Evan Turner: The Morning After ...
by Jordan Sams on Jun 25, 2010 5:24 AM PDT
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PrintLast night was one of the weirdest drafts I've been a part of as a sports fan. Most drafts -- no matter the sport -- I'm jacked to see what new player(s) my team will acquire. Last night was a different. The Sixers only had one pick (number two), and Evan Turner was the clear choice. Since the day of the lottery we've been analyzing, discussing and debating the pick, and last night it was simply made official. I wasn't nearly as excited as I should've been considering my team had just drafted "The Villain".
After the pick I eagerly watched the remaining 4 hours, anticipating another Sixers pick -- via trade or purchase. The further my boy Hassan Whiteside fell, the more upset I became, and when the Kings picked him at 33 I was outraged. All the Sixers had to do was shell out a measly two million and they'd have their choice between Daniel Orton and Hassan Whiteside, and they didn't, which is extremely frustrating.
I guess I can't be too upset considering where we were a few months ago -- talking about whether we should pick Cole Aldrich or Greg Monroe at number six. Instead, #MissionWTF was a complete success and we walked out of New York with "The Villain", and some sweet new swag.
Note: We've been breaking it down Turner on the Sixers for the past month. Check the links ...
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We all wanted a 2nd pick. But Ed strikes again.
Just let your soul GLOOOOOOO. JUST LET YOUR SOUL GLOOOOOO!!!!
by eltonbrand's_hair on Jun 25, 2010 5:31 AM PDT reply actions
I was bored last night (but did not expect them to make any trades or buy another pick.)
But I woke up happy. Jrue/Turner/Iguodala… the Sixers are already 60% there.
Most from Jrue’s draft class and the guy we should have got instead of Brand… Josh Smith!!!! Dwight Howard is a FA that year too.
Dwight Howard
Jrue/Turner/Iguodala/Speights/Howard
bench: Thad/Lou/Hawes/Meeks
Sorry, living in Chicago all I hear about is FA… so I dream.
Wouldn’t Speights, Lou, Thad, Meeks, and Hawes have to be extended by then? I don’t think they’d have room for Howard.
You are right about Lou, but the other guys won’t get big money.
Either way, stop trampling upon my dreams.
J-T-I
Is JTI your version of WTF? I like The Villain, The Jruth, and Exhibit A better. Either that or the Springfield Slammer for Andre.
If you had to guess right now how much do you think Hawes, Speights and Thad get? I say they all get Lou-type deals.
Hard to say until we see how this year gets. But none of them are getting big money… and unless they extend Thad early, they all will be under the tighter constraints of the new CBA after the lock-out.
For one dimensional bench players…for 5-6 years….yes
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
There’s probably going to be a lot of left over money next off season as well though – lots of teams are going to miss this year just based on the amount of teams with money and the amount fo player worth the money
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I still think there’s going to be a lock out – but I think teams with cap room will still be teams with cap room – they might have less but there will be excsessive cap room.
I think the lockout probably starts the week between the draft and free agency (if not after the finals, before the draft) so it won’t make a difference either way.
But I believe predicting their contracts (and their value) now – without seeing them play their ‘contract drives’ is like throwing a cotton ball off a boat and expecting to hit a very specific part of the ocean
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s great, but before the season is even played and free agency plays out it’s ludicrous to make such a prediction
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Almost every year there’s a player or two who out performs his career to date by a mile right before he is about to hit free agency, and almost assuredly there is a GM out there who is dazzled by these outlier numbers who thinks it’s the beginning of something real as opposed to what it usually turns out to be.
Said GM offers big contract to guy, trumpets signing, and guy returns to what he was before he was motivated by money (and keep in mind, one person claims to have heard directly from the GM that Speights primary motivation is his next contract), and dude is said to be ‘stealing money’
Speights is not eligible for restricted free agency after this season I don’t believe.
My honest true hope is that hawes and young play out of their minds, the sixers still are in the top 5 of the lottery and stefanski is fired BEFORE he can miss the chance to parlay the outlier seasons into quality sign and trade deals.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Chapu AND Evan Turner
This team is going to be great next year!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Sure, that might be true, but he's the best the 76ers got!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Sure, that might be true, but he’s the best the 76ers got!
A falsehood unsupportable by facts proffered by fanatics
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Depends on how you want to look at it.
Defensively Yes, overall, no (and i left sammy out so i didn’t cry)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh why not – let’s throw sam out there to show what the sixers lost
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
And for those who value such things, check out Hawes WS/48 to Dalembers WS/48
That’s not good
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
So over 50% of the people give Ed a B because he made one of the most obvious picks ever and then the franchise ‘braintrust’ left because they are comfortable with the front court combination of two lazy young guys and elton brand?
I don’t understand giving someone a B for doing EXACTLY what they should have done and nothing else. That’s like the definition of average to me, at best. Who here couldn’t have said ’let’s draft evan turner assuming the wizards take john wall’. Who here didn’t know Evan Turner was the pick the moment it was announced the sixers got the 2nd pick.
That high percentage of votes giving out a B to a GM who I think is rapidly approaching Billy King in terms of ineptitude is shocking
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:35 AM PDT reply actions
We are grading Stefanski on a curve
he is special, and this was one of his best moves. Most of time his moves involve tying the team down for extra years and millions for players who are old and tough.
Grading on a curve is how billy king kept his job so long…i prefer to grade on performance as this is the NBA and not public schools which obviously now advance people based on not hurting their feelings instead of, you know, cause they learned stuff
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Well there’s minimal damage he can do this off season (cause comcast has tightened the purse strings) but no way do i want him in a position to totally screw over the franchise next year with hawes and young
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not disgareeing, I’m just wondering what you think a petition online would accomplish?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
MIght make you some cash
Probably get you thrown out of a sixers game
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I like V For Vendetta, not sure i’d call it one of my fves, only reason i had it as avatar was your assignation for me down at the bottom at one point :)
Picking my faves is a complicated nebulous ever changing process….if i had to name a top 10 right now, I doubt V would make it – might not make top 20 :)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Gave him a D. Not getting another pick either by trading expiring contracts or ponying up relatively small amounts of money is fairly unforgivable. Although, I guess I have to include the entire Stefanski/Snider/Comcast Axis of Evil in that D. Or, no D, as the team is going to be this season.
I wasn’t calling out anyone specifically – but the percentage of B’s (right now at 52%) just was kind of astonishing to me.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I get that people are excited about Turner. But there really needed to be a second pick. There was at least developmental quality into the mid-2nd round. I can’t see not buying a mid-2nd pick, considering how weak the frontcourt is.
Maybe they’ll get Omar Samhain in as a UDFA. He’s probably the best big left at this point.
Dionte Christmas was the UFA everyone got excited about last year, I’m sure the sixers will pick up some names to fill out the summer league roster, but unless they have under 13 contracts, I doubt the sixers will sign anyone this offseason
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes…I was pretty disappointed that Dionte Christmas played like such crap in summer league. But I’m a Temple homer.
Hm. Let’s see…
G (5): Holiday, Turner, Williams, Green, Meeks
F (7): Iguodala, Young, Brand, Kapono, Speights, Nocioni, Smith
C (1): Hawes
Nope, no Samhain, probably. But wow. That’s a pretty awful roster.
WEll here’s the conundrum.
I want hawes and young to play out of their minds to increase their value in the off season to facilitate a sign & trade, but in doing so I think the sixers might lose their shot at the top 3 in the lottery.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
But you know if Young and Hawes play out of their minds, they’ll be re-signed for way more and way longer than they’re worth, and the Sixers will be stuck with them long after Brand’s contract finally clears out.
I doubt Stefanski is savvy enough to recognize a one-year blip and do the sign-and-trade.
hey’ll be re-signed for way more and way longer than they’re worth
See, in my fevered little mind, the sixers fire Stefanski and hire a smarter GM who sees the ‘contract drive year’ for what it really is and helps hawes and young get big contracts with other teams (via S&T) and accumulates assets for the long term build.
I also have come around to the fact that for the long term future of the franchise, in this off season with so many teams looking to contend and build, it’s time to trade Andre Iguodala
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
it’s time to trade Andre Iguodala
Here’s my problem with Stefanski. He won’t make a move unless he can spin it as basketball sense, so don’t expect trading Andre for the right stuff to happen. More Nocioni-type players will be involved instead of favorable contracts, young players, draft picks.
Here’s the thing though, you can spin trading iguodala in basketball sense if you are smart enough to realize that your attendance won’t suck much worse anyway if you get worse for a couple seasons, and this franchise HAS to get worse before it’s going to get better in my opinion.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely, but Stefasnki will never believe that. He’s too stubborn. He believes in band-aids and magically turning 27-win teams into a champions without re-building.
What Iguodala trade could he make that he could spin as basketball sense that would also benefit the team?
So did billy king, who should have been fired YEARS before he actually was, stefanski and his band aid approach to this roster is even MORE pathetic.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Possibly – but keeping him here as he ages and the team doesn’t get closer to competing means it’ll be even worse in the future most likely. He has value NOW, he has demand now, if reports are accurate, that might not be true in 2-3 years.
I don’t know WHAT trade he could make that he culd spin as making basketball sense, the spin is ‘we know this trade will make us worse in the short run but we’re trying to build a championship contender here…and that takes time and patience…’
All they’re doing now is trying to build a team that will probably lose in the first round of the playoffs (as I see it)…the ‘mismatched toys’ idea is even worse because one of the few pieces I would have had the sixers keep for building a title run has been traded for worse players
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
It would have to be a combination of multiple draft picks (maybe #1s in consecutive years), expiring contracts, and young, high-upside prospects. Not some “tough” veteran with little talent who appeals to the Rocky fans in the audience.
(maybe #1s in consecutive years)
That’s against the rules of the NBA – you can not trade #1’s in consecutive years (you can trade them AFTER you make the picks – but you can’t have a prearranged agreement far in advance)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
OK. Fair enough. But you get the idea. A combination of multiple draft picks (however that works), expiring money, and high-upside prospects. Nothing else would be value for Iguodala.
I love Iguodala as much as the next guy but you are grossly over valuing him in my opinion. multiple first round picks, high upside prospects AND expiring money?
So, like 2 first rounders, 2 high upside prospects and expiring money seems fair to you?
You can get value for Iguodala, but I think the amount of value you expect is unrealistic based on nba trading history and patterns
In 3 years (approximately) when jrue and turner mature, iguodala will be 29 and his contract will expire…where do you think he’ll be in terms of career arc and contract value at that point?
Do ou think the sixers will contend before Iguodala turns 29?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Aside from Jefferson what was the KG HauL? I don’t recall
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Minny recieved Ryan Gomes, Al Jefferson, Sebastian Telfair, Gerald Green, Theo Ratlif, Cash Considerations, Boston’s 09 draft pick top 3 protected,
OK, not sure which is accurate, but bostons ’09 pick was not exactly a high pick, and they got one solid power forward (i guess) and a solid back up….not exactly a great haul for a guy in the top 10 in the game at the time.
Using that as a measuring stick, and lowering for Iguodalas ‘profile’ in the league (accurate or not), I think one first round pick, one SOLID young player and an expiring contract might actually be a good haull for Iguodala.
When trading Iguodala you can’t be emotoinal – you have to take into account previous trades (like this one) and factor in perceptoin of Iguodala around the league – a second banana goes for a lot less than Kevin Garnett
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Would you rather hold on to Andre until he’s 29, have him develop with Jrue and Turner, and deal him at the Trade deadline for a deal similar to this one. Or would you rather deal him prior to his contract expiring for a solid young starter and have the trio of Turner/Jrue/Young player to develop?
I think he should be dealt now
I also think Young doesn’t belong in the trio of Jrue and Turner – he’s been in the league longer and shown so far nothing to indicate he’s going to be a long term starter in the league, let alone a starter on a contending team.
The sixers currently have 3 players I think would start on a contending team, none of them are thaddeus young
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed on all counts, and I’l leave you with this seing as how I’m going out to eat :). Between Thad, Speights, and Hawes, I see Thad being the one to get the big, over inflated deal. His one flash of brilliance is ripe in Ed’s mind. His work ethic, pleaseant demeanor will keep him around similar to Willie Green. I’d keep Thad at no more than 3 mil a year, he’s not a starter and for those making excuces for him due to EJ, EJ didn’t force Thad to play weak defense or not rebound, just look at Jrue and Andre.
His one flash of brilliance is ripe in Ed’s mind.
If he’s bad this season combined with last season I don’t think that one flash of brilliance would even befuddle Ed
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Andre’s positive track record in terms of health certainly leads me to believe that he’ll have a relatively long and effective carreer. At 29, his value will be a bit lower due to his age, but we should be able to good value on return. Barring another miracle at the lottery, we aren’t contenders in 3 years.
There’s an argument that ‘games based on ahtleticism’ age faster than players whose games aren’t based on athleticism, we can agree that iguodalas game is based on athleticism quite a bit right?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Without a doubt his game is based on Athleticism. My point for referencing his good health over the years is that, in comparison to other athletic players, his game will have a smaller chance of deteriorating rapidly as he ages. Tmac is a good example of player whos injuries signifigantly hampered his ability to play at a high level.
And I thought you liked Iguodala. No team ever gets equal value for a player of his ability. Therefore it cannot make basketball sense unless he becomes redundant.
If that happens I give this draft and F. because it will be Turner that will make him redundant and could have been avoided had they drafted a big instead.
It’s absurd to talk about young players and outlier performance when they haven’t even established a baseline of performance yet. If they start playing better next year, it will be in part because of the coach, and their natural growth as players. I know nothing about Hawes, but I think Thad Young has enormous potential. If he starts hitting his shots next season with confidence, that’s something you can expect to continue. Stefanski can’t pay them lots of money, considering that the new agreement will lower the cap and any new salaries.
I think you’re safe. Collins is the guy you have to worry about. He’ll probably get this team to overacheive slightly. My outlook is, as long as the young guys are playing, growing, developing, I don’t care what their record is.
But you have to admit that this is not what you would call a talent-rich roster. What is the reasonable ceiling on some of these guys? What would you consider overachieving? 30 wins? 35?
Let’s look at this by “tier”, if you will.
Tier 1: Potential Superstar – None
Tier 2: Potential All-Star – Holiday, Turner, Iguodala
Tier 3: Solid Starter on a Good Team: Speights (?)
Tier 4: Solid Bench Player on a Good Team: Young, Meeks, Williams (?), Hawes (?)
Tier 5: End of Bench Guy: Nocioni, Brand (at this point)
Tier 6: Should be Out of League: Smith, Kapono, Green
Anyone with a (?) could easily be one tier lower.
That’s not a whole lot of upside here. I don’t know how much better Collins, or even Phil Jackson, could make this team. They can’t even field a decent NBA starting five on potential, let alone actual performance to date. There needs to be a major clearing out and a massive infusion of talent for this team to make any kind of serious steps toward real contention.
I believe it’s way too early to say what Holiday (let alone Turner) are or aren’t potential wise…is it likely that they’ll be superstars? No. Do they have the potential – I believe that hasn’t truly been determined yet :)
I also disagreed that Speights would e a solid starter on a good team – yet – his weight, dedication, and defensive indifference make him a solid bench player (tier 4) in my mind.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I pretty well agree with you on Speights which is why he’s question marked), but he does have a certain amount of potential…if a coach can get through to him, he could be far better than he has shown. Remember, this is how I perceive the upside, not the current performance.
On the other hand, I don’t see Jrue or Turner being Chris Paul or Kobe Bryant. Chris Paul was Chris Paul pretty much right away. Jrue was a pretty good PG pretty much right away. There’s a big difference.
I agree Speights has upside, I don’t agree it’s on a coach to find it, it’s on speights, the concers coming into the league when he was drafted were dedication and work ethic – those are on HIM – not any single coach
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Chris Paul actually got to play his position in college as well, and had a much better coach upon entering the league. Not to mention being a year older than Jrue. I’d wait until this year to really see Jrue’s impact to really begin measuring him out, imo
by MojoPharoah on Jun 25, 2010 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
When Kobe Bryant was drafted 13th out of high school who saw Kobe Bryant as Kobe Bryant except maybe Jerry West?
Dwyane Wade was good, he wasn’t seen as a super star good when he was drafted…
Who the hell knew who dirk nowitzki was?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree. Jrue was seen as the best player in HS 2 years ago. Turner was the best player in college last year.
I don’t expect either to be superstars, but it’s hard to place an accurate ceiling on either of them.
I think placing Jrue up with Chris Paul or Deron Williams is probably not a reasonable expectation. I was trying to slot players into a level of reasonable expectation in terms of upside. There is no indication that Jrue is a top 3 PG in the league, even on upside. Top 7, I am willing to give him as a reasonable expectation of his upside. I believe he’s going to be very, very good. Very, very good is different than “superstar”.
To me, the Sixers have three players that can reasonably be considered as “good”. And one of them has never actually stepped on an NBA floor, so it’s a big assumption. But one I’m willing to make for the purposes of this exercise (because there’s so much riding on it and all, y’know).
But without at least 2-3 more “good” players, this isn’t even an NBA roster. There are guys here who barely belong in the D-League. And some of them will be asked to play real minutes.
I think placing Jrue up with Chris Paul or Deron Williams is probably not a reasonable expectation.
There are more ‘superstar’ Point guards than just those two – those are the two best (tied?) point guards in the game today – tony parker, steve nash, rajon rondo, derrick rose – do you see them as super stars (either now or in the prime of their careers)
if you believe that a super star at a position is limited to one or two guys around the league – sure – but if you’re telling me you don’t think jrue holiday can be a top 5 point guard in the league (which i consider a super star point guard) – then I’m saying it’s too early to judge that
But again, chris paul, deron williams, kobe bryant, they weren’t super stars after their first years…paul and williams did not play out of position in their only year of college and nor did they paly for one of the dumbest coach’s in the history of the NBA their first season.
If you take into account everything ‘against’ him, Jrue Holiday had a HELL of a rookie year, as the youngest player int he league, and to set a ceiling on him already does him a disservice
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
>> paul and williams did not play… for one of the dumbest coach’s in the history of the NBA their first season. <<
I’ll give you that :)
The thing is, I don’t know if Jrue is even in the top 5 PG in his own draft class…there were some good PGs drafted last year. Do you think Jrue will be better than Collison, Lawson, Rubio, Flynn? He might be, he might not. And it doesn’t matter. He’s not the issue here, really. I don’t mind if you disagree where I’ve slotted one of our three good players. My basic premise still holds. He’s one of our three good players.
My point is, the roster needs a huge amount of more talent, the only players that really seriously belong on an NBA roster are backcourt/wing types, and Ed didn’t do squat to inject more talent.
And to answer your question, definitely Nash, and possibly Rondo (on his current trajectory) in Tier 1. I would put Parker and Rose (at least right now) in Tier 2.
The thing is, I don’t know if Jrue is even in the top 5 PG in his own draft class…there were some good PGs drafted last year. Do you think Jrue will be better than Collison, Lawson, Rubio, Flynn? H
Too many people are obsessed with that one year in college and one year in the NBA
You can not assess this after one year (I believe John Hollinger or David Thorpe predicted that Jrue would be the best point guard from their draft didn’t he?)
We’re really going to bring up lawson and collison again? Jesus I thought the lawson debatee was already over
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not a debate. I’m just throwing it out there. We don’t know anything at all about how Jrue is really going to be. A lot of people thought Thad Young was going to be a player after a relatively promising rookie year…do you remember “And they don’t even run any plays for him…wait til they start running plays for him”?
I slotted him where I think he’s going to end up, based on my thinking he’s a pretty good player and that he could be even better than that. I didn’t say Lawson was better. For the record, I think Jrue is better. What I said was we don’t know yet.
"And they don’t even run any plays for him…wait til they start running plays for him"?
How were people supposed to know that running plays for him confused him…and that not running plays for him is how he excels :)
Jrue will be the best, or at worst second best, POINT guard from his draft (not shooting guard who plays point guard but is the primary scorer, but ACTUAL point guard)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubtful…the team got better simply by getting rid of Eddie Jordan. Collins actually being a basketball coach should take them out of the bottom 5. I can’t really say that the team got worse by trading Dalambert. Their defense certainly got worse but they got better by drafting Turner that much is obvious. It should also allow Andre to improve by putting him in a position he is more successful at.
Even with everything that went wrong last year, this team was not a bottom 5 team, they got lucky netting the 2nd pick. Think about that for a second. As bad as they were, they still had the 6/7th worst record in the league.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
I can’t really say that the team got worse by trading Dalambert. Their defense certainly got worse but they got better by drafting Turner that much is obvious. It should also allow Andre to improve by putting him in a position he is more successful at.
Drafting Turner does not make up for the fact that the best rebounder on the sixers is now ANdre Iguodala
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Even with everything that went wrong last year, this team was not a bottom 5 team,
You’re right, they were bottom six
Even with evan turner, the team is worse because they lost Sam
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I know you do, because I think you underestimate the importance of having a shot blocking presence who was the second best rebounder in the league the past two seasons.
Even WITH Sam, the sixers tend to be weak on the defensive glass, how crappy are they going to be next year?
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Brand will bounce back rebounding-wise, Hawes and Speights could be adequate, Nocioni is a good rebounder, as is Jrue, Turner and Iguodala. Plus Collins seems to get the most out of his teams on the glass and on defense.
I suppose they could be – but it’s not JUSt the rebounding, it’s the blocked shots, the alters, etc…you threw up the player comparisons yesterday – compare hawes to dalembert – see how much the sixers lost in terms of ‘win share’ – they ain’t amking that up so easily
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
True that they won’t have a shot-blocker, but JIT makes it less likely for guards to penetrate. I don’t think they’ll be in the playoffs or anything, but 30 wins is a possibility.
I still see it as Collins, Turner, Full year of Jrue, Nocioni, Hawes > Dalembert, Jordan
This whole ‘less likely for guards to penetrate’ is a pleasant idea that people keep brining up – but they’ll get in early foul trouble most likely because teams will be hella more aggressive.
And who’s going to stop even league average power forwards from destroying the sixers on the glass.
I still see it as Collins, Turner, Full year of Jrue, Nocioni, Hawes > Dalembert, Jordan
That’s great, but it’s a fallacy
They aren’t linked together – Collins > Jordan
Full Year of Nocioni Hawes Jrue < Full Year of Jrue Dalembert
Those are the comparisons as far as i’m concerned and anyone who argues nocioni hawes is better than having dalembert in the middle hasn’t presented me with any single shred of evidence that it’s true ON the court or OFF the court.
It’s also a pointless argument – most people seem to think that it’s a good trade for the sixers on the court and are ignoring the facts in front of them (including sams health compared to hawes health in respective careers).
I’m not concerned about hawes offensive abilities because they aren’t as relevant to the sixers being good as the defense from the big men – of which sam was a great part of that and he’s gone
It’s also an argument that’s already been beaten to death.
I get it, sam wasn’t that important and ocllins is a savior who can turn swine into filet mignon…
I however, don’t tend to take things ‘on faith’, my religion kind of instructs against that anyway
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Much like predicting the contracts of hawes and yougn it’s WAY too early to predict the sixers record next year before free agency ends, but I believe that the nets will be better next year than they were this year, regardless of who they sign, based on them being healthier and having a better atmosphere (i believe CDR is what people refer to as a ‘lcoker room problem’ – he talks WAY too much)…the knicks could be significantly better, the raptors could be significantly worse, as could the cavs.
There’s too much uncertainty in too many rosters to project a record right now with any sortof confidence.
I think the sixers will probably arrive in the top 5-7 of the lottery again next year though.
Unrealistic expectations though seem to be the norm
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not – i believe the ‘power’ of doug collins is being over estimated and the loss of Sam Dalembert is being under estimated.
It seems that the firing of Eddie Jordan will solve all the sixers problems to many people whereas I believe while Jordan was a terrible coach he was not responsible for many of the problems on the sixers (especially the inability of people to rebound) nor does Doug Collins magically make these guys get better int he off season.
Thad Young added 10 lbs – which is great – I guess – though he’s only real strength is scoring in transition and now he might be slower – it still doesn’t give him a clue what he’s doing on the defensive end
The problems with guys like Young and Speights (as I see it) are not ones of ‘system’ but ones of drive, dedication, and fundamentals – these aren’t things a head coach can fix – nor should he be expected to – these are things guys need to work on in the off season
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
But you keep ignoring the fact that they have a competent coach. Yes, as I said, their defense is worse, and so is their rebounding but as a team, as a unit they are better.
Looking forward to the Kevin Kolb era.
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
But you keep ignoring the fact that they have a competent coach. Yes, as I said, their defense is worse, and so is their rebounding but as a team, as a unit they are better.
I don’t ignore the fact that they have a different coach (who has been out of the league a long time, so I’ll wait and see how copmetent he is) but even red auerbach phil jackson and john wooden couldn’t make the trio of hawes, brand and speights ‘frightening’ enough to any team to worry about driving to the basket or averaging a close to 30% offensive rebounding rate all season long.
People think Doug COllins is a ‘cure all’ for what ails the sixers (again, everything that went wrong last year was NOT Jordans fault so Collins can’t FIX everything), but the sixers traded their best (only) defensive big man and replaced him with a doughy fragile weak ass lottery disappointment (so far) and people seem to think that doug collins is like jesus and he’ll turn crap into gold…The team will only be as good as the roster, and right now the roster of big men won’t scare any team in the league from driving towards the basket…or sending all 5 to the boards to get the rebound because the sixers rebounding now sucks
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Come on Willie
Joel ANthony is turning down his contract option, he’s doing his bit for the cause, help a franchise out
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:46 AM PDT reply actions
If he wanted that he’ stay in philly – we all know he’ll get his 20 minutes
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Couple interesting things coming out today about two projected first round picks who slid to the second round
IN summation
Whiteside possibly has severe ADD (or ADHD) and stopped taking his meds – as someone who suffers from ADHD and has all his life (and doesn’t take meds for it) – that could actually explain a lot of his behavior and if meds helped him balance out – he could be a second round steal more so than previously thought. (I also ALWAYS thought rasheed wallaces problems were ADHD that was never diagnosed)
Alabi slid, supposedly, because of a previously undiagnosed, non life threatening, condition that was discovered during the draft preaparation process. The report I read doesn’t name the illness, but lets keep in mind that some dude slid to the spurs in the second round cause of lack of knee cartilege, any sort of ‘surprise’ illness is bound to scare off NBA GMs since you only have the two rounds.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:58 AM PDT reply actions
I think Alabi had a heart condition, or was that someone else?
I’ll forever be upset about Whiteside. The same way I’m upset about Rondo and Big Baby. But for every Baby there’s a DeAndre Jordan and Sean Williams — two others I really wanted the Sixesr to take.
If the thing about whiteside and the ADD is true, then i’ll be more upset because it’s manageable, and trust me, ADD without medication if you don’t make an effort to deal with it can explain all his craziness…and he still is just a kid. I’d be seriously asking him about it and taking meds during an interview, but if he was willing to get treatment – for a second round pick – for that upside – no brainer.
And hey look who got him.
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m serious, you don’t just throw hep b out there without an actual source unless you work for Fox News or the NY Post
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Do a google search. This is the root, from what I can tell: http://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/16996893286
And HBV is not that serious.
Well that’s at least a source, and they’re right, hep b isn’t life threatening, so two guys who slipped maybe for easy to fix reasons that the sixers couldn’t spend a copule mil to take a chance on – bummer
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Another draft pick sold for cash
Knicks get Jerome Jordan from Bucks
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 8:45 AM PDT reply actions
I couldn’t listen – god i hope it was the internet – or nerves – but turners voice sounded awful
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Luckily my eardrums were blown out by the announcer at the beginning… All was quiet, and then — ear rape.
Unluckily Turner’s face is almost as bizarre/grating.
I love Turner’s face and voice. This is a personal attack towards me.
by Michael Levin on Jun 25, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
In MB’s defense, I thouroughly enjoyed his giddy texts arriving at my phone approximately every 27 seconds ;)
what goes on between your cell phone and his cell phone is not something we need to know :)
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No playing, I just thought you and mike were dating
by jemagee on Jun 25, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess is, this is why Turners’ voice sounds at it does.
The 1989 Chicago measles epidemic caused Turner to desperately need emergency room services. He encountered severe breathing problems that required the removal of his adenoids and tonsils.
Any one else here had thier adenoids and tonsils removed and can shed light on the proceedure?
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