What the 76ers should do -- and what they will
As we begin to get a better idea of the details of what the next CBA agreement will look like, speculation is running rampant about the direction the Philadelphia 76ers will take. The combination of a change in ownership, change in rules, 5 months of lawyer speak and an abbreviated free agency period combines to create a perfect storm of roster speculation, and also of fantasy GM playing.
Take a look after the jump to see how I would go about building a champion, and I'll also contrast that with an educated guess on how I think the 76ers will go about it. In the end, this post isn't about the perfect plan I've concocted that will propel the 76ers to champions, but that WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BASKETBALL AGAIN, BABY.
As a disclaimer, this could all change if the exact details of the CBA, and specifically the amnesty clause change. For example, I'm running under the current assumption that the amnesty clause can't be used in a player acquired in a trade. If it can, that changes things substantially, and has a rolling effect on all the decisions made here.
Amnesty Clause
What I would do
As most LB'ers know, I'm a staunch proponent of building champions through the draft, so it's probably not a great surprise what direction I'm going to go with this post. However, in the past I've held back from doing straight salary dumps because Elton Brand's contract has always been looming over the Sixers plans. Getting under the salary cap in a meaningful way was always going to be difficult when the Sixers were paying Elton $17 and $18 million the next two years.
The amnesty clause changes that. This get-out-of-jail-free card presents teams like the Sixers with an opportunity to change their franchise. Without Brand's contract, the Sixers could get under the cap even with keeping Andre Iguodala and re-signing Thaddeus Young.
As a silver lining for the new owners, Brand will garner some attention in a silent auction, so they won't be stuck paying his entire salary for the next 2 years.
Now, should we find out that teams can use the amnesty clause on players received in a trade, then I do not use the amnesty clause on Brand. If that happens, I save the amnesty for an Iguodala trade, which then increases my willingness to take a bad contract off the receiving teams hands, allowing me to get a better asset (draft pick or young player) in return for Iguodala, and then use the amnesty clause on the bad contract I just received in the trade.
What the Sixers will do
They'll use the amnesty clause to erase the final year of the disgruntled Andres Nocioni's contract, thereby giving them enough room under the luxury tax to use their mid-level exception on a middling center like Kwame Brown.
If the Sixers re-sign Thaddeus Young to a contract starting at $7 million/year and Hawes to one starting at $4 million/year, they wouldn't be able to use the full mid-level exception on somebody who will probably be overpaid.
My general philosophy is that the mid-level exception should be used if you're a championship contender looking to add the final piece, but otherwise using it is a mistake, and often times used to overpay average talent on long term deals. This has improved somewhat with the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, as the max value of the mid-level has dropped to $5 million per year and the max years lowered to 4 years for non-tax paying teams. Still, non-contending teams should tread carefully when using it.
The Sixers owners won't want to pay Brand upwards of $35 million (although not necessarily that much) while getting no production from him, and neither Rod Thorn or Doug Collins appear interested in taking one step backwards to take two steps forwards and Brand still provides value on the basketball court, so Elton will stay.
Trade Andre Iguodala
What I would do
The amnesty exception has made me more inclined to trade Andre Iguodala. In the past, I was only open to trading Andre Iguodala if you got a similar level star, a top draft pick, or were able to get rid of Elton Brand's contract as well. Now that Elton Brand's contract can easily be removed from the equation, the Sixers have the opportunity to get significantly under the salary cap, gaining flexibility for future signings and opening doors in trades that don't exist to capped out teams (think Kyrie Irving).
There's a market for Andre Iguodala, and getting an expiring contract and a later-than-previously-required first round pick shouldn't be all that difficult of a seal to a legitimate contending team. His talents are wasted away on the Sixers, out of place, under-appreciated and running out of time. About to turn 28 years old and having logged 21,000 NBA minutes Iguodala isn't yet in decline, but whether he'll still be in his prime once Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner are off their rookie contracts is up for debate. On a team that's unlikely to contend for a championship while he's still in his prime, it doesn't make sense to keep Iguodala around if 1) You can still get value for him, and 2) He has the chance of limiting your chances of bringing in a legitimate superstar, especially now with the amnesty clause and the increased flexibility that allows.
With Iguodala gone, it allows a better chance to evaluate the young guards still under their rookie contracts, and allows you to better assess what you have in them going forward, and what you still need to acquire going forward. That's not to say Iguodala is a selfish player or that he's preventing Jrue Holiday from shining, or the reason for Evan Turner's struggles. But Iguodala will always get some of the end of game situations and he'll always be utilized as a half-court initiator, and if he's not around we can get a better idea of how capable Jrue Holiday is in these situations, and force him into assuming more of a role than he may naturally take as he defers, to some level, the veteran team leader.
Similarly, with Iguodala around Evan Turner's role will always be diminished, perhaps more profoundly than Holiday's. Evan more-so than the problems of having three ball handlers on the perimeter and the logjam that creates, not having a great catch and shoot threat on the perimeter presents problems in having Iguodala and Turner play major minutes together. Having a wing that opens things up for Turner would give him an environment to better maximize his potential. That's not to say Turner is going to replace Iguodala, but you once again get a better chance to see exactly what Turner can bring before his rookie contract runs out and you have to make a long term, big money commitment to him. And you then have the ability to assess what you have, and what still have left to acquire.
None of this is to say Iguodala's overpaid, overrated, the reason the Sixers are mediocre or that he eats baby kittens, something that must be true with some of the venom he receives from the Philadelphia fan base. But unless you think the Sixers can realistically contend for a title in the next 3 years, it's time -- both from Iguodala's perspective so he can contribute on a contender and from the Sixers perspective -- to move on.
What the Sixers will do
Paralyzed by a fear of losing and with Doug Collins backing, the Sixers will keep Andre Iguodala, despite flirting with trading him at the trade deadline once again. Floor spacing will continue to be an issue, Evan Turner will continue to be an occasional starter because he's the second most talented wing, but never grabbing the position by the horns because there are skill-sets that fit with Iguodala better. Some Sixers fans will continue to boo Iguodala and say he thinks he's kobe Bryant, despite a usage rating south of 20%. Jrue Holiday will continue to improve, but still leave us wondering whether we have a legitimate all-star or simply an above average point guard.
Re-signing Thaddeus Young
What I would do
Let the market dictate Young's price, don't set it yourself. If the teams with cap space go after bigger fish, the lowered mid-level exception (around 4 years, $21 million) will help the Sixers. If the deal is for around the mid-level, re-sign him. Otherwise, if the deal approaches or exceeds $7 million annually, let him walk, and don't lose any sleep over it.
Young falls into the category of great to have either if you're a contender or if you get him at a below market deal. He's the type of player you add once you have your superstar in place and you're looking for long term role players to augment that. However, if you're still trying to acquire said superstar, overpaying for role players with the hope of them drastically changing who they are is a gamble that often times fails, and hinders you down the line.
Young's youth makes me a little more willing to give him a long term, fair market deal. If he were 29, there'd be virtually no reason to bring him back. At 23, I have no problem locking him up long term if you're able to pay him mid-level money. But at his previous contract demands, or anything even remotely approaching that, I don't want to make a mistake.
What the Sixers willdo
With this one I'm reasonably hopeful they'll do this right. With Ed Stefanski, I would have had little doubt they would have set the market price, offered him $8 million/year with max length and raises, and have been happy to keep a core contributor. With Rod Thorn, I think he has a general idea not to tie too many assets to role players, which despite Young's talents and youth he still is. I feel better about this being resolved in a manner that benefits the Sixers with the new CBA in play and Rod Thorn at the helm.
Lose
What I would do
The elephant in the room, the unspoken underlying plan in all of this, is to lose. I'm a firm believe that NBA champions are built through the draft, and an equally firm believe that .500 basketball with a plateaued is the worst place to be. If the Sixers go the route I think they'll go -- retain Elton Brand, keep Andre Iguodala, amnesty Andres Nocioni, re-sign Thaddeus Young -- they'll be a 45 win team that loses in the first round, is right up against the luxury tax, and drafts 18th, and with no real cap space until Jrue Holiday and Evan Turner are off their rookie contracts and ready to consume that cap space. It'll keep Doug Collins happy because he'll see incremental improvement. It'll keep the new owners happy because they'll have an exciting team with increasing attendance. But Sixers fans looking for a championship will be in a precarious position with little hope.
I know, I know. I can already hear the responses. "The Clippers always lose and it never worked for them." There's no strategy in building a champion that doesn't require the right decisions to be made, no strategy that provides a guarantee, and building through the draft is no exception. I could find many failed examples of building through trades or free agency, or trying to emulate the Pistons, that have failed to produce a championship contender as well. Without the right people making the right decisions, any plan is failed from the beginning.
The NBA is a superstar driven league, and the new Collective Bargaining Agreement has done nothing to change that. The NBA will be a superstar driven league so long as only 5 men are allowed on the court at one time. The focus of the Sixers has to be to maximize their ability to acquire a superstar, and doing so through the draft presents the best opportunity. Drafting near the top of the draft doesn't guarantee a superstar, as the Sixers found out in 2010, but it does increase the chances. Certainly more chances than a 45 win team drafting 18th up against the luxury tax provides.
What the Sixers will do
Win 45 games, be up against the luxury tax, get bounced in the first round, draft 18th.
If the Sixers go into the 2012 offseason with a top pick, potential superstar, complemented by a potential #2 option (Jrue Holiday) and potential #3 option (Evan Turner) with $20 million in cap space to acquire complementary pieces, they have a chance to be relevant in future June's. It takes a little bit of luck, a lot of hard work, correct decisions, and a willingness to take a step backwards, but there's the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm not sure I see that on the current path the Sixers are on. I see fun basketball, but little chance of a championship, which is what I crave.
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Amnesty
Correct me if I’m wrong b/c I haven’t looked at it in some time but even by using the amnesty on Brand, I don’t think the Sixers would have much if any cap room this year. Even if they did, no reputable FA wants to come here right now. Therefore, I think the move is to keep Brand because you don’t gain anything from the amnesty. We’ve been paying him this whole time and he comes off the books next year so why not use him as trade bait (i.e. a $17/$18M expiring). We aren’t going anywhere this year or next year either for that matter. Trading Brand as an expiring for something/anything is better than letting him go for nothing. He’s a sunk cost at this point. I agree moving Iggy is the play as well but again, why dump him for pennies on the dollar when you can still make the move next year or the year after when he is a $15M expiring. I’m not as worried about moving Iggy ASAP b/c I don’t have as much faith in ET as others. My whole point is, we need to maximize Brand and Iggy as assets as much as possible to get a return b/c other than Holiday, we don’t have any other real assets to build on. We won’t be so bad to get a top 3 pick either and as the Turner draft proved, even having the #2 pick isn’t a guarantee anymore. Trading either for a short term solution isn’t the answer anyway b/c the arc of this team is 2-3 years out (assuming Holiday, ET, Young etc. are the basic core).
Correct me if I’m wrong b/c I haven’t looked at it in some time but even by using the amnesty on Brand, I don’t think the Sixers would have much if any cap room this year. Even if they did, no reputable FA wants to come here right now. Therefore, I think the move is to keep Brand because you don’t gain anything from the amnesty.
The team salary without Brand, Thad, and Hawes would be $31.8+ million. Depending on whether the cap holds from the last CBA or the current CBA are in effect, the Sixers’ cap number is either $46.5ish million or $49.5ish million. That would put them about $8.5-11.5 million under the cap. Definitely a significant number. It’s also a number that could potentially go up when Thad and/or Hawes sign a deal.
Even if a free agent doesn’t want to come to Philly, things can be done with cap room. Trades can be made without having to match salaries. The Sixers could also take a bad salary along with an asset like the Cavs did with Baron Davis and the Clippers’ first rounder.
Trading Brand as an expiring for something/anything is better than letting him go for nothing.
What do you think could be had for a $17 million expiring contract? It’d be extremely difficult to match salaries without taking a bad contract in return.
We won’t be so bad to get a top 3 pick either
Without Iguodala or Brand? The Sixers would absolutely be in the running for a top 3 pick.
and as the Turner draft proved, even having the #2 pick isn’t a guarantee anymore.
It never was a guarantee. You’ll likely find more quality players who were a #2 pick than ones that were picked in the mid-to-late teens though. And that is the whole point behind the “tank” route. You’re extremely unlikely to find the superstar that most believe is required to contend when you’re constantly picking in the teens.
I would also add that I don’t think Turner has really proven anything one way or the other.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
I’m not sure where anything was required to be a guarantee, nor how anything ever could be a guarantee. I’m also not sure how continued mediocrity is a guarantee to build a champion.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
My whole point is, we need to maximize Brand and Iggy as assets as much as possible to get a return b/c other than Holiday, we don’t have any other real assets to build on
The only way to get assets for Iguodala is trading Iguodala, so I’m not sure where we disagree.
You’re not getting assets for Brand.
You’re over-stating the value of expiring contracts.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions
Also, I am maximizing my assets. By getting a top 5 pick rather than picking 18th for the next 3 years while we wait for Iguodala’s contract to expire.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Also, if you read the article, my purpose wasn’t to clear cap space to use this year, or to acquire a star through free agency, which I believe generally doesn’t work. My purpose in clearing cap space is to be in the position to use the cap space to obtain complementary pieces when the time is right, or to use it in trades to gain assets, similar to what Cleveland did.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions
Looks like Nocioni won't get amnesty'd
Let me join in amnesty discussion: 76ers will not amnesty Brand. Only possible is Nocioni, but they likely won’t waste amnesty on him.
Makes more sense for #Sixers to keep amnesty in back pocket. Only way they pull amnesty this year on Noc is if @yungsmoove21 breaks bank.
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I don’t expect to see Nocioni in a #Sixers uniform this season, either way. But a buyout makes more sense for Sixers than using amnesty.
I’m good with a buyout. Unless they move Brand/Iguodala then the Amnesty really is of little benefit to them this year.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Oh I agree.
I am not advocating for using it on him. They can get something for him. I am for using it on Brand but only if they move Iguodala as well. If they aren’t going to move either then they might as well use it now on Noce.
But I think it was Derek who said it yesterday, let this year play out and if they suck, trade Iguodala and use it on Brand next year. And then you have Noce already off the books. But I think they would have to be pretty terrible to be out of the playoff picture. Unless, the ownership feels that just making the playoffs isn’t good enough.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
what I’m hearing is that it depends what happens with Thad and Hawes, and how much of the MLE they’ll have before approaching the tax. So, essentially, in their back pocket, but an option.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 8:12 AM PST up reply actions
Not much more to say
Except that this is one of the most rational well thought out complete plans I’ve seen for the sixers in a long time, including from anyone who actually worked for the sixers.
It’s a shame that common sense probably won’t win out.
I agree with Derek completely. I also think this is probably going to be a better time then there has been in a long while to go the tank route. Depending on whether the age limit has changed in the new cba, this draft could be full of potential stars. So why not roll the dice now and trade iggy (hopefully for another lottery pick), amnesty brand and see what we have with jrue and evan when their the top players on the team.
Derek, I know its early but if you had the top pick in the upcoming draft who would you select to be the potential face of this franchise?
I would probably have to go with anthony davis but andre drummond is very tempting and I also believe quincy miller is has a lot of potential to be a super star.
My hope
is that the age limit is raised to sophmores / 2 years out of high school. I think that extra year of school would tell you a lot about the ‘future stars’, they’d have to put more effort into the academic/focus side (ostensibly) and giving a guy two seasons in college teams get more film on him and can prepare for him so you can get an idea how a guy faces teams who are more ready for him.
That’s a good point but if the sixers do get a top 3 pick this year I hope they keep it at 1 and done. I like the 3 players I mentioned above more then harrison barnes, jared sullinger and perry jones but would be happy with getting any of those 3.
I think
Jones would be my #3 option due to his rawness/under developed game.
If they make a change I doubt it happens with the current group of freshmen. I don’t think you can really tell anyone who started this year as a freshmen that their plan of being a one and done just changed to two years. I guess they could, but I doubt it.
Ed Snider is a crotchety old fuck.
That is all.
Why?
Why do you think you couldn’t. It’s a negotiated term between a ‘union’ and ‘labor’ organization. The college students actually have no rights in this situation, or say. They could try and sue, but the precedent is against them (I believe Mike Williams from USC sued the NFL and the supreme court ruled that age limits as part of a CBA are not discriminatory or whatever, I’m not a lawyer myself)
BTW, this is all running under the assumption that the amnesty clause can’t be used on guys you receive in a trade, only on guys currently on your roster. If you can use it on guys you receive in a trade (that signed contracts before July 1st 2011), then that completely changes the plans. Then I’d probably take back a terrible contract in a trade for Iguodala to get a top pick or good young player, then use amnesty on the acquired player.
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I asked brian this question on depressedfan and he seemed to be under the impression that you could amnesty an incoming player from a trade who was signed before july 1st 2011. If true this could allow for a lot more potential trades that may not have been possible before. As long as teams are willing to spend in order to create cap space (which is a bizarre thing to say).
Until the CBA is written
What is and isn’t possible is a lot of speculation based on what’s been said publicly. The official terms of the agreement have yet to be written and presented to the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, until then, specifics like this are still kind of up in the air I would think. It makes sense that you can amnesty anyone but maybe they would want to avoid the ‘trade and amnesty’ thing for their own reasons.
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
They may choose to avoid it but if it is allowed it may not be all that common because in more cases than not the team would be losing a lot of money
I agree
I don’t think it would be that common, but they may seek to avoid it anyway, but the point is there’s nothing definitive either way until the CBA ‘official’ document is written and submitted to the players for approval.
by JohnHasADHD on Nov 29, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
They’ll use the amnesty clause to erase the final year of the disgruntled Andres Nocioni’s contract, thereby giving them enough room under the luxury tax to use their mid-level exception on a middling center like Kwame Brown.
If that’s the case, why wouldn’t they sign a guy like DeAndre Jordan to 10 million (assuming LAC doesn’t match) and rescind their offer on Hawes?
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 11:46 AM PST reply actions
That section wasn’t what I would do, but what I think they’ll d.
And I’d love to rescind the offer to Hawes regardless of Jordan, although I’d have major reservations about giving DeAndre Jordan $10 million per year.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
It’s better to pay him 10 million than to pay that same amount to a combination of Hawes and Kwame.
I would do the 10 million, only if its for 2-3 years. Athletic big men who can defend the paint, block shots, and rebound are worth that much IMO.
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Nikola Vucevic
I’ve heard a couple of time now that Vucevic’s numbers over seas have been solid. Can anyone provide more detail on this (i.e. minutes, stats, and competition)?
And I would vote to cut ties with Brand and Iggy. I like Brand. Love how he battles and I think he is one of the few, if not only leaders on the team. But we are not going to win a championship with him over the next two years and the next draft is going to be stocked with bigs. Iggy just annoys the hell out of me.
So Andre Iguodala annoys you – so they should waive him so you’re less annoyed?
Waive the teams best player, some fans are annoyed
Good point JohnHas. You have a real handle on things. I care enough about the Sixers that I follow this site, but yet you feel I would be I willing to “waive” Iggy and get nothing in return. Sorry but I wasn’t aware that I had to spell out “T-R-A-D-E” for you, when I said “cut ties”.
by HermosaPhilly on Nov 29, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Your only justification of getting rid of Iggy was that he annoyed you
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Well they do play the game for the fans
by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Leaving your irrationality about Iguodala alone, I’ll address the Vucevic question.
According to the ULEB League Rankings the Adriatic League is the 3rd best Euro league and is considered one of the 5 “A Level” leagues in Europe.
Looking at rosters looks slightly less impressive though. Among the league leaders in rebounds are Nikola Pekovic, Sean May, and a bunch of other players who are unlikely to ever play in the NBA.
It has only been 9 games but Vucevic was averaging 17.6 ppg, 10.0 rpg, 1.0 bpg in nearly 29 mpg. Pretty impressive for a young guy playing his first bit of professional basketball.
Against guys who are unlikely to ever play in the nba :)
Nothing he does there really matters, let’s see what happens when he plays for Collins. I mean with numbers like that he should beat out Hawes handily right?
I agree that it doesn’t matter much but at least it’s a good sign. He is doing better over there than Nikola Pekovic at least.
If Pekovic didn’t suck in the NBA that might mean something
Doesn’t he struggle to get minutes on his crappy team behind crappier players than hawes?
“but the Clippers lose all of the time”
The Clippers have Blake Griffin. You can build a team around Blake Griffin
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 3:52 PM PST reply actions
you can build a team around blake griffin if you have an owner who cares about winning.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
we missed 2 months of basketball
because owners care about winning
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by flightofthegriffin on Nov 29, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
apparently you’re not familiar with the owner of the clippers, then.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
yea u don't know my pain living with sterling as an owner
I’m saying all owners care about money more than winning. Sterling is just the worst of um.
wine um, dine um, 69 um
by flightofthegriffin on Nov 29, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well I don’t agree with you at all.
Many owners care about winning as much as they care about money – because winning leads to money.
Or some of them realize they have enough money and care more about winning – you know like others care about doing good.
Sterlings problem is that he’s a vile misogynists racist bastard, not all owners are vile misogynist racists bastards
I wasn’t saying anything about the Clippers current situation, just the common argument that the draft is no guarantee because of how long the clippers have been in the lottery in the past.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
Aside from olowakandi has there ever been any truly terrible picks the clippers made not in a vacuum but in relation to the draft they were in? Heck they made one of the best draft night steals ever (in my mind) when they got Elton Brand.
It was pretty consistently rough before Gordon/Griffin. Korolev 12 (Granger, David Lee available, along with a bunch of contributors), Livingston 4 (not that it was necessarily their fault), Wilcox over Amare and Caron Butler, Darius Miles at 3 (although that draft blew), Olowokandi 1 obviously, Lorenzen Wright over Kittles, Kobe (wouldn’t have played there), Peja, Nash, Jermaine O’Neal, Ilgauskas, Rentzias (kidding!), Antonio McDyess (trading him for Rodney Rogers when Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett were available).
It’s not so much any one decision that was just god awful, but that they consistently missed.
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by Derek Bodner on Nov 29, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I wasn’t trying to contradict you, just those that say Clippers dogging it for so long hasn’t paid off
I don't normally read stats, but when I do, the names Detweiller, Eric or Don are involved.
Stay educated, my friends
by CoburnsCuddleBuddy on Nov 29, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions

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