BREAKING: Sixers trade Dalembert to Kings for Hawes and Nocioni
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 AM PDT
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h/t Jemagee
UPDATE 2:17: Chad's Article on ESPN.
Does this mean we're leaning more towards Favors or Turner? I really don't know, especially since Hawes is still young, I would think more towards Turner, but this may just throw a wrench in there somewhere. I think I like the deal, but two years of Nocioni's contract scares me a bit. Maybe this moves 'Dre to the 2 and Nocioni as the starting 3 who can shoot? I'm really just thinking out loud here. Holy crap.
UPDATE 2:27: I'm still not sure how I'm feeling. The early reactions of this are less than favorable because of Sam's expiring and Nocioni's 2nd year and third option. If Collins is intent on rebuilding from the ground up, then we may have our future center. But we may be setting up for trading Iguodala also. Need a lunch break to collect my thoughts. Be back later. Discuss.
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You will suffer indignity and pain you headline seeking tart :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:15 AM PDT reply actions
Gave you the h/t. I was gonna front page you but your post had some misspellings and everything so I just typed this quickly. I’m going nuts.
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
But my comments and thoughts on it are now deleted and i wanted them written :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I deleted it accidentally and for that I am eternally sorry.
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
You will be – don’t worry – might wanna re-think that 21st birthday trip to vegas, think the hangover, but directed by eli roth – just saying :D
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s a big ol’ smile. I’ll be sure to avoid Sacramento at all costs.
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t live in sacaramento – and vegas is only a 5 hour drive – just saying :D
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Chad Ford is an idiot and always has been
If they wanted to pick favors, doing this deal is STILL stupid because of nocioni’s god awful contract
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree.
Why would we draft Favors ( a young big man ) after trading for a SF in Nocioni and another young big man in Hawes?
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by joe_digiacomo on Jun 17, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Chad Ford’s always said this.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay so....
This is making no sense to me. Am I missing something? Why are we taking Nocioni’s contract on for the next 3 years instead of letting Sammy expire after this year?
"I make love to pressure." - Stephen Jackson
"My passion is more passionate than ever." - Greg Paulus
Nocioni’s contract is just two years — team option for the third.
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Sams was over this year
And he plays a more valuable position than Nocioni
And Hawes just isn’t that good
But is anyone surprised that if stefanski trades with petrie the sixers come out short?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Chapu is the most underrated 3/4 in the league.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s 7 feet tall – if he’s a 3 he’s a waste of breath
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Chapu plays like he's seven foot, but he's actually only listed at 6-7
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
See – now you’re just pissing me off cause you’re lying
You got it backwards
He’s listed as 7’1 and plays like he’s 6’7
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4288
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I love that you still think Hawes' nickname is Chapu!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A. I love that you are clueless
B. I love that when you are called on your lying you change the topiic
C. The only reason you started posting on a sixers blog is because of hawes – so it’s a good conclusion to assume you aren’t a sixers fan but a hawes fan
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOLZING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Really guys...?
Chapu = Nocioni…
Read what we have over at StR about this guy…
by caseycheesecake on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sigh – i was ignoring nocioni :)
My ‘player fan’ argument still holds
And besides, he let me vent over the stupid ness of the trade
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
man up
and apologize. .
the fact that you’re trying to legitimize your stupidity is ridiculous.
it takes a lot of audacity to come onto another team’s blog and tell a frequent commenter/poster to “man up.” It also takes a low-level of intelligence.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
In defense of STR...
We (and I stress “we”, as I’ve posted roughly ten times over there) stress the “guest-post etiquette” rule as much as any other SB Nation blog. Nobody, and I do mean NOBODY, worth their weight from Sactown Royalty would even consider traveling to Liberty Ballers with bad intent. For what it’s worth, I’ve never seen this idiot on our blog, and I imagine his posts would be met with as much disgust as they have over here.
That being said, I wish you guys in Philly the best regarding the Hawes trade. I considered him a letdown from day one, and although I couldn’t ever see him succeeding in Sacto, hopefully he’ll be able to flourish in Philly. We’re all kind of stoked here in CA right now, but beyond Aykis, it’d be hard to tell with the representation we’ve got posting over here. Keep it classy, Philly, and keep it Sunny (sorry, couldn’t help it).
by Signora Omicidi on Jun 17, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I appreciate your regards. On that note, enjoy Dalembert and his 90+ inch wingspan. On the defensive end, he’ll bring an intimidation factor the kings probably haven’t seen in a while. Offensively, just hope no one passes him the ball unless he’s in mid-air for a dunk.
"I admire his competitiveness. As much as I admire it, I thought that he was trying too hard."- Eddie Jordan
i agree
i takes very little intelligence. . .so yes. . i agree i am stupid and im arrogant and yes i have a lot of audacity and yes i will accept any criticism. . and yes as Signora says, i am an idiot. . .i graciously acknowledge any and ALL insults. . heck. . i will be the FIRST to admit any stupidity on ANYTHING. Im a total moron.
that being said. . it takes the SAME amount of intelligence to work out chapu is NOT hawes. . .
Sorry, you guys.
Andres nocioni’s nickname is really Chapu, after the tv character El Chapulin Colorado, a bumbling superhero who manages to solve the case and save the world despite himself.
“Noce” was the nickname given him by former Bulls coach Scott Skiles.
There can only be one Noce!
37.5
That is nocioni’s career 3 point percentage
and the ONLY reason i can see to make this trade
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:20 AM PDT reply actions
He’s a better player than he’s been given credit for even if his contract is ugly
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So is Sam Dalembert, at a much more important position of need for the sixers then a bench guy who shoots teh 3 but can’t defend, the sixers have enough guys who can’t defend on the bench
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Although Sam can’t do anything well that involves dribbling a basketball and shooting it into a hoop, he was an above average shot-blocker and rebounder. I just don’t see that in Hawes… but he’s on the younger side. One can only hope there’s room to grow.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
How long has hawes been in the league
has he grown defensively since he came into the league?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it. So it’s not really hope, it’s a pipe dream lol.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He'll have the occasional spectacular block
But thats about it.
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Nocioni is signed long term
Nocioni is a SF
Nocioni may be seen by the sixers brass as a ‘starter’ who is more ‘complimentary’ to Evan Turner
So in the worst case scenario, this is the precursor to dumping #9
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not a good one
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Trading Iguodala would put the icing on the cake of this wonderful offseason!
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually
I think trading LouWilliamsMVP would be the icing.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If we get a top 10 pick for Andre, well that might not be terrible.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It allows you to get rid of Sammy who did not want to be in Philly and still get a young player. Nocioni is also a good 7th man type player (I said good not great).
You know what else allows you to get rid of sam
THE END OF NEXT SEASON
Dear god people – use brains
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes the details change when we get the final story. But if I was the Sixers, my thinking would be that I traded a guy I might not have been able to or want to re-sign but with a hard to trade contract for backup center and an expiring next year. It wouldn’t affect my thinking about the draft too much, except it goes against the thinking that the Sixers are trying to get good right away since the deal should make them worse next year, at least before intangibles are factored in.
and an expiring next year
And if the sixers were thiking that – they’re morons
Dalembert expires next year
Nocioni expires the year after
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand that Nocioni expires a year later (next year is already after next season’s end). But it may be that Sam’s contract was too hard to trade as an expiring because of both it’s size and the trade kicker. So it’s plausible to me that Nocioni’s contract has future value as an expiring where Sam’s did not.
Next year is 2011
Next season ends in 2011
So no, next year is not already after next seasons end
His contract does not expire until the year 2012 at the earliest.
WHO CARES IF SAMS CONTRACT WAS HARD TO TRADE…JUST DONT TRADE IT THEN
THe closer to the deadline this year – the less his trade kicker costs – the more value he would have had as an expiring deal…
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
At this time next year Nocioni’s contract is referred to as an “expiring”. We both know that, so what’s the argument?
If it’s true that Sam’s kicker goes down right before the trade deadline then that was something I wasn’t aware of. Do you have a reference for that?
Yes – it’s the larry coon faq
what most people don’t care to realize or just ignore is that sam dalemberts trade kicker is a PERCENTAGE and not a fixed number, so the more games he plays in his last season the less salary he is owed and the less his trade kicker is
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Hawes Brand Speights, the new Sixers Frontcourt?
Don’t you have to agree with Chad Ford and say this move looks to signal Favors or Cousins. Adding Noc at the wing for 2 years, getting rid of the only legitimate post defender on the roster for Hawes who is not even an average defender. I suppose a subsequent deal getting rid of Iguodala or Young may change my opinion, but as of right now, this can’t be a good sign of sitting at #2 and taking Evan Turner.
No, I don’t have to agree with Chad Ford, cause mostly Chad Ford is an idiot…and I think he has less sources than sixerfan1976 ESPECIALLY when it comes to the sixers.
This is a stupid trade, if you want favors DRAFT FAVORS, he wasn’t going to start right away and sam expires after this year It’s asinine to say this signals favors since sam was already gone….they’ve just tired up their cap for ane xtra year
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I couldn’t agree with you more that this is a stupid trade for the Sixers. I have Washington Husky season tickets and am very familiar with Spencer after his 1 year at the UW and continuing to play on the west coast. Hawes is a good facilitator as a big man, but he’s too weak to guard the post and not ahtletic enough to guard stretch bigs. I don’t see the upside with him.
This trade makes the Sixers worse next year, which maybe is their goal as they thought they would be too good for another high pick with Dalembert Turner. I understand that Sam was already gone, but this current frontcourt is just god awful as of today. Something needs to be done and if you spend your big asset on Turner, your only other asset to improve the frontcourt is your 2011 Lottery Pick.
In conclusion, I don’t know what to think, I’m confused.
Maybe
Speights is learning how to play defense from the kids at his camp, and will start lol.
I think you have to look at the team either trying to move Nocioni right away, or Andre. I think inevitably one of them has to go.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure about Chad. His writing that Collins is high on Favors is what got my attention. The trade only makes sense if they are sure that Favors or Cousins can replace what Dalembert gave them in the middle. Because we know they don’t think Brand, Speights or Smith can do that, or Hawes.
Collins would not go into next season without a better Center than is currently on the roster.
Sam had to go, so it was an ok trade, and it freed up some money. Besides the Sixers weren’t going to get significantly better without an upgrade over Sam at the Center spot.
It may not be Favors or Cousins, however. Just as I said Collins wouldn’t go into the season without a better center, doesn’t mean he wants to depend on a 19yr. old.
So is Sam Dalembert
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Hello 76ers fans!
I’m happy Chapu has been traded to your team. The Sacramento Kings underutilized his talents, and appreciated younger players more than him.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
Hello 76ers. I hope that you enjoy your new aquisitions of Spencer and Noc.
Oh! BTW – I can’t really endorse chapuforyou. He burned his bridges over at StR.
Don't let what you cannot do interfere with what you can do.
-John Wooden
He's pretty funny at times though.
"So your a Yank? Thats ok, were all just people. People are all the same. But we like Canadians better." - Guy at the grocery store. "wow"
Hey, gusy take it easy on chapuforyou.
He’s here for a brand new start, just like Noce.
There can only be one Noce!
Sammy and Nocioni
Sammy gets paid double Nocioni, but for one less year. The free agent market for next year is nothing special so freeing up that money next year means little. We got under the luxury tax, got a good defender who can hit a jumper, while picking up a young athletic center who still has potential. I am not complaining. (Except I still hate Nocioni, I think it’s just his face)
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"My passion is more passionate than ever." - Greg Paulus
Easier ways to get under the luxury tax without burdening an alaredy crappy salary structure for an extra season
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
We will not get along.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
You won’t get along with anyone here – of that I’m sure
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Why's that?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a hunch
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a nice, reasonable dude. We'll get along fine.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure we won’t
You’re not a sixers fan – you’re a hawes fan – and hawes isn’t that good but you’ll keep telling us he is – bitching about how collins won’t give him a chance
I don’t like ‘player fans’
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Look up your nicknames dude. Or check out my avatar.
Nobody’s a Hawes fan.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
All show, no substance.
Just like Tyreke Evans!
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
20-5-5 isnt substance?
I call chucking threes and snarling while playing mediocre defense all show and no substance…curious, whats your definitions of all show no substance and how does tyreke of all people fit it?
huh? wha?
Dpeends if he does it efficiently or is monta ellis like in his play
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
overall hes efficient
but only bc he knows to do the things hes good at and not do the things hes not as good at. His perimeter game is inefficient but most his shots came at the rim last year, so he knows.
huh? wha?
by effin steve on Jun 19, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXraSkgssFk
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Avatar was ferngully with better speical effects, all style no substance
so no surprise you loved it
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
A film in which you can tell the plot from the first 15 minutes
And get so disgusted with it that you’re openly cheering for the supposed “villains” at the end is not a good movie.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I could tell the plot from the trailer which is why i didn’t see it.
I’m pretty sure the humans are supposed to be the villians from the beginning
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, but their framing as antagonists is done in an exceptionally heavy-handed and honestly moronic manner. The script is awful, the acting is bad, and the individual character motivations are coming out of a child’s playbook. Hence the quotations — they’re supposed to be the villains, but it’s hard to treat them as such when the film is bad at setting up the conflict.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
James Cameron heavy handed?
I’m shocked
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's worse than usual
I suppose it might be because of all the buzz that the film got, but it’s especially bad here.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Just waiting until HBO or Showtime get it
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang it. Ok, I gotta confess...
I’m a Noce fan. If you guys don’t want me posting here, it’s fine too…
There can only be one Noce!
I don’t like ‘player fans’
So you didn’t like a lot of Sixer fans from 1996-2006 eh?
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Just don’t tell us that Nocioni will be MVP.
I bet you can’t guess the person on here who thinks Lou Williams will be the MVP next year!! (Hint: rhymes with LouWilliamsMP3)
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like the thank Ed Stefanski for making my new avatar decision (and mood) so easy for me
FIRE THIS ASS HAT MPW
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
Wow, I do not like this at ALL.
Noc is decent and all – decent defender, gets under opponents’ skin, can shoot a little bit – but he’s no star. And Hawes is crap, especially defensively.
Sam, on the other hand, is an above-average rebounder and at worst a bordering-on-elite shot-blocker – a little boneheaded at times, but improving and a good defensive presence. And the contracts aren’t even close. And now we don’t have a decent defensive center.
Does Stefanski think that Iguodala, Jrue, Thad, and Nocioni can keep all the slashers out of the lane and that no opposing bigs are going to be a threat? We now have no interior or help defense. None. No shot-blockers. Fantastic. I hate this.
It wasn’t necessarily a bad idea to trade Sammy. But for a lot more than that.
But you get something for Sam. Is a 29 year-old Sam part of this team’s long term future?
by Jordan Sams on Jun 17, 2010 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Who cares if you don’t get BETTER
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Man Hawes showed flashes
But never consistent, awful defender, and soft as pudding. If Philly is as tough as you hear it is the guy is gonna get eaten alive.
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of the city couldn’t give a crap about the sixers
College ball is more popular
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
A few thoughts:
1. Does this get them under the luxury tax?
2. What does this mean for the draft?
3. Is this a quick fix, or part of re-building?
4. This hurts our defense badly, which might mean another top pick next year.
5. Are there more trades coming?
I have to gather myself before I form an opinion.
1. Probably – but trading willie green for nothing or lou williams for nothing to a team with cap accomplishes the same thing WITHOUT taking on a longer deal
2. Nothing probably
3. This is a disaster
4. Yes
5. If you think the sixers plan to start nocioni because he fits better with evan turner – then yes another trade might be coming.
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
>> 5. If you think the sixers plan to start nocioni because he fits better with evan turner – then yes another trade might be coming. <<
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGGGHHHH!!!
(much better)
good luck getting rid of Noc
we’ve been trying for awhile.
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Hey. Please give Noce a fair shake.
No need to poison the well and start off Sixers fans hating on Noce before he even gets here.
There can only be one Noce!
1. I think so; they’re shedding about $2.5M in salary.
2. Agree with John: likely little. I still think it’s Turner.
3. If it’s a quick fix, it’s not a good one: it doesn’t fix anything, and causes new problems. I’m not sure I see how it does anything for rebuilding, either, unless…
4. This turns out to be true.
5. You would have to think so – it looks like the beginning of gutting the team. Because this was such a terrible trade. Is 9 gone next? I hope not.
1. Yep— probably the main reason for doing it.
2. I think they still go Turner
3. It’s part of re-building, but it’s more than just this trade I’m sure.
4. Amen.
5. I would be suprised if there weren’t more trades, in which case I’d lobby for Stefanski’s canning.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
WOOOOOO FINALLY WE GET RID OF SAMMY!!!!!!!!!! YAYYYY
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:36 AM PDT reply actions
Strike 2.5
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
LETS GO BABY! Now that’s Sammy’s out we can grab TURNER and we’ll get Nocioni and Hawes who are aight but it’s ok cuz Turner is gonna do great stuff for us, and now we can afford CHRIS BOSH or we can wait til the trade deadline to get a big man like Shaq or someone! THIS IS GREAT :)
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:39 AM PDT reply actions
You need to be in summer school – your math is terrible
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I swear
I have yet to find some one with more sarcastic/entertaining comments than you. ;)
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I live to serve
Even if you do have americas dairyland in your avatar
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
That title was stolen by california
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I spent 4 years in madison, awesome city – but i liked the onion better when it was ‘local’ :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I live about an hour from Madison
I go there every so often…
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, this doesn't make sense.
This trade possibly brought the team under the luxury tax. It did not open the possibility of offering a max deal to current top free agent – especially not one who plays a position where we ALREADY have an expensive contract.
I do not believe this is a bad trade. Good trade, don’t know. I think Hawes maybe better than ya’ll are giving him credit. And, I still have faith in Collins that we are going the right direction.
by DeanH on Jun 17, 2010 11:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He doesn’t defend
One strength the sixers had was sam defending in the middl
now they don’t have that
And this whole ‘well collins is here so it must make sense’
Doug Collins has been out of the leag for YEARS and the presumption that he knows what the fuck he is doing and that this makes a stupid trade all better is baffling.
Stefanski went up against Petrie and lost, unsurprisingly
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
No
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Better at what? He can't defend, and we have a couple of decent offensive post players.
Certainly none who make Hawes a substantial improvement.
No, but I’ve seen youtube highlights
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Hawes isnt better
Than anyone is giving him credit for. And I wanted to draft him bad. Massive disappointment
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I have received confirmation on this deal.
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If you find the time, and care to, a little ‘synergy sports’ analysis of Hawes might make me feel better, or worse?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
After the draft, man. After the draft. I have no free time now.
I like Hawes a bit offensively, and really like him as an offensive fit for this team. I don’t like him defensively, and don’t really like what Nocioni has become at all. Hawes should help Brand get room on the offensive glass, open up driving lanes for Jrue/Turner/Iguodala/Lou, and play well off the pick and roll. The other end of the court really scares me (although neither Hawes nor Nocioni are terrible on the defensive glass).
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You can’t get to the rim if you can’t get past Jrue, Turner, and Iggy
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Having a shot blocker allows Jrue/Turner/Iguodala to press a lot more.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
So worse defensively but better offensively – that’s encouraging
Do you feel that maybe they think nocioni ‘fits’ better with turner than, say, iguodala?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
No. I think Nocioni was what you had to take to get this trade to work financially and from the Kings perspective.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t rule it out, but I don’t think that’s the immediate goal. I don’t think Nocioni has any real trade value (in fact, it may be negative).
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
WHich means Hawes was the target, which makes me sad
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I would’ve taken Jason Thompson over Hawes, from the Kings anyways.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you. I actually have seen Hawes get very hot from the outside. Defensively, hopefully DC can teach all the team to play defense this year!
You’re probably referring to when he played against the Sixers lol. I saw that game to. Is it just me or do players play exceptionally well against us? They make getting to the rim look so easy.
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching games isn’t the same as scouting players, unless of course you taped all the kings games you watched and ‘rewatched’ them to focus on him
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been told that this does not influence the Sixers draft plans whatsoever.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
So I’m guessing they’re not planning to trade Iguodala then.
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Based on this trade? No.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The FO's gotta know something more
You guys think this is ridiculous but I bet there is more to this trade than the office is sharing. I think it entered their head at some point that they’re trading their only player that can consistently rebound, so I doubt they just did this to get rid of sammy
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions
Who hacked his account?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, he’s back
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Chapu make 76ers a title contender?
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
wtf are u talking about. He’s not the kind of player that has a superstar impact.. TURNER and a TOUGH Big man makes us a title contender
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think you'll be surprised how much of an impact he'll have if he gets minutes.
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope the only impacting he does is on the seat cushion from the bench.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think your making any friends here...
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not really about making friends just spreading the good word of Chapu
"Oh, y ahora ¿quién podrá defenderme?" "¡Yo!"
by chapuforyou on Jun 17, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s gonna be the next Kieth Van Horn on the sixers
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I just laughed so hard
My sprite went thru my nose.
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by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Short answer: No.
Long answer: What world do you live in where Nocioni is enough to bump a team from mediocre (at best) to as good as the Celtics? Lebron wouldn’t make us title contenders at the moment.
If Collins is intent on rebuilding from the ground up, then we may have our future center. But we may be setting up for trading Iguodala also.
Why is that? Isn’t AI9 the one guy Collins is most excited to work with? He isn’t untouchable but he along with Holiday and Turner are the least unlikely to get traded.
Who is this “future center” you are referring to? The only promising center we have is Speights
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, if Hawes is our future center we’re in big trouble.
by Jordan Sams on Jun 17, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The sixers already are in big trouble – cause the gm is an idiot
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, because coaches and gms never say anything publicly that isn’t true for purpose of spin or mis driection
Anyone who thinks Hawes is the center of the future is making me sad
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is hopefully why they move Nocioni and Keep Andre.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at a comp so cant really participate to the degree i would like to but:
chris mannix claiming turner is still the favorite to be the 2nd pick
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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 17, 2010 12:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Evan Turner has also been ignoring the Wizards’s workout calls and his agent says Philly is the best fit for Turner
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Or, you know, he feels its a waste of time because every knows they’re taking John Wall
Washington is a better fit for Turner
They have cap room
they have better ownership
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
CSNPhilly.com also announced a content-sharing and cross-promotional partnership with local SB Nation sports blogs, among them TheGoodFight (Phillies), BroadStreetHockey (Flyers), LibertyBallers (Sixers) and BleedingGreenNation (Eagles).
So since csnphlly.com is owned by comcast who owns the sixers – does that mean we have to not say things when they do really stupid things?
For years I thought I would savor the day Sam Dalembert left the sixers, leave it to stefanski to pull a billy king like rabbit out of his arse – dead – and brown when it used to be white
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Unsurprising you have no idea what the first amendment does and does not apply to – let alone the concept of someone lamely trying to make a funny
You obviously are a product of the philadelphia public schools and the poster child for why they should be closed down
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
At least you don't have a politician owning your team.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d rather have a single owner than a corporation
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the fellows at Peachtree hoops would agree.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
This will not change our approach, at least negatively. We should get more access to the team, however.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Including that i’ll be at tomorrow’s workout.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
What’s the point? Is there any chance we don’t pick Turner at this point? Especially after this trade I don’t see why they would pick Cousins or Favors
by LouWilliamsMVP on Jun 17, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t expect anything on the court to influence the sixers (either Favors vs Turner or Favors vs Cousins). The interviews are of the most relevance.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
i’m ok with this deal if it means we trade ’dre but who do we get for him that will make this team any better this year?
No one who the sixers can realistically obtain for andre iguodala makes the team better
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I for one am holding out for the Iguodala for Dwight Howard trade.
I mean, that’s realistic right? It’s at least as realistic as expecting us to be competitive with Hawes as our center.
by NOLACuse on Jun 17, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is a good trade for both sides. First off for the sixers, it spreads the floor a lot more now with nocioni’s shooting skills. This will give Hawes a chance to show his post game. The kid Hawes has skills. It also adds good depth to the sixers bench now since we have now a solid PF in Brand or SF/PF Young. I believe this leaves the sixers choosing turner. Turner will already receive stiff competition for the SG spot with Iggy. On the contrary, i could also see us getting favors now because with the addition of nocioni’s shooting, he would have a chance to develop under brand and would have more room to work with in the paint. For the kings, it gives an expiring contract which helps them landing a Yao Ming type possibly in next years free agency. Tyreke will be amazing and I could see the kings being a legit team in the next 5 years.
You think you're going to hate having Noc
Trust me, you’ll hate Chapuforyou even more. Trust me. After years of listening to him sing about how Noc is a misunderstood all star, ban him now and save yourselves the future grief.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
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by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
does he just make a life goal to spread the word of andres nocioni? if he’s serious that’s psychotic. if its a joke, bravo. i commend the commitment to a joke.
by TheGrizz on Jun 17, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We have a poster who believes louis williams will be the MVP of the league next year
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
We thought for a long time it was a running joke or something
But he’s a huge fan, and seriously thinks Noc is God’s gift to the USA. The humor rubs thin quickly.
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he of the same nationality? It would make some sense (irratioanlly) if they are.
I rub people thin quickly too :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
They are both from Argentina. At Sactown we have people from all over the world: Greece, Korea, Spain, Russia, but this guy is over the top.,
"And I never said I don’t like KMart. I just don’t think the duo is good for the team. They are essentially two of the same player"
Sammyp831.
by SavageBeast on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sacramento Kings are the anti-sixers – they embrace the euro invasion (i know it’s not all europe – just saying) whereas the sixers only foreign player of any significance is canadian via haiti – and no on sacramento
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Its been hilarious though
LaMarcus Aldridge is the most over rated and over paid player in NBA. Tyreke Evans will be better than Brandon Roy this year.
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 17, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey SB. Please lay off chapuforyou for just one day. Come on. man.
We’re getting a bad rap here and it’s just our first day!
There can only be one Noce!
Why do you think you got a bad rep? Think about it..
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 18, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Must put more focus on numbers, must ignore rage building, anger towards stefanski growing, sigh…
1 week before the draft and stef deflates the anticipatory huzzah
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:31 PM PDT reply actions
I don’t know how I feel about this trade, haven’t seen enough of either player to have a legitimate opinion.
youtube it
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to pull a ricko but i looked at a few mixes, I like the fact Hawes can pass and his offensive game looks solid. Can we hide him defensively with Jrue, Turner and Andre, assuming he’s not traded? I’m going to miss Sammy’s shot blocking.
Can any team hide the fact that their PF and center (whomever is playing there) are doughy soft defensively and not a threat to block a shot?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely not, so that leads me to my next question I’m thinking, are there any realistic trades to acquire a shot blocking presence with solid defense, including but not limited to trading for a late lottery pick?
Who on the sixers do you feel currently has the cache to net a late lottery pick?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
To answer your question…
Iguodala (I hope not)
Jrue (See above)
Lou Williams (Someone must want an mvp)
by prideoux on Jun 17, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
See – that’s what i thought too – so – the answer to your question is probably no?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Rumor is that this trade gets the sixers under the luxury tax for the next season
If that’s truly true – and most likely the motivation behind it – i’d like all those folk who believed the sixers would ‘spend’ to get better to speak up now
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
The sixers save slightly more than 3 million dollars in 2010/11 salary (plus rumor is kings are paying samess kicker which is about 1.8 million right now)
This was a one year salary purge pure and simple, getting closer (or completely) under the tax for the 2010/11 season
All you folks who though the sixers were going to be willing to go over the tax to be better…the sixers just got worse, but they saved 3 million dollars
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:38 PM PDT reply actions
WTF?
I leave you people alone for a few measly hours to go to a meeting (on my vacation, yet) and this is what you do to me?
I can think of no even semi-logical reason for this. They spend all this time complaining about how there is no defense, so they get rid of their only consistent interior defender.
They are choked by the cap, so they get rid of a large expiring contract and take on a large non-expiring contract.
They are hurting for talent, so they add two players that couldn’t get on the floor for Sacramento, a team who was basically equally bad last year.
I’m afraid John has the only explanation that makes any sense. The Evil Empire told Stefanski to get under the tax or lose his job.
Wow.
Screw it. I am not going to any games this year. I was going to start bringing my son, but I think that would be classified as abuse.
I know, Comcast really cares about my showing up or not. But still.
I can think of no even semi-logical reason for this. They spend all this time complaining about how there is no defense, so they get rid of their only consistent interior defender.
There is a semi logical reason for this
3 million dollar in salary savings for the 2010/11 season, probably now under the luxury tax.
Thus putting the kibosh on all the BS about being willing to spend in my opinion
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
they’re thinking beyond this year. Dalembert wasn’t in their long term plans. They obviously value Hawes more than some here. They’ve actually been after him for a while.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That is actually even MORE disconcerting than making hte move just to save 3 million dollars next season
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes isn’t a stiff with no school. And I think he’s below average defensively, but not terrible.
Nobody liked Dalembert until he was traded :)
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Not true, in case you missed it, I admitted that I had come around on dalembert and would like the sixers to make a run at giving him an extension (reasonable one) this off season…this is a bad trade for the short AND long term
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sammy wasn’t staying here unless they drastically overpaid. there was no reasonable extension. He wasn’t happy. He was gone after this year.
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Then let him walk
They would have been over the luxury tax by a little – but then been free and clear of the salary into 2011/2012, now they are stuck with 7 million (approx) for an extra year to get spencer hawes? Come on…you’re trying too hard to spin this as a positive – did the sixers hire you :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And added who? Theyre stuck in a bad cap position until Brands deal becomes and expiring. I agree this deal isnt a home run but its not a disaster either. Ending up with another lottery pick next year isnt the end of the world
Doesn’t matter about adding who – they put themselves in a worse cap position for 11/12 which probably means another ‘desperation’ move like this one to clear salary under the tax.
There were easier ways (i bet) to et under the tax this year WITHOUT taking on such a crappy contract
Find a team with cap space, give em a second round pick, trade them willie green – on look – that saves 3 million dollars
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree it puts them in a worse cap position. Nocioni is one year away from becoming an expiring deal that has value. Still, I agree that we could have possibly gotten a better young player or pick to take on a longer contract for Dalembert. Still, this has no long term effect on the franchise unless Hawes develops. Taking a step backwards for next season and giving Speights and Hawes a chance to show they can be a building block is not a terrible move.
Nocioni is one year away from becoming an expiring deal that has value.
You mean like trading an expiring contract for andres nocioni and spencer hawes just to save 3 million dollars.
POint is the sixers are tax conscious – and as far as i’m concerned this is a tax conscious move.
Thaddeus Young will have to have a decision made about his contract after next season and now the sixers have an extra 7 million (or so) committed that they have to deal with that they WOULDNT have to dal with if they just let sam walk – or held onto him longer and waited for free agency to play out (I bet you could have gotten a better deal after that)
The sixers save no money right now – they just pay it out at different times – with this deal but instead of shedding sam now – they shed half of sam this season and have to deal with half of sam the next off season -
It’s called a viscious circle – some might call it sisyphusian
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? They already have Hawes. Hawes = Jason Smith. A cottony-soft clumsy tall guy who shoots from the outside.
Hawes is much more skilled than Smith, and actually a better defensive rebounder (by far, Smith at 15.9 DRB% for his career, Hawes 19.6%), and not as bad defensively (although still below average).
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by Derek Bodner on Jun 17, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he better than Sam Defensively
Is he good enough defensively to compensate for the fact that Elton isn’t good
How good is sacramentos other centers that hawes couldn’t play more than 48% of the minutes this year (or was he just injured a lot – which would be awesome too)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Thompson is legit from what I’ve seen… which isn’t all too much.
by guitarmouse35 on Jun 17, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Jason Thompson at the 3 is laughable
He’s a 4 that can play the 5 in a pinch.
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He's a 4 with 3's ball handling.
But play the 3?? He’s 6’11".
by caseycheesecake on Jun 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
http://www.nba.com/sixers/video/2010/06/17/100617lockerroom-1350586/index.html
new evan turner interview… It seems like he thinks he will be a sixer
Is this the same one as is on the front page and has over 30 comments?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Just checking :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Nocinoi is also 31 in november, so the sixers got older too :)
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:08 PM PDT reply actions
Also don’t forget that if Noc decides to leave the NBA, we owe him nothing…right? Wasn’t there are article on Sactown Royalty saying he expressed something to that extent?
Buyouts apply to the salary cap
If a player is bought out he may TAKE less money but i believe his entire contract still counts against the cap?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
What i meant to say is:
there is no option to owe him “nothing”. Unless you count murder. But good luck getting past Chapu4U and NoceOne.
by caseycheesecake on Jun 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The money of the buyout would still be on the Sixers cap
So essentially you’d still have him on the cap and get no production for it.
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Sigh
So speights is being traded tomorrow for even less than sam was?
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
i think
he was threatening to leave because he knew that if he stayed with the kings it wouldve been awful.; our roster is filled with project sf’s te greene and casspi. so basically he knew he wasnt part of the long term rebuilding plan.
him saying he was going overseas just seemed like a ploy to get traded
just letting you know, you’ll have to get used to saying to yourself “why is he shooting that?”
The sixers have a lot of SFs too with athleticism
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Hawes
He’s a project who won’t do much for you defensively or on the boards, plus he has to learn a new system. Makes it pretty likely they will draft Favors or Cousins and go young.
All of which helps the Kings, because they have players who can score and need someone who can rebound and block shots. They’ll draft whoever Minnesota leaves between Johnson and Turner and then try to sign Joe Johnson or Rudy Gay.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Am I just stupid or does this deal not really make any sense?
I don’t see it as having any indication on who we are drafting.
I do see it as a possibility that Andre might get traded next.
And I don’t understand why they couldn’t do better for Sammy than this? I know he isn’t great, and is about as average as it gets, but he has an expiring deal, someone had to be able to do better than this?
Go Go Gadget Gagne
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5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
saves 3 million dollars in salary for 2010/11 – no luxury tax
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Thsi trade was all about $$$.
It got the Sixers under the tax, gets them a share of the tax, and can now sign players without worry. For those who say to trade players for nothing, which team is taking said players? This deal, while bad, lets the Sixers have flexibility of avoiding the tax. The GM must of realized such things and done the deal. As fans, we hate buisness decisions, but a corporation, not a person like Mark Cuban, own the Sixers. These trades have to bone, the stockhoders come first, not fans. No, i’m not hired by the Sixers, but understand: money talks.
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I can’t believe that Collins is willing to go into next season with Speights, Brand, Smith and Hawes.
There may be a trade of the draft pick for a big, or we may select Favors or Cousins. I’m not sure Collins would entrust the starting Center position to a 19 yr-old.
This can’t be all there is, so just be cool and see what happens. At least I know that the young bigs on the roster will get an opportunity to play.
Relatively cogent, Ricko. Congrats. I’m hoping there’s more but it feels like one of those times we’re just waiting for something to happen and it wont
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I was expecting a trade, i guess i shouldn’t be surprised stefanski got anally violated
I’ll go back to the ‘steve kerr lost his job and stefanski has not’ thing
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The NBA, where amazing happens.
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by Jacob Grinyer on Jun 17, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m so confused… again because of that statement.
I’m literally at a loss for words because somehow we managed to screw this up.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
When the sixers let larry brown walk, while still under contract, for no compensation, to the Detroit Pistons (everyone knew that’s where he was going), I believe a curse was placed on this franchise (and I don’t believe in curses), cause really, what the HELL have they done right since then?
Honestly, at this point, it doesn’t matter, 3 years from now WHOMEVER they choose at #2 would have been the wrong pick
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't argue there.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
THat actually suggest an interesting kind of blog post if someone wants to look into it
A sixers timeline of major decisions since and including larry brown – most of them turned out for shizit
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, we’re a bad team. Bad teams are founded on bad decisions. I don’t think there’s any sort of curse placed on this (or any) franchise
by Michael Levin on Jun 17, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
There is
and it requires the heart of three ed’s being cut out and fed to the statue of billy pen
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Word outta Minny...
is that Brand and the #2 pick are being traded to the Wolves for Ryan Hollins, a bag of Cool Ranch Doritos, and the #16 & #23 picks in this year’s draft.
Update...
David Kahn has indicated that it is a Family Size bag of Cool Ranch Doritos.
immediately pull the trigger to this trade.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Seriously, though...
Is this some sort of indicator of worse to come? Like trading the #2 for like Erick Dampier or something to “get a big body in here”?
What a freaking day. I spend pretty much an entire day of my vacation working, and this.
Another Sacramento Fan here
I’ll chime in with my thoughts on what you are getting back in this deal:
Andres Nocioni – the effort is never in question, but he regressed pretty significantly shooting the ball last year. His defense declined as well, and those woes were probably at least partially team-related. But it appears he may have lost a step, and has trouble keeping up with anyone in man defense. His shot selection last season was flat-out atrocious, but I sense he was trying to shoot himself out of his ongoing slump. If his shooting comes around, he’s probably still serviceable. While he has a few years left on his contract, it is a declining contract and the last year is a team option.
Spencer Hawes – he’s been a lightning rod for debate over the last few seasons at the Kings site. While you can’t teach 7-foot tall, you also can’t teach multiple knee surgeries at his age. Spencer came into the league with a nice outside shot and solid low post skills, but they haven’t yet translated on the court. This could be due to the continuous changeover in coaching staffs, but having a guy like Paul Westphal bring a steadying influence to the team didn’t prevent Spencer from regressing a bit. There are questions on Spencer’s work ethic – he was in Westphal’s doghouse for a short time and the organization wasn’t pleased with his decision to skip Vegas Summer League last year. A big question is whether he’ll be able to gain the size and strength to be an adequate low post defender in the league. He’s a very good passer out of the high post, and again – he’s a good outside shooter, but similar to Nocioni could never really find consistency. Spencer’s contract is up after this coming season, so your team will have a good chance to evaluate him without dishing out too much cash.
chapuforyou – depending on your point of view, chapu is either highly amusing (and harmless), or extremely annoying. He’s a bit of a legend over at StR, and was ultimately banned for going rabid one particular day. My guess is he was allowed to go outside without his helmet for an extended period of time, and his caretaker didn’t take away his computer for the night. My advice? He will NEVER break character, so don’t bother trying to get him to do so.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
yeah, but see the sixers drafted sean bradley so they know what to do with 7’ stiffs
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way
Spencer was in the doghouse last season for remarks he made in the local fishwrap about Westphal’s odd rotations (something a lot of people complained about). I felt he got singled out unfairly by the organization, since he wasn’t the only one who made the comments – our reigning Rookie of the Year was another culprit, but was not punished by the team, ostensibly because he apologized directly to Westphal for his comments.
I should also point out that the Kings organization, and their local radio drive-time talk show blowhard lackey, probably don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to who’s right and who’s wrong in these situations. They managed to sufficiently damage Kevin Martin’s reputation last season, from a hard-working, community oriented team guy into a potentially coach-killing leper that may or may not have triggered the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
Nocioni’s real crime has been his offseason demands to be traded both of the last two offseasons. I think Spencer’s just a fiery, opinionated guy who doesn’t take much crap from anyone, and feels he doesn’t need a lot of outside advice. I’ve always felt Spencer could channel that into being an incredible team leader, because he’s got a bit of an “F you” attitude and likes to win. But that stuff isn’t of much value without an on-court improvement.
"Matt Cain's better at this than I've ever been at anything in my life. He's better at this than you'll ever be, at anything. Matt Cain has a gift. He has a gift, and when you acknowledge that, then maybe we will have something to talk about."
Opinions on this being a domino effect that results in more trades? If so, any trades that are realistic that you would consider?
SInce winning any time soon isn’t a priority – find the best deal for iguodala and make it so you don’t waste the prime of his career
see you all in a few weeks
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by jemagee on Jun 17, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Anything that will remove as much salary as possible as quickly as possible, and then each season ticket holder (which I was actually thinking about being this year, God help me) is sent the equivalent to their ticket package price in Comcast stock, so we can at least benefit from the austerity measures.
Bring back Billy King, Ed once again makes a very questionable move!
The trade made this afternoon on paper looks absolutely terrible from the Sixer’s point of view. If you do not believe Dalembert iis a core player for the future, just let his contract expire at the end of the season, do not add additional years for two average players. Say what you want about Dalembert, but he was a very good rebounder & shot blocker, where his game will be sorely missed. The team has taken a huge step backwards today and it is time to run our GM out of Philly once and for all. All the excitement of a new Head Coach and having a premium draft pick went out of the window with this trade. I have absolutely no faith that Sixers Management will put a winning team onto the court next season or for the future.
You guys will enjoy Spencer
look at his per 36 minute numbers and you’ll see why. 3 years and absolutely no progression. Add to that his lack of desire to improve and you have a Hawesome combination. Have fun with him.
Oh, and thanks for taking ChapuforYou off our hands.
#vfettkefordraft
Just gotta say...
Anyone who thinks this trade will impact the sixers draft decision started drinking too early today.
Given that Samuel Dalembert was only signed for 1 more season, and further given that the FO does not have championship aspirations next season (let’s hope they don’t, right?), then taking the stance that Dalembert’s trade has anything to do with our draft strategy NECESSARILY means you think he would be signed after next season.
are you crazy?
Where is Pat Croce when you need him?
This stinks of corporate ownership. Let’s save some money this minute to the Comcast bottom line. There is no basketball sense to this. There isn’t even any real financial sense, since they’re stuck with Nocioni’s ridiculous contract for an extra year, stopping cap space from being cleared after this season. This is the sort of trade made only by a corporate financial analyst whose boss assigned him to find a way to get the stock price up a quarter point before the next shareholder’s meeting. Not grow the product revenue. Not operate more efficiently to cut long-term costs. Just show a one-time dramatic savings so the boss doesn’t get laid off after the quarterly meeting.
Normally, I’m all for corporations buying things. Especially when it goes wrong and they have to go to court. But sports teams need to be owned by slightly eccentric rich guys who give a crap about owning a team. You think Mark Cuban would have made this trade? You think that nutty Russian guy who bought the Nets would have? Or to mix sports, you think Jerry Jones would have? Say what you will about these guys, they live and die with the success of their teams. You think it doesn’t absolutely kill Mark Cuban that the Mavs didn’t win the championship?
You think Comcast would care less if the Sixers went 0-82? They would change the uniform to sell some more merchandise, run a fraking bobblehead promotion or something, and get on with raising my cable bill.
I gotta say again...
Do you really think this costs us that many wins? And if so, hasn’t there been a bit of a push for the Sixers to do just that to get another player in next year’s draft? And further if so, how many wins do you think it cost? All of a sudden Dalembert became quite a favorite around here. To be a little more rational, Nocioni’s contract isn’t that ridiculous, perhaps ill advised at the start, but we only get the last 2 years, so certainly not ridiculous for our purpolses. Spencer Hawes does have upside, and is 22 years old. He’s a heck of a lot better than J.Smith for reference. Samuel Dalembert has no role in the sixers future, and next year’s free agent class wasn’t going to make us contenders, and that is missing the any analysis that we’d be players for big names anyway. What is the big deal? With none of the hyperbole, this is not an unfair or nonsensical trade. We don’t know the alternatives, since we don’t work in the FO, but on its face this trade has reasonable risk opposite reasonable upside. Anyone who claims otherwise is silly.
Sorry, I disagree with you, so I must be silly. There is very little upside here, as I see it.
Is it a matter of loving Sam so much that I feel he was untouchable? No. Of course not. I am on record as being in favor of re-signing him to a reasonable contract next year, because I did like what he does bring to the table (interior defense, rebounding, shotblocking), those skills are in no way reproduced on the roster, and I felt he could be successful under the right coach, who would make him do what he does best.
It is instead a matter of receiving what I perceive to be little or no value for a large expiring contract. The team gets no useful skill sets added by the players obtained. The team gets no salary cap relief, in fact losing salary cap relief, because Nocioni’s contract lasts longer. If the front office had simply waited, I expect far more value could have been obtained for the contract.
And no one expects this team to contend, or even be good, next year. But what we, or at least I, do expect is that moves this year are to be made with the idea of making the team better at some point down the road, to be made with a strategy in mind. The only strategy I see here is corporate strategy. Don’t exceed the tax this season.
It is nonsensical because nothing of value was received in exchange for a valuable commodity. Sam is at least a serviceable player, and has useful skills, and a large expiring contract. He was traded for an upper-middle-class version of Jason Smith, and a lower-middle-class version of Jason Kapono. And Smith and Kapono are already on the roster. There was no need to duplicate their skills, and they don’t provide any financial advantage.
Basically, who cares about this year’s wins? But I do care about working toward a goal. This does nothing to work toward a goal, and squanders a potentially valuable asset.
should read "being silly", not "silly"
It is the hyperbole that is rampant throughout this thread that is silly. That this means we’re drafting Favors (it doesn’t), that this means corporate is dictating the moves (meh, for reasons listed below) that this means we’re trading Igoudala (again why does trading a player who had no role in your future dictate any other moves?).
At any rate, as to the corporate issue, I can’t speak specifically about basketball players, but if it’s like baseball, and I imagine it is for all kinds of logistical reasons, than Samuel Dalembert isn’t seeing a dime of money until the season starts. As such, there was no pressure at this point to make a move unless the sixers felt they were getting a package they liked back. You can disagree with the players recieved, but only a couple people, none of them posting here, have any idea what was available for trading SammyD.
I’d say that some people would disagree with your assessment of the value of the players received, and further to complain about that in a vacuum is just being hyper-reactive.
i prefer to sprain news btw mikey – breaking is so harsh
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by Tanner Steidel on Jun 17, 2010 11:10 PM PDT reply actions
first we hate sam and would give his contract away,
now we all think he’s dwight howard? yes sams defense was goood, but he is NEVER gonna get it/ at least hawes is younger. we need shooters, and both of these players can do that. hawes plays at the free throw line, opening up the middle of the d for penetration from ig, jrue, and turner. noic plays hard, which is more than can be said for many players on this team. I think the trade is ok, but we have to wait to see before slamming it. at least we got a 7’0’ with possibly some potential, and a hard worker in noc. we got players who can hit some shots. I think a team of jrue/AI/LouWill/meeks/thad/noc/Turner/Speights/Hawes/Brand/Smith/Kapano with collins as coach has potential to be very solid. now i just hope we can make a trade for another 1st round pick.
I can deal with this...
I’ve seen one too many Dalembert one on one plays at the three point line which end up in him taking a fade away 20 ft jumpshot and bricking
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