Sixers Predictably Not Involved in Nene Hustle
by Michael Levin on Nov 29, 2011 10:28 AM PST
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PrintFor those of you hoping the Sixers would get all up in Nene's business in the abbreviated free agency period, you'll be disappointed. According to Ken Berger via Tom Ziller, there are six teams batting the yarn on The Artist Formerly Known As Hilario and none of which are the Sixers (or the Nuggets).
Those six teams -- the Golden State Warriors, New Jersey Nets, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers, Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat -- are at varying levels of ability to actually sign him outright, however, which may require the Nuggets to be involved.
It never seemed likely that the Sixers would get involved with him as he's a bit too high profile and expensive for their tastes and wallets, though there was the off chance that the new ownership would want to make a juicy splash in the big kid pool. Of those six teams, I'd guess the Nets get him. Seems like a Prokhorov move to me.
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The only thing that was on my Christmas list was to have a season. I am satisfied.
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"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight
by James_C on Nov 29, 2011 11:07 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Because health issues aside, which is a bit of a problem, Roy is still better than Lou.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Um, sure
Except that Roy’s health issue is chronic, degenerative and not going to get better. More faith in Caron Butler as a sixth man coming off his injury than Brandon Roy
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Except that Roy’s health issue is chronic, degenerative and not going to get better.
+1
Roy will never be the same as he was in 08.
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by philiafan14364 on Nov 29, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
No one is saying he will. But Roy now is still better than Lou ever was or will be.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
No he’s not, because he can’t play every game or play 30 minutes per game.
On pure talent – sure he’s better than lou – but you can’t ignore the knees and say ’he’s better than lou’ because – well – he can’t play.
Greg Oden in theory is better than Spencer Hawes, but his career hasn’t been – due to his injuries
If he is playing as the 6th man which is what was suggested from the beginning then he won’t be asked to play 30 minutes a game, which means, he may be able to play every game.
I agree, you have to factor in the injury but depending on the price and reduced role, it might be worth a gamble.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
No he won’t be able to play every game, wit his knees back to backs are incredibly unlikely, let alone back to back to backs
and sometimes your sixth man needs to go more than 20 mpg
Brandon Roys knees aren’t done getting worse, he’s not a sixth man even with those knees, he’s a rotation guy, it’s not like Grant Hill, he ain’t ever getting better
One injury-ravaged minute of Brandon Roy is better than 82 games of Louis Williams.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 30, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
I am not a huge Louis Williams fan, but this statement is ridiculous and flat out wrong.
He’s not a starter, he’s not a point guard, but Louis Williams is a very good, affordable, player for what he does do well.
It was intended as hyperbole. Also, I don’t agree with your second statement.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 30, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
You don’t agree that lou williams is good at getting to the basket and drawing fouls?
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 30, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t agree that, on this team, he is worth any of the money we’re paying him. He is an obstacle to success. While he is good at getting to the basket and drawing fouls, on this team he only gets in the way.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 30, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
Who else on the sixers can enter the game and score points nad draw fouls with consistency?
Teams that want to win – sometimes they need that – do the sixers play him too much – sure they do – but they play hawes too much, they play jodie meeks too much
The sixers are missing tons of pieces, that’s not lou williams fault – and he’s paid basically the MLE – thaddeus Young is going to make more than Lou – and I don’t believe he should – he brings less over all basketball game to the court than Lou does
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
If they’re paying Thad, they’re paying him for his upside.
But that’s not what this is about. I’ve always said that Louis Williams is a luxury on a championship contending team. I would rather an injured Brandon Roy be here, simply because, being injured, he wouldn’t steal minutes from people who matter.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 30, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
upside
what upside does thaddeus young have left? After this many years in the league he’s more likely what he is and the upside is gone.
This is the andre iguodala mistake, he got the bigger contract and people expected his game to change, he was what he was and stayed the same – if you expect more from young because he has more money – that’s where the hate comes in :)
If Louis williams is ‘stealing minutes from people who matter’ (I’m assuming you mean Evan Turner) then the people who matter need to play better
what upside does thaddeus young have left? After this many years in the league he’s more likely what he is and the upside is gone.
That ignores the growth he showed last year as a player.
This is the andre iguodala mistake, he got the bigger contract and people expected his game to change, he was what he was and stayed the same – if you expect more from young because he has more money – that’s where the hate comes in :)
I agree with you completely here but I think it’s being applied the wrong way. Yes, people thought Iguodala’s game would continue to mature, and to an extent it did but it didn’t expand as much as people would have liked because of his huge contract. However, he should have never, ever been given a contract that big. People hate him because he gets paid more than he should and that’s ridiculous. Hate the idiot who gave him the contract not the player that signed it. If Young can increase his play by an amount equal to, or close to what he is paid then things will be fine.
If Louis williams is ‘stealing minutes from people who matter’ (I’m assuming you mean Evan Turner) then the people who matter need to play better
True, but then guys like Evan Turner need to be given that chance, and until the playoffs last year he really wasn’t. And in the playoffs Turner played well.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
But
That ignores the growth he showed last year as a player.
You mean his return to his rookie year productiion after two not so good years?
I don’t see that as growth, I see that as eddie jordan (at least for one season) totally screwing players up :)
It doesn’t bother me, what bothers me is that he’s used as something he isn’t – that’s on the team – he’s not a point guard – he shouldn’t be initiating an offense ever unless the goal is for him to shoot ever darn time
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 30, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Doug Collins is the wrong coach for this team
Doug Collins doesn’t care about building long term, he cares more about winning right away, which isn’t what this team needs (plus if history is any guide he’ll be fired/gone by the middle of the 2012/13 season)
I don’t think Doug is the wrong coach for this team, in fact I think he is the perfect coach for this team. It’s a team that is slightly better than .500 and as a coach that is what Collins is.
As for Collins not caring about building long term you are exactly right. He doesn’t. 99% of Pro Coaches don’t care about building long term because building long term doesn’t offer job security. Pro sports is all about the moment.
Building for the future is something that an organization, a front office decides and something they work towards. As far as I know, which albeit, is strictly based on what I see on the court and the moves that are made, or not made by the F.O, they haven’t made a decision to do anything, except continue being a bottom of the barrel playoff team that get’s smacked in the first round, and if that’s the case then Doug is the coach for this team.
Honestly, if the F.O decided to scrap this team and start building for the future then I think Doug would do the best he can with what he has. And maybe he is still around for when the team finally get’s good, or maybe the team replaces him with someone better once they finally get good like the Bulls did. (I’m not saying the Sixers are or will be the Bulls, just using that as an example).
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
He shouldn’t be on this team, period. And I’m convinced you don’t watch basketball games. Because Thaddeus Young actually did have a good sophomore season, hitting the corner three, the mid-range jumper and generally attacking the basket.
In the EJ year, his percentages dropped considerably and like everyone else simply didn’t want to play for what amounted to an A-Hole.
Last year, Thad actually significantly improved. Thad was no where NEAR the rebounder he was last year in his rookie year, nor was he anywhere as close to an inside presence as he was last year(and he was a pretty good inside presence so that should indicate to even YOU how much he’s improved)
Thaddeus Young is our PF of the future, he’s the ONLY one on this roster, lest you wanna give hope to Craig Brackins and Marresse Speights. Thad has shown he can be a high level hybrid forward in this league and whilst that isn’t a prototypical big man, you can absolutely win with one. Provided you have a shotblocking center, but we all wanted that anyway.
Lou isn’t being used as something he isn’t, he is NOT a shooting guard. All 6’0 of him would be covered 1 on 1 any single night, he doesn’t have Iverson’s foot speed or even his mid-range jumper. Lou is a NBDL player on an NBA roster. He’ll chuck shots(he does NOT, or did not last year attack the rim) He can’t defend, nor can he pass. The rebounding play he showed the year before, completely disappeared once he became a bench player.
Being honest with you, I had my hopes for Lou after the EJ season but he regressed to the norm and in fact got worst. Comparing Lou and Thad is insane, one guy’s good, the other guy isn’t.
One guy recognizes his strength(Thad), the other shoots 30 FT 3 pointers at the buzzer and airballs them(Lou).
If you really do have ADHD, I apologize for seeming too harsh. But try, just a little to watch the games.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 2, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
On a per game basis, I would agree with you, but if you factor in all the games that Roy is likely to miss this season, I’m not so sure.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Nov 30, 2011 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Here's a list
from Yahoo.com of free agents the sixers most likely probably won’t be involved in signing (except for one obvious exception) here
I didn’t really want him. I’m not sure how much of an improvement he is over Brand. Plus I just want Brand’s contract to be done with.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions
Well
Brands a power forward and Nene is a center
So – really it’s a question of how much of an improvement he is over Hawes and the draft pick kid.
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
true, but in order to get the cap space to sign him we would have to use the amnesty clause on Brand.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions
or not re-sign Hawes and amnesty Noce one.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
That would only give us 11 mill in cap space
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
And
You think Nene is worth more than 11 mil in his first year?
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think he worth around 11 million, but he’ll get much more
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Really? Nene is the biggest free agent this year. I would put $100 on Nene getting paid more than 11 million this year
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
He’s the biggest free agent in a weak free agent class and a restricted free agent, and people salivating over
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Deron Williams
And only 2 weeks to get it done.
I’m glad you’ll bet $100, I’m glad you have a spare $100, I don’t, but I still don’t believe he’s going to get a contract as big as you think.
Collins uses Brand at center when Hawes is inept. I’m not sure if Nene would be able to play at a quick level that you would get with havin Brand at center, though.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
DeAndre Jordan
But I’m not sure if I want to waste the amnesty on Nocioni for him.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 11:23 AM PST reply actions
You think signing a young center like Jordan (if he agreed and the clips didn’t match) would mean that the amnesty was ‘wasted’ on Nocioni? It’s a better fit for the roster than Nene
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt the Sixers will do something.
#SWAGGG
by secondroundpick on Nov 29, 2011 11:59 AM PST reply actions
sometimes doing nothing is better than doing something. Ask the pistons if you don’t bleieve me.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
The Pistons acquired Rasheed Wallace at the deadline and years before that Joe Dumars would bring in a Billups, a Hamilton, an undrafted FA in Ben, etc.
If you want to “do nothing”, you better have a roster concept. And I think even you agree we don’t have a roster concept right now. This isn’t the 1999 Sixers or the 2001 Sixers.
This is the 2011 Sixers, no better and no different than last year’s version.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 2, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t Soman create it last year? Or was it Tanner? I always get those two guys mixed up!
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by Michael Levin on Nov 29, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Twas I. I’ll look into it when I get some time. Probably won’t happen until free agency is complete….naturally
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
NBA teams will indeed play two preseason games. Same opponent both games, one in each arena. Pairings TBD, but likely geography-based.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Knicks or Nets – make your bets.
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by Michael Levin on Nov 29, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
I believe it’s the Wiz. I read it on the Twitters a couple days ago
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on Nov 30, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yikes
Nightmares of 4 point plays still haunt me.
formerly jdcvr6
"When I'm dead and buried, and my time here has passed. I want them to bury me upside down, so my critics can kiss my ass." - Bob Knight
I bet you would like them to trade Iguodala for some delicious apple cider. Yes? No?
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
And hard.
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#FirePaulHolmgren
by philiafan14364 on Nov 29, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I'm really happy about not going after Nene.
I think for one, he’s a bit overrated and also….more time for Speezy haha
by DeuceisLoose926 on Nov 29, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions
Poor kid
couldn’t get minutes last year, how’s he going to get them this year ahead of hawes and that sasha kid?
I would be
to get traded a team has to want him
Why would any team trade for him?
You could argue that he doesn’t fit into Collin’s system, but another team ‘might believe he has potential as a decent rotational guy. I’m not sure what they would offer for him, though.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
I’m not sure any team would give much up to a guy near the end of his rookie deal that the coach has in his dog house. He doesn’t fit into most systems, he doesn’t defend, he doesn’t pass, he doesn’t rebound,
It depends on when the made the offer. 2 years ago prior to his injury he looked like a promising player
by The Pied Piper on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
He had a stretch of games 2 seasons ago when was scoring 15-20 points.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 30, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Speights
is very good at one thing – and terrible at almost everything else
Ok – he can take a charge too
He’s the guy from eddie “Ee-Vahn make basket” – he gets the ball he shoots – that’s it…that’s not a guy that has much trade value, if portland EVER offered a first round pick the sixers should have jumped at it in my opinion
If he could play defense and hit the boards consistently
the minutes would come, I think.
by DeuceisLoose926 on Nov 29, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions
Remember that game against the Thunder last year late in the fourth quarter when Collins wanted to “be sure to get the rebound” off of the free throw so he subbed in Speezy for Thad? Then Speezy missed the rebound and the Thunder got the ball back? Good times…
Love the Sixers, love the Cavs. Don't sympathize, we'll win a championship someday. Someday...
lol
I missed that game. Where was Battie?
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
It's unlikely
that Thaddeus young would have gotten the rebound either.
Maybe craig brackins can rebound
Do you think they’d pursue DeAndre Jordan? He’s a restricted free agent, but I guess it’s a possibility.
I think the clips would match most offers despite their owner being cheap.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Sterling is cheap
but there is a floor in the NBA (which honestly I didn’t know until this year) in regards to how much salary you have, and if the clippers use the waiver (mo williams) they’ll probably need to do quite a bit to get up to that floor, letting jordan find an offer and then matching it makes sense to the clippers, which usually means jordan won’t get market value.
I’d love to see someone use the new cba to do a poison pill contract that makes sterling vomit
I wonder what Jordan would go for on the open market and if the price is reasonable enough if the sixers should take a shot at him (perhaps rescinding Hawes’ qualifying offer in the process).
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Almost every team in the NBA would give him the MLE. I think he’ll get a deal somewhere around 8-10 million a year.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else think the lockout helped Dre more than anyone? He had the same knee issue as Utley and the time off had to do him well.
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I seriously doubted the Sixers were going to sign a center right after drafting one with their first round pick.
In fact I can’t see them signing anybody to be a starter. Their two biggest short term problems (C and SG) have potential long term answers (Vucevic and Turner) whether or not us fans think either will be an answer.
Any plan that I would have made for free agency was messed up by the Vucevic pick. If they had picked, say, Singleton instead I would have loved the idea of amnesty-ing Brand and picking up one of the centers in free agency or making a play for Howard next season. They’d be a bit undersized at PF with Thad/Speights/Brackins/Singleton as the only options but I’d rather have the piece of mind at center and worry about PF at a different time.
It bothers me that Brand’s contract is up in two years and we really don’t have a replacement for him, but I agree that center is more of an important need at the moment. I’m interested to see how Voose will perform in the NBA, although it bothers me that I can probably jump higher than him.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
I just realized I used, “bothers me” twice in that response…time to go clear my mind.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
The sixers don’t have a replacement for Iguodala on the roster yet, and they don’t have a starting two guard or a starting center (I know they have two guards and centers, but they’re bench players)
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 30, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Kate Fagan thinks Evan Turner should replace Iguodala at SF :)
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Kate Fagan thinks Monta Ellis is an upgrade to Andre Iguodala
Anyone who thinks that is immediately dismissed in my mind as an intelligent basketball person.
I still think she’s just saying this stuff because she needs something to write and has to pander to the majority dumb fans.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
If that's true
she should be fired because she’s not a journalist
And I think Kate Fagan should replace Gonzo as Philly’s biggest sports media troll.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Fagan at least watches sixers games before claiming to know what she’s talking about…can’t say the same for Gonzo or the others. That’s perhaps the only positive, though.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Actually
wouldn’t that make it worse, she watches the games and still knows as little as the ignoramuses who don’t watch the games and only looks at box scores?
as much as I disagree with her monta ellis dumb fan pandering, you can tell the difference between her game observations and gonzo’s.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Plus you know she was until recently, the all-time leading three-pointer shooter in the University of Colorado women’s basketball program and Gonzo has never done anything athletically besides almost kick David Murphy’s ass.
xEgan on Twitter
So what you’re saying is that only people who played at a high level can understand a game?
I disagree if that’s the premise. Its’ one of those old school nonsensicals.
Kate Fagan was a good unbiased non pandering writer her first year, when she was doing her blog, but since then she’s become a panderer just appealing to the morons, even going against her original opinions.
Her Iguodala idiocy is just a symptom of her work ethic which has gone from what it was (it seems) to ‘pandering to the LCD’
It’s a quality word that describes what many so called ‘journalists’ do but it’s not used enough. I also love the words shiny, facetious (instead of sarcastic) and bollox
Yes, because Iguodala’s inability to hit the 15-17 footer with consistency, slash or post-up or anything resembling a half court game should get him into Cooperstown.
Iguodala is Trevor Ariza, at 13.5 million dollars this season. I wish the new CBA came into effect three years ago.
by LeQuan Glover on Dec 2, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Why can’t we resurrect Wilt Chamberlain while we’re at it?
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by Michael Levin on Nov 30, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Cause
it takes a long time
plus there’s the whole hitler in brazil problem
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