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I read it, and have no reason to dispute anything he wrote. But I liked his conclusion that the team should draft Favors (Surprise)

Good to know I’m not the only one.

The most disturbing thing is that this guy says he’s not a particularly great athlete, and I think that’s very important in the NBA, not to mention “fit” with the Sixers. What if he’s too slow down the floor, what if he can’t get his shot off against players his size?

I didn’t watch him play, but this writer did and he makes a serious point that would give any GM planning to select him concern.

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Still waiting on those teams there ricko

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

what are you talking about?

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Louis Williams, starter, lots of teams…

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is better than Fisher for the Lakers, is that good enough? He could start for Miami, NJ, Washington, Cleveland, Detroit, Dallas…..

His numbers before his injury the last season when he ran the point were all-star level.

He’s not better than Tyreke Evans, Chis Paul or Derron or Nash or Rose or Jameer Nelson. But I would say he is a top 10 point guard in the NBA, which means there are about 22 teams he’d be an upgrade over their current player.

On the Sixers, however, I like Jrue in large part because of his size and his defensive qualities.

Honestly, Lou Williams can light it up a lot like Iverson, and has similar holes in his game.

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

NJ? over devin harris? really?

washington? over john wall? really?

dallas? over jason kidd? really?

"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of harris. Would any of you consider trading the second pick to the nets for harris and their pick to get favors or johnson?

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t happen cuz that would leave nj w/o a point guard – salaries would also have to match up

"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 23, 2010 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Harris sucks, and Kidd is done, Williams is better than both now. As for Wall, we’ll see.

BTW. Lou is Walls age with a lot more NBA experience.

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

there is just so much wrong with that statement it’s not even worth getting into

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 23, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Wall has had one year of college – so he’s one year removed from a senior in high school
Lou williams entered the league 4 years ago – so he’s four years removed from a senior in high school

Four is Greater than One

18+4 is Greater than 18+1

22 is greater than 19

So no – Lou is not Walls age – and while he have more ‘nba experience’ than john wall – he has less point guard experience – period

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know much about the triangle – but I know louis williams would fit in as well on the lakers as i would in a sensitivity training course

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

As long as Sixers brass think Turner has All-Star potential, I’m fine with us drafting him. If they draft him because “Draft Experts” have them picking him and say he’s an elite talent, that’s idiotic. If they decide on someone other than Turner, they should trade down and take their man, IF they anticipate him being there. This year’s draft is deep and good value can be found. Take who you think is the BPA and draft him.

by prideoux on Jun 23, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

I personally think Turner’s “lack of athletisism” is extremely overrated and his actual basketball skill is underrated.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 23, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

You could expand that to the entirety of the NBA, athleticism gets too much credit and skill doesn’t – think about a guy like John Stockton – would he even get a sniff in todays NBA? I think the league has tilted too far and that’s why you have so many guys who don’t develop…

I think the iguodala / turner thing is also blown out of proportion too much right now

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Iguodala/turner thing is annoying not because it doesn’t hold a possibility of being true, but for the fact that there is no evidence (for example them playing a single flipping game together) to support it. On that note, not enough credit is given to Andre in his ability to morph his game to his teammates. He’s one of the best at it in the league.

by prideoux on Jun 23, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

On that note, not enough credit is given to Andre in his ability to morph his game to his teammates.

That’s just lazy writer not bother to look at history – PBC – pre big contract (and end of Iverson) let alone time in Arizona.

But keep in mind folks, one of the things Andre Iguodala took pride in (and said so on tv) was proving Dick Vitale wrong who (unsurprisingly since he’s a douche in love with the ACC and kids who stay in school) said Iguodala would be a bust in the NBA

I hope this whole ’cant work together thing is something that motivates them both)

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

they were also buddies before the sixers got the number 2 pick.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 23, 2010 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Liking each other helps – but it’s about ego (and setting it aside) that is going to make it work and prove the naysayers wrong.

Or Iguodala will get the Kevin Martin treatment

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not worried about Iguoudala and Turner playing together, nothing wrong with having a 6’7 shooting guard and a 6’7 small forward.(depending on match-ups of course)

I also agree that athleticism is over-rated. Rodney Carny is a great athlete, but not a great basketball player. John Stockton and Steve Nash show you don’t have to be super-human be be highly successful basketball players.

But is Turner fast enough to fit with the Sixers, or would he slow them down the way Andre Miller did? The comments about the Big 10’s relative weakness and how Turner’s numbers are therefore inflated does give me concern. As did his contention that Turner had bad games against people his size.

I really don’t have an opinion, I didn’t watch their workouts and I’m just not into College Ball. This was the first negative thing I read about Turner, however, and the writer felt the need to write it. And he did proper research, talking to scouts and so on.

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Turner had one of the fastes times ever in the agility drill. Better than Iguodala. And his 3/4 quart sprint was as about the same as Iguodala.

Turner is plenty fast. Questions have been more about explosiveness in that he does not play way above the rim.

That said, he is the same height as Iguodala, and the same vertical- just 2" shorter reach. So I don’t think its a problem.

by tk76 on Jun 23, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that’s the case, he’s quick enough.

by RickoT on Jun 23, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If that’s the case, you ignored facts

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

ball handling, body control, quickness, and ability to change speeds impact your ability to get past your man much more than vertical. Turner has all of those attributes. That knock on him is borderline asinine in my book.

by Derek Bodner on Jun 23, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea. What you lack in atheticism can be gained in high iq. I mean, players like larry bird. Athetic, hell no? Affective, yep. Not a direct comparison, just a side note. Then, you got high athetic players, who are only that, athetic. They can dunk and thats there game.

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

rodney carney and thad are both great athletes

by Jordan Sams on Jun 23, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

yea and both havent elevated their game to all star.

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rodney Carney is the ‘poster child’ for the focus on athleticism in my opinion
Unless of course you won’t to go back to

with the 9th pick in the nba draft – the philadelphia 76ers select Larry Hughes (instead of less athletic dirk or paul)

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

both have been all stars

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

And your point is what now?

by jemagee on Jun 24, 2010 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Love this quote
After watching several of Turner’s games

I stopped reading after that.

by Derek Bodner on Jun 23, 2010 1:58 PM PDT reply actions  

True, he didn’t use youtube at all

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

i see him as rookie of the year. All star, only time will tell.

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Is it just me, or does Steve Nash basically do whatever he wants on a basketball court — offensively. He sure as hell isn’t athletic.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 23, 2010 2:26 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, and all for the reasons Derek said above. “ball handling, body control, quickness, and ability to change speeds” All things Steve Nash has in his repertoire, and the reasons I believe Turner has a good shot at being an All Star.

by prideoux on Jun 23, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

John Stockton is probably the best ‘distribtor’ of all time – wasn’t that athletic – would he even get drafted in todays nba?

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t forget the soccer link though. My friend’s father is a huge soccer fan, and a couple of weeks ago that’s what he rested his opinion of Nash on. He basically said the same thing on Mike & Mike either late last week or the beginning of this one. So while he may not have those freakish athletic qualities we know and love (ala Iguodala), to call him unathletic…I don’t know. He has incredible footwork, and that’s from soccer (or so he says).

by Dylan Marck on Jun 23, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sam Dalembert was a soccer player

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey I hated the trade, this is the wrong tree lol.

I just feel that classifying him as unathletic ignores the muscle memory and skills developed by another sport that has translated (according to the player) to basketball.

by Dylan Marck on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

And saying that ‘athleticism in soccer equals athleticism in basketball’ ignores the inherent ‘different’ muscle memories in the two sports.

Steve Nash is athletic

Josh Smith or Kobe Bryant are much more athletic

There are degrees

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

But is it really different? He doesn’t think so, so I’m not ignoring anything other than what the player said and why he believes he’s so good. That’s all, nothing more, nothing less.

Also, if you see the original post that I replied to, it didn’t say he was athletic. That’s all im arguing for really, that he is athletic, just…well…differently.

by Dylan Marck on Jun 23, 2010 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Players aren’t usually the most educated in muscle memory and kinesiology…

soccer players stand around a lot too – man that game is boring

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hear that; although today’s was much better in that it can be summed up in what…20 seconds?

That and the bloody vuvuzela…

by Dylan Marck on Jun 23, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

dont forget about matt geiger very athletic

by phillyeaglesfan on Jun 23, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not just you, it is what it is. Yea.

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:27 PM PDT reply actions  

and btw, turner looks mature. If you look at favors interwiew, its clear the difference. Just hope they get turner. No matter who you, are your game, your pesonality, someone somewhere will find fault. Why nobody knows for sure the outcome.

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Repost of my take on Turner…
 
I am high on Turner. I don’t think he will be a top 5 NBA superstar, because I general believe to be a superstar you must have either pure shooting or elite athleticism. But IMO Turner is off the charts in terms of intangibles. I think he attacks the game on and off the court in the way of a Kobe or Bird- and that is rare. I believe Turner will squeeze every last bit of production out of his talent, and that is what put him over the top on my draft board. Because the the most gifted player does not always turn out to be the best (unless their names are Wilt or MJ.)

Turner at 6′7 will still have a size advantage against most NBA SG’s, especially if he plays next to a bigger SF like Iguodala or Young. I believe Turner is the type of smart player who will master certain shots and his floor game will allow him to get the ball to those spots where he can score. Very Kobe-like in that regard also very Rip-like.

But Turner’s lack of elite athleticism won’t give him the luxury to freelance and still score like MJ, DWade or Kobe can. So he likely will not be a top 5 NBA player. But looking at a list of prior #2 overall picks, I still believe Turner will be amongst the top 5 players taken at #2 in the last 20+ years.

Also, the fact is that most years there will be one or more players taken after pick #2 that turn out to be better players than the #2 overall guy. That is just a reality that goes with drafting, since draft picks are educated guesses. You have to make the right pick at the time, with the information available.
 
So IMO, if Turner ends up a near All-Star for the next 10 years but Cousins or Favors ends up a All-Star I won’t be angry.

by tk76 on Jun 23, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

let us pray…………………..lol

by mothergoose on Jun 23, 2010 2:45 PM PDT reply actions  

OKC just moved up to 18 by taking Daquan Cook back and giving up the 32 pick.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 23, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

if only the sixers had their second rounder to spare…

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 23, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

A nd were willing to take on salary instead of saving money this season

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

How many extra 1st rounders have OKC and Portland acquired over the last 4 years by wise use of cap space?

by tk76 on Jun 23, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incorrect – the correct answer is a googleplex (and yes that is a number)

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

i like how one of his arguments is that turner can’t be an all-star because bj mullens and goran suton aren’t – well thought out research going on

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 23, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Here’s the summary of the article:

I don’t find it implausible that Evan Turner could become an NBA All-Star. Again, I just haven’t seen the evidence that he is (or isn’t) NBA All-Star-caliber, and I’m going to stick to my guns and say that I don’t think he will become an All-Star.

I added the part in the parenthesis for thruthiness.

by yosoysean on Jun 23, 2010 3:36 PM PDT reply actions  

This was basically an entire article about how the Big Ten doesn’t have quality guards and hardly had anything to do with Turner at all.

by yosoysean on Jun 23, 2010 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Central League on Philaldelphias Main Line didn’t have much guard competition either.

I mean who the hell drafts Kobe Bean Bryant playing against such weak ass competition

by jemagee on Jun 23, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m in no way as smart as 98% of the people here, but even I could tell you this guy’s a moron when it was reduced to a few pieces of game tape, the Big 10 diatribes, and the fact that he qualifies it with wanting Favors.

Bias is bias.

by Dylan Marck on Jun 23, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

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