Ziller himself says the stat is flawed in Turner’s case. And honestly, anytime Turner was on the bench it was almost by definition scrub time. I’d say a relatively small percentage of the non-turner minutes were during competitive games… as Tuner played 37 minutes or more in 19 of 22 games after returning from injury.

Is it just me or has nothing but negative stuff come out on Turner since we got the 2nd pick? People really don’t want to see him team up with Holiday and Iguodala.

There’s a heckuva lot flawed using +/- data on someone who:
1) played as many minutes as turner
2) missed the cupcake schedule (as the author pointed out)
3) Pretty much only sat when games were decided.

The author points out what happens if you take OUT some of those cupcake games Turner didn’t play in and adjusted the # accordingly, but the truth is that number would have been higher had Turner played in those games, as most other prospects got the cupcake bump Turner never got.

I don’t even take that into consideration.

I’m not a fan of the +/- stat in general.

This is why, to me, plus-minus is useful. It raises red flags. Turner’s plus-minus red flag can be mostly dismissed. But at least it’s good to know it’s there.

…thanks for the useless article?