Your Thoughts on Restricted Free Agent Thaddeus Young
by Michael Levin on Dec 5, 2011 10:02 AM PST
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PrintWe have a number of enigma's on the Sixers. Andre Iguodala: Enigma. Louis Williams: Enigma. Marreese Speights: Enigma. Jim Carrey: E. Nigma. But none of them, save the Riddler, are in as precarious a position as Thaddeus Young.
As a restricted free agent, the Sixers can match any offer sheet by another team. We saw how that worked out a few years ago with Josh Smith and the soft Grizzlies offer that the Hawks happily matched. For all accounts, the Sixers are hell bent on keeping the 23 year old tweener. From Kate Fagan via my boy Michael Katz at SBN:
"As far as we're concerned, Thad is a key player for us. He's a player that I think really took advantage of the coaching he got from Doug and the other coaches and really came back to where he was two years ago and built on that. We love Thad. All things being [equal] ... let's say we don't sign him but somebody else does. As long as it's reasonable, we'll definitely match it. He's a key guy for us. We need him. And we definitely want to have him back.
"Anytime there is money to be spent, you're worried. And there were so many teams under the cap and a lot of them substantially and particularly when you factor in the ability to amnesty a player -- that brings even more teams into play. I've been through this too many times. You like to say that a player is going to get between here and here (salary-wise), but it only takes one team. So you never know. You never say, 'We're going to sign this particular guy for this.' Because you never know."
Before we weigh in with our thoughts and rants on what should be done with Thad, we're giving you the floor to decide how high the Sixers should go to retain him. Try to be civil.
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I believe I made my feelings clear when I said I don’t find him any more valuable than Louis Williams at this time.
Buying the ’hasn’t reached his prime’ premise, maybe 7-8 mil as a base salary, but nothing more. If someone offers him some crazy salary above 10 mil a year – let him walk – he’s a bench player
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
Some great players came off the bench, it doesn’t matter who starts or comes off the bench it matters who plays the most minutes
And I’m well aware of that but if he wants ‘starter money’ he should have ‘starter skills’ and he doesn’t
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Well I think The Legend was hinting at the point that the term “starter” does not always apply. Someone could be labeled a starter and play less minutes that a bench player, like in Thad’s case.
In other words, just because you are labeled a starter may not make you more valuable than a bench player.
i know what his point was, but it doesn’t apply to thaddeus young in my opinion cause you can’t play him when you ‘need defense’.
The perception that half players are worth 10 million dollars, by both fans AND owners is a huge problem with the nba.
He’s not a 35 MPG player, i don’t care if he starts or is benched, he’s a 25MPG player, barely half the game
That deserves more than 7 or 8 mil a year?
If you think so THAT"S what’s wrong wit the nba, and that won’t be fixed by the new cba if people still can’t evaluate what you need to win a championship
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PS
Unless I ask for an explanation I’m usually quite clear on what someone means and don’t need extra explanation…I don’t believe Thaddeus Young is a great player or worth ‘great player’ money – and if one believes Thaddeus Young is a great player, that’s an entirely different problem
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PS
Unless I ask for an explanation I’m usually quite clear on what someone means and don’t need extra explanation
Are you always going to be like this or are you just having a bad day?
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
No
He is always like this. Just look at all of the comments from GoSixers on depressedfan. I knew it was him the day he started posting here.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly I never visit that site. Not for any particular reason, just never did.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
you should. Brian’s quite the dedicated fan. I don’t always agree with everything he says, but he spends a lot of time piecing together his analysis. I’ve certainly learned a lot and came to understand the game in more evolved ways than I used to.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I tend to take umbridge with people thinking i’m uniformed – that’s all :)
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Well I don’t want to speak for Ben but having read him enough, I don’t think he was assuming you were uninformed, just clarifying. It’s easy for the point to get missed on these boards without any malice being meant.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah, ben has never seemed to be one to do that type of stuff
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
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by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 3:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
BEN ROCKS!
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by Michael Levin on Dec 5, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
I tend to take umbridge with people thinking i’m uniformed
I think you are uniformed. I’m thinking maybe a circa-1950’s milkman. :)
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!
Yeah that’s what you’re wife said (or mom depending on your age ;)
Sigh, very bad typo – long freaking day :)
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Yeah that’s what you’re wife said
Definitely not the guy you wanted to say that to.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I should note that I know you didn’t mean anything by it. More a matter of wrong place at the wrong time perhaps.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Whoops – sorry – me and tact don’t get along very well – was only meant as a busting balls kind of way
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I figured as much. And he may not even care, just putting that out there for the future.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
i bought a thad young jersey and then 8 hours later the lockout ended
so based on the tebow principle he must be a miracle worker and be given max salary.
JODIE CHEEKS
We aren’t going anywhere anytime soon so a guy like Thad is a luxury not a necessity. Agree that I’d like to keep him for a reasonable price but otherwise I’m not willing to overpay for him.
Good thing about Young is he’s young. When this team could actually compete he’d be in his mid-20s. So if the sixers don’t have to overpay for him, he should definitely stay on the team long term.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Hits head It’s BECAUSE we’re not going anywhere, that Thad’s a keeper. Look, Nikki and Hawes and Brackins probably won’t amount to anything in the NBA, anytime soon. Those are like 3 of the so-called “young core”, the Sixers have.
Add in Lou to the mix, and there’s half of your “young core” at very limited, to absolutely no upside.
Young, Turner, Holiday are the few high level talents the Sixers have on this roster. With Brand and Iguodala barely topping off at above average for their positions.
I’m not gonna butt heads with John, but I will say he needs to widen his perspective if he keeps comparing a one-dimensional gunner in Lou that takes AWFUL shots, compared to a low-post/mid-post caliber player in Thad Young.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 5, 2011 6:13 PM PST up reply actions
Hits head It’s BECAUSE we’re not going anywhere, that Thad’s a keepe
Cause that move means the sixers are headed up town?
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No, because it means you need to take a step back to take a step forward. And our views on Thad are night and day. You compare him to Lou, which is so vague and inaccurate of a comparison. Yes, they were both scorers “off the bench”, the way in which they did it, suggests totally different upsides.
Lou was and is a chucker, and he drew more fouls from shooting then attacking the basket. He is who he is.
Thad’s a guy who got what, 12-13 PPG last year off incredibly high percentages and a very solid free throw shooting percentage. I mention that because Thad due to his half-court game actually AVOIDED contact. What if Thad drew that contact, and got say 5 FTA a game? That 12-13, becoming a legit 16-17 a game?
And although I think people weren’t watching, Thad’s rebounding got massively better last year, against better competition. I remember one of the wins we got, against Chicago AT Chicago, Thad goes off for a double/double against the Noah/Boozer front line. And there were several games over the course of his career where Thad has aggressively attacked the glass.
It’s not a matter of “he can’t do it”, it’s a matter of consistency and I at least saw that consistent and constant performance last year.
Thad to me, has the potential to be a legit hybrid forward in this league. Lou is Lou, I don’t expect anything new from him.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 5, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions
It's not so much vague and inaccurate
As the comparison was not regarding their specific skills but what they bring overall – which to me is very little.
There is a vehement overly emotional contingent of posters that include you that seem to think that Thaddeus Young has shown enough in four years to indicate he’ll be some sort of very good basketball player. When asked to support this assertion, generalities regarding age groups or ‘points per game’ are the arguments used, whereas questions specific to Thaddeus Young’s lack of certain abilities over the past four years are just ignored or written off to ‘his young and he’ll get better, it’s guaranteed’ type thinking, though there’s no actual evidence from the first four yours of his career that this is very likely.
You seem very passionate about what you believe, but passion without being informed is useless
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How am I not informed? Overall, Thad has had struggles, I’ve admitted that. But Thad has had more constant progress over these past four years. First Thad is an energizer bunny off the bench as a rookie, then he’s a starting F as a sophomore, having to move over to PF when Brand went down. He was overall solid as both a SF and a PF. Though, the coorlation with us winning was pinned on Thad moving to PF. No, it was us sliding in Willie Green.(Though his shot selection was awful, he was at least another perimeter player)
This goes to why I have loath towards #9. In the NFL, your ranked for your Rush and your Pass Offense. Let me vaguely rank the Sixers offense(ranked 18th last year)
Fast Break Offense: 5th
Half-Court Offense: 20th
Okay, does that make it easier for people to understand? We’re a prolific fast-break team, it [b] does not matter[/b] we’re still a crappy offensive unit. No matter how many fast break dunks we slam down.
Willie Green gave us then that year, a barely-average mid-range shooter and that allowed our half-court offense to be better.
That’s also what the Jodie Meeks effect gave us as well. Perimeter basketball IS important, and it’s something that the Sixers have lacked since Iverson’s departure. Not a “30 PPG scorer”, but rather: Someone, ANYONE who can execute in the half-court.
John: Thad happens to be one of those players, and he happens to be one of the very few low post scorers on this team. You lose Thad, and we are a lottery team. The EJ year, he takes more jumpers and overall tries to do too much, he slumps. In the Collins year, Collins asks him to be the Hybrid Forward he can be, and he responded.
Thad is a hybrid forward, potentially a very good one. I’m not letting that go, because of the flaws on the roster. Cuz we’re not the Mavericks, Spurs, or Lakers John. We’re the Sixers. IT’S TIME. It’s time to rebuild, and it’s time to rebuild seriously. Jrue, Thad, Turner are three guys with half-court potential, they can be two-way players.
The Sixers need to build a team.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 5, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Let me vaguely rank the Sixers offense(ranked 18th last year)
“They were ranked #17 last season. Tied with Boston”: http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/order/true
I know this seems knit-picky at first, but if you consider just how often LeQuan skews/makes up facts to strengthen his point then I think it’s necessary to point it out.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
I don’t care so much either way, he is still young (pun’d) so I wouldn’t be upset if they keep him but like everyone else said it needs to be for the right price as he is a bench player albeit a good one.
Should have added a poll:
KEEP HIM!
Keep him for the right price
Let him walk
my guess would be most people would take option 2
Like most of us
I’d love to have him back but for the right price. If he really is looking for 11 million per then I have no problem with the team letting him walk.
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Put me in the "Yes, for the right price group",
my question is how many teams are out there that want him, and are willing to pay 10, 11 mill for him?
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 11:25 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Ideally, a situation similar to the Josh Smith one mentioned in the article happens and we can match a $6-7M per year offer to retain him. Worst case scenario is a team like Indiana or Sacramento offers him $10-11M and we decide to match it because management views him as indispensable. Based on the comments coming from the front office, it doesn’t appear that they’re going to go wild matching an overambitious offer my another team. Losing Thad to a high offer would fall somewhere in between those two scenarios. As others have mentioned, Thad is a great commodity to have on a contending team (which we are not) but is still young enough to be a part of whatever core management constructs for when we are a contender a few years down the road (hopefully).
What is the market for Thad going to be though? are there teams that will offer 10 to 11 mill for him?
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 12:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Thad is a top free agent on the market. Plenty of teams have cap space. This isn’t 2007 when only 3 teams had cap space.
Anything over 8 million- no thanks.
Doesn’t mean teams are going to be stupid and over pay him…he’s maybe the fourth most sought after free agent at the moment – maybe
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He’s 23 and has a lot of potential. Travis Outlaw got 7 million last year. I really don’t think GMs have wised up and the CBA really hasn’t changed anything
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Rod Thorn give Travis Outlaw 7 million or was it Billy King
I think some GMs are wiser, of course it only takes one stupid gm
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Rod Thorn
But Billy King did give Kenny Thomas 10 million.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
I appreciate the Batman Forever reference.
I also appreciate Thad Young and what he brings to the team. As long as they don’t vastly overpay him, I really want him on the team in the future.
That seems to be the general consensus here anyway, and I agree.
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If we could sign him for 6-8 Million a year, and keep him on as a role-player, that would be
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And yet it wasn’t the worst bat man movie – thaks joel schumacher
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Right now Thad is an average 4 in the league
Yes, he’s bad at defense and rebounding, but in my opinion:
Efficient scoring + average/bad at other stuff = average starting-caliber player
I’ve read average starting-caliber players are typically payed ~10 million in free agency. And yes he comes off the bench, but if you look at who Doug has on the floor in the 4th quarter in crunch time, its most likely Thad at the 4 and Brand at the 5. Figuratively, that’s a starter-caliber player to me. I guarantee he’s starting on at least half the teams in the league.
Given his relative young age, my MAX would be something along the lines of 10/11.5/13 for 3 years. This is a slight overpay in year 1 because he won’t be getting enough minutes because of Brand’s inability to play the entire game at center, but I’m fine with that because the Sixers are not looking to contend this year and Brand is most likely gone next year.
Now don’t get me worng, I would LOVE to pay 7 or 8 million and would do so in a heart break, but I have no problem paying a player what he’s worth, and to me Thad is a 10m player on the open market.
He’s an average 3/4 tweener
He’s neither 3 nor 4
Which is part of the problem.
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That's called versatility
Being able to play 2 positions is not a bad thing.
It’s not really being versatile so much so as not being able to play either position for more that 25 mpg.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason why he couldn’t play more was because he’s being blocked by EB. He put his stats up playing ~66% of his minutes at the 4. That shows me an ability to play the 4. Not to mention, collins thought he could play the 4 at crunch time in the 4th quarter in practically every game.
He can’t rebound or defend the post as well as Brand. That’s why he wasn’t getting starter minutes.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions
And I agree. Right now, Brand is the better player, but that’s not to say Thad would be any bit less effective if Brand wasn’t on the roster.
If you have Thad playing 4, who is going to get the rebounds on the Sixers? I’m excited for Vuc, but I’m not gonna kid myself into thinking Vuc will be a monster rebounder. If you have Vuc and Thad playing together as 4 and 5 for extended periods of time together, who is going to rebound for the Sixers?
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jrue, Iggy, and ET are all above average rebounders for their position. Is Thad really that bad, where the rest of the team couldn’t pick up the slack?
Jrue, Iggy, and ET weren’t enough to out rebound Joel Anthony and Chris Bosh.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
The problem isn’t just Thad, it is that if you have that at 4 and Vuc at 5, you are not going to be very effective rebounding, and the 4 and 5 should be your core of rebounding, not your guards picking up the slack.
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 3:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t know if I would plan on Vuc being the center of the future. The guy hasn’t played a minute yet. If I were running the front office I would making acquiring a proven productive center my number 1 priority in the next 2 years.
Well proven productive centers grow on trees – they’re easy to get
I mean the sixers traded one away for spencer hawes who was much bett….oh wait a minute
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
Honestly, on second thought we agree on mostly everything except two things:
Your equating Thad to Lou, whereas I believe Thad’s shown much more versatile upside and that Lou is and always will be a bench player.
And the #9 situation.
I think we both agree on Hawes: Waste of size, potential talent and might as well go to the NBDL.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 5, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Collins also thought Iso-ing Iggy was our best crunchtime play...
There were times last year when it made sense to play Thad at the end of games and there were times when it had more to do with our options at center. If he had an outside shot he’s definitely a starter, but without one he’s not quite a 3 and also not quite a 4. I like him, but at 6’8" with a hybrid game and no outside shot I think even his potential peak is still a 6th man role.
But he’s effective and was a big part of this team last year.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Yay – he was effective on a team that had no shot of winning a round in the playoffs
let’s over pay him to continue to be effective on a team with no shot of winning a round in the playoffs cause he’s taking up cap room that could be used more intelligently
GO CONTINUITY
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Why – i don’t have to – the sixers aren’t going to win a title any time soon – let him walk – DONT waste the money on someone else.
This is the problem with the NBA and fans – if teams have cap room and don’t use it – they get mad – but if they miss on option A they better overspend on option B and fans get mad
The sixers have a roster full of holes – Thaddeus Young plugs none of them – why waste a 4 year contract on him if you think it’s above market value?
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Well that’s where we disagree. I’m not advocating overspending (in my opinion). And we are going to have only 1 hole, although a huge one. Center. I honestly believe this team as is, is 1 player away from being a contender in the East. And given the youth of the team, for an extended time too.
One Hole?
No PF beyond Brand (not raw, none, zip, zilch, nothing) and his career is nearing its end.
No 2 guard worthy of playing 35 MPG
And the ONLY skill they have on their bench is scoring – that’s it – a lot of guys who can score -a nd very little else that’s proven.
If you really think the sixers have only one hole to make them a contending team, we can’t have a rational conversation
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Nope
Got it go with Franklin Dogg.
He’s spells his last name with 2-g’s cause he’s hardcore.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Just not Mart E. Moose.
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
I know.
A Moose? A f’n Moose? Are you kidding me?
I hope they didn’t hire some expensive marketing director to come up with this shit.
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
If that moose wins, I’m becoming a Grizzlies fan or something. I thought they said it was going to be an animal related to and native of the Philadelphia area. Unless you count stray dogs, neither of the two animals has ANYTHING to do with the city.
Hopefully this isn’t a bad sign of what the ownership is willing to spend money on.
@MacNaismith on twitter
Kate Fagan likes the moose …
formerly jdcvr6
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that JohnADD was right
fuck that bitch
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by xEgan on Dec 5, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
uhhhhhhh
what? do we have to pick one?
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Bring
Back
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'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
by nyunole on Dec 5, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I want them to have a mascot that is a Liberty Bell and name him “Bill the Bell”
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I want them to have a mascot that is a Liberty Bell and name him"Bill the Bell"
Donger
'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford
by nyunole on Dec 5, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The CEO's twitter is awesome
he keeps talking about improving the ‘fan experience’
However, none of hat he mentions includes improving the roster
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Well can’t really do anything with the roster without cap space & the new owners have already said that they are leaving the roster to Thorn & Collins
Not for long
Thorn will not be building the roster for long
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
You’re expecting Levien to take over at some point?
formerly jdcvr6
"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight
If he’s the guy who worked for the kings, yes I think so. I don’t know a lot about what went on at Sacramento, obviously, no one really does, but it seems like he was pushed out the door and still has a hunger to build an NBA team ‘his own way’.
He seems a guy who wants to prove something and found a way to be part of an ownership group but he wants to be more involved in the team building. Thorn may stay on in an advisory capacity but I expect Levien (seriously folks, can’t we just spell names the accepted way Mr Levien, Mr Wade, Mr Speights?) to take a much stronger hand in the building of the roster after the ‘ownership stuff’ is taken care of.
Though I’m wavering, I’m still positive on Tony Dileo being kept on but everyone else can go
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To be honest, the moose looks the best of all of them, but I just can’t talk myself into voting for an animal that has absolutely nothing to do with Philly.
Big Ben it is. Although he should stand 7’6" instead of 7 feet.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Oh gawd.
I thought Captain Steve Hiller or Agent J was going to be our mascot!
LET DOWN.
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Nuggets talking to Thad Young
just posted this in the Fanshots
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"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight
Fagan just confirmed on Twitter as well.
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Vucevic is now on Twitter
and you can’t read anything hes writing!
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"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight
So I have decided that I want the Sixers to let Brand play out his contract then if Andre decides to exercise his option Amnesty him, if not you have a crap load of cap space in 2013/2014.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Can’t they just amnesty brand and trade iguodala to a team worthy of him?
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
Yes. I am just trying to figure out what a team’s thought process would be with Andre’s 15 mil option. Would they be more or less likely to want him in a trade? I have no real answer for that.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
You trade for him with the presumption he’s going to use it.
My true name is Stormageddon Bazinga Jones
That doesn’t mean the team trading for him is under that same impression. A team may be more willing to trade for him as an expiring so they may want him to guarantee he won’t exercise it. Or, a team may be more willing to trade for him, or give up more for him knowing they have him an additional year so they may want him to exercise it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
My fear is that with the Sixers luck, we will have a lot of cap space then, but not attract a star, and they would then have to spend a lot of the cap to reach the floor, and nothing would really change. I still agree it would be the best option.
"Great, I got that "excited/scared" feeling. Like 98% excited, 2% scared. Or maybe it's more - It could be two - it could be 98% scared, 2% excited but that's what makes it so intense."
-Armageddon
by flyrman57 on Dec 5, 2011 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
they would then have to spend a lot of the cap to reach the floor
over pay guys on one year deals and then do the whole thing over again
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This is my dream.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 5, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
I think Doug could possibly be that attraction a lot of today’s players like him a lot plus if we amnesty Brand we’ll probably have the $$ to attract one
Doug Collins?
doug Colins is a draw?
How many titles have teams he’s been coaching won?
How many jobs has he has that have lasted a complete 3 years – and how long ago would that be?
Even if coaches WERE a draw in the NBA – Collins would not be – he never lasts long enough
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lmfao. But he could be a draw for promising wing players. He’s had a lot of success with Jordan and Grant Hill
by The Pied Piper on Dec 5, 2011 4:19 PM PST up reply actions
And then
he was canned so better coaches could actually win with them :)
Seriously though – these are desperate straw grasps to justify Philadlephia as an attractive free agent destination.
1. Bad weather
2. No night life compared to a miami or LA
3. Income Tax (Texas don’t have it)
4. A mostly apathetic fna interest combined with a history of the ‘dedicated’ fans turning on folks quickly and often (and often with a racial undertone)
Who was the last big free agent besides Brand to take a deal with Philadlephia…not a guy who started here, but a real big name that said ‘yes i want to play with philadelphia’ (and brands decision was influenced by his wife)
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Hmm
I rest my case?
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All things equal, the city means nothing. It’s $$$ and likelyhood of winning a championship which matter.
The city CAN matter
but there’s nothing special about Philadelphia that draws players in the NBA to it
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There’s nothing special about Boston either, or Dallas, or San Antonio. The players don’t live in their respective cities permanently anyway. As soon as the season ends, they fly back to where ever their permanent residence is. Lebron and Bosh didn’t go to Miami because of the beach. They went because that was the only team that could afford to have Lebron, Wade, and Bosh on one team at the same time. If it was Philly instead of Miami, they would have done the same thing.
Texas
How many big name free agents did the celtics sign (no shaq wasn’t big name – he was past his prime desperate to be relevant and get one more ringt) – They traded for Allen and Garnett, they draft Rondo and Pierce
Texas
1. No Snow
2. No State Income Tax
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Does Scott Williams count?
One of my favorite Spectrum memories involved a middle aged guy heckling Williams non-stop from the upper deck. Guy exhausted himself and left before the end of the first-quarter. Your 1994-95 76ers!
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Let me start off by saying I like Thad as a player and from what I can tell he’s a nice guy. However some things I’ve seen people post I disagree with. I think its important to not look at the age of a player, but rather the years he’s played in the league, it’s a better indicator of experience and potential growth. To expect a MAJOR jump in production in certain areas at thsi point, is not realistic. My opinion on Thad is that he a is a good bench player, certainly a nice piece to have but almost definitley not worth what he will end up being paid. Playing under Collins is the best thing that’s happened to him from a development standpoint but you also can’t forget that last year was a contract year. I fully expect us to match any offer he’s made, which I hope for the sake of the future isn’t anything over 7 million at the most.
To expect a major jump in production. Not realistic. To expect a moderate jump in production. realistic.
True, obviously this is my opinion but I don’t see him making enough of a jump in production to match what It’s looking like he’ll get payed. Keeping Thad would be nice but not for the amount his agent is looking for
A moderate jump in production
would not make him a worth replacement of Elton Brand
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I really don’t care about the salary – i care about the production – if you’re only talking salary as a reason he can replace Brand I suppose that if evan turner shows moderate improvement he can replace andre iguoddala for 12-13 million dollars less?
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missed ya
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by Michael Levin on Dec 5, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
nick smith <3
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by Tanner Steidel on Dec 5, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve been thinking, as I reflected on how close the sixers were to having an Iverson/Duncan dynasty.
The NBA draft lottery still needs to be fixed. Teams like the spurs who suffer a major one year injury and then get the #1 pick, is that really fair?
They talked about how in the lockout that if a whole season was missed the lottery / draft order would be determined by average record of the last 3 or 5 seasons.
I’m wondering if maybe the lottery should always be determined based on more than one season. It lessens the impact of tanking (yeah you cleveland, for lebron) and it eliminates the ‘super star injury we get the #1 pick’ thing that had the spurs get tim duncan.
It’s probably never going to happen but I think it’s something the league should consider
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That would be an interesting idea but couldn’t it also make the disparity even worse? Take the 76ers situation for example. The team has been mediocre for years and a system like that would seem to just help keep them drafting in the middle of the rounds. I think the two situations that you mentioned are more the exceptions to current format rather than the norm. I could be wrong though.
I hadn’t completely and really thought it through – maybe there’s a way to score for playoff appearances – etc…to make it work out, if you’re mediocre for years now you’ll stay mediocre, keep getting that 8 seed, keep getting that 15th pick and not be in the lottery :)
The sixers getting the second pick was a gift from eddie jordan
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The whole idea of being rewarded for sucking (in all sports) has always been puzzling to me. If it was up to me it would just be random order.
nah
I wouldn’t want to see LAL get the number 1 pick and then trade him for another superstar
by The Pied Piper on Dec 6, 2011 7:15 AM PST up reply actions
Its probably already been said, but this new CBA really hurts the Sixers- especially with regards to re-signing Thad to a fair deal.
1. The cap is artificially high at 58M for the next 2 seasons.
2. Teams expected a lower cap and cleared space the last few years. But now they are required to spend 85% of the cap.
So a bunch of teams like Denver have to either throw extra money a FA or lose the money (in a tax to the players for being below 85% of the cap.)
Thad is exactly the type of player that will get an above market value contract thrown at him. he won’t be worth the money, but he his age and talent will make him the logical target for teams that are “forced” to overpay.
For the next 2 seasons the new CBA is worse than the old one- especially with regards to “system issues.”
New ownership hasn’t made a single decision yet. Hard to tell if it even matters until they show what they’re willing to do, or not do. It seems right now they’re very focused on things that have nothing to do with the actual team
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Well they have changed some ticket prices I believe.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yes, sorry
Sorry, I was referring to basketball decisions, while they’ve been limited in the decisions they could make, nothing they’ve done, or said, to me, reflects any basketball decision making, just silly PR stuff like reducing prices in tickets they couldn’t sell last year anyway and the dumbest mascot search since the move summer catch
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I don't have a lot of faith
in new ownership because of where the money guys came from, the kind of business mentality one has in that industry. I’m keeping an open mind, but we’ll see what happens when they start making decisions.
So far, if Fagan is accurate, their first decisions seems a smart one to me.
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Great reading the comments over here.
My Nuggets supposedly have an offer out to Young, but we wont know the amount until Friday afternoon I guess, if then. I was impressed with Thad in seeing him a very limited amount. Comments here have helped me get a feel for how y’all feel about him.
Not a big fan of this 85% floor … Kroenke Sports Enterprises doesn’t like to waste money, so rather than just pay the difference out I think the Nuggets will toss a big offer or two out … although it’s sounding like Nene and Arron Afflalo will both be back in Denver (Nuggets will still have room to ink Young or make an offer.)
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