Trade Machine: Andre Iguodala to the Mavericks
Though Andre Iguodala is about a week into the 2 weeks off the doctors have given him to recover from his achilles tendinitis, he's not hurt badly enough to worry a potential suitor. Caron Butler, however, is. According to the Dallas Morning News, Butler has "at least a partial tear of the patella tendon in his right knee" and was evaluated last night by a team physician. It looks like he'll be out until at least March and possibly the remainder of the season.
With Shawn Marion nursing a thigh contusion and Dirk Nowitzki limping around on his right knee, the second-best team in the West needs some help. How badly? Well, they just gave Brian Cardinal and DeShawn Stevenson a combined 62 minutes on New Year's Day against the Bucks. Naturally, they lost. To make up for the Butler injury, they just called up Dominique Jones from their D-League team in Frisco. He played 21 minutes last night against Cleveland.
If Marc Cuban hopes to contend with San Antonio and Los Angeles in the West, he'll need to make a deal to cover up for the loss of his starting small forward. I think I've got just the one after the jump.
Philadelphia receives:
Caron Butler - 1 year, 10.6 million
Ian Mahinmi - 2 years, 1.7 million
Dominique Jones - 2 years, 2.2 million
Draft pick(s)
Dallas receives:
Andre Iguodala - 4 years, 54.6 million
Tony Battie - 1 year, 854 thousand
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We've discussed ad nauseum what we'd want in a trade for Andre Iguodala. Equal return is impossible, but high upside players and draft picks is much more realistic. Even though this package from Dallas isn't phenomenal, it does provide one high(ish) upside player in Mahinmi, and a young backup point guard in Jones. I'm assuming Rodrigue Beaubois is untouchable, and I'm also not as high on him as most, so I wouldn't sweat not getting him in a Dallas trade. And their pick would most likely be in the late twenties, which won't get us a star, but it is a good spot for golden boy Kenneth Faried.
Originally, I had Tyson Chandler as the main expiring contract, but after talking with LJ Rotter of our SB Nation Mavericks site Mavs Moneyball on Twitter, I didn't think Cuban would pull the trigger on Tyson, even though Brendan Haywood and his 6-year contract is on the bench. Here's what she said about including TC in the deal.
Never gonna happen. Tyson Chandler has single-handedly changed the mentality of the team. In my opinion, anyway.
Having Caron's $10 mil of expiring doesn't adhere to Ed Stefanski's basketball sense, but I'm hoping the recent play of Evan Turner is enough to make a move with Iguodala even if the return isn't there. A small part of me thinks that if a player is significantly hurt, he's not able to be traded as easily, but I remember when the Sixers traded for Jamal Mashburn a few years ago when he was basically retired from injury, and Raef Lafrentz has been moved enough times to make that small part of me feel stupid.
I think Jones and Mahinmi could develop into very capable role players, and a late first allows us to take a shot on a high upside player without as much of a risk. Mahinmi could provide the interior defense we've been missing from our young bigs and USF's Dom Jones is a scorer right now, but he's improving on defense and distributing. When Jrue Holiday needs a breather, having a young point guard to sub in with room to grow will be a nice change from Kevin Ollie, Royal Ivey and the like.
This would put Dallas on the short list of teams to take home a title. Iguodala is a better player than Butler, and he's also four years younger. Iguodala is a more efficient all-around scorer, even though Butler is better in the mid-range. But with Nowitzki, Jason Terry and Jason Kidd able to knock down outside shots on the reg, Andre won't be counted on to hit shots that he isn't comfortable taking. His usage rate could stay around 19% where he's comfortable, but his efficiency would go way up taking on a smaller role on a team like Dallas.
So the Sixers get a few young guys and a draft pick, while opening up playing time for Turner and picking up an expiring contract, and the Mavericks get another defensive big and one of the best 3rd options in the league. If Cuban is willing to commit the years to Andre (which he should, since Iguodala isn't even 27), then there's no reason this trade can't be made. This would leave the Sixers with only Elton Brand keeping them from a complete rebuild.
Thoughts?
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It’s not bad fit if we will know Caron’s injury status and this trade could be happen in late terms, close to deadline! We must know that Butler could help us in this season and I’ll like the front office re-sign him because I would like to see him in sixers’s roster early! He is nice mid-range, slash, inside scorer and defender! Which must protect our perimeter defense! Dominiq also no bad addition, but without normal minutes.. even with Lou, Jodie and Jrue he will have more chance to develop than with Kidd, Terry, Barea, healthy Bebua. And Mahinmi… at first thought if 76ers trade Iggy then we must receive good center… Kaman injury, Kings won’t trade Cousins, Indy haven’t reason to trade Hibbert.. but if believe the Ian grow in nice defencive C I accept this trade… and 1 else reason to thow in trash this trade – Cuban afraid the changes, which knocked the team out of the way early..
Surprisingly...
I don’t hate this one. Usually, I feel like the Iguodala trades are more built around getting rid of Iguodala, like he’s the problem with the team or something.
Obviously, Butler is just an expiring here, he’s probably out for the season. Which is fine. Don’t need him. They have a veteran backup for Turner for this year (and next)…and I am perfectly fine with Nocioni in that role.
Also, I really like Mahinmi. He seems to play well given minutes, and his biggest problem was always being stuck behind more expensive players in Dallas and before that in San Antonio. He might do well in an offense/defense platoon with Hawes. Or just take over the starting C gig altogether.
Obviously, Dallas’ draft pick isn’t going to be that great. But it might be enough packaged with a 2nd (or with, say, Lou, to get a player and a pick) to move up and get Kenneth Faried. Mahinmi and Faried would make a nice upgrade to the frontcourt, in my opinion.
eh...
I think there will be better out there than this. This is essentially Iguodala for spare parts.
If I was higher on Mahinmi or Jones (ie I thought either could be a started) I would be more interested. But Im really just not sold on eitehr of those guys as much of anything more than a Brackins-ish prospect.
I like the Chandelr idea but thats becuase he is what those guys said… the defensive presence in the middle we need…at least one who could share the 5 with Hawes (the one with the power haircut, not the other one)
I think...
…Mahinmi is pretty good, he’s always been stuck behind more expensive guys.
Any trade that clears significant cap space, ensures a couple more ping pong balls for the sixers this June and gets Turner significant playing time is fine by me.
I have this dream that we’ll have just cleared enough cap space in time for the Blake Griffin free for all. C’mon on, we know the Clips aren’t going to be able to keep hold of him.
And trading Iguodala gives us the opportunity to draft the best player available through four* positions. But knowing our luck, the BPA at our position will be a PG.
*Makes the assumption that Turner can play as a SG or a SF.
mavs are a perfect fit
While this trade doesn’t necessarily scream “equal value” for iguodala, the mavs are the perfect trade partner. Getting the best value for Iguodala is most likely going to come from a contending team that is forced to pick him up (like the mavs). Cuban is completely devoted to winning now (note the veteran ages of their roster), and the spurs had a slight edge on the mavs before Butler’s injury. Michael, I like the trade you proposed, but I wouldn’t rule out Cuban making some moves to sweeten up the deal for the sixers.
Now thats an interesting (and pleasant) thought… what might Cuban do to sweeten the pot for us. It seems we usually have to do the sweetening.
Once the Melodrama ends, if Dre is not part of that, he may become one of the best available assets for the stretch run and we could have competition for his services from Houston, Portland, Memphis, Phoenix, Knicks, OKC as well as Dallas (doubt the Spurs would pursue but I would be interested in Tiago Splitter in a deal).
A competitive market is a better market in this case.
Didn’t have anything specific in mind, but Cuban has to know that he can’t get the title starting an injured vet like Marion. I also like the idea of holding on to ai9 until more teams are interested, because I suspect any one team would be looking to “steal” him if more teams weren’t in serious contention.
However, it doesn’t necessarily have to wait until Melo signs because many teams already know he won’t sign an extension with them.
well I only say that because Denver has stated in the past (though they may have backed off) that they might like Igoudala as part of what they get for Carmelo. They seemed to cool off of that when Favors was showing signs of rapid development but maybe now that Favors has leveled off, they might prefer a more established player……
I dont actually believe that but I can hope. And that then NJ will trade us Favors in a package for AI9 + parts.
Another incarnation has Billups (who is a fan of Igoudala from TeamUSA) going with Carmelo and suggests Dre as the perfect complementary piece. The Nets send 4 picks + Troy Murphy + Travis Outlaw for Melo & Devin Harris + Damion James for Billups and again it ends with Favors, a pick and something (Petro/Morrow and Vujacic) for Dre.
One can hope…..
Kelly Dwyer hates this trade...
The pertinent part of the article, as far as we’re concerned….
This is where the trade rumors pop up, and this is where people will get it all wrong. Andre Iguodala won’t help here. He’s a fine player with many talents and a huge improvement on Butler as an asset. But he needs the ball. And on a team with Jason Kidd and Jason Terry running things, with Dirk Nowitzki(notes) needing his space, Andre Iguodala isn’t exactly going to fit in on the baseline, pulling up for that twice-a-quarter baseline jumper.
What Dwyer is missing is that Iguodala is completely capable of morphing his game to fit in with the players he plays with. I didn’t see him doing a whole lot of needing the ball this past summer. He needs the ball on the Sixers because he has been thrust into that position.
I thought people despise Kelly Dwyer?
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by secondroundpick on Jan 3, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Read it earlier today
Simply, I’m Dwyer is wrong. Andre Iguodala is one of the best players in the league at succeeding without the ball in his hands.
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by Michael Levin on Jan 3, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like his complaint is that Iguodala isn’t going to help because he’s not a jump shooter. the thing is, all the Mavs have is jump shooters…Kidd, at this stage of his career, Dirk, these are guys who shoot threes. Iguodala is a slasher. And a better one than Jason Terry. And a better defender than Caron Butler.
mavs fan here
This trade would make me incredibly happy. I would do it in a heartbeat.
however
is the consensus here that this is a trade Stefanski would consider, or is the asking price for Iggy higher?
The asking price is probably higher. Last month Ric Bucher said they turned down a Dre to Portland for Batum and Pryzbilla trade.
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by Tanner Steidel on Jan 4, 2011 8:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Mavs would do this in a heart-beat. Willing to throw in Rodrigue Beaubois too probably.
http://getbuckets.fantake.com/2011/01/04/losing-caron-butler-no-big-deal/
Don't want Beaubois...
…he’s basically Lou Williams. I want them to trade the original Lou Williams. Not interested in getting another one. The only way I would take him is if I could immediately turn him around to someone who’s interested for something I find more interesting.
Butler is an expiring. Nothing more, nothing less.
The only reason I do this deal is that I happen to like Mahinmi as a player. But I want a pick, too. Although I suspect the Mavs draft too late to pick up Faried. You never can tell, though. Look at the big guys who slipped out of the first round altogether this past draft. Faried could be this year’s Whiteside. I would definitely take him with a 29th or so pick.

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