Eddie Jordan Life Update; Greg Oden Going Vader
by Michael Levin on Dec 5, 2011 11:24 PM PST
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PrintIt's been a long time since we've caught up with former coach/scapegoat/hygiene enthusiast Eddie Jordan. A quick check at our archives reveals that we haven't had a title about him in a year and a half, when the "I Survived the Eddie Jordan Era" t-shirt went on sale to rave reviews and mass hysteria that nearly the opposite of crashed the stock market. I figure now's as good a time as any to check in on ol' Braceface.
And I quote!
Eddie Jordan takes over freshman team at Carroll High School.
And now it's time for jokes, starting with the obvious one.
- Will the Lions be employing the Princeton offense? Furthermore, would Samuel Dalembert have enough skills to get regular minutes on the team?
- I'm not sure if I should be referencing Hardball, The Mighty Ducks or The Air Up There so let's settle for all three. "Jimmy Dolan loves it when you call him big Quack-a." That just about covers that.
- How long until the Carroll High School fans start rooting for losses?
- Is there some sort of middle school draft where those same fans can start a #missionWTF-esque quest for rebuilding?
- How long will it take for the kids to realize that Eddie Jordan, braces and all, is not one of their classmates?
It's all fun and games until this stomach-churning line from the same article.
He is not getting paid — though he still has $3 million remaining on his contract with the Philadelphia 76ers.
Stonefaced. Hit the jump for more sobering news.
In news that surely won't set the Earth off its axis but even more surely (Shirley) should, Greg Oden will reportedly be targeted, bound, gagged, and signed to the biggest deal the Miami Heat can offer. As a restricted free agent, albeit a unique one, the Blazers have the option to match any offer and it's likely they would. He's currently got a $8.9 million Qualifying Offer warming in the oven but for any long-term possibility, it seems like the unluckiest player this side of Mark Prior would lean in that direction. Why is it such a big deal that an injury-flooded player is hitting (restricted) free agency? Mr. Ziller?
In the first version of this ranking, I did not include restricted free agent Greg Oden. This was either an oversight or a nod to the mysterious in which G.O.D.E. exists, a dimension separate from the mundane course of "free agency" and "qualifying offers." You cannot place an integer in front of that entity. To do so would violate nature.
I'll chime in with a bit of my own from seven months ago, imploring the pre-Lockout Sixers to go after the phormer phenom from Ohio State:
When he's been on the court, he's been statistically one of the best centers in basketball. His career percentages are through the roof and his aggregate win shares per 48 minutes measures out to 0.180, head and shoulders above the Sixers leader this season in Elton Brand at 0.161. And he's done it without any semblance of a refined offensive game. If he ever learns how to actually play basketball, he will be at the highest level of basketball's stars.
Imagine that talent, healthy (EAT YOUR SALT GRAINS), and on the same team as LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say the universe would cave in on itself in an explosion of alley-oops, put-backs, and ten straight NBA Championships. Do I want this? No.
In other news, found a planet. Discuss!
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I haven't read this yet.. however...
I had PTSD flashbacks of the longest year ever. Fetal position engaged!
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
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The Artist Formerly Known As The Artist Formerly Known As Michael Bourn
by Michael Levin on Dec 6, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
The team was bad and it wasn’t all his fault, but it was pinned on him. Now, the team is mediocre again and the turnaround was credited entirely to Collins. Hence, scapegoat.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 6, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
the team was mediocre
the team had a record worse than its talent because of jordans asinine system and approach to the game
He took round pieces and tried to put them in square holes
he used almost every player improperly (and louis williams had the best season of his career, i’m just saying) and threw guys like elton brand under the bus
and he refused to use jrue holiday
That team should have made the playoffs as a 7/8 seed just as they did the two years before and the year after
Eddie Jordan was HORRIFIC which is why the only job coaching basketball he can get is freshman highschool and being unpaid
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I think the team was bad. Collins got the most out of them, EJ got the worst. Luck plays out over a season. He was a terrible coach, he just wasn’t THE REASON why everything happened the way it did. He was a big part, but he was scapegoated out to be the one.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 6, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
The team was bad
The team made the playoffs the two years before did they or did they not?
Yes Andre Miller was gone, but Brand was fully healthy
That was a playoff roster with a coach who didn’t suck
I don’t believe he was scapegoated because HE ran the stupid system HE refused to play Jrue Holiday HE threw Elton Brand under the bus HE made idiocit public comments that indicated he knew very little about how to win in the NBA
He was not scapegoated – he was awful – and the evidence to me that he wasn’t scapegoated is where he’s working now – i’m sure he’d RATHER be in the NBA but no one wants to hire him, even as an assistant
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OK
What did eddie jordan do well as the head coach of the sixers?
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I want to disagree with you but I can’t.
When a team is .488, with Mo Cheeks, then .500 with a combo of Cheeks and Tony friggin DiLeo, who had never coached a day in his life, in the two years proceeding Jordan and then .329 the year with Jordan and then magically .500 again the year after with Doug, while having fairly similar rosters during those years then you have to put most of, not all, but the overwhelming majority of the blame on Jordan.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
There's only one argument
I can see holding any water and I don’t think it’s enough
Andre Miller gone, Jrue Holiday rookie
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
There’s no one that hates EJ as a coach more than me. But I just don’t buy placing all of the blame on him. Andre Miller was a huge part of this team and pretty much everyone had down seasons. Sure, a ton of that is on EJ. But they were also really bad players. I personally don’t believe a coach at this level makes or breaks a team. They had a terrible season. EJ was a terrible fit. But he doesn’t get all the blame – that goes everywhere.
I can’t believe I’m defending Eddie Jordan.
The Artist Formerly Known As The Artist Formerly Known As Michael Bourn
by Michael Levin on Dec 6, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Which players were ‘really’ bad that magically improved under Doug Collins?
The players on the EJ team and the Collins team are basically the same (except they got WORSE at center and still made the playoffs)
Who are these ‘really bad’ players then? The roster turnover wasn’t huge between the two seasons and the only added draft pick was a non contirbutor really last year.
guys like elton brand or andre iguodala don’t get much better year over year – but somehow they had MUCH better seasons under collins versus jordan
Maybe that’s because Collins has a clue how to use players and get the most out of them while Jordan favors system above all else (including having the pieces) and throws players under the bus?
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Guys like Iguodala/Brand/Thad/etc had historically poor years that coincided with Jordan’s coaching. YES that has a lot to do with Jordan as a coach as I have said but NO do I believe that all of the blame should go to Jordan because the players should be held accountable as well. You’re being argumentative, you know what I’m saying, this isn’t a worthwhile argument.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 6, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
You’re right it’s not a worthwhile argument because you haven’t really made a valid point other than ’it’s not jordans fault’
The fact that the only player who had a better season under jordan than under most other coaches is louis williams tells me a lot
Jordan crushed the spirit of guys – he coached a horrible system AND THEN threw them under the bus at the same time.
At some point if you work for someone who blames you when anything goes wrong – you stop working as hard as you can because you see that you’re not appreciated
that’s on the employer – not the worker
Maybe you need to have a really shitty boss to understand it – i’ve had numerous shitty bosses who never showed appreciation but always clal out the mistakes – that’s not someone you want to keep working for – and that’s on the employer (coach) not the employee (player)
I can’t believe you think Elton Brand just ‘got better’ at his age under collins
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he is trying to say that
the blame doesnt just go to jordan but also the idiots that hired him and the entire coaching staff that was put in to place
by sd3 on Dec 6, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
And unfortunately, it can’t hold water. Every opportunity Jrue got, he took advantage of. Remember the Washington game a couple of years ago? Like usual in the Face brace “era”, we couldn’t stop anyone and we were down by like 12-14 with a few minutes left. So retarded Eddie enters Jrue like he’s some scrub(before this, Royal Ivey, ROYAL IVEY would be splitting PG duties with Willie Green. It was beyond absurd).
Jrue OWNS Gilbert Arenas with a major block, hitting a couple of three’s a steal.(Unfortunately, youtube doesn’t have any clips of this game but boy as a Holiday Homer, I remember it.) So we’re all like “give Jrue an opportunity, let’s see if this kid is for real.”
We wouldn’t see that opportunity until beyond the all-star break when we were already out of playoff contention. But kid showed us two things: He had handles and he had DEFENSE. Defense we sorely needed at that one position. Had Jrue been named the starter as he should have been, we probably do make the playoffs. Remember the 7 steals game against Mike Bibby and the Hawks? He also contributed a solid 13 points.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 7, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
DiLeo actually had been a coach before...
We should of kept him over Braces but then that probably means we don’t have Turner & Collins right now
Tony Dileo
Is a strong asset running the drafts, as long as he is listened to.
Didn’t he not want the job?
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I think so but I remember some reporters were saying when he had the PC to say he was that it didn’t really seem like he wanted to so maybe he was encouraged to take his name out?
No idea
I wanted him back in the draft room personally
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So according to reports the blazers are confident brandon roy will be healthy by training camp. Doesn’t sound like waiver material to me
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I think regardless of that, he will never live up to his salary, they would be so dumb to not amnesty him.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And I agree with that, but if the Blazers aren’t using the most obvious waiver option, I gotta wonder who is really going to use it this year.
Reportedly the Wizards won’t use it on Rashard Lewis either, which again makes no sense to me
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All that does is save them tax money – doesn’t clear significant cap money (if they waive arenas they’re only 3 mil under the cap according to Aldridge, which shows you how bad their contract situation is overall)
I believe the Magic first and foremost must solve the Howard conundrum
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Sure they can use it whenever they want. They have Camby’s almost 13 mil coming off the books after this year, plus Felton’s 7.5. And if they don’t match Oden then that’s another 8+ off the books. I guess it all depends on how much they want to in the short term.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Is it better to draft for need or potential?
I feel like most of our past drafts we’ve always went after need and not best player on the board or potential.
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When?
Which pick do you think was not the best player on the board? I advocate ALWAYS picking the best player on the board.
I will not say ‘evan turner wasn’t the best player on the board’ because you could find people who said that Turner was the second pick in the draft – i know some people thought favors were but there was no type of consensus from people in the know that turner was a bad pick and it’s too early to say who worked out better.
I personally think, in general, that drafting is one thing the sixers do well
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Outside of Vucevic that’s untrue.
2010: Turner was considered the BPA at #2 even though C/PF was seen as a bigger need.
2009: Jrue was both the need pick and the BPA so it really didn’t matter.
2008: Speights was drafted with Dalembert at C and a plan to sign a PF (Brand or Josh Smith) in free agency. They had also drafted Jason Smith the season before and there was still hope for him. Biggest need was SG.
2007: Thad was seen as a potential SF with Iguodala and Korver already on the team and Carney drafted the season before. They also drafted Jason Smith at C/PF in a spot where he was likely considered the BPA. Needs were SG and PF.
Perhaps Jrue was a need but he was also the best player. Turner was considered the best player at #2 while big man was seen as the bigger need. Thad was seen as a future SF when we already had Iguodala, Korver, and drafted Carney the year before.
Whoops. Ignore that last paragraph. I started writing it before I started numbering and forgot to delete it.
Well
you could argue the turner point because
A. There wasn’t a large ‘consensus’ around the experts regarding Turner versus Favors
B. Many people questioned Turner and Iguodala together on the same court whereas the sixers had only brand in the front court really
I’m not saying Turner was the wrong pick but many thought another way was the idea – including Collins?
In general though I think the sixers best work is in the draft.
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I would say that at least 75% of the draft experts had Turner as #2 on their draft board.
C/PF was still seen by most as a bigger need than SG. Which means the Sixers absolutely avoided the “need” pick and instead picked who they thought was the best player. I’m not sure how this is even arguable.
It’s arguable that Turner wasn’t the best player at #2 – I don’t argue it – I don’t argue that the sixers THOUGHT he was the best player available, but there are people (more than a ‘small minority’) that argue Favors may have been the better long term choice at #2, heck some people thought he should go t#1.
Last years draft wasn’t as clear cut as previous years, that’s all…personally I agree that they always take the BPA and always hould but with Turner some can argue it wasn’t the best player at the time, purely on talent regardless of need…turner isn’t helping any by his pitiful rookie year :)
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Schedule is out
http://www.nba.com/sixers/schedule/
Nice to see the dumb ass western road trip is still in gear
and the traditional new years eve second half of a back to back is ‘back’
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9 of the last 11
on the road – including the final 5 i believe
Hope the playoffs aren’t in doubt
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Who the hell came up with that schedule? I don’t EVER remember a team ending the season with that many games on the road.
by The Crooked Man on Dec 6, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t ever remember teams having back to backs to back – this year the sixers have 2 of them
I’m sure it’s one of logistics. Who knows – maybe there’s something at the wachovia center that week?
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