A Player Comparison: Lou Williams vs. Monta Ellis

…I wouldn’t touch Monta Ellis with a 10-foot pole (or Croat, for that matter, or Argentine). He might be my Least Favorite Player in the league. The personification of everything I hate about Lou’s game.

In the Least Favorite Sixer award, I voted for Lou. His game irritates the crap out of me. Or maybe that was something I ate, but still, I have very little interest in undersized shooting guards who bang the ball on the floor for 22 seconds and then hoist an ill-advised jumpshot they have no chance of hitting, and play no defense whatsoever, and play serious minutes at the point but have little inclination to pass and generally poor court vision.

For my money, Monta Ellis is Lou+. Lou seems like a basically nice, likable kid who is useful for about 15-18 minutes of instant offense in an uptempo lineup next to a defensive guard like Jrue (and preferably with an “eraser” behind him, like Sammy, but that ain’t happenin’ this year). He has some value, in a limited role. His value decreases sharply when he exceeds that role (playing major minutes at the point, starting, trying to be the focal point of the offensive game plan, generally trying to be something he’s not). Monta Ellis is the same player, as your numbers show, but he thinks he’s a superstar. Ugh.

I was mostly just amused that you compared my least favorite Sixer to my least favorite player overall. Well-played, sir, well-played :)

I feel like Lou Williams is criminally under-rated, especially here in the Sixers community, especially dweeb. Last year, Lou Williams certainly didn’t pound the ball for 22 seconds. And he definately took his game to another level offensively. The mid-range game and 3pt game really opened up for him. Despite the increase in minutes, his turnovers remained roughly the same. In addition, Lou knew he wasn’t a great defender and IMO, he gave alot more effort, I remember two games in particular, last year’s home opener against Milwaukee and a game at Houston.

In the home opener, Jennings may have had a near triple-double night. But his FG percentage was poor and the Bucks as a whole struggled offensively. I remember also some pretty nice rotation D by Lou in that game. Similarly, the Houston game. Brooks might have “gone off” but it took as many shots to get as many points. Not a very good night in the win column. Between Lou and Jrue, they perserved that win.

But far more importantly, Lou found another way to contribute. If he couldn’t be a good defender, he could try to be a nice rebounding PG. Lou improved tremendously last year and I’m looking forward to more of the same. Our PG position is locked for yrs to come dweeb.

Monta Ellis dropped 26 points per game last year, you dummy

i think we keep lou if we can cuz he can be a great peice for our bench and if we do put together a stong winnning teamin the comin years he could become 6th man of the year cuz dont need ur backup point guard to set up the offense he can go out andbe instant offence for all i care

I’ve always thought of Lou as AI’s replacement, as quick but more trainable, and therefore someone who would become the Sixers starting point. I still think that, except that Jrue is already a better point guard. The truth is that at 23, Lou is the age of a first or second year player, and it is a tragedy that during his career, he hasn’t had knock-down shooters or post up players to pass too, or any consistency in coaching or defensive philosophy.

I’ll agree that he does have some shortcomings on defense, but most NBA point guards give up something on that end of the floor. It’s simply that they score more on their opponents then they are able to get on them. With more discipline in shot-selection, and enough of an offensive structure so that he is more of a team player, Lou would work as a point guard or a 2 guard, depending on the other team’s back-court.

Seriously Lou Williams is a better player than Derrick Fisher, and he is a steal at his salary level. There’s no way I just decide to put Jody Meeks in ahead of him, or Willie Green for that matter.

I’m a firm believer in putting the best players on the floor, and Lou is always in at the end of games for that reason. I’m sure that Doug Collins thinks the same way and that we will see a lot of Lou Williams. Holiday, Williams and Iguodala give this team a very strong back-court. If Turner can fit in there too then the Sixers advantage there will be even stronger. There is tremendous depth behind them with Meeks and Green. Because most of the other guards aren’t suitable point guards, Lou will be the back-up point, and on the floor at the end and when Collins thinks that he can exploit a weakness by playing him.

 Monta is way over-rated, Lou is somewhat underrated, particularly on this board.

It’s not like we’re world beaters offensively, here’s what Doug Collins said about Lou Williams:

“My thing with Lou was that I asked him: If he couldn’t start, could he be a part of a great 3-man rotation?”. Not a good or an average one, a GREAT 3-man rotation.,

Our guards/wings are our strong point, on a team with very few strong points. why do we wanna take away from our strong point, just cuz he ain’t a Jrue Holiday clone?

Lou is a lot like Thad a “Tweener”, thier both in between positions…What i like about the team as it stands now is that when Jrue is out, you can let Turner run the point on offense & let Lou be a scorer, and cross match on D…I think Lou & Monta ellis are similiar except for the fact that Monta is way more of a chucker..and let’s not 4get that Monta Ellis plays for Don Nelson’s And 1/Golden State Warriors…I wouldn’t be opposed to moving Lou if you could off Brand in the deal as well..I can’t be mad at his “Black Hole Syndrome” b/c half this team has shot selection issues..but his speed is a defenite asset for the full-court defense, and don’t forget Lil Lou got HOPS…He gets more oops & dunks off than fraudualnt 3-time NBA Slam Dunk champion Nate Robinson…and yes he’s still very young, so there is room for improvement…i juz wish he was a more consistent jump shooter…with all that said I would take him over Ellis anyday b/c there isn’t 10 better bench players in the league than Lou Williams