Sixers Draft '10: The Grades
by Jordan Sams on Jun 25, 2010 9:55 AM PDT
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The magnificent folks at Liberty Ballers currently give Stefanski and the Sixers a 'B' for last night's insanely obvious pick, Let's see what the "experts" have to say ...
Chad Ford: A-
Analysis: The 76ers snagged the best player in college basketball and have to be thrilled. Turner's versatility and ability to lead in big moments are the qualities that make players great. His lack of elite athleticism and his high turnover rate are some cause for concern, but most see him as having Brandon Roy-type upside.
More problematic is Turner's fit in Philly. He and Andre Iguodala are similar players and both are at their best with the ball in their hands. I think it's likely that the Sixers will try to trade Iguodala this summer. If they can replace him with a shooter, Turner could be the guy who turns the Sixers back into a contender.
The Sixers added Evan Turner of Ohio State with the No. 2 pick. He should help them immediately, but you wonder if the Sixers will some day regret passing up on Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins. Until we find out ...
Evan Turner was the right move at No. 2. Ed Stefanski and his staff explored all options and kept it simple. There's something to be said about that. Offering Spencer Hawes a fresh start and adding a competitor like Andres Nocioni to the mix for Samuel Dalembert was also a positive step in turning the page.
Some call the two-position swingman a duplication of Andre Iguodala. Uh, that's a good thing.
There's not much to say here. The Sixers took the man they wanted, the man their fans wanted and the man many felt was the best player available second overall. With John Wall being such an obvious first pick, they had plenty of time to sort through their possibilities. An argument for Derrick Favors is certainly valid, but there's a lot to like with Turner. His fit in Philadelphia depends largely on Andre Iguodala's future with the team.
Is Evan Turner going to be a good player? No question. Was he the consensus No. 2 pick? Absolutely. Is he going to be better than Wesley Johnson in three years? Ehhhhh. Turner was a no-brainer: He's polished, mature and a natural two-guard who, along with Jrue Holiday, gives Philly a dynamic backcourt that will be entrenched on Broad St. for the next decade. But Johnson was the high-riser in the 2010 draft with every team ? including the Sixers -- gushing over his workouts. Philadelphia was after another late first-, early second-round pick most of the night but struck out, a result they may regret if Daniel Orton or Hassan Whiteside turn out to be players.
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So lottery luck gives them a good grade huh?
Sitting on their asses and not taking a chance to filla GIANT VOID on their roster for a 2nd round pick should be considered a D move
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:58 AM PDT reply actions
Close to 75% of liberty ballers voters believe that Stefansk and the sixers deserve better than a B (that’s right, 22% give the sixers an A for making the no brainer pick handed to them by luck or David Stern manipulation)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions
WEll I give em a C as well – the ‘lack’ of a second move in the draft should be given a D – drafting evan turner over favors (I guess) gets you a B – average it out and it’s a c :)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I never ever believed
A. They were trying to trade the pick with elton brand for #4 and al jefferson
B. That favors was ever considered over turner – chad ford just made that up
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I too voted C. Can’t dispute the greatness of Turner (an A move) Then there’s the obvious failure to acquire a 2nd pick, especially with Whiteside and such being available at 30+ (an F move). A + F = C average.
Free agency and trades still possible. Maybe I shouldn’t feel so let down just yet.
WORLD CUP 2010!!! USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!
by chillicothe20 on Jun 25, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that’s how they do these grades. They grade you on what you got, rather than how smart you were or how hard the pick was.
Undoubtedly the Wizards were given a hundred “A+” grades for making the easiest pick since Lebron.
That’s just one reason why draft grades in any sport are pointless.
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I went with a C…would have been a D but the pick for Turner was an outstanding pick…so it brought up the overall rating a bit. But as John said…picking Turner was a no brainer, anyone of us could have made that move. It was the move or moves that weren’t made that to me is the bigger problem. I can’t imagine how anyone who follows and likes this team could give Ed anything better than a C.
Clearly the so called “Experts” are grading Ed based on the pick and not the draft as a whole. Which is incorrect.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
ould have been a D but the pick for Turner was an outstanding pick…
But it was also the obvious hands down pick and the only reasons the sixers got it was dumb luck – you’re giving them credit because they were lucky?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Mannix is the only one who said anything worthwhile.
by Jordan Sams on Jun 25, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
He was one for two. Regretting taking Turner over Johnson? doubtful.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I couldn’t disagree with that more. Big fan of Wes as a player and a person (I can say that now without assuming things) but he’s a great role player, never a star.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wes is great. He was out in the lobby in the westin a good half hour talking to ANYBODY, credentialed or not, who walked up to him. He just seems genuinely happy. It’s infectious.
But Turner’s a better basketball player.
Derek Bodner
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 25, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you were grading the pundits on how they did and I was like WHERE’S MY GRADE? I’M A PUNDIT!
This is off-topic but I was thinking me you and tanner go from our screen names to just our names ala derek bodner.
But then wouldn’t you become TheArtistFormerlyKnownasTheArtistFormerlyKnownasMichaelBourn?
by Jordan Sams on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking that also. It makes me sad though. May need to happen anyway.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
PUNDIT!
I didn’t know there was a term for all those bad jokes written on your twitter feed – good to know :)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m all professionalism nowadays. No jokes here.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
We should track the meaningless adjectives applied to mr nocioni to convince fans he was more than just trade balancing
Of course there’s tough
but PBN tells me he’s a competitor – cause you know – most NBA players arentl
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions
There was ZERO chance the sixers would’ve taken Favors lol. Doug Collins press conference at sixers.com.
He also hinted at the end “we’re under the cap, so if we were to move somebody….”
More trades are definitely in the works.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 25, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes – because the sixers never say sstuff just to bluff the fans into believing nonsense.
By the way – if he said ’we’re under the cap’ he was completely and totally wrong and more uninformed than at first possibly thought.
They may be under the projected luxury tax line for next year (but a pittance of a couple million) but they’d have to trade Andre Iguodala for nothing (to a team with cap room) to get under the cap
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Gave them a D (although I am perfectly happy with the non-screwup of the Evan Turner pick) because there were plenty of potentially useful developmental bigs all the way through the middle of the 2nd round, and nothing was done to buy or trade for a pick that could have secured their services. Second-round picks. Non-guaranteed contracts. This should have been a no-brainer. I might not be as obsessed with tall guys as Ricko, but I do recognize that the frontcourt is a glaring weakness right now. An attempt could easily have been made to start looking for a solution for little cost and little risk, and it was not accomplished.
But hey, Willie Green is still on the roster, so things are looking up!
So – I’m reading about hwo miami is super scary cause now they can sign 3 max guys – so watch out folks.
Of course – if miami clears enough cap room to sign those 3 max guys they’ll only have TWO guys under contract for next season – so sign your 3 max guys – you got 5 under contract – and say you get someone useful out of the MLE and BI annual (if they have it)
That’s 7
You need 13
Can someone tell me how miami is going to contend for a title with 6 guys basically playing on minimum deals?
(PS _ I also think wade and lebron on the same team would never work for an 82 game season – nor do i think wades injury history should be discounted)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
Seriously though – All this talk of the max guys leads me to think people don’t remember how much you need a team to win a title…that’s why I think Chicago is a good destination (and if i were wade and they wanted me – i’d choose chicago over miami) cause they hae a young core of pretty good players whose futures they control…so being capped out doesn’t matter in terms of many of their pending free agents.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wade and Rose would be weird together.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So would Lebron and Wade (in my opinion) but every one raves about how great it would be :)
THough I really think the best comp for lebron is not jordan but magic – he’s a point forward but too in love with his own weak shot
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
LeBron and Wade would be weirder than Rose and Wade. Or Ro(s)e v. Wade for that matter.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Last year when people wree predicting great things for the sixers – i was yelled at for being a negative nancy because of
New Coach
New System
Roster Turnover Integrating new players (i included Elton Brand on that list cause he missed most of the previous year)
So – fast forward to the summer of 2010 where you got folks predicting a return to mediocrity just next year with:
New Coach
New System
Roster Turnover and Integrating New Players
And the added bonus of taking one of the teams biggest strengths and making it a weakness
And when you’re all making you’re playoffs predictions next year and I say ‘lottery’ again and get yelled at for being a negadelphian – i’ll revel in it – because – ‘negadelphian’ or not – i’ve been right much more than i’ve been wrong when making these predictions
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
I can’t find an easy to copy and past list but i’d be interested to see all the names picked at 37 and on (the sixers pick they gave up for jodie meeks)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 2:01 PM PDT reply actions
Bucks took Darington Hobson at our pick.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No – that part i know – but i’m just looking for a list of all the picks 37-60 – all of them – just to see how many better than jodie meeks options there were :)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess the most noteable names are:
42 Miami (from Toronto) Da’Sean Butler SF 6-7 229 West Virginia
43 Los Angeles Lakers (from Memphis) Devin Ebanks SF 6-7 208 West Virginia
46 Phoenix (from Charlotte) Gani Lawal PF 6-9 234 Georgia Tech
50 Dallas (Draft rights traded to Toronto) Solomon Alabi C 7-0 237 Florida State
54 Los Angeles Clippers (from Denver) Willie Warren PG 6-4 207 Oklahoma
The West Virginia boys may not be much of a miss considering our log jam of “talent” at the SF position. The same applies to Willie Warren when looking at our guard stocks, though we definately need a genuine back up PG. I’m not sure if Warren is a true PG or more a combo guard.
Alabi or Lawal might be missed on our squad, if they could of made our roster. But would they have been a limited big man on the end of the bench, or the second big man off the bench, much like Meeks may be the secong guard to come off the bench.
And A+ and a B- equals an A+?
I want to go to school where you’re the dean
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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