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An End of Something: The Dalembert Trade

Yesterday afternoon, the second-longest tenured athlete in Philadelphia was traded for a journeyman small forward and an underachieving '07 lottery pick. Drafted weeks after the Lakers put away Allen Iverson's Sixers in the 2001 NBA Finals, Slammin' Sammy has endured 9 years of boos, benchings, and futility along his way to one of the more interesting tenures in recent memory.  After the jump, take a look back at Sammy's career, as well as what this trade means for this franchise. Be warned -- it's long.

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There's no one over the course of my sports-watching career that has annoyed me more than Samuel Dalembert. Not Donovan McNabb and his worm-killing passes landing yards short of a receiver. Not Pat Burrell watching years of piped fastballs for strike 3. Not Eric Lindros continuing to find ways to concuss himself season after tormenting season. Samuel Davis Dalembert (who knew?) is the single most frustrating athlete of my lifetime. 

Coming out of Seton Hall as a freshman drafted 26th overall, the Haitian native drew comparisons to a young Dikembe Mutombo for his raw athleticism, shot-blocking ability, and unpolished offensive game.  After playing sparingly as a rookie, Sam was sidelined the '02-'03 season due to arthroscopic left knee surgery to repair two chondral defects. The next season, he shared a frontcourt with Kenny Thomas and Derrick Coleman, starting 53 games and closing out the last two months averaging a double-double.  Sam excited the home crowd with his high-flying dunks and statement-making blocks, but the Sixers suffered from Larry Brown's exit and ended the season 33-49.  After another promising year in '04-'05 under disciplinarian Jim O'Brien, Sam seemed to be well on his way towards becoming a top 5 NBA Center. Sure, he took some ugly shots, made the occasional awful pass, and seemed to get distracted easily on both ends.  But it was his third season, already on his 4th coach, and he hadn't started playing basketball until he was a sophomore in high school -- he was bound to put it together eventually. Right?

Not exactly.

On August 2, 2005, Billy King gift wrapped a 6-year contract worth $62 million on which Sam happily signed the dotted line. That proved both the undoing of King's time as GM (among other things) and the patience of Sixers fans tired of waiting for Dalembert to develop.  Year in and year out we would see the same mistakes over and over again. Samuel Dalembert and "maddeningly inconsistent" became inextricably linked to one another, and no amount of coaching changes (Brown-Ayers-Ford-O'Brien-Cheeks-DiLeo) could unlock the true potential of this kid. Around mid-season of the '08-'09 season, Sam started complaining about low playing time, claiming he deserved at least 30 minutes per night.  With three years remaining on his contract, erratic play, an attitude, and the emergence of rookie Marreese Speights, Sam was getting pushed out the door. There were some even debating a Dalembert for Eddy Curry swap.  The smiling kid from Port-Au-Prince was no longer the darling of Sixers fans.

In fact, Dalembert's demise followed the same path as the waning interest of professional basketball in Philadelphia.  The boom of the late 90's-early 00's was silent. Brown and Iverson broke up, the Van Horn/Harpring/Webber/Robinson experiments failed, defensive cornerstones like George Lynch, Aaron McKie and Eric Snow were long gone, Andre Miller demanded too much money for an out of shape point guard, Andre Iguodala was getting scapegoated as the problem with the franchise, and 7 coaches came and went. Samuel Dalembert remained, covered in debris from the collapse of the franchise, when tragedy struck.

On January 12th, 2010, hours after he beat the Hornets with a hook shot in the final moments of the game, an earthquake of colossal proportions shook Dalembert's native land, injuring, killing, and displacing millions of his brothers and sisters.  Somehow managing to visit Haiti in between games and get back in time for tip-off, Sam played some of his most inspired basketball of his career and lobbied his way back into the hearts of NBA fans everywhere. He went on to have the most consistent season of his career (his numbers are misleading) despite his poor relationship with Eddie Jordan. But the national memory is short, as the media moved onto other stories and America forgot about the wreckage and devastation that left millions homeless in Haiti. Samuel Dalembert was once again an inflated contract with a 15% trade kicker that nobody wanted to pick up.

Until Thursday afternoon.

People around here were beginning to recognize his value to the team, especially to the defense and rebounding, and discussions were being had just last night about how to sign Dalembert when his contract ran out.  But around 2:00pm EST, Chad Ford closed the book on Samuel Dalembert's decade in Philadelphia by use of a social networking site that was non-existent when Sam signed his rookie deal.

Scoop: Sixers agree to trade Dalembert to Kings for Nocioni and Hawes. Link coming shortly ...

And that was that.  On the breaking news thread, nobody was talking about how Sam always hedged too far on the pick and roll. Nobody brought up his terrible interior passing or lack of a polished post game. There wasn't anyone hoping we got Eddy Curry for him instead. Samuel was a cornerstone of this franchise for the greater part of the decade. And while this blog certainly isn't a sentimental one with teary goodbyes to every player that came through here, Sam's been through it all here, and it's certainly a shame we couldn't win a championship while he was around.  He's seen 64 other players come and go in his 9 years (I would know, I counted), and most of them weren't very good. 

But as the starting center, a defensive stalwart who's played in 354 straight games through injury, catastrophe, and poor coaching, Samuel Dalembert has been a rock.  He will be missed in more ways than one.

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What does this mean for the future of this team? To put it simply, a lot.  There are two draft-related scenarios (among a million others through trades) that come to mind upon reflection of this deal.  Before I get to that, let's look at the current roster as it stands today.


I chose Hawes over Speights because he's started 100+ games at center in the NBA, albeit for the lowly Kings, while Speights has just 3. There's going to be some more shakeups both before and after the Draft next week, so don't be married to this roster, but I'm sure that if you've read this far, you are not. Let's take a look at what could happen.

Scenario One: Draft Evan Turner, Remove Thad from Lineup Above
This is the most likely result. Go into next season with Hawes and Brand as your front court, and Igoudala and Turner as your wings. While the bigs would be exposed on the boards and down low, they would be supported by some magnificent defense out of the back court able to stick their man up and down the court and get into the passing lanes into transition. None of the front court players we have right now can run the floor particularly well, especially if Speights is still hitting the fridge at midnight, but we have 4-5 guys that are lethal in transition, and if Collins lets them play to their strengths, they should be able to get a bulk of their points from outlet passes and leak outs.

The second unit would be much improved from last year with the additions of Nocioni and Thad (who would play the 3/4 depending on matchup), especially in terms of outside shooting. The problem is that with Lou at the helm, there's nobody to pass to the shooters on the wings. If Doug handles the rotations well enough (would be a sight for sore eyes after last year), one of Jrue/Turner/Iguodala should be on the court at all times to facilitate the offense. With Lou and Speights, we have guys off the bench that can score in bunches, and Nocioni/Meeks is a defensive improvement over Kapono/Green.  The problem with this is that we have no defensive stopper to speak of to patrol the paint. While our three-point defense would surely improve, the interior D would be knee-bucklingly bad.

Scenario Two: Draft Derrick Favors, Start Him Immediately
It would be ugly. He wouldn't be a black hole offensively and he plays more under control than Dalembert, but he's also someone the opposition wouldn't have to worry about at all. Jason Smith would be demoted to waterboy and Brand-Favors-Speights-Hawes would form the front court. If it were me, I'd start Speights with Favors and let Brand and Hawes come off the bench, but I doubt that would happen. Thad would start at the 3 and only play a handful of minutes at the 4 all season. I suppose Nocioni could start, but I'd prefer his defense help the 2nd unit. While he's not a defensive sieve, he's worlds better than Thad at this point. Who starts between them dictates how soon Collins thinks the team can contend, and if Thad could be a part of that contender.

We'd get to see years of Holiday/Favors puns around Christmastime (Imagine Zumoff's head popping out of a Christmas tree: "Hey kids! Send your friends some Holiday Favors for the season -- its Guys Night at the Wach!"), so that's always a plus. Truth be told, they could be a phenomenal tandem if Favors puts an offensive game together. Or even if he doesn't, he'll get some Dwight Howard throw-downs by accident. I'm confident the kid's gonna be good, I just don't have faith in him becoming a go-to offensive post player. This move would indicate much more of a long-term project, although the Hawes-Speights-Favors future is pretty bright. We'd get another lotto pick next season and pick up a 2-guard then.  Unless we can swing a deal giving up Thad/Lou/Speights (with Hawes he may be expendable) and nab Paul George/Xavier Henry/James Anderson around 10-20. All of these contingencies and addenda (plural of addendum -- again, who knew?) fuel the fact that we are more than one piece away from contending now or even 4 years from now. 

As John mentioned begrudgingly, this could open the door for an Andre Iguodala trade, but I don't buy it, and I agree with it even less. I won't make this an Andre debate, but there is no chance there's any way we get equal value for him. The only way you trade Iguodala is if it gets rid of Brand, and nobody's doing that without the 2nd pick involved, or at all. Bite the bullet, assemble talent, then figure out what to do with it.

CONCLUSION: We are going to miss Samuel Dalembert plenty. It will certainly be odd without him in the lineup night in and night out, and I wish him tremendous success in Sacramento.  Defensively, there are moves that need to be made to shore up the back lines. I don't think this trade plays a huge role in the Turner/Favors debate, but it certainly shook me from my Draft Zone and I'm still not all that sure how I feel about it. Pray for either Speights or Hawes to learn some defense soon. If they don't, you can bank on Ed Stefanski gone. At the end of the day, this was a money move to get under the cap for this year, and that's depressing to think about on a team as far away as ours. Thanks, Mr. Snider.

For your sake and mine, I hope you didn't struggle too much reading that mess. It was somewhat stream of consciousness and I was half-watching the Lakers/Celtics game the whole time. One day we'll celebrate like that.

Go Sixers. We don't say that enough.

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Great stuff.

I don’t know too much about the current Sixers but I’m trying to get up to speed. I like Spreights and Iggy plus Thad. Brand has lost quite a lot ( I remember him when he started out on the Bulls) but he’s still better than about half the league’s starting PF’s. Jrue and Lou have quite an upside and I’m excited about watching them a lot this year.

There can only be one Noce!

by NoceOne on Jun 18, 2010 5:14 AM PDT reply actions  

I like...

…the scenario 1. I am in favour of the trade, as explained a couple of posts ago – in short: no potential (Sam ) traded for slightly higher potential (hawes) + a tough guy in Nocioni.
I prefer to see Turner picked and i would imagine that either Iggy, Thad or Marrese could become expendable for a defensive big man if needed.

by apfan on Jun 18, 2010 5:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep Thad

But by all means please get rid of Lou and SPeights, there selfish losers.

by JMagee'sDrunkDaddy on Jun 18, 2010 6:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Looks like someone is taking blogging a little too personally. This is just sad, sad, sad.

"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan

by jefu on Jun 22, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think this trade means Turner is without a doubt the pick and he and Iggy are gonna get a chance to succeed. Collins knows when your 3 best and most important pieces [Turner, Iggy and Elton] all operate midrange and in he has to put 2 shooters at the other spots to open up the lane. Sam + Elton turns Turner and Iggy away from their strengths.

Think outside the box, like Orlando who plays a little rebounding jump shooter [Lewis] at the p.f. spot; you have to put complimental pieces around your star. If Denver can get better defensively after moving Camby why can!t we do the same?

by deepsixersuede on Jun 18, 2010 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Lets not get too sentimental about Sam who let’s face it, was an overpaid underachieving player with great physical ability and no understanding of the game. Sam is a back-up Center on a good team in the NBA, but thinks he’s a starter. Reality or his performance doesn’t seem to affect his view of his relative skill.

Looking at Hawes, there’s no reason to think he can’t give the Sixers what Sam did. Their numbers are very similar, though I think Sam is a more physical presence. Hawes is a lot younger, and it takes some bigs time to develop the strength needed to bang inside, such as our own Speights.

I think it is likely that Collins will start the season with Hawes, and will presumably draft Favors, as it is clear that none of the current big men are top 5 players at the 4 or 5 spot. I can’t stress this enough, even if you think Turner is the better player. Collins is a smart enough basketball man to know that he doesn’t have dominant post player and that Favors or Cousins are his best shot at getting one this season.

With Hawes, they can take a little time to get Favors up to speed, which is desirable. Favors may be able to start right away and may have the physical tools ala Kareem or Moses, who also came into the NBA at a similar age, but it’s good to have a way to protect him and put him into situations where he can succeed.

I think, (hope is more like it) that Speights emerges as a viable Power Forward in the NBA. I still think that he can play like Amare Stoudamire on both ends of the floor. That’s not the best, but it ain’t that bad either. WIth a decent Center, you can get away with a Power Forward who isn’t a great defender.

Ultimately I suspect the starters will be Favors and Speights, with Hawes and Brand as the back-ups. With Favors and Speights you have two bigs who can run the floor, score in transition and in the half-court and provide spacing for the wings.

by RickoT on Jun 18, 2010 6:55 AM PDT reply actions  

There’s absolutely no reason to think that Hawes can give the Sixers what Sam did. He’s a pillowy soft defender and one of the worst rebounding centers in the NBA.

by zfg on Jun 18, 2010 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he’s young and may be able to get better. He may not, but he did score more points than Sam last season even though he got fewer rebounds.

Ultimately, like Sam I think he’s a back-up NBA Center.

Sam did so many bad things on the floor, mishandling balls, loosing entry passes out of bounds, that Hawes doesn’t have to be that good to be better overall! If he can catch an open pass and put it in the basket, that’s as good as Sam ever was. Spencer was too skinny to be an effective defender, and the Kings had no choice but to throw him out there. With some decent coaching and a well-defined role and a better defensive scheme, we may get more out of the Center spot this season than last.

In any case, in my proposed scenario, we get Favors and at some point he becomes your starter. The whole premise for this is that Hawes isn’t a starting Center and neither is Jason Smith, therefore Collins will insist on getting a solid big man.

by RickoT on Jun 18, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

He scored more points by taking more shots. His shoot percentages were actually much worse than Sam’s.

by zfg on Jun 18, 2010 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, but he’s young and may be able to get better.

Maybe on offense, but it is extremely rare for a player who has been in the league three years to increase his rebounding rate, he may increase his rebounds due to more minutes, but I think it’s set in stone that Spencer is not a good rebounder.

by Ebomb on Jun 18, 2010 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

But it’s okay because Favors


may have the physical tools ala Kareem or Moses

by Michael Levin on Jun 18, 2010 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Please hold onto that quote. It is me at my optimistic best.

It is a fact that some Centers were able to come into the NBA as teenagers out of High School and became very successful. I can’t remember one coming out early who didn’t start right away.

I think Favors is a better player than Darryl Dawkins was at the same age, and I hope he can be a Moses type player. The biggest thing with rookies is their ability to deal with the physical demands of playing against NBA talent over a season. Some kids are naturally bigger, and come into the league ready to compete, like LeBron. I don’t know about Favors, but we’ll find out soon.

The Sixers are taking a close look. If they don’t think that he or Cousins can play, you’ll get Turner.

by RickoT on Jun 18, 2010 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t worry Ricko, I have a book roughly double the size of the New Testament that contains all of your quotes since our relationship blossomed.

by Michael Levin on Jun 18, 2010 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was better than Michael Jordan at age 3… :)

Well maybe not- but you get the point. How many players that were better than Turner when he was a freshman are as good as him now?

by tk76 on Jun 18, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know about Favors

That’s the only thing I needed to read.

by yosoysean on Jun 18, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

he makes me scared of drafting favors

by killacaravagio on Jun 18, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

i dont know why, but looking at the roster now makes me think of the nets. Anways, hopefully we can pull of a good trade with hawes/nocioni and maybe lou or iggy and get turner. Who knows now what these dudes are thinking. Thanks for the post michael, good points.

by mothergoose on Jun 18, 2010 7:39 AM PDT reply actions  

Seriously. I’m beginning to think the FO was insulted that the Nets dared approach the record futility of 9-72, and want to make sure the Sixers have the record forever. Wow.

by dweebowitz on Jun 19, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sam played some of his best ball when he had the Haitian earthquake keeping him distraught and distracted. Maybe Sammy over thinks when he’s on the court and doesn’t have distractions. Whatever keeps Sammy from reaching a higher playing plateau is now Sacramento’s problem to solve.

by dionc9 on Jun 18, 2010 8:14 AM PDT reply actions  

Per 48 minutes Hawes rebounded on par with B.Lopez and better than Nene last year and per 48 minutes he blocked shots on par with Lopez and better than Nene and Horford last year. Would you guys take those 3 here as your starting center?

by deepsixersuede on Jun 18, 2010 8:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Percentage wise, Hawes was worse than M16.

by zfg on Jun 18, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, technically Speights is slightly above average DREB%-wise.

by Jordan Sams on Jun 18, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Spencer is not a good defender. He doesn’t have the strength to bang in the post or the athleticism to close out on perimeter bigs. Take a look at Synergy Sports possession numbers and he looks terrible.

by Ebomb on Jun 18, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

this move seems alot like a positioning trade to me...

I seems like they are opening up space for some sort of move. I almost expect Collins to bring in some undrafted bruiser, likes he’s done before in Detroit. Maybe a Ben Wallace type. In all though, I highly doubt they will go into the season without adding a quality center.
As far as Hawes goes, don’t underestimate what his shooting ability does to open up the middle. I think he’ll be excellent pairing with Turner and his talent to get into the lane. I’ve noticed with Turner, from most of his highlight videos, that when he drives, most of his teammates are camped out around the perimeter – leaving the paint wide open. You wouldn’t be able to have that type of floor spacing with Dalembert.
As far as defense goes…it’s another story. it’s a major downgrade for on the ball defense, sure. Rebounding will also suffer. However, Hawes’ averaged 1.2 blocks per game last year, compared to Sammy’s 1.8 per game. If you factor in Sammy’s goaltendings in the average game, it probably comes out to even.

by mopey on Jun 18, 2010 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Collins will have a 1/2 court offense that would give E.Jordan a wet dream. High picknrolls with Jrue and Turner with Hawes will be fun to watch. Especially picknpops. Early bulls, before Mike started filling it up , with p.g., s.g. and s.f. post ups and clearouts are a possibility. Can Spieghts and Hawes play the same role offensively?

by deepsixersuede on Jun 18, 2010 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Speights has a better post game (not saying much) and Hawes can pass. Speights does not.

by Michael Levin on Jun 18, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

“Speights can’t pass” is a bad rap. Who on the Sixers shoots a BETTER percentage that he should pass the ball too?

Jordan ran a play for him one time at the end of a game. He posted up too low and got trapped by 2 players and now everyone thinks he can’t pass.

That was the end of Jordan’s love affair with Speights.

by RickoT on Jun 18, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speights CAN pass, he just doesn’t like to.

by zfg on Jun 18, 2010 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Collins will have a 1/2 court offense that would give E.Jordan a wet dream

yeah, that’s what worries me. Stefanski made a move that would have perfectly suited Eddie Jordan…

by tk76 on Jun 18, 2010 9:29 AM PDT reply actions  

I get the feeling they are gonna take favors.

by mopey on Jun 18, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree

Would not impact the cap as much as signing a quality big. Surprised to read about the SD negatives. Kings see Sam as the shot blockin defensive savior. Hawes is a project. Skipped Vegas summer and it was downhill from there. Knees are suspect, does he pass the physical? Did the sixers need a 3pt shooting 7 footer? He does pass well. Noce is a solid role player, should fit in, but he needs an interlock installed.

by kman949 on Jun 18, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

if that’s real how does that leak?

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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 18, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re trying to trick everyone. It’s a lie. I seriously don’t know what to say.

Tinger

by Dalanel on Jun 18, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hawes isn't as good a defender as Dalembert for sure

but he’s better than advertised on that end. I actually like the pairing with he and Brand, presuming Brand plays like good Elton.

On offense, if given the chance Hawes will make a lot of guys better, assuming the offense is built around moving the ball around. There’s a chance, maybe not a huge one, but a chance Hawes could really end up being pretty good. Sacramento’s coaches weren’t interested in a passing oriented offense, if Doug Collins brings that and your team buy into it, you’ll be pleasantly surprised I think.

What we've got here is, failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

by Grasul on Jun 18, 2010 12:15 PM PDT reply actions  

There is the Gras I know. :)

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by pookeyguru on Jun 18, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we make another trade before the deadline

I know Hawes is an okay center, but I’d rather get a defensive center (someone like Perkins(not actually Perkins though)) because we have the post-up player in Brand and the fast scorers like Jrue Lou and Ev.

by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 18, 2010 2:22 PM PDT reply actions  

but who? and how?

DeAndre Jordan from the Clips? Pryzbilla from Portland?

I wouldnt mind taking a flier on Oden (if we only had to give up Speights or Thad or something like that).

But I just dont know whos out there. Darko as a MLE FA??

by shova on Jun 18, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get Oden or Pryzbilla from Portland since they have so many C’s, but both are coming off season-ending injuries which won’t be good for the Sixers’s fast pace.

by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 18, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

its sad that we are looking for players to start that worse than sd

by sd3 on Jun 18, 2010 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

yay we lost one of our few defensive players

hear the sarcasm in that comment. I don’t like this trade at all like you guys were saying earlier we better make another move because hawes is a white version on speights. Eddie jordan would have loved this team since it is only offense. Stupid trade since we just hired a defensive minded coach. If we don’t sure up the defense in another before the season everyone will realize ow much sammy actually meant to this teams defense fast break and rebounding

by sd3 on Jun 18, 2010 5:39 PM PDT reply actions  

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