Favors, Cousins do battle in draft workout
Perhaps, as some have speculated, the battle for the second pick in the draft has already been decided. Former Ohio State wingman Evan Turner appears to be the presumptive favorite, an opinion I have my reasons for believing. That being said, doing your due diligence and being prepared for all possibilities is essential, and so was this workout of two heavyweight big men.
"You always have to plan for the unexpected. We don't know what is going to happen between now and draft day," new head coach Doug Collins said. "You always have to prepare yourself."
By the time the curtains opened for the media to have access to the workout, the one-on-one portion that featured Derrick Favors and DeMarcus Cousins squaring off against each other had concluded. The remaining time was spent on drills, from catch and shoot jumpers, to pick and pops, to post moves and transition sprints. If one had to judge -- and I don't think this is the setting or the sample size to really change an opinion off of -- Cousins won the matchup yesterday, being the more polished perimeter player and displaying better footwork. This probably shouldn't surprise many, at least not those who followed Cousins high school career where he showed off much more of his perimeter game than he did during his one year at Kentucky. Favors battled bouts of inconsistency with his jumpshot, both in his form and his results, at one point airballing two pick and pop jump shots in a sequence. That's not to say he didn't show offensive potential, but work clearly must be done to reach that point.
Thoughts on the value in the workout, Cousins going #2, Favors' reaction to being out of shape, the trade to bring in Spencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni for Samuel Dalembert, and its effect on the draft after the jump.
Collins favoring big men?
Rumor coming from the Chad Ford camp has been that Doug Collins prefers Derrick Favors. While Collins was very complementary towards both of the highly talented big men, he stopped short of saying he was targeting a big man.
"I've never really thought about that," Collins said when asked whether he would prefer to build a team around the frontcourt or backcourt. "I've said before, we have a lot of needs, so you're not going to get them all in one fell swoop. But if you can all of a sudden add a piece here and say 'you know what, we're pretty good at that spot now for the next 7, 8 years' [that's a start]".
Collins warned about the time it takes for young bigs to develop.
"The one thing I've always felt about young big guys is the intensity and the energy and the competitiveness of the game is so changed at this level," Collins explained. "I was talking to DeMarcus last night at dinner, and I said 'how many times have you played a high school where you played against a guy who you thought could even do anything against you?' He said none. And I said 'what about in college?' And he said, you know, a few. And I said 'well welcome to this world, you'll see it 82 times'. The one thing about younger guys is just understanding that concept. Because they're so talented sometimes that they become what I call victims of their own talent. The game is very easy for them."
Effect of the trade on the draft
Neither Collins nor Stefanski believe that this trade influences the direction they plan on going on draft night. When asked whether the trade increased the likelihood they'd look for a big man in the draft, Stefanski said he didn't see it that way.
"Not really [it doesn't change our draft strategy], because at the end of the day we'll get together and we'll pow-wow, and figure out who's the best guy, who's the best player, who can we come in and say we can pencil that guy into our lineup maybe for 7, 8, 9 years and we know they're going to be here and be good players", Collins explained.
Reasoning for the trade?
While Stefanski reiterated that the trade was made for basketball reasons, it was also obvious that Dalembert was not happy, and his departure was imminent. The only question was whether the Sixers would get anything for him before he left at the end of the year via free agency.
"People need a change of scenery sometimes," Stefanski explained. "Sam asked to be traded numerous times, his agent calling a lot to be traded, he felt a change of scenery was necessary. We tried to accomodate him, but because of the [trade] kicker, that was the big problem [in the past]."
Collins seems supportive of the change at center. "The one thing that you look at, our big guys now, every one of our big guys are skilled offensively. And they can all shoot. I think that's a great thing to be able to do. So now you've got 4 interchangable big guys," Collins argued. "We feel like [Hawes] fits into what we're trying to do, and he's a young player. He can shoot the ball, and we feel like we can throw the ball in the post and cut off of him, he's a very good passer."
Collins also believes this could change Elton Brand's role. Collins stated in the past he thought of playing Elton at center, and now believes he can return to a more traditional lineup. "I was thinking I might have to play [Elton] strictly as a 5 [center], because I just didn't think he and Sam [Dalembert] played well together, now I feel Elton can play with Hawes, I think he can play with Speights, so it change the dynamics of that."
While Collins seems supportive of the move, the Sixers and Kings were in talks long before he arrived. "We talked with Sacramento numerous times about Sam [last year], but the package for either side [wasn't good enough] and we couldn't come to a conclusion," Stefanski explained.
Is there enough rebounding?
"You have to rebound by committee. As I said before, we're not going to [make one move] and everything's going to go away," Collins said. "Can Elton Brand rebound the ball? Sure. Andre Iguodala's going to go back and rebound the ball, we've got to have our forwards rebounding, we've got to go back and do that as a team."
Collins liked the thought of the Sixers guards leading the fast break. "What I like about our team is we have guys who can rebound the ball who can turn and push the ball, and we can get right into the open court," Collins stated. "We're going to have guys who can run the wings, we're going to have guys who can all handle the ball."
Nocioni's ... tough
Both Collins and Stefanski were very enthused to have added a "tough" player like Andres Nocioni.
"You bring in Nocioni who is a tough, tough kid. The city of Philadelphia is going to like Nocioni because he puts it all on the floor every night," Stefanski explained.
Collins seemed even happier.
"One of the things I've talked about is adding toughness to this team," Collins said. "Nocioni's one of the toughest guys in the league, which I think is going to help us."
Now if he can just regain some of his form from Chicago and actually be productive.
Favors out of shape?
When asked for his reaction to the comments coming from the Minnesota workout that Favors was out of shape, Favors agreed. "I'm not in game shape, but I'm in enough shape that I can push through a workout. So I think [the comments were] just constructive criticism, just something that I need to work on," Favors said.
Cousins believes he can go #2
The media may not be giving Cousins much of a chance to be the Sixers pick next week, but he believes there's still a chance, particularly now. "When I saw the trade, that really opened my eyes [on a chance of going #2]," Cousins said. "It helped out a lot."
Value in the workout?
How much impact should these workouts have on the Sixers decision? Not much, according to Collins. "One workout like this does not change their body of work, what they do in school," Collins explained. "I just don't believe you bring them in for one workout and that necessarily turns your head one way or the other."
That's not to say there's no value. "I think you have to see them in person, I think you have to talk to them, get a feel for who they are as people," Collins added.
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good stuff
i think its clear were taking the Evan Turner, the big Earner. but in preparation for the unexpected, my preference is swinging toward cousins. i think he compares favorably to bynum, aka a legit center with big time lengths and potential with skills on the O end. and i feel the concerns about his attitude are overblown.
there is one fact about favors that interests me but is clearly not a big deal. in trying to find all the indicators of future success, we look for any little thing obviously. in this case its an award. the NBA Rookie of the Year award is best way to determine where the future of the league will be after the draft and a year of experience. it is odd looking at that list how they always work out, like there are almost no outliers. if u get it, ur gona be great. the only comparable award(s) before the draft are both the mcdonalds and jordan brand classic MVP awards. looking at the list of winners, there have been a fairly good amount of winners that translated their early success to NBA success. Mr. Favors swept both awards.
I am in agreement with you on Cousins. I can see him being similar to Zach Randolph. He’s similarly sized (except Cousins has more length, I believe), similarly skilled on offense and on the boards, have similar questions about athleticism on defense, and have similar questions about their heads.
Though Randolph will never be considered a top 10 or 20 player in the league, he’s almost a guaranteed 20 and 10 guy. Add that Cousins will actually get some blocks and you get an extremely useful player.
I think Favors clearly has the most upside out of Turner-Favors-Cousins, but the Sixers don’t seem ready to take a risk and/or wait for him to reach it. Honestly, I don’t blame them either. Turner’s going to be good right away, and has way more star power at this point — something the franchise desperately needs.
I’d be thrilled with either Turner or Favors, but I’d be pissed if Cousins was the pick at 2.
I definitely don’t want Cousins at pick 2. I wouldn’t complain if we somehow acquired a pick between 4 and 6 without giving up the two and come away with Cousins though.
Are you sure about that? If I remember correctly the #5 last year got traded for Randy Foye and Mike Miller. So if they really want Cousins maybe it will only cost them Thad and somebody else.
Good point, but the Wizards also thought they were contenders. We gotta find a similarly delusional team to trade with.
by Jordan Sams on Jun 20, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
the thought they were contenders and both foye and miller were expiring so that added a little value to them
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on Jun 20, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d do it in a heartbeat but I don’t think Minnesota does that at 4, and there’s not really a chance we make another trade with Sacramento.
by Michael Levin on Jun 20, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Many of argued before the lottery that this was a 5 man draft!
We heard before the lottery, the general consensus regarding this year’s draft has 5 impact players. With the Sixers slated to select either at the 6th or 7th slot, they were hopeful one of these players falls in their lap. Now with some good fortune in the lottery, the Sixers can decide which player they like most with the remaining 4. No matter who is selected, they will get an opportunity to get one of these players. It is a win, win situation for the franchise. I am greedy and would like two of the four, but that isn’t happening, just wishful thinking.
I don't think the Sixers need to select Cousins or Favors
But does everybody’s BS meter go to defcon 5 when Collins talks about “rebounding by committee.” Don’t BS a BS’er Collins, the team as currently constructed, before making any trades, even with Evan Turner, is a bottom 5 in the league defensive rebounding team.
“What I like about our team is we have guys who can rebound the ball who can turn and push the ball, and we can get right into the open court,”
I agree with Collins that you have the guys that can push the ball, but isn’t defensive rebounding a necessity to go on the fast break. All it takes is getting killed by a team on the offensive glass, and all of a sudden you can’t leak out on the fast break because you need all your guards to defensive rebound. If the Sixers take Turner, they need to address this and as they are capped out, and likely won’t spend the MLE since the Dalembert trade puts them under the tax, this is shaping up to be a long season.
I actually agree with you on this. We lost our best rebounder – the only one who could make up for the deficiencies of our front court. Be that as it may, I still think we’re selecting Turner and more trades are on the horizon. I think Thad and maybe Lou might be gone. Just a hunch.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
You’re going to trade the future MVP??!?!?
I am just hoping the expiring Willie Green is included. And/or the expiring Jason Kapono. But particularly Willie Green. Somehow, he will find a way to be the starting SG. He always does. He must be stopped.
Willie has naked pictures of ed snider.
It will be difficult to trade our MVP, but I just don’t see him living up to his true potential on such an inferior squad – when compared to his basketball brilliance, of course.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
Whiteside could be the answer to replace the Shotblocking, Rebounding Lost!
The Sixers appear to be selecting Evan Turner with the second pick in this year’s draft. He fills a need, but doesn’t help what we lost in trading away Samuel Dalembert:Shot Blocking Rebounding. There is a young Marcus Camby in this year’s draft, the shotblocker from Marshall. Very raw player, but has tremendous upside in the areas of need. The way I see it, the team has too many PF’s on the roster. Will both Speights & Young receive enough playing time with Brand still on the roster? In my opinion, one needs to be dealt. Dangle Thad or Speights to get our hands on Whiteside. I also heard a rumor this afternoon that would make Whiteside in play for the Sixers: Grainger & the #10 pick for Brand, Green & the #2 selection. I would make this deal and take Whiteside at #10.
Grainger & the #10 pick for Brand, Green & the #2 selection
It’s Gigglefest 2010 and nobody told me?!
by Michael Levin on Jun 20, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw that earlier and thought a [E.Davis/Granger/Hawes/Iggy/Holliday] lineup with some caproom might be nice but not as nice as our other option. But I just let out a little giggle!!
by deepsixersuede on Jun 20, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It is a far fetched rumor that doesn't make much sense for Indiana
When I first saw this trade rumor, I also had the same reaction. Why in the world would Indiana even consider such a deal? Very good for the Sixers, but this has about 99% chance from occuring. Maybe AI2 & #2 for Grainger & #10 seems more realistic.
Anyway, Evan Turner should be our selection and I am hopeful either Thad or Speights can land us another first round selection. Way too crowded at the 4 position!
It is a far fetched rumor that doesn’t make much sense for Indiana
It doesn’t make much sense for Philadlephia either
by jemagee on Jun 21, 2010 12:46 PM PDT reply actions

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