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NBA Lockout is finally over; and with that the Sixers new FO must begin



http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2011/11/22/2581655/nba-lockout-2011-david-stern-players-union-disclaimer

 

I'll put my own disclaimer: If the Sixers manage to significantly win with this ragtag group of misfits, Doug Collins isn't just a great coach. He's a miracle worker!   And by significantly win, I don't mean 41-41.  The whole thing yes, was cute. But we forget under the Cheeks/Dileo era, we but missed .500 by maybe a game or two.   The goal, is to have an actual winning season. Either today or tomorrow(IE: The future)  but the goal is to break this Stream of Mediocrity.   

Rod Thorn is one of two vestiges of the previous administration left, the other being the great Doug Collins. Keeping Collins was obvious, as he probably is a better piece than maybe half of this roster(see what I mean by being a miracle worker).  Thorn, on the other hand I wished they let go.  Thorn, like his underman Stefanski, defines mediocrity.

 

http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/7/15/1568653/the-collected-works-of-rod-thorn

When one overlooks these collected works, what you see is two great deals(The Kidd and the Carter trades) and then a struggle to escape mediocrity.    What you see, is a more famous Ed Stefanski.(Although Ed, LOVING this flawed roster for god knows what reason was unwilling to break it up and therefore unable to make even a small deal let alone a big one). 

 

"Hey, you don't know how those moves pan out half of the time". You do when you hear names like Shareef Abdul Rahim, Jeff McInnis, etc.   Rahim was a good player maybe some 3-5 years  before the signing took place.   Thorn brought in below average-to-average at best players to support Jason Kidd, it didn't work.

What would have happened had there been no Rob Babcock to save his ass?  Perpetual Mediocrity followed by a decade of losing.   In short, the 80's Sixers.   We have, very simply the wrong guy to lead this ship.   We have someone who A) has been in the NBA and B) Hasn't done squat.   He performed maybe one legitimate transaction if we're not counting Babcock's generous gift(this is the same guy who let Iguodala fall to us)

 

Infact, if we're honest with ourselves even the Richard Jefferson trade was a hand-me out gift from Houston.     Hey,maybe Thorn can work that magic to rob people again and otherwise solidify what is a very mediocre GM resume(a good GM doesn't get buy on  ripping off his inept counterparts.)

To be fair, the Nets could've been alot better.    Had they  stuck with a talent in Jackson,  Stefanski saw the talent that was Michael Redd, Thorn passed.    The Nets had a chance at Gilbert Arenas, but for the same reasons as letting Jackson go later, they went with Brandon Armstrong.  Who wasn't all that terrible, thing is though: He could add nothing to your franchise. Arenas potentially could have.

Perhaps even more alarming than the relatively conservative draft/lack of free agency success  approach, is Thorn's love of veterans.    Now, here's a scary thought: We trade a Turner, let's say we get a Paul Pierce(or more accurately, Ray Allen. Can't see Boston trading the face of it's franchise).    Let's also say we bring in a solid banger to shore up our rotation.

There's that winning season I talked about!  Problem is, it won't last and it'll rob us of a great future asset and a long term player for the Philadelphia 76ers Franchise. If we were to go "all-in" like the Eagles, the goal is to win a title.   Because only by winning a title, or somehow extending the very short window of said flawed trade or Turner busting, we lost the trade.

 

See, Boston won the KG trade because it won a title.    It didn't matter that Boston now has to undergo a long rebuilding  process with Rajon Rondo and Jeff Green.    They won a title, which is actually ten times worth Al Jefferson and scrubs.   So they didn't just win the trade, they obliterated the trade. 

 

Now on paper, Ray Allen is an excellent fit for the Philadelphia 76ers.    Andre Iguodala moves into a complimentary role and his defense(as well as Jrue's) compensates in however Ray may be lacking on that end.    Even though Ray would amount to a second option, it's 16-18 PPG that's consistent and therefore is huge boost in the arm for the Sixers. 

Get a low post stopper after that, and yeah I'd be excited. I would support said moves, reluctantly.  Because it's such a small, small window.     If we win a title, I couldn't care less(okay, maybe I do) that Evan Turner burns up the league.   

Rod Thorn, at his best, is such a HUGE risk for this Sixers franchise.  It could set us back for yet another five years.   Given his resume, and given his lack of success with the LLE/MLE signings and draft.     

I'm a Sixer diehard, I want this team to succeed and I want it to succeed in the long haul.   And I don't have confidence in Thorn. You can say he made those trades in 2001,   but the guys he made the trades with are out of the league/also-ran guys.      And those trades didn't take into account the future, long-term, etc. Which is why he didn't get more out of Kidd than two finals appearances.  

 

If my fears come to past and we make a veteran move for an Allen(as great of a fit as Allen is), I'll still support the franchise and love it. Heck, it'll be by far the best team since the 2001-03 ERA Sixers.    But I'll be nervous about the next 3-5 years.

(Yes, it is a long post but I didn't mention Iguodala's name except twice and I did so in a positive light, so there :D)

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What the heck makes you think trading turner would land us Paul pierce/ ray Allen and “a solid banger”? Why in the world would you think the sixers would even go this route? As mismanaged as the last ownership was, they were at least developing young talent. Why would this stop all of a sudden? If anything this team will get better simply because the young guys are developing (and the underdevelopment in the past was this elephant in the room that you speak of, not Igoudala) I can come up with a million and one “if” scenarios, too, but that doesn’t make them likely to happen…or even worth mentioning.

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Nov 26, 2011 12:46 PM PST reply actions  

Because near-damn every Rod Thorn signing is a veteran. He drafted K-Mart, made a nice move for RJ and Jkidd. He also made a move for an in-prime Vince Carter. So, okay age-wise. But the retooling in New Jersey flopped miserably. What of Terrance Williams? Courtney Lee flopped and they traded Devin Harris and Favors for a guy who may not wanna be back(D-Will).

Okay, so some of that is on Billy King(Haha), but the “10 picks”(most of them mediocre) and the mediocre talent in New Jersey isn’t quite what I call rebuilding.

No matter how much we “develop” Lou Williams, he will remain a chuck first guard that can’t defend a chair. No matter how much we try to tell Speights he’s 6’10 and should bang, he plays like 5’11 Iverson. Brackins and Nikki? I’m not gonna give my hopes up.

I want a new GM, I want somebody who has NO ties to the Sixers Organization whatsoever. Someone who can therefore provide an unbiased perspective.

Also, the “banger” would come in a separate move . It is somewhat unlikely that a Turner could bring in a Ray Allen, but hey you never know. Turner was the consensus #2 behind Wall and had a strong OSU career.

by LeQuan Glover on Nov 26, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

“near damn” “damn near”, same thing just putting one word over the other. You’re a scout Derek, I’m sure that you agree that Jrue-Turner aside, this team has nothing in the way of “youth”(or that is to say young players who haven’t already peeked.) And the team’s prime is a miserable and stagnant .500.

In the end, we’re no step closer than we were when we made the Iverson trade in December 2006.(and I blame that on Billy King taking the worst possible offer. The Nuggets gave you CRAP in return for an in-prime 30 year old scoring guard).

by LeQuan Glover on Nov 28, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

LeQuan, I have to congratulate you...

…lockout over for about 6 hours and you’re in midseason form. The Sixers should come out of the gates so ready to fire. Welcome back :)

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Nov 26, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

I bleed basketball, I might be controversial, I might be considered a wack-nut blow job around here but I’m gonna continue to speak my peace. Especially when I feel like this Sixers organization is at a crossroads. Either it can continue to be mediocre to falter to outright horrible, or we can finally realize what we’re doing ain’t working, can’t work, won’t work and it has to be fixed.

by LeQuan Glover on Nov 26, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

By this logic, I should only bleed cupcakes and women.

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by Michael Levin on Nov 29, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

cupcakes are just overrated muffins.

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Are you claiming to understand women, or everything else?

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

By the way...

…in honor of the return of our beloved Sixers, tonight’s dinner is…CHICKEN SOUP!!! :D

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Nov 29, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Cupcakes…..Good Grief. My girlfriend spent 20 minutes trying to explain the fascination.

While we were waiting in line. To buy cupcakes.

'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford

by nyunole on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

a wack-nut blow job

If that’s what I think it is, I don’t consider you as one, for one, or during one.

'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford

by nyunole on Nov 30, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Hilarious. I didn’t appreciate this phrase enough when I read it the first time.

by J.P.Melle on Dec 1, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

That sounds agonizingly painful.

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, there will be no trade for Monta!

by dweebowitz on Dec 1, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

they traded Devin Harris and Favors for a guy who may not wanna be back(D-Will).

Thorn wasn’t with the Nets when this happened so why are you mentioning it?

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Nov 26, 2011 5:23 PM PST reply actions  

reply fail

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Nov 26, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

How much power does Thorn really have? I don’t think they would ever trade ET for Ray Allen, unless ET blows out his knee.

Paul Peirce may be the face of the franchise but Boston won’t have any problem in getting rid of him.

by The Pied Piper on Nov 29, 2011 11:53 AM PST reply actions  

We’re underestimating Thorn/Collins’s history, best case scenario is that they do nothing. Worst case is that they bring in some veterans, ala 2001 Sixers and we make a similar run and we repeat the last ten years.

Thorn HAD to go along with Stefanski, I would’ve never hired him if I were management. But then, unfortunately I’m not. Because I value players and organization members according to their productivity(or lack of it).

by LeQuan Glover on Dec 2, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet at age 19 it’s shocking that an NBA team has yet to hire you so you can fix all of their problems!

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Dec 2, 2011 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Brought this up in another thread, but I have to think they kept Thorn with only one season in mind. Not enough time to blow up front office after they took over the team….a reality the Houston Astros are now facing after firing their disaster of a GM at the worst possible time.

Can’t imagine ownership would let Thorn add any salary this season.

'Things are more like today than they have ever been before." Gerald R. Ford

by nyunole on Dec 2, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

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