a crap if the Cavs did well or not. At least not anyone I know of. I don’t remember anyone that was actively rooting for him. Now, at least in Miami people have an opinion, unfortunately for him they seem to be rooting against him.
“I wouldn’t go to Cleveland for $125 million dollars paid over 6 years.”
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Damn it
my memory sucks – man that line was awesome
Go back and look how often the cavs were on national tv BEFORE lebron, during lebron, AFTER lebron
You might not have cared, people you know might not have given a crap – but lebron was a huge draw even in cleveland CLEVELAND for gods sake
I mean seriously – even detroit doesn’t wanna be cleveland
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Love HIMYM
I agree that Barney is the star of the show also.
Anyways as a lifelong wrestling fan Hogan was/is one of the biggest names ever so I can see why people made that comparison
Ew… why the Lakers of all teams, hate those guys. I like CP3 before now i’ll have to hate him… sigh
Last name Ever
First name Greatest
#PayDeSeanJackson
You don't have to
hate anyone – you choose to
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True
I just won’t like him anymore…. maybe go neutral
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Ah with fans like you
how needs eskin?
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Hey
are there nice places to live around reno?
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It's cool guys...
we have our own big three with Jrue, ET and Andre….
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
This has to be a banner day for the 5 people that happen to be Lakers and Angels fans...
F*ckers
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Let's not forget
that people are very excited about the next dodgers owner too – whomever it may be
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I think they should
but weaver made those claims about the new owners
The whole stadium thing is a real mess. I mean AIG is agreeing to make the LA convention center one of the best in the world (for free) to get this stadium built, that’s hundreds of millions of free work that the city SHOULD have already done, but there still seems to be hold ups and one of them is ’can’t break ground without a team’ and yet the NFL won’t let a team move without a stadium :)
ANother thing is that
A. The chargers are an easier fit in LA
B. They do want two teams but one NFC, one AFC, and Minneosta is a nice fit, put up in the nfc west and boot the cardinals to the south and move someone from the south to the north :)
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I randomly went on Chris Paul’s Wiki page and it was updated.
…it had him as a Golden State Warrior.
I reject your reality and substitute my own.
Open Source
is awesome
You could make him a sixer sof 5 minutes
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lol
I did that to Bo Scaife once. He got started getting text messages from him teammates. True story.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 8, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously thought
is anyone else now VERY concerned about how over paid Thaddeus Young is about to be?
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I am really depressed right now. I can't wait to see another 10 championships for LA
Orlando would be fools for not trading Dwight for Bynum. Bynum has the potential to be one of the best centers in the NBA. Definitaly better than Joakhim, Deng and whoever combined.
Except
Bynum can’t stay healthy and shows maturity problems that haven’t gone away as he ages or gets a lot of money
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Laker fan here
This trade only makes sense (basketball wise) if we get D Howard. If we don’t get Howard were one inevitable Bynum knee injury from being killed up front.
Even if you don’t (you most likely will), you’ll still have a Bynum-Paul duo for the next 7 years.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 8, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
This is a D-Wade meeting with Chicago moment.
The Lakers don’t do this unless they know Howard is coming, this year or the next.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
Yuuuppp. Howard is packing for LA as we speak
by dp on Dec 8, 2011 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
All the 'fix is in'
Dwight Howard speculation aside
Taking into account cap room, the realities of the CBA, and available assets,
How are the lakers any better than the knicks right now in terms of adding more talent?
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Hmm
mike brown does?
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I’m not a Brown guy but he took a trash CLE team to the finals. He’s got no clue on offense. It he won’t need to with this crew. He’s descent on defensive side of things.
by dp on Dec 8, 2011 5:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lebron James
took a trash CLE team to the finals
I could have done that as the head coach
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I don’t think you can take away the Dwight Howard speculation. I think LA would is working on both deals.
Nevertheless, It wouldn’t be for this year. A Bynum-Paul duo would be a good duo for the next 5 years. They’ll also convince some other douchebag all star to force a trade to them.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 8, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think
Bynum alone is worth howard – so if odom is in the first deal – the lakers don’t have enough (in my opinion) to get howard and when they sign Chris Paul they won’t have enough cap room though they still have bynum – assume he doesn’t miss another season due to injury:)
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Who would you rather have Bynum or a combination of Deng and Noah?
by The Pied Piper on Dec 8, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
A combination of deng and noah
when you factor in health and maturity issues
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And ego
Andrew Bynum said in the god dman lakers locker room in his exit interview that he wants to be ‘the man’ – on a team with kobe and pau gasol – he feels he should be the man
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This is the part of the play
where it gets “leaked” that Howard will only sign an extension with the Lakers, lowering his trade value with every other team and in effect forcing Orlando hand to accept 50 cents on the dollar for him (Bynum).
Still trying to figure out just why exactly Houston would agree to this deal.
Are they really going to build around a guy nearing the end of his prime?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Don't question
Daryl Morey – he’s never wrong
Even when he is
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How many times do these higher profile teams just rape other teams in dumb trades? Just pitiful. Good thing this last CBA was so effective.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
The new cba
restored competetive balance – weren’t you listening
Of course it doesn’t FULLY go into effect for 2 years allowing this current crop of ‘blackmail’ trades to continue – seriously – this 2 year wait is for 3 freaking guys
Williams
Paul
Howard
Why not just write the new cba and say ’these rules apply to everyone but deron williams, chris paul, and dwight howard, at least the new rules would go into effect faster
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Yeah I just don’t even know if it’s going to be all that effective once everything goes into effect in two years. Teams and players will find ways to get around it. When all is said and done, teams like the lakers will still have a bigger draw for free agents than the timberwolves.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Or New Orleans… thought they wanted young guys to build around? I think I’d heard before that the rockets like Gasol though.
New Orleans
is such a freaking mess top to bottom who knows what they’re doing
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Well I sure hope they like gasol becuase they just gutted their team to pick up an aging power forward with a pricey contract.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I think they (rockets) wanted to gut the team, because as they were there was no way they were breaking through the western conference. Pretty sure this clear up cap space and puts themselves in a position to rebuild, through draft or signings, rather than maintaining ‘continuity’…
Imagine that.
with gasol and lowry they’re probably still good enough to not be basement dwellers. Hard to rebuild with low-teen draft picks.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Yeah, and they cut some salary, but Gasol is paid almost as much as Scoal and Martin combined, so they don’t actually save that much. Maybe it gives them enough room to go after Mark Gasol, which would be awesome…
gasol brothers on the same team?!?!?!
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
That would actually be a hell of a front court.
by The Crooked Man on Dec 8, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Lebron James
took a
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Did a little reading – they’re a bit less than15 mil under the cap right now, which just so happens to be Bill Simmons’ salary estimate for Mark Gasol, listing the Rockets as one of the potential suitors…
Restricted Free Agent
the grizz would match
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I think after resigning Randolf they’re close to the cap already. Can teams exceed to match offers to RFAs?
Yes they can
Unless the cba massively changes the rules – a team can match ANY offer to a RFA regardless of their cap space / tax issues.
It’s why the RFA rule is so powerful.
Will the grizz go over the tax for him is a different story – but they can match any offer made to him regardless of their cap situation
but they have 3 days to decide
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That’s what I thought – and I don’t think they’ll even hit the tax resigning him at 15 mil. And now the Paul trades off anyway. I’ll just have to dream of my Gasol – Gasol frontcourt another day.
You know
I have a sister – i’d NEVER want to work with her – i’d kill her
I love her – but i’d kill her
working with family ain’t always smart :)
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Every brother would want to kill his sister if he had to work with her, it’s human nature.
Different with brothers, whose games so perfectly compliment each other…
I would think
brothers are MORE competitive not less
didn’t you see that espn commercial with the mannings?:)
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For those who cite “injury history”, our own Samuel Dalembert is a great example, he was oft-injured in his first few years in the league as well. But I think there’s a difference between medium-term injuries and chronic-long term injuries like a torn ACL. Sammy came back to be a productive shotblocker for several years.
Has Bynum had a serious, long-term injury in his history? Well, let’s take a look:
Andrew Bynum’s injuries:
*Jan 13, 2008- Dislocated left kneecap/bone bruise — arthroscopic surgery on May 21st 2008 — missed playoffs — returned for start of 2008-09 season on October 28th 2008
*Nov 3, 2008 — Strained rotator cuff right shoulder — didn’t miss any games
*Nov 25, 2008 — Bone spur right foot - didn’t miss any games Torn MCL right knee — no surgery — out until April 9th 2009
*Jan 31, 2009
*Nov 4, 2009 — Elbow strain — missed 2 games
*Mar 19, 2010 – Strained achilles — out until April 18th 2010
*May 1, 2010 – Torn meniscus right knee — played through playoffs — arthroscopic surgery on July 29th 2010 — out until December 14th 2010
*Jan 30, 2011 — Bone bruise left knee — missed one game
You had a couple of minor shoulder problems, and some reoccuring knee problems. The most important thing to note, is that Bynum never really opted for surgery to correct these problems as they first appeared. Instead he played through it/rested it for the Lakers playoff chances. A perfect example is the bone spur in his right leg, no surgery. Next couple of months, boom that turns into a Torn ACL.
I think if Bynum has an offseason to recover and actually take care of his body, he can have a strong season like he did last season. Also, you’ve got Chris Paul to run the pick and roll with, nuff said.
So when John complains about Bynum being out the first five games of the year, it’s like SERIOUSLY? So they’re gonna win 54 games instead of 59. The Lakers could use some additional size up front, but it’s not gonna kill them.
Of course, I understand the defensive arguments that need to be made, in the hopes of a non-Lakers dynasty. But this is Paul/Kobe, and it might recreate a Jordan/Pippen effect. Who was the Bulls center? Luc Longley, I mean seriously. Lakers got a hell of alot better with this trade.
For those who cite "injury history", our own Samuel Dalembert is a great example, he was oft-injured in his first few years in the league as well.
Dalembert had one injury that forced him to miss an entire season. He then missed 18 games total in the next 8 seasons. That’s not oft-injured.
I concede the point
I forgot about history and how it repeats it self
The lakers once trade their starting center (tall) for the draft rights of one Kobe Bryant (small) – who was drafted by the then Charlotte Hornets
Sometime thereafter, i don’t know the exact timing, the best center in the league left orlando and signed with the lakers to form a nasty pairing that led to a sick lakers dynasty (when they got the right coach.)
It may seem silly but I now believe that one way or another Dwight Howard is going to end up a laker because of the fact that history is already repeating.
And the nba will be thrilled when it happens no matter what comments they make publicly :)
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Only Pau Gasol is no Vlade Divac, Gasol has largely been a disappointment. 08 NBA Finals gets bitched out by Garnett, 011 Western Semis, Dirk takes it to him. Gasol had that one series against the Celtics again in ’010 but that was it
Gasol is a regular-season player(and a player generally against weak front courts). But if you’ve got a tough front court to body up Gasol, you can neutralize his finese game.
Not to say that Pau Gasol isn’t a good player, he’s a very good player. But Chris Paul is a superstar, even taking positions into considerations: Paul>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gasol
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
Please
don’t reply to things I write and I won’t reply to things you write – you make it impossible not to call you out on your complete lack of understanding, about anything
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 8, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I could say doubly the same about you. I could say doubly the same about most people here. I mean after all, we think we have SUCH a great player and such a GREAT TEAM.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions
SMH
Both shaking and smacking my head. That reply there just demonstrates how badly you miss the point.
Please don’t ask for my opinion on anything – you won’t get it – i’m trying NOT to get banned again – but people like you I feel the need to try to remove the veil of ignorance they happily live behind – and it gets me in trouble – so just so you know – from this point on – there will be no more comments from me to you
(Possibly this will get me banned on my own – and that’s fine)
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You are the only person here who thinks the way you do, despite all of your flaws. There’s a very good reason why you just don’t seem to get it. This reason is something you will never understand.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
And
as much as I want to I’ll never be able to SHOW him that reason and I need to stop trying – in general – to help people see the light
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Does it hurt to have the truth told to your faces? Well, I will. You’re not that smart You think 15/5/5 is great, that it’s so amazing. Ultimately, you neglect the other things. You neglect the wing’s most important part of this game. In fact you’re not even able to comprehend it!
When you can’t post up a guy, isolate a guy or even run screens and cuts for a guy(because the guy won’t cut period), that guy is effectively worthless on the offensive end. Worthless, not a penny. Hey, there’s value in his defense/rebounding and even being a point forward. But that value is no where close to 13.5 million dollars
I don’t get it Jefu? What I get is that we’re 41-41, what I get is that we run into the same damn problems every season. And what’s more is that NO ONE in the city of Philadelphia is willing to look at the elephant in the room,
and the ones who do, god bless them are deemed retarded by the retarded establishment!
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously, you wanted to get real? Let’s get real here then: When I ask you, the establishment what else. You don’t answer me, and I know why: There’s no other reason, you present no logic in your arguments whatsoever you just go ‘lol. I feel so sorry for you. I really do. I’ll stop picking on you now."
You can never, and you never have in general come up for another reason for our half-court lackluster play. It’s like:
Me: We suck in the half-court, here’s a player on our roster that absolutely sucks in the half-court.
Everyone else: Nuh-uh, he rebounds and he defends and blame the other Sixers!
You mean blame Jrue Holiday and his vastly superior isolation and shooting abilities? You mean blame Elton Brand and his pick and pop abilities? Oh, I get it: Let’s blame Thad Young, one of the few pure low post options on this team. That seems to be the theme around here lately, since he isn’t a pure four or a pure three, let’s just dump him.
Iguodala is the Elephant in the Room. Virtually every sportswriter in Philadelphia except Dei Lynam is sick and tired of it. Iggy’s 28 now, they know: It is what it is, it’s not some fan conspiracy outside of Libertyballers. It’s that everyone BUT this collective group understands the guy’s grossly overpaid and is largely the reason for our lack of success.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
this blog has a search feature. You should use that search feature and go back to previous conversations we’ve had where I did use logic and facts to disprove everything you said. The problem is you simply ignore it and digress to the point where you go in circles.
You also have said these same things before, “why don’t you present your logic to me”. You’ve said this countless times and I’ve done so countless times. You either have the worst memory known to man (and i think I know the reason why) or you are just doing this for fun.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I know a guiy
who smoked pot every freaking day and hadd a 3.95 triple major at UW-Madison and turned down (for some reason) numerous requests to apply for a rhodes scholarship
In case you think it’s pot :)
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I’ve proposed lead paint chips before…
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Hmmm
don’t know anyone who ha a lot of lead paint chips though
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it’s definitely something causing a lack of synaptic nerve functioning.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I hear inbreeding
can do the same thing
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Oh, really. And where are these logic and facts to disprove everything I’ve said? We can go search through the multiude of games where everyone’s like: OMG, Don’t isolate Iggy, he’ll miss the shot!
Apparently though, that doesn’t matter when it comes to the long-term state of this franchise. We’ll only complain about Iggy’s limitations during the games. Or we’ll overlook them due to his defense and rebounding.
Sure enough, this is what Iverson fans did, when it was the other way around. As an elite scorer, but not a defender or anything else. But here’s the difference: Iverson won you games, Iguodala does not. No, WS doesn’t count as an actual NBA win, multiple wins in which lead you to the playoffs, which in turn lead you to a Finals Appearance or a Championship.
This is the clear distinctive difference between a role player and a elite player(of any kind) in this league. The fact that you can’t comprehend that, is not my fault(or anyone else’s) but your own
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, really. And where are these logic and facts to disprove everything I’ve said?
I just told you to use the search feature at the top of the page on the right side. I’m not going to do the work for you.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
In other words: Said facts and logic doesn’t exist, because it’s never been presented. It’s much easier to ridicule me and insult me than potentially look at the Elephant in the Room
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
Are you blind?!
LOOK UP PAST CONVERSATIONS!!!!
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Why should I do the work for you? You’re the one with the internet macho muscles saying that you’ve utterly disproved that Iguodala is the problem child of our half court offense.
I’m taking it back to you after taking your insults for so long: Prove it.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
because you’re the one who asked me to prove you wrong.
I’ve done so many times before. You are a lost soul.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
See
that’s why i sold mine – for a cookie
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Name one time, one time you’ve disproved that Iguodala is the culpret of our half-court offense. If you do that, you can feel free to ask the mods to ban me from the site.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve told you repeatedly to use the search feature and look it up. I can’t help it if you’re too lazy to do this.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
How sad, it was the perfect opportunity for you to get rid of me, the so-called ultimate troll. But you didn’t want to take advantage of it.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
trust me, you’re getting rid of yourself.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
You’re right, hitting my head in a brick wall with you is such a pointless waste of my time. As well as this fanbase, it’s clear that this fanbase/management has no intention anytime soon to look at the Elephant in the Room.
Mods, please ban me from the forum. My passion for basketball and the Sixers keeps drawing me back here, despite me knowing better.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:43 PM PST up reply actions
How has this particular ownership/management done anything wrong…considering they just got here?
And is the Elephant in the room how absolutely terrible Iguodala is? And how Iguodala is responsible for every atrocity every committed in the world?
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As well as this fanbase, it’s clear that this fanbase/management has no intention anytime soon to look at the Elephant in the Room.
The management has been here for about 15 minutes and for 14 of them there was a lockout. What were they supposed to do?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Trade Iguodala
for lebron james
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DAMN THEM FOR NOT TRADING FOR JAMES.
FIRE THEM.
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Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace are the only true superstars worth trading for.
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Just stop
col d turkey – it’s the only way
there is no ‘last word’ here :)
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troll
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
If you stop feeding them
they go away
So stop feeding him :)
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It does
no ones tried it yet
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Yes, I’m the troll! That’s it, my sole purpose in life is to annoy the heck out of you. Luls….If only you were that meaningful as for me to waste my time.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 8, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
When EVERYONE on here laughs at you and disproves what you say (and on every other blog as well) shouldn’t that tell you something?
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Usually
at least one person agrees with me :)
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Oh good – it’s about to get real ugly in the NBA – they should have let ellison buy an move the team
http://twitter.com/#!/WojYahooNBA/status/144959191604408321
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And let
the tampering and collusion charges being
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Sure he is
he just got bitchslapped by the majority of his owners
If I’m chris paul – i file an unfair practices charge – they’re restricting his employment MOMENTS after they signed the CBA
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Fair point. I should have stated that it’s nice to see David Stern bending over for the other teams and not just the Lakers
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 8, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
If the hornets
had a real owner this wouldn’t matter.
Stern’s ‘stay in new orleans’ chickens are coming home to roost – and it’s going to cause a shit storm – i believe it should at least – the union has a valid collusion complaint in my mind…
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Being bent over by the other teams you mean. He’s done, this kills his credibility, as if the lockout wasn.t enough.
by J.P.Melle on Dec 8, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, in his attempts to savor what credibility he did have, he is losing it with this. Now he is a puppet for the league, not just the large market teams. I thought Bettman was the worst GM in sports, but Stern continues to make a case for himself.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 8, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
so much for conspiracy.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I believe
STERN wants the deal to happen
I think Stern has lost all his power that he used to have – he’s a figurehead now
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I'm curious
as to his next move
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Thunder have pieces maybe
I mean they’d give up westbrook right?
But do the magic?
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If the Magic built a package around Nelson, they could possibly make a deal. They don’t have much though.
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 8, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Because
The league owns the hornets and the owners have to help pay the player salaries so the conflict of interest led to it happening.
The new CBA was supposed to make a competetive balance and the first MAJOR move has one of the best available pieces going to the lakers?
There’s no way this ends well in my mind
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Does ANYONE
know a labor lawyer?
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Pretty sure that kind of collusion is legal in the labor law context. If the union was still decertified Paul could easily sue under antitrust law, and win lots and lots of money, but not now.
I'm not sure
cause even WITH a CBA didn’t the MLB owners get killed with colusion?
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I thought they did
Maybe I’m wrong but what part of the CBA of any CBA covers a league OWNING a team like this?
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I have no idea if it even does. I just know that once you are negotiating with a union, labor laws provide a lot of protection for owners/employers, which allows the NBA to have all the rules for the draft, contract restrictions, salary caps and such, that otherwise would be completely illegal. Not sure this situation has ever come up before though.
This is
a restriction of free trade or employment – or something isn’t it?
Honestly – I wnat Jerry Buss to raise some hell – that would just be UTTER chaos
I really wanted the union to de-certify and the entire thing to go to hell :)
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Not necessarily a response to your post John but
Does anyone remember the last time the NBA blocked a trade?
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How about
any professional sports league – nothing comes to mind with me?
I’m sure if this really happens ESPN will have the history :)
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(Full disclosure, I'm a 2nd year law student at temple)
Yeah, dude, that’s what I’m saying, it completely is. But because of the of the Union the league is protected from being sued. The CBA give the league the right to block a trade, right? The only wrinkle I’m unsure of here is the fact that the NBA owns the hornets, I don’t know how that complicates things.
I'm not a lawyer
but i almost went to law school :) (But not really cause i never took the lsat- the gre and mcat were enough of a pain in the ass ;)
But I figured the league ownership of the team might mitigate some of those things
and you can still try and sue the league – i mean mike williams id when he was at USC right – but he lost?
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Oh man MCAT. A doctor in the house?
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Nope
I had decided months before not to go to med school (for a variety of reasons) but i had already paid for the mcat
I scored slightly above average which i guess is good since i didn’t study and was up until about 3 the night before :)
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tk76
how ever is a doctor
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Yup this is true!
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You can try and sue whoever you want, doesn’t mean you have a case. I don’t think Chris Paul has one because the league exercised the right it negotiated with the players union to block a trade. Doesn’t matter if there’s collusion, in fact, the CBA is collusion, its a big agreement amongst a bunch of competitors to restrict the free market.
I wonder if the Lakers and the Rockets have some kind of case though. Something based on the conflict of interest created by the league owning the hornets and caving to pressure from other teams to block a trade for possibly the first time in league history.
Maybe
the lakers, rockets and paul together have a case- they’re all getting the shaft
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Jeffrey Kessler :)
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Should have qualfied my question
with the words rational and good
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So i’ve decided the real culprit in this is the atlanta hawks
it’s all their fault
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oh?
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Yeah
aren’t they the ones who didn’t draft Chris Paul 3rd?:)
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2nd. They took Marvin Williams and the Jazz took Deron Williams 3rd. But I tend to just blame Atlanta for everything, regardless of the scenario
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 8, 2011 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
Point still stands though
atlanta makes the right pick and no one wants marvin williams :)
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I love the NBA
5 owners voted against the new CBA – i’d like to know which 5
and slightly over 200 players (out of 450 or so) voted :)
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My guess is Bobcats, Sixers, Bucks, Wolves, Atlanta
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I would say Bobcats, Wolves, Wiz, Cavs, Sixers
by The Mad Hopper on Dec 8, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
I would say lakers, celtics, knicks, heat, bulls
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Because
It does
These are teams (and the mavs) who don’t care about caps or taxes and wouldn’t be all that interested in increasing the penalties (or reveneu sharing)
The new cba TARGETED these teams – the people who voted against it are most likely the teams that were considered ‘out of control’
I would pull out the celtics and add the mavericks.
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But not a single CBA report ever talked about any of those teams…. all the big market owners were the ones that wanted to get on with the season. They only time they had a problem was when the hardline owners such as the Bobcats, Wolves, Sixers, etc tried to get rid of the sign and trade.
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care to copy and paste some of your favorites?
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Oh
please don’t
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I think this one's my favorite, cause he immediately shows what an idiot he is.
J Garay850
“The NBA owners approve the trade that sent James to Miami but turned down the proposed
trade of CP3 to LA. The are all full of it. Is pop a head of the committe to stop all trade that
go thru LA?”
If you're bored
I don’t advise trolling though – can get you in trouble
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Um...
…just making sure, but wasn’t LeBron a free agent? :)
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
“It is not true that owners killed the deal,” said NBA spokesman Tim Frank. “It wasn’t even discussed at the Board [of Governors] meeting. The league office declined to make the trade for basketball reasons.”
You can’t lie any more
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