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Using the Detroit Rebuilding Model Revisted



Sometime before the draft I made a fan post regarding how the Sixers should try to use the Detroit Piston Building Model moving ahead with the franchise. As we all recall, the team Larry Brown Coached to the NBA Titile had a very good collection of players, but no true superstars. Some people may debate that statement, but in my opinion, they didn't have that all-world player leading them, such as a Kobe Bryant. Billups was agruablly their best player who had a very well rounded game. What made that team successful? Excellent defensive team, who executed their half-court offense extremely well, especially in crunch time. They had the enact to make that one play late in the game to seal the victory.

Taking a look at their starting five, it doesn't look that scary:

C-Ben Wallace

PF- R. Wallace

SF-Prince

SG-Rip Hamilton

PG-Billups

Excellent backcourt with a frontcourt that had a defensive minded Center, a true low post scorer who had an outside game and a defensive Small Forward who can hit the occasional shots behind the arc.What made they extremely tough was their team defense. Both Billups and Hamilton were very good man defenders, Prince was the long-armmed player who had the abilty to deflect many passes, but the big anchor to the defense was Ben Wallace. He was the protector of the paint, which allowed his teammates to gamble and shoot the passing lanes. At this time of his career Wallace was one of the best shotblockers and rebounders in the entire league. Not a option at all on the offensive end, but a key player to their half-court defense.

The biggest thing we have heard since Doug Collins became our new Head Coach is team defense. He wants all his players to leave it on the floor and give maximum effort. We have heard that players who do not defend, will not see time on the court. I think we need to see it, to believe it! Team Defense is extremely important aspect of an successful team, Each and every season, the NBA Champions are elite defensive teams, which would explain why the Suns & Warriors never sniff the Title. Yes, you need to put the ball in the basket, but if you make it difficult for the other team to score, it makes winning that much easier. Last year's Sixer team was one of the worsts Defensive Teams in the league!

Going back to the NBA Finals Team that was led by AI, they were one of the best defensive teams in the entire league. Would you think a starting lineup of: Ratliff/Mutombo, Ty Hill, Lynch, Iverson & Snow would be in the Finals competing for an NBA Championship? Not me, but that is exactly what happened. Defense is the key to success, period!

Taking a look at our current roster, the team is extremely far away from competing for a championship, anytime soon. They need to have a plan and stick by it. If they are to become that tough defensive team, they need to shape their roster to fit that type of system. This season is for evaluation of which players fit the system best. The Goal is to be ready in three seasons to be a true contender. That may seem unrealistic, but that is their ultimate goal.

Looking at the current Sixers Core and comparing what the Pistons had, we have a few pieces in place, but need several more players to complete the building job:

-Holliday/Billups-Billups was a late bloomer, didn't have much success until in the right system with his third team. Holliday has that defense base, but needs to improve his offensive game, Still under 20, I expect a big breakout year from him this season, similar to the other former UCLA Guard in Westbrook.

-Turner/Hamilton-Rip also didn't hit his stride until he was put into the right system that the Pistons employed. A great, tireless, mid-range shooter who was very good off screens. Not known to be a great 3 point shooter, but deadly inside the arc. There is no reason why Turner cannot evole into this type of player. Both aren't the most athletic Guards out there, but the have the ability to be the #1 scoring options for their team.

-Andre/Thad/Prince-this is a little more cloudy. Thad's skill set is more similar to Prince's, compare to Andre. Andre is a better all-around player, but isn't a #1 Scoring Option or Superstar either. In my opinion, Thad will be the future SF for the team for year's to come, where Andre will be playing somewhere else in 2011. Young has the ability to defend, hit the occassional outside shot and run the floor. He also will have a much smaller contract as well.

-Speights/R. Wallace-Speights has a similar game to Wallace, although not even closed to the finished product that Wallace was when he came to the Pistons. A good post-up game, shooter behind the arc and servicable defensive player. Speights has a long-way to go, to even be in the same stratsosphere as Wallace. He must at least give effort on the defensive end and have a better shot selection. He either becomes Elton Brand's future replacement, scorer off the bench or playing in another city.

Ben Wallace/?-This is a huge hole for the Sixers team. There isn't a bigman who can protect the basket, rebound the ball, what so ever. The team needs to find this type of player to anchor their defense. If it is a better version of a Reggie Evans type player, a Variejo from the Cavs or even a Howard in Free Agency (Pipe Dream). We aren't seeking a great offensive Center, but a lunchpailer who will do all the dirty work. Maybe a guy like Nene or Kaman would fit the bill.

Bench-Hunter/Lou/Meeks/Green-Lindsay Hunter was that bench player who brought instant offense onto the floor. One out of the three players listed should emerge to fill that future role. Additional defensive minded role players and shooters also need to be added down the road.

The Pistons built their team to the point of being one player away, where they acquired Wallace as the final piece. The Sixers first need to get there first. Assemble a team who is a hard out in the postseason and that type of senario can happen, but that is not in the future this season.

I would get rid of all players who do not fit their system moving forward. If there is a deal for Lou Williams, Green, Kapono make it! What I would do is deal Andre for that Defense Minded Type Center if a trade can be made. If it is that Nene, Kaman, Varejo, it needs to be done. We can land that final piece when the team develops and has some success, but it is time to move ahead with the plan. As in three seasons, the cap situation clears up and the team will be in position to finally have the resources to add talent in hopes of becoming contenders!

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Each and every season, the NBA Champions are elite defensive teams, which would explain why the Suns & Warriors never sniff the Title

Remind me which Warriors team had title level talent? And those Suns have twice made the conference finals. Both times losing to superior teams (talent wise).

Infact last year, Suns gave Lakers a run for there money and defense wasn’t the issue. It was inability to rebound the ball, IE Amare playing like a 6ft5, 190 sg on the glass. Notice games in which he rebounded they won

by tafkasam on Jul 21, 2010 3:06 PM PDT reply actions  

" defense wasn’t the issue. It was inability to rebound the ball"

rebounding isn’t a component of defense?

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Jul 21, 2010 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

" defense wasn’t the issue. It was inability to rebound the ball"

rebounding isn’t a component of defense?

Thats arguable. Some coaches believe it is. Some believe it’s a seperate issue. I’m not so sure Lakers win if Amare rebounds like he SHOULD be able to (IE like other elite pf’s… ). but then again thats why Lakers won it all rebounding. Not some elite superstar named Kobe. But Gasol, Odom, Bynum

by tafkasam on Jul 21, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although I put a question mark at the end, it wasn’t really something that should be brought into question. Rebounding is a component of defense.

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Jul 21, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure if it is....

Some coaches say it’s ‘final stage’ of defense, but others don’t

by tafkasam on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh and BTW your model is false

Detroit won with 5p layers who were all stars within a 2 year period (+/-) the year they won title. Ben Wallace was second coming of Dennis Rodman, rebounding like a maniac. People forget Rasheed Wallace in his prime was one of most elite big men. He played when he wanted to, but he was as good as they get offensively and defensively. Chauncey and Rip were all stars, Chauncey bordering on elite, and Tayshaun was even an all star.

Yeah they didn’t have 2 mega stars and 5 roe players but all 5 of there starters were all stars. Only Iggy on phili is in that realm. They had 5 players of Iggy’s caliber if you will. It’d be like having a present day team of… rondo, Broy, iggy, kg (present day), horford. That probably doesn’t even do it justice.

by tafkasam on Jul 21, 2010 6:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I believe the words he used were, “no true superstars.” An all star is someone who gets voted onto the all-star team, usually by fans, and due to popularity. A team that is successful will tend to have more all-star candidates than nonsuccessful teams.

A superstar would be an elite player in the league, and there aren’t many of them. So no, his model was not false. If you want a good definition of superstar, you can read this article posted a couple days ago on depressedfan.com – http://www.depressedfan.com/basketball/sixers/league-of-superstars.php

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Jul 21, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

-Andre/Thad/Prince-this is a little more cloudy. Thad’s skill set is more similar to Prince’s, compare to Andre. Andre is a better all-around player, but isn’t a #1 Scoring Option or Superstar either. In my opinion, Thad will be the future SF for the team for year’s to come, where Andre will be playing somewhere else in 2011. Young has the ability to defend, hit the occassional outside shot and run the floor. He also will have a much smaller contract as well.

I don’t think Thad will ever be good as Igoudala. Thad isn’t quick enough to defend opposing 3’s and he hasn’t shown the ability to run the floor. He was out rebounded a lot last year, but he was going up against 4’s. Igoudala on the other hand is a good defender and averaged 6 assists per game.

by rajav on Jul 22, 2010 1:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Let me clarify what I said in my original post

-Great Defense in my mind is characterised as good on the ball, underneath the basket, in transition and playing good team defense by helping each other out. Defensive Rebounding & Shot Blocking are also apart of being an elite Defensive Team.

-Say what you want about the Warriors, but when you have a Hall of Fame Point Guard in Steve Nash and an explosive big man in Amar’e you should at least make a Finals apperance. Throw in Marion who was there for the majority of the team’s run, it was not due to having better talented teams ahead of them, but their willingness to play defense. You will never win in this league if you just try to outscore your opponents.

-I never said All-Stars about the Pistons, but Superstars. A superstar is a top 5 player in this league who is a MVP candidate. Although the Pistons had several good players and even a few All-Stars, there weren’t any superstars to speak of.

-Yes, R. Wallace was a terrific player for the Pistons when he was acquired by them. If you read over again, I stated he was the final piece to the Championship run. I didn’t discount his abilities what so ever. As for Ben Wallace, he is exactly what I described-a top Defensive Center who protected the paint.

The Piston Building Model was extremely unique, as it was a collection of very good players who played as a team. No top 5 players, like in year’s past of Kobe, Duncan, etc. The biggest strength of this team was their team defense, headed by Ben Wallace. Throw in excellent late game half-court execution and this team was able to win a titile and be in many conference championships.

We may have just one or two pieces in place that resembles the Piston team, getting that Ben Wallace type player is the key to setting the tone as a defensive powerhouse. A Ben Wallace at that time is going to be extremely difficult to find, but they to get that type of player to anchor the defense. A player like R. Wallace is a guy you get when you are one player away, which the team surely isn’t at this time. When looking around the NBA for the next type of Ben Wallace, only a select few of players fit that mold-Noah, Nene,etc. The team needs to go get this type pf player and then start getting better as a team, in hopes of becoming a contender in the near future!

by cowboyny on Jul 22, 2010 5:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd say Hawes is Rasheed.

Do you need Dalembert back to be Big Ben?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jul 23, 2010 8:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Been watching a lot of games with Hawes. Yes he is slow. Yes he is just horrible on defense. But you can run an offense through Hawes no problem. Hawes should be key on our offense. You can laugh but you’ll see it a lot this season. In my opinion, we need a PF that protects the paint. I don’t seeing Brand being that PF. Brand could be an excellent backup though(our Mcdyess).

by bdownbear on Jul 24, 2010 5:12 AM PDT reply actions  

yes

our 6 year 80 million dollar backup
if thats the case we should make him restructure his contract or trade him for a draft pick and someone willing to pay half of the remaining contract

by sd3 on Jul 24, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

also

so what you’re basically saying we got a white version of speights great that is just what team that can score but can’t play defense needed

by sd3 on Jul 24, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

One problem

We gave up one of our few defensive minded player in dalembert and got two guys who would have been good for eddie jordan’s team philosophy now we have two players, let me say that again, two players that are defensive-minded in andre and jrue. Lets think what else we have speights who is to lazy to play defense, lou who only cares about scoring, evan turner who is still a question mark, thad who can score but can’t stay in front of anyone, brand who can block shots but can’t rebound anymore because of lack off ups which used to make up for his height not mention his inability to stay in front of his man, hawes who has shown very little desire to play defense since joining the league and tonie battie who plays good D but is worse then sammy offensively

by sd3 on Jul 24, 2010 7:19 AM PDT reply actions  

Detroit is the hardest model to follow… and they had a ton of talent.

Lets say Iguodala is a top 40 player.

During the pistons run:

Billups: top 40
Rip: Top 50
Prince:Top 50
Rasheed:Top 40
Big Ben : Top 50

IMO J/I/T could all end up top 50 players…but that is best case. And no one else on the roster will sniff top 50 NBA status.

Also, the media and fans focus on offensive superstars. But in their prime, Billups, Prince, Rasheed and Big Ben were defensive stars. All probably top 3 defensively at their position. If you had foot top-3 offensive players at their position then people would say you had a dynasty. Defense is not as important as offense, but it is close. And again, Jrue and Iguodala are the only current Sixers who have a shot at being top-3 defenders at their positions.

by tk76 on Jul 24, 2010 4:23 PM PDT reply actions  

foot should B “four”

by tk76 on Jul 24, 2010 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

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