Why Bother?
Given the recent trend towards "SuperTeams", and how excited the players are about being on one, should Stern consider league contraction? Does he really make that much money from the Timberwolves or the Nets? I lived in NYC for 14 years, and I don't think I ever met a Nets fan, even when they were good.
I've been reading some articles about what the effects of having all the best players on a few teams would be. My personal favorite, for amusement purposes, was the idea of relegation, like from English soccer. The worst teams would drop down into the D-League, or some analog thereof, while the best D-League teams would join the NBA.
Anyway, since that will never, ever happen, what does all this mean for us, the fans of a team that will never be among the elite (at least not for the foreseeable future, given the atrocious ownership and management of the team)? Since the SuperTeam era is apparently on, with the full blessing of David Stern, and the Sixers are not going to be one of the blessed any time soon, what's in this for us? Are we expected to become "fans of the league" and go buy Heat or Laker shirts? Would it be healthier if they contracted the league to 16 teams, so every team could be, if not a SuperTeam, at least a ReallyReallyGoodTeam?
I've been a Sixer fan since the 70s (yeah, I'm old, so what?). At no point have I ever felt less good about being a fan of this team, even during the early 90s. They sucked, but there was a certain hope that they might get better. Of course, it took Allen Iverson and Larry Brown, but they got there eventually. I hate to be pessimistic, but I don't see any way out of this anytime soon without a miraculous gold strike in the draft. The combination of mediocre (at best) talent, a disastrous cap situation for years to come, and ownership/management that seems committed only to saving a few dollars against the luxury tax makes it certain that David Stern will never be smiling beatifically at us while talking about anything having to do with the Sixers other than their impending move to Seattle/Las Vegas/Tupelo.
And the sad part is, I'm not sure I would care anymore. I would be sad for a while, but it's not like Seattle. I'd feel like "Yeah, it's a drag that the Sixers moved to Little Rock, but at least it's tiddly-winks season." There wouldn't be riots in the streets if the Sixers left. People in Philly would just watch the Flyers (I'm not much of a hockey fan myself, so I would have to go read a book or spend more time working on my clients' business, which I'm sure would make them happy).
If an NBA team falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it matter?
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The Tupelo Sixers!
Interesting read, Dweeb, but I think there’s a better chance of Stern running the point in Miami than contracting the league now or ever. And I absolutely think there would be riots in the streets if the franchise moved to Tupelo or Little Rock or Vegas (watch it, Sams). It would be more of a “We’re Philadelphia! You can’t take things from us! Blue Collar!” than actually caring about the Sixers.
Relegation is crazy interesting too, and I know my boys at RU would support the D-League love, but it just won’t happen in Amurrica.
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I’ve become a total D-League fan in the last year. You know how I’m always pushing for the Sixers to stock up on D-League guys who are hungry and want to get after it and are cheap rather than the Tony Batties of the world to fill out their roster. It’s the same reason some people say they prefer college ball…seems more real and less “Let’s climb on Kobe’s/LeBron’s/D-Wade’s/whoever’s jock!”
I know none of this stuff is going to happen, but I feel like something has to be done.
By the way
This is top 5 most emo piece in this blog’s history. Rec’d for that.
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Contraction only increases the relative talent of the remaining teams and leaves a lot of entertaining basketball players without a high-paying job.
Does it make any difference if you’re #8 in an 8 team conference in a 16 team league? If a team sucks they suck. You would get a better quality of play, but a lot less content and a lot less interest in the NBA.
More teams is better for a national audience- your team lost to one of the teams that went to the finals- there’s a connection there. If you were close to beating that team, it gives you hope.
Most fans in most cities have to learn to live with some disappointment. That’s part of what it is top be a fan, and part of what makes winning so sweet. The belief that it’s only entertaining if the team wins a championship is garbage.
A team has to be working towards getting better in a tangible way- as long as we see promise turn into performance, and the team’s talent level increases either by new additions or organic growth from the young players, enough so there’s a realistic shot that at some point they can contend for a title, then I can be satisfied as a fan.
The only thing that really disgusts me is a stupid team, that doesn’t play smart, continually shoots itself in the foot, in managed by an incompetent who doesn’t understand match-ups defensive strategy or a workable NBA offense. I bailed on the Sixers last season. The team bailed on me. y disappointment comes from thinking they were on an upward trajectory until last season.
The worst aspect of the Sixers over the past few seasons has been the multiple coaches. With a good coach, I think we would feel some continuity, and have a better idea of who we’re hoping will come through as a player. My hope is that Collins sticks around for a while and shows that Thad Young is an all star, Mareese Speights is an all-star and that Jason Smith is an adequate Center, because his system allows them to be effective.
The Sixers aren’t as bad as they appear, their back-court and small forwards are NBA quality players. Jrue, Lou and Andre can score with anybody. Defensively and on the boards, I’m worried. Where’s the shot-blocker, where’s the post defender, where’s the post-up scoring and 2nd chance shot maker? In other words, if we had a younger Garnett and Perkins, how would you feel about the Sixers now?
The difference between the really good teams and the rest of them is that the good teams have multiple solid front-court players- dominant ones actually. I thought Carlos Boozer was a decent PF, but he was just too small against better teams in the playoffs. Having him on your team, means loosing his production against a team with a bigger better PF/C combo.
That is why I was so focused on Derek Favors this offseason- if I see a player that I think can hold his own with Dwight or Pau or a healthy Yao. He’s a key piece. 2 of those and the Sixers are a serious contender, IMO.
I can't remember the last time you wrote something without including Derrick Favors
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by Michael Levin on Jul 28, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this is intriguing topic….
I admittedly also thought about the English system but agree the fans would get confused. On a side note I also thing the DLeague should become a little more like the MLB minor leagues. I love following Minor leage balll (AA and below tough….Triple A has become a “dumping ground”).
Anyway… ricko, BUT maybe it would NON-entertaining players out of the league…..or at least out of the “Major NBA League”.
Also, there would be less “suck” to each team…. instead of watching a Lakers-Pacers stinker (theres two hours of my life i will never get back) or a Raptors-Pistons game played in front of “crickets”, The Lakers-Pistons teams would be more loaded and maybe a little more evenly matched with players just filling out roster spots…
Demote 14 of the 30 teams, thats cutting 196 players or roughly 46.7% of each roster -
In terms of the 76ers (say they survived since we are a big media market) , that means we would be essentially cutting 6-7 players and replacing them with better players.
My 6 cuts/demotions would be:
Battie
Green
J. Smith
Kapono
Meeks
Nocioni
Speights or Hawes would be battling it out of the last spot….
They would be repalced by the top 7 players from one of the disbanded teams… Chris Paul, Granger, Tyreke Evans, ok theres no one from the Raptors…..
Obviously not exactly the way it would work, esp but Im trying to make a point about talent dilution and distribution. You’d distribute the top 224 players instead of all 420 players.
You may still have 3-4 “power teams” but instead of 26 sucky team you only have 13 sucky teams……
Its a win-win!
Win-Win for who? Fewer fans watch would watch with no team close by. Less money for the league, less money for all those owners who want an NBA franchise in their town.
There are 6 Billion people in the world and anyone who can really play wants to make the big money the NBA offers. We’re drawing from a much larger group of potential players, then the teams in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s.
There is no reason why there can’t be 30 teams loaded with the same level of talent as the Showtime Lakers!
Obviously, with any set of players you can take a subset and make a smaller group of better teams, but this will only raise the quality of play, not necessarily make them more entertaining. For the majority of NBA fans this would really suck! You’d start another riot in Cleveland if you took their team away! That seems like a very bad business decision to me, telling a small market team that they don’t matter and no one else cares about their crappy little town.
yeh – thats kinda fair – i was trying to be cute with the win-win – i meant for you AND dweebowitz…
And you are right about Cleveland – I would be pretty ticked if the sixers were one to go…. but I dont GO to games anymore anyway… I do watch them on whatever media is available wherever I may happen to be travelling….and I do follow their blogs and statistics etc…
I suppose I might adopt a different team that survived but not with the passion of the 76ers….so MAYBE it deteriorates the TV/Media audience but I am not certain of that.
And it might be less OVERALL money for the league but if so many teams are losing so much money……they would be the ones to “perish”.
The talent pool may shrink but Im also not totally convinced of that……I mean who is the Brazilian NBA team? The Lithuanian team. I am not saying Cleveland’s team will go away but it may become AAA…..
There is no reason why there can’t be 30 teams loaded with the same level of talent as the Showtime Lakers!
This IS kind of a hypothetical for a boring day at work and you make some interesting counterpoints….
Hey on a sidenote:
I’m not dead, just studying for my MCAT (on friday). I’ll be back in full swing come saturday.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say no one noticed… nor cared. =D
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I noticed and cared!
Gotta meet our Indian quotient.
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by Michael Levin on Jul 28, 2010 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
soman3:16 says I just kicked the mcat’s @$$.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
by jefu on Jul 29, 2010 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was saying that this since last year. The. Sixers. Have. No. Chance. None. We cant even look towards the future, because, honestly, even if every single player on this team reaches their full potential, in five years, we still wont be able to beat the Heat.
With the big 3 in Miami, no other team has a chance. I really dont see how this is “good” for the NBA in general, not just the Sixers.
Hate to be so pessimistic about it, but I just dont see how this doesnt end up being the death of the NBA.
If you don’t mind me asking, how are you declaring this without even seeing them play?
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Because those 3 are simply too good to not win. LeBron took the Cavs to the Eastern Confrence Finals by himself. Imagine what he can do with Wade and Bosh. I just dont think the Sixers can compete with that.
by philiafan14364 on Jul 29, 2010 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Both Wade and Lebron have above 30% usage rate. They both need the ball in their hands. We don’t know yet how effective they will be together. I’m not saying they won’t be good, but nothing is guaranteeing they will win a championship.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
More to the point...
I dont think the English soccer style league would survive here. In Europe, soccer is life, so even if your team gets sent down, you would still watch. Here though, basketball is 3rd in sports priorities (maybe 4th if you count Nascar), so if a team gets sent down, it would likely mean the death of that franchise because people would stop showing up, and then the franchise would have no money to put back into the team.
New CBA, baby...
"Now, Maggette's one of those where when he catches, it's probably going to go up--Not to a teammate." --Jon McGlocklin, 11/14/09
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