Rumor: Marreese Speights Getting Moved
by Michael Levin on Dec 10, 2011 8:57 AM PST
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PrintLost in the shuffle of Thaddeus Young and the Sixers nearing a deal and subsequently agreeing to one was a small dependent clause of a Tweet by Sixers beat writer Kate Fagan, who by the way will be leaving the Inquirer for ESPN'ier pastures come Wednesday. Below is that Tweet.
This is kind of big news. Not Chris Paul Big News, because some people around the league still haven't realized the talent and Twitter Extraordinaire that is Marreese Speights, but for Sixers fans it's definitely something. Speights had shown flashes of potential in his three seasons in Philly, but it's been clear since Doug Collins came in that the two didn't like each other. Mo Speezy took to Twitter to complain about not getting minutes, Doug Collins took to his corn-cob pipe to complain about young kids on his lawn. Mo is definitely a talent, but it's obvious that this is Doug's team and it was only a matter of time before Speights was nudged out for his lackadaisical play and me-first mentality. He's scheduled to make $2.7 million this year before being a restricted free agent next offseason. A long term deal, we'd guess, doesn't seem to be in the cards.
Is there a potential suitor out there looking for the most unbankable 20 and 10 in the league? Probably a few murmurs. The good people of Detroit Bad Boys seem interested, having brought up a possible Kyle Singler/Will Bynum package for the former Gator. That's probably a good assessment of his market value, and if it were up to me I might pull the trigger on that deal. Doubtful that Speights is one of the few who would keep Dwight Howard happy in Orlando. Though I would pay to see Dwight do a Speights impression.
The way Fagan phrased it made a parting of the ways sound imminent. What kind of return do you think the Sixers could pull from a Speights deal? How can we collectively mourn the loss of the best passer of our time? Leave your suggestions and your Speeziness below.
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All attempts at humor aside
I had high hopes for the sixers when they drafted Speights. He had the talent and I thought the sixers saw past the reported immaturity and practice issues into who Speights really was and that they saw he would mature and take all aspects of basketball seriously.
Turns out, at that point in the draft, it was one of those high risk high reward picks and the sixers had no special insight into Speights. Reports from various people about his desire, dedication and work ethic turned out to be true. Speights was a guy I was excited when the sixers got, after season one I had some concerns, after season 2, I had given up on him. No improvement in season 2 in any of his weaknesses, continued shooting every time he touches the ball.
He won’t be the first player who lacked what’s as important as talent or ability to make it in the NBA, he won’t be the last, but if he had as much dedication to basketball as he does to wasting time, he could have been a great player in my opinion, and the sixers would have had another late round steal.
Sometimes they don’t work out – and this one didn’t.
If the sixers get a first round pick for him without having to take back a single contract, that’s a win, but i expect a second round pick and some other similarly disappointing player (and a protected second round pick)
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shooting the ball everytime he touched it
of course he did. he shot the ball no matter where he was on the court. but then again he actually made his shots. Who knows…maybe he’ll learn to rebound this year…
If we can get a backup PG in Will Bynum for Speights, I’ll take it. To be honest, I wasn’t expecting even that much. The guy has talent, no doubt, but doesn’t seem smart enough to know how to play in an offense/defense. Thus, wasted talent. Although Ricko disagrees.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
on second thought, Bynum’s contract comes off the books after the ‘12-’13 season. Hmm…not sure about that anymore. I’d probably want something expiring.
"If Iguodala were a legitimate "true" 17 PPG scorer, we’d be a better team. When at least 8 of those points come off the fast break, his true offensive production is a reality: 8-11 PPG." - LeQuan Glover
Kyle Singler is included as well
but it’s a made up fan trade
I really don’t htink Speights has much value against the league, he’s showed no progression
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Since when was Speezy a good defender?
Also I don’t think I’d want Bynum(unless we could somehow fool the Lakers & get Andrew) we already have a better version of him in Lou
I was just thinking that
Detroit Bad Boys is making him out to be the post version of Bruce Bowen or something. That clearly isn’t what the Sixers see.
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by philiafan14364 on Dec 10, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
Do you think the Grizzlies would do something like this?
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cd9sp7z
Lionel Hollins never seemed to like OJ Mayo. Last year they almost traded him for Josh McRoberts. This trade would give them that extra big man and someone to fill the role Shane Battier had last year.
It might be a little much, but what do you guys think?
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I think if this trade was made (Rhymes), Lou would have to be traded somewhere. Whether he was part of this trade, or sent somewhere else for other pieces. I’d take Mayo over Lou any day.
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by Naismithball on Dec 10, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions
While it may not be statistically true on an individual basis, I’m of the opinion that for a winning basketball team, OJ Mayo is a far better player than Louis Williams.
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by Michael Levin on Dec 10, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Too many bosses
ruin the board room
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No
because they take on more salary then they give away and give away the ‘best’ player in the trade
(Not that it’s saying much really but still)
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Ronny Turiaf Traded
so the knicks can make cap room for Tyson Chandler
NY sends Turiaf, 2013 2nd-rd pick and cash to Wizards.
Speights isn’t as good as Turiaf in my opinion, though cheaper. The knicks had to PAY a team to take him though
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That’s such bad business. Why isn’t Gilbert screaming about this?
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That is all.
Cause
It doesn’t impact his wallet like the lakers not paying the luxury tax would?
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty much. Which is why Stern should have called him on it to begin with and never caved.
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That is all.
Except
while gilbert went public (like a moron), he wasn’t the only one against the trade, hell Marc Cuban has come out against it (for different reasons). My Conspriacy theory is that the same small market ‘cabal’ that didn’t want to sign off on the CBA but did anyway was behind the push to get this trade voided and Stern caved cause he spent all his cache getting the cba passed
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I agree completely. But he didn’t have to cave. And I really didn’t think the deal itself was anything worth getting worked up about. But it was the lack of NBA welfare money going to the small market teams that got them all so worked up. Despite them all being told that the new CBA would fix the disparity. Which it won’t. It can’t. Nothing can. Not as long as players hold the power to say where they want to go.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
And as long
as bad owners own teams, make bad decisions, and have unrealistic expectations.
Dan Gilbert got lucky (was he the owner at the time even) when Cleveland drafted Lebron (though I still wonder why no one screamed fix when the best player in a generation went to his ‘hometown’ team (akron isn’t cleveland i know) in a lottery) and made a lot of money. I guess he continued to believe he could make a lot of money and keep lebron even though he was in a crappy market, assembled mediocre talent around him, and did nothing to prove he knew how to intelligently run a franchise.
Gilbert was given a ‘gift from the gods’ similar to nuke lalouche – but he didn’t have a bull durham to explain it to him properly. And now Gilbert still seems to feel ‘slighted’ that Lebron said, thanks for nothing, but I’d rather player in miami with dwyane wade than Cleveland with JJ Hickson. I’d rather have my GM be Pat Riley than whomever you got…
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Truth.
Also, in light of Gilbert’s Washington Generals comment, they invited Gilbert to play for or coach the team when they visit his arena later this month.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Yeah saw that
If Gilbert had a sense of humor – he’d accept their offer – but I don’t think he will
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I agree.
It might actually earn him some good PR, which he seems to be violently against.
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That is all.
In my opinion
the only way to recover from things like this is to show yo uhave a sense of humor and can laugh at yourself. Only way really to get people to stop laughing at you (sometimes) is to do it yourself, then it’s less fun for them to laugh at you.
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
Again I agree...
and because he refused to do that after the Lebron mess he is still remembered as the guy who made an ass of himself when Lebron went to Miami.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
When fans of every other NBA team knows your name that’s usually a bad thing.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Nah
I’m trying to think of the team owners I know that I think are ‘generally’ known and I think it might be 50:50 – the first four names that come to mind are
Sterling – Gilbert (Bad)
Cuban – Buss (Good)
Not sure how many know dolan, arinson, krause, sarver,e tc…
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
I know all of those names…Arison and Krause are good. Dolan and Sarver aren’t. And I am not sure if Buss is a good owner. He may have a good team traditionally but I don’t think he is a good owner.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
But
we aren’t typical fans
Jerry Buss is a good owner, not necessarily a good human, but a good owner
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I’m hoping that there’s team(s) out there that see potential in Speights and think they can turn him into Zach Randolph. Maybe a team like that can overpay a little bit.
I want no part of Will Bynum. I’d rather have Lou playing the same position. If we’re going to trade him instead of letting him walk let’s at least get a decent role player and not someone who we’re all likely to hate. 22.5% usage rate + 51% TS = ew. He’s also 28 years old. Just ew all around.
by yosoysean on Dec 10, 2011 11:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Zach Randolph
passes more than speights
he also can rebound
Seriously – ti’s like people who still believe in that wright fellow
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
I was speaking more from an attitude/talent standpoint than numbers. Also his rebound percentage last season was in line with Randolph’s career numbers. But don’t let that stop you from being argumentative as always.
Interesting
I mean yo ucould have presented numbers to be persuasive, but you didn’t you just chose to be insulting
After 3 years each, the interesting thing is that while their numbers are similar one BIG number isn’t similar.
Randolph after 3 years WS/48 – +.173
Speights after 3 years WS/48 – -.072
Why is that?
Cause Speights actual shooting numbers are pathetic compared to Randolphs
You’re correct that his rebounding numbers ‘are close’ to Randolphs (Randolph of course being much older and playing next to marc gasol)
So the thing speights loves to do the most he’s obnoxiously terrible at
A career TS% is 31.3%
But you’re right, call me names instead
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
CRAP
There i go getting emotional again and reading the wrong column
I don’t suppose someone could just delete this whole thing – i was looking at the wrong entry
They are pretty similar after 3 years – i was looking at the wrong thing – trying to do too many things at once- my bad…though you still could have tried facts instead of insults is a valid point
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
1.) Randolph’s career rebounding numbers have extremely little to do with Marc Gasol.
2.) Win shares and shooting have little to do with career rebounding numbers.
Once again, I never said Speights is as good as Randolph. But keep trying to argue against points that I am not making.
I am not calling you names. I’m saying you’re being argumentative. To me it seems like you come here more to argue with other people rather than to discuss with other people. This may not be true but it is my perception of you.
Well if you read
2 more minutes you’d see that I made a mistake and admitted it.
But hey – don’t let that get in your way
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
Guess it was a matter of time. No more shooting every time he touches the ball. No more airball dunks (how!?).
But seriously, if it really is the end, it’s a real shame that it went down like this. You see it all the time; players who show a lot of potential to be a good players but are too lazy to bring it out. I thought maybe coach could bring something out of him but no. Even to this day I still have hope for the guy. Too bad.
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One thing
thought maybe coach could bring something out of him but no
I don’t ever buy into this. Guys like Speights (or Thaddeus Young) they have flaws in their fundamentals. It’s not an NBA coach’s job to teach them these things (be it boxing out, dribbling with the off hand, or proper shooting technique). That’s on the player. Once you have your NBA salary, you have the money, and the time in the off season to work on this.
A la Evan Turner working with Herb Magee – that was Turner showing the dedication and motivation.
Where are the reports of Speights or Young working with folk in the off season to try and improve their glaring weaknesses, both who have them.
It was my primary issue with Samuel Dalembert too- he never showed any interest in improving any of his flaws in his basic basketball skill set – which is on him in the off season – regardless of who the coach is. It blinded me to what he actually did well though
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by JohnHasADHD on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Well I was aiming more of a “motivation” or “encouragement” type of thing. Not that Collins didn’t try to motivate Speights, and I’m sure he did try. I was hoping that the motivation speeches from Collins were getting through. But no, I guess not.
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I guess
But in my experience you can’t motivate the unwilling, you can motivate those willing to try harder, or give more effort, but those who haven’t given the effort won’t suddenly give effort
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John Hollinger - being funny
Again, it’s the Knicks, so they’re taking every shortcut, overpaying every free agent and ultimately aren’t going to win a ring this way. For goodness sakes, they set $10 million on fire by guaranteeing Billups’ final year and then using the amnesty on him months later. (Again, with feeling: TEN MILLION DOLLARS. Burnt to a crisp. The New York Knicks, everyone!)
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And now
they are desperate to get Jamal Crawford
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Knick's team building approach...
Well, signing Chandler immediately fixes our defense, so now we can get back to answering the question that really matters – How many ball-stopping scorers does it take to win a championship?
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Restricted free agent center Spencer Hawes will sign 1-year qualifying offer with Philadelphia, Hawes tells Y! Sports.
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Speights has been a disappointment, and with his relationship with Collins as it appeared to be, it’s no surprise they want to move him. It’s a shame that since he has been here he’s been through four coaches. Maybe if Collins had him from the beginning, he might have been able to mold him.
The Sixers are still a doughnut team and such teams don’t win or contend for titles. I don’t think Speights is the answer at Center, but I’d like to see the Sixers get something in return for him. He’ll end up on some crappy team without any other big men and start to put up decent numbers scoring and continue to be a black hole on defense.
David Aldridge
Sources: Nuggets, 76ers discuss potental Marreesse Speights trade if Denver can’t keep Nene..
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A tuna sandwich
is a win in my opinon
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I think Nene is going back to Denver, who else needs him and or can afford him?
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That is all.
Um
who CANT afford him?
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He’s going to get at least 10 mil a year, and there are only 11 teams that are currently that far under the cap, one of which is Denver. I doubt the Clippers, Hornets or Nets are going to go after him, so now you are talking about 8 or so teams.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Oh sorry
I thought you meant Denver would no longer be interested in speights when they re-sign Nene :)
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lou
Lou is an integral part of this team. why you folks insist on acting like is so easily replaced is beyond me.
Yes
every team needs an undersized barely passing gunner as their back up point guard.
He’s easily replaced because he’s fungible, there are a lot of player sin the league who do what lou does, on year to year contracts no less…he’s also not useful to this franchise because they aren’t going to win a title any time soon but he does get in the way of the development of players who might be hella more useful than his egotistical ass
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BTW
Denver might have used up their ‘useless player’ trade assets to get rudy fernandez
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