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Sixers' Draft Profiles: DeMarcus Cousins

#1 John Wall

#2 Evan Turner

#3 Derrick Favors

On to the most debated prospect on this blog, DeMarcus Cousins ...

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Scouting Reports

DX: 

Cousins dominated college, for the most part ...

A man amongst boys at the college level, Cousins' combination of size, length and strength is simply unparalleled at this level of competition. There are only a handful of players that can even match up with him from a physical standpoint, and outside of a couple of ho-hum performances against the strongest big men he's faced (UConn and North Carolina), he's completely destroyed the slew of largely mediocre post players he's been forced to deal with.

... partly because he's simply bigger than everyone else ...

Cousins can establish position deep in the post pretty much whenever he wants at the college level with his huge frame, huge and extremely soft hands, and incredible wingspan-- making him the perfect target to lob the ball inside the paint to.

... but he's surprisingly skilled with the ball.

Once he gets the ball where he wants it, Cousins is more than skilled enough to know what to do with it, showing quick feet, terrific footwork, excellent body control and fantastic touch to finish off plays. Often-times you'll see him creating his own shot by spinning off his man abruptly in impressive fashion, and then just using his terrific length to convert easily at the basket.

DeMarcus has something in common with Elton Brand and Marreese Speights. 

Somewhat of a black hole once he receives the ball inside the paint, Cousins is not what you would call a willing passer, even if he is capable of finding the open man.

He does some good things on defense ...

Defensively, Cousins is mostly a mixed bag at this point. On one hand he provides an incredible presence in the post with his terrific size, length and bulk, often not needing to do much more than just stand in the paint with his arms outstretched in order to help his team come up with a stop. He's pretty physical on top of that and appears to be putting in a solid effort in for the most part, making it extremely difficult for opposing big men to get shots off over the top of him, and coming up with a solid 3.4 blocks per-40 minutes pace adjusted in turn.

... and some bad.

... Cousins is not the most fundamentally sound player you'll find, which combined with his below average lateral quickness causes him to get exposed from time to time when being attacked off the dribble by quicker players he's forced to switch onto. He looks a bit lazy and/or not focused getting back on defense sometimes, something that caused him and Kentucky coach John Calipari to butt heads over on occasion early on in the season.

How would he fit in with the run n' gun Sixers?

Whichever franchise drafts him will likely need to live with his limitations on this end of the floor and commit to being more of a half-court oriented team, as it's unlikely that Cousins will get much lighter on his feet over the next few years.

Finally, the much-discussed "red flags":

His body language and overall temperament on the floor is often very poor, looking somewhat lazy and disinterested and at times downright selfish. He's clearly not the smartest guy you'll find on or off the court, and he already tends to react very poorly to different situations on the floor and lose his temper in concerning fashion.

Chad Ford:

Are his "red flags" the only thing stopping him from going number one?

Concerns about his so-so athletic ability and a history of temper issues on the court were the only things holding him back from being the No. 1 pick. Still look for him to go somewhere in the 3 to 5 range.

But how much will those red flags affect him on draft night?

More and more GMs are telling me that they'd likely overlook some of the concerns about his work ethic and temper on draft night.

There just aren't many NBA-ready big men who can score and rebound like Cousins can. The fact that many NBA guys believe Cousins can be a full-time center in the NBA is also helping his cause. With other big man prospects such as Derrick Favors and Ed Davis failing to live up to the high expectations they had coming into the season, Cousins is now looking like he's passing them on the board. It's no longer inconceivable that he could end up as the No. 2 pick. The only player (from a production standpoint) who has an argument to go ahead of him is Ohio State's Evan Turner. However, Cousins plays a more coveted position.

His skills have earned high praise from GMs.

"There isn't a better low-post scorer in college basketball right now," one GM said. "Pure talent he's a top-four pick. Factor in all of the question marks about him as a kid, I still think he goes lottery. Can you name 14 players you'd rather have even with the baggage?"

[snip]

"Even if the guy is going half-assed," another GM said, "he's still got more upside than most of the players in the draft."

Except for whoever said this ...

I continue to hear phrases like "He's a poor man's Derrick Coleman." Ouch

Bullets Forever:

What does our go-to shot specialist think of his form?

Speaking of shots, Cousins does have a fairly good mid-range game. He rarely brings it out, but the few times I've seen him shoot a jumper, he looked smooth. His jump shot is mechanically sound, with a good release and nice rotation on the ball. That's one of the reasons I think he can be a better free throw shooter.

Comparisons:

DX: Best case - Taller Al Jefferson

Worst case - Derrick Coleman/Eric Dampier

NBADraft.net - Eddy Curry/Derrick Coleman

YouTube:

DeMarcus entertaining a baby?

Ultimate DC mix

My take:

As most know, I'm not the biggest DeMarcus Cousins fan. I think he'll be a productive NBA player, and I think he'll put up big numbers, but I don't believe he'll ever develop into the type of player who can win a championship as a team's best or second best player. The Randolph/Coleman comparisons fit him well. Both are/were very talented, but other issues stopped them from becoming centerpieces on championship teams. His bad defense, questionable athleticism, black hole-mentality, and character issues all concern me. The Sixers will be successful if they play great defense and get out in transition. Drafting Cousins could hurt both philosophies. Adding a legitimate low-post threat sounds good in theory, but it didn't work with Elton Brand, and we already have Brand's replacement in Speights. That said, he shouldn't go lower than five, and if the Sixers stayed at six and Cousins somehow fell, I'd be thrilled to have him. 

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Anyone have a link to the article that compared Cousins production to other historically dominat bigs? IIRC his freshman year compared favorably to the likes of Shaq.

With his size and wingspan I do not think Coleman, Al Jefferson or Z-Bo are fair comparisons. He is not Shaq or Yao sized, but he projects to be bigger and stronger than most NBA centers. With his width and length I’d expect he will physically be in the range of Oden, Bynum and Howard. Not the athlete, bide more of a skilled wide-body.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 5:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I also think Bynum is a pretty good comparison.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Demarcus Cousins College Production completely dwarfed that of Andre Bynum…I mean seriously – Andrew Bynum accomplished NOTHING in college….NOT A THING

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither did Kobe or KG :)

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Even if its Favors or Cousins dropping to us at 6, we will still try to make an attempt to trade up for Turner.

by sixerfan1976 on May 5, 2010 5:40 AM PDT reply actions  

And what is it the sixers think they have to offer to get up to #2 to get one of the only two players closest to a sure thing in this draft.

Are they willing to give up Jrue?

Cause I don’t see anything on the roster to persuade anyone (including the Jazz) to trade #2 without, you know, creating a gaping hole on the roster.

Seriously, I’d like to know if the sixers realize that they have very little players with a trade value enough to get up to #2 even from six?

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure someone would love a future unrestricted #1 pick from such a fine organization as the Sixers.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I see, we’re offering insane things huh

Not for nothing, but props to the suns tonight

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one that would trade Iguodola and #6 to get to #2???

I just feel that Jrue and Turner is a backcourt that you can build the future around better.

by Howardmgm3 on May 5, 2010 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

You probably are

because that’s what they call ‘borrowing from paul to pay peter’

yes you get turner but you create a GAPING hole at another positioin with no one to fill it…you trade one gap for another

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on what the other piece coming back to match salary is, but I might.

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you get back an expiring and a future protected #1 I would probably do it.

I figure the team is 3 years away. That puts Iguodala at 29. He still could be a major piece of a contender, but I’m not against totally going young. A byproduct of this would likely be getting a high lottery pick next year, becasue the team will really struggle if they jettison Iguodala (and I presume Sam, since it would not make sense to keep him.)

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Your agument against this has always been that brand is still on the team…have you wavered on that?

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I think we talked about it a few weeks ago.

I’m pretty much resigned to the fact that the team won’t be going anywhere for the next 2-3 years. So might as well keep Brand until he is an expiring contract, because its not like we will get something positive for him before then.

So the question is how good will Iguodala be after age 28. I think he should still be worth his big contract, but I’m not averse to moving him for value. But trading Iguuodala moves them either farter away from winning, so it would have to be part of a deal that brings back a potentially better player. i include Turner in that group.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

“either farter” should read “even farther”… although the original is more entertaining in a Bevus and Butthead kind of way.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

So I am not alone afterall!! :))

My feelings are if they do this, the Sixers get the best player in the trade…Turner.
They would be in a position the next year to be back in the lottery.
They would be rebuilding one player at a time through the draft.
SImilar what OK City has been doing.

As TK said, doing this, Iguodola won’t be so young anymore by they time they contend….

And as Derek said, it also depend on who we get to balance salary….Either expiring contracts or very young decent players would work (more likely expirings…..(,

by Howardmgm3 on May 5, 2010 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

You’re alone
i’m alone
we’re all alone

get used to it

by jemagee on May 6, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Iguodala’s my favourite player on the roster. But yeah I’d trade him for the number #2 pick. I just don’t see the Sixer’s going any where, so if they are going to blow the team up, no one, including Jrue is untouchable. Would I include Jrue in a package for the number #2 pick, well no.

by briztoon on May 5, 2010 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They may try, but most years trading up to get #2 is almost impossible.

It has happened a few times when the draft is seen as weak (when the Sixers traded down from #2 to #7 – KVH for Thomas.)

Philadelphia traded Don MacLean, Michael Cage, Lucious Harris and Keith Van Horn (#2 pick) to New Jersey for Jim Jackson, Eric Montross, Tim Thomas (#7 pick), and Anthony Parker.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

It should have happened the year webber and hardaway were drafted

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

1997 was really weak after #1

1. San Antonio Tim Duncan Wake Forest
2. Philadelphia (a) Keith Van Horn Utah
3. Boston Chauncey Billups Colorado
4. Vancouver Antonio Daniels Bowling Green
5. Denver Tony Battie Texas Tech
6. Boston (from Dallas) Ron Mercer Kentucky
7. New Jersey (a) Tim Thomas Villanova
8. Golden State Adonal Foyle Colgate
9. Toronto Tracy McGrady Mount Zion Academy (HS)
10. Milwaukee (b) Danny Fortson Cincinnati

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if that qualifies as a really weak draft.

by Michael Levin on May 5, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Huge drop-off after #1. At the time neither Billups or TMac were seen as sure-fire prospects.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW, Parker was the #21 pick that year.

And we drafted Kebu Stewart in the 2nd round :)

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hasn’t John Wall been the #1 pick for about a year now?

People knew who cousins was right?

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 6:43 AM PDT reply actions  

Wall probably would’ve been the #1 last year. At least that’s what I read, because apparently he was eligible to come out last year?

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cousins reminds me of Rasheed in terms of potential and issues (but not style.) Both are gifted and talented, but neither project to be top level superstars. Both can either be a key part of a champion (Pistons) or a part of a problem squad (Jailblazers.)

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:47 AM PDT reply actions  

But I do think Cousins will be enough of an impact player that he will maintain a lot of value during his rookie contract. But once he gets big money he could become a negative value player if his issues catch up with him (or not.)

So unless their is a similar tier talent on the board (or trade), I think you have to draft him. Right now NBADraft.net has Cousins falling to the Sicers at #6 (Monroe at #5.)

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm, the latest NBADraft.net board has Cousins at #5 and Monroe at #6. And why are so many here down on Monroe? I’d certainly pick Monroe before I picked Al-Farouq Aminu if the Sixers aren’t blowing the team up.

by briztoon on May 5, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because various sites with credibility don’t htink monroe is a top 6 pick.

NBADraft.net is the least credible of the ‘3 major’ sites that project the draft – it’s well established that they change their picks frequently primarily to get more traffic

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I WOULD DRAFT COUSINS AND FEEL LIKE HE SHOULD BE A TOP 4 PICK. HIS TRADE VALUE DURING HIS ROOKIE CONTRACT SHOULD BE PRETTY DARN GOOD AS HE IS LIKELY TO MAKE AN EARLY IMPACT OFFENSIVELY AND ON THE GLASS.

by wannabgm on May 6, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A TEAM TRADED A PLAYER < 23 YEARS OLD WHO WAS PUTTING UP GREAT STATS?

by Derek Bodner on May 6, 2010 4:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

ONE BANANA
TWO BANANA
THREE BANANA
FOUR

by jemagee on May 6, 2010 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

what, can you speak up a bit louder

by tk76 on May 6, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe never…..just saying what I would do. I’m not sold on Cousins on defensive rotations/help defense. But with him excelling in other areas, I think his trade value during his rookie contract could help us package for an elite player that could maybe one day lead us to a championship.

After the big free agent signings of this upcoming offseason, I’m hoping one or two teams find themselves in a bad situation where they overspent and the star player is unhappy down the line.

by wannabgm on May 11, 2010 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

My feelings on Rasheed have always been that he has a severe case of ADHD and no one has bothered diagnosiing him, a little ritalin or adderall would do him some good

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Cousins has the defense of a (prime) sheed, I’d have virtually no reservations about drafting him.

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Does he have the skillset to play that defense?
Does he have the motivation?

I guess the question becomes – assuming things go to form – would the sixers draft cousins if they had the chance (1,2,3) cause it’s unlikely he’ll be at 6 (or lower)

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would say no and yes (in that order)

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you believe he has the motivation then the question becomes of ‘how good’ of a defender can he be?

And what will motivate him…i’d hate to have another speights type worker on the sixers hand

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he plays hard, on both ends. I don’t know enough about his practice habits/off the court to say any further.

I don’t think he has the lateral footspeed to be great, either when facing perimeter 4’s or on pick and rolls. And I don’t think he gets off the ground quick enough to be a dominant shotblocker.

That being said, his size and tremendous length should make him at least an average post defender.

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

But he is big enough to deny players good post position, and long enough to bother them. So I think he can be a very good low block defender and an excellent rebounder.

Probably below average (but not terrible) shot blocker. Definitely will struggle covering quicker guys on the perimeter- but he is a center, not a PF, so it sis not as big of an issue.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is he an NBA 4 or an NBA 5 i guess that’s the first question…if you feel he has to defend perimeters fours is that because you see him as a four or just because it might come up

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

So can he cover NBA 5’s is more of the question then :)

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Absolutely can cover 5’s. He will end up a solid 300 lbs and reasonably mobile for a center. Just not explosive. Has really long arms and I believe a 9’4" reach (as good as any center not named Shaq.) Good low center of gravity… Now if he puts on fat then that’s a different issue.

But centers do have to play the pick and roll and occasionally switch onto PF’s, so it is an issue. Just not an everyday one like it is for PF’s.

I see Cousins defensively as a bigger/long Perkins. neither are terribly quick or explosive. Perkins is strong fundamentally and works to deny position. It remains to be seen if Cousins will develop these skills.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

 IIf he can’t defend the P&R he fits in quite well on the sixers roster.

I still think even with issues he’s a 4/5 lock unless favors workouts suck

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

If they played him at the four with Sam at the 5, we’d suddenly have Lakers-length down low.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t we have the lakers length down low if they played speights at the 4 with sam at the 5

of course – length with out talent is shaun bradley

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine a 4/5 rotation of Sam, Speights and Cousins. Oh and Brand I guess.

Does Speights have the offensive/defensive game to play big minutes at the 4 spot with a shot blocker (Sam) or a wide body (Cousins)?

by briztoon on May 5, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the question about Cousins slipping disappeared when I read an article saying he had had tremendous wingspan/reach when measured at the Nike Hoops Summit.

If he was a short, wide guy then I could see tweener issues- but it sounds like he is a legit center in length as well as wt.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Would you take cousins or favors #3?

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know enough about Favors. I’d consider it.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wondering – cause if people don’t project him at 3 – it’s not like the sixers will have a chance to pick him cause he wouldn’t really slide past 5 in this draft so you 1,2,3 you pick wall turner favors, and 6/7/8/9 – cousins is gone :)

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

the balance for me has evened out a bit between favors and cousins, but I still go DeMarcus at 3.

by Michael Levin on May 5, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was saying their issues and overall talent level were similar. But their games are different. Sheed came in with more potential as a defender, but projected to be more of a PF.

Cousins should be an elite rebounder and be a legit center, but not a defensive force. He will fit well next to most quallity 4’s- whether they are stretch 4s or big 4’s.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cousins = Beast!

by DannyO on May 5, 2010 7:42 AM PDT reply actions  

No blue fur, and really not as smart

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously, so now i’m a tool of the congress to prevent bills from being passed…wow

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

More like Unseld

I don’t see any real interesting similarity of Cousins to Rasheed Wallace (they both like headbands??). I think he is upside comparison is more like a taller Wes Unseld. But Unseld had a) a lot of drive, b) spent a lot of his career playing alongside Elvin Hayes who had very complimentary talents, and c) played in an era with fewer great athletes as center. So Cousins could theoretically be a better player than Unseld but have a less exciting career.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 11:07 AM PDT reply actions  

The comparison between Sheed and Cousins is in regards to their red flags and personality questions. They are both hot-heads with some minor off the court issues. Both also entered the league with the chance to be a star but not true super-star level front-court player.

As I said before, skill sets are completely different.

But personality-wise, can you find a player more similar to Cousins? He is not lazy like Z-Bo. he is not a criminal or a bad teammate. But he is a hot-head who is at times difficult to coach.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t pretend to know enough about Cousins psychological makeup to make any comparison. It’s an objective fact about Sheed that his NBA career has been negatively affected by a lot of technical fouls and losing focus after calls went against him. I’m a little skeptical that those issues could have been predicted on the basis of his college or HS performance, and I’ve never heard that Sheed had any problems being coached by Dean Smith, who certainly ran a tight ship. So even if we are only talking about player psychology, I have a tough time seeing how a comparison to Sheed is going to help evaluate Cousins. The kind of objective facts about college prospects that seem somewhat useful for evaluating NBA potential are include: any history of criminal behavior, ability to improve skills from year to year, history of scholastic ineligibility, history of conditioning issues, history of leaving teams, history of fighting, etc. But some of these things are a only a little bit useful – e.g. Jerry Stackhouse, drafted just ahead of Sheed, was considered a choir boy coming out of college – he did have a long NBA career, but didn’t show a high rate of improvement, did some fighting with team mates, and was considered something of a black hole on offense.

What I’m trying to say is let’s just use whatever objective info there is about Cousins psyche and give it just the objective amount of weight it merits based on past predictive performance of similar factors.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sheed was well known to be a hot-head coming out of college. People knew it coming out of H.S.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t believe that there was objective info about Sheed coming out of college that would let one infer he would be a perennial leader in disqualifications at the NBA level or that he would prove to be uncoachable (which he wasn’t but which was a key issue you raised about Cousins).

Can we really say who were the biggest hot heads in past drafts and how that affected or didn’t their NBA careers? Was Kermit Washington a big hot head in college? I don’t think there really is a statistical frame for this kind of prediction, but go ahead and make your case if you disagree.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Out of curiosity, do you remember Sheed when he played H.S. at Simon Gratz? I’m pretty sure it was common knowledge that he was smart but very strong minded and temperamental. he benefited from being under some legendary coaches, but I’m pretty certain the book was out on him well before the NBA.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, he was described as temperamental, but I’m questioning the general predictive validity of those descriptions. You’re saying after the fact, as it were, “Aha, Sheed was described as temperamental and he fouled out a lot and got technicals in the NBA.” I’m saying, what about other guys that were called temperamental and didn’t behave that way in the NBA and guys that did behave that way and didn’t come with the rep? Iverson was known as temperamental too, and even famously went to jail for being involved in a fight. He didn’t foul out much though. It’s easy to weave stories with hindsight, but that doesn’t mean the theme objectively works as evidence.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not saying Cousins will work out better or worse than Sheed in terms of his personality and how it effects his game. I’m not even saying they have the exact same issues.

More talking about how these “red flags” that are neither criminal or lazy, just temperamental, might impact his draft status. Personality asside I see him as a notch above Turner and favors. But the issues could lead him to slide some because several bad teams (including the Sixers) could chose to pass on a guy who they are afraid to make the “face of the franchise.”

But my hunch for a while has been that Stefanki will actually make a move to get Cousins. And that he sees a combination of Holiday and Cousins as the right types of keystones for the team- especially with the gaping hole at center once Sam ins gone.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unsled seems like a good comparison in terms of strength and low center of gravity. But Unseld was short.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

And Unseld may have been the strongest player to ever have played. I can immagine him in one of those “World’s Strongest Man” competitions carrying a car.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right, I pointed out above that Cousins would be taller and that the guys he would be playing against at Center in the modern NBA will be on average a lot taller and more athletic than the guys that Unseld played against, and that Unseld benefited from being paired with the HOF Elvin Hayes at PF.

The real basis of comparison was not body type and positive, though those are points of similarity, but rather that the best attribute of both of them is their ability to react to the ball.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree.

And IMO Cousins would be the #2 pick if peopel were not questioning his character. Personally I have no idea how valid those concerns are- but they are the only thing holding back his status as a prospect. He was one of the most dominant college centers in a long time.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

For example, Cousins vs Oden per 40 min:

Oden:…….21.7 pts / 13.2 reb / 0.9 asst / 4.5 bls / 0.8 stls / 2.8 TO’s / 61.6%

Cousins:…25.8 pts / 16.8 reb / 1.7 asst / 3.0 bls / 1.7 stls / 3.3 TO’s / 56.5%

Similar standing reach. Oden more explosive but Cousins has a wide frame.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t Oden have way better defensive intangibles though?

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes. And Oden was seen as a clear #1 talent. A once every 5 years type of guy. But Cousins was more dominant IMO. His superior offense outweighed Oden’s superior defense, considering Oden was limited offensively to dunking.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

But Oden was projected to be a better NBA player, without question. As I said, seen to be a once or twice a decade type prospect.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

The important question though is how Cousins has and will fare against other players of comparable physical stature (size and speed) such as he would face in the NBA. Evaluating college big men prospects is tricky because the good ones are usually on a physically different scale than the guys they lined up against.

by izimbra on May 5, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. his lack of explosiveness will limit his upside.

But on the flipside, how many legit 300 pound centers (who are not fat and short) with skill and ability are there on this planet?

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cousins might not have guarded, been guarded by these guys the whole game, but the two most legit big men prospects he played against in college were Davis and Stanley Robinson. Here are the numbers in those two games (I watched the UNC game, not the UCONN):

Cousins: 19 minutes, 35%, 7.5 points, 7.5 rebounds, 0.5 blocks, 3.5 fouls
Davis/Robinson: 35 minutes, 9.5 points, 40% 9.5 rebounds, 2 blocks, 0.5 fouls

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Those guys are athletic PF’s at the NBA level. I’m not really sure that translates. If Cousins got to post them up (not against a zone) he would destroy them.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless you are saying Cousins will be a PF and routinely trying to cover those types of athletes.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

No, just seeing what he did against other NBA prospects. There’s not many NBA players who have the size to go head-to-head with Cousins.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s sort of my point. Combine that with skill and you have a top prospect who will be an impact player if other issues do not limit him.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s no doubt he’ll be an impact player. I’m not questioning that. I’m questioning whether his defense/work ethic/attitude will ever catch up.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know. Not sure I want him on the Sixers, especially starting next to Speights. But he is an interesting prospect, and I’d hate to pass on him for anything short of a star.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’ve come around. I originally had him 6 a month ago. Now he’s 4 for me. Only WTF rank ahead of him. I agree, passing on him for Aminu, Wes, etc. wouldn’t be smart.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

It will be very interesting to see what happens if the team ends up at #3 or #6.

There are some surprising choices they might make at those spots (like cousins over Favors or Monroe over Aminu), or they could trade down. Also, I could see Cousins jumping to #2 or slipping all the way down to #5.

NBAdraft.net had Cousins at #6 this morning, but then they regained a bit of their senses and moved him to #5.

by tk76 on May 5, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be so disappointed with Monroe.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I worry quite a bit about his game translating. No left hand (on posts or drives), no real perimeter jumper, questionable defense. Worth a risk at 8-10 but really a huge gamble at 6.

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant no off-hand. Yes, he’s left handed.

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I meant that more in a “I’m Ron Burgundy?” tone, if you didn’t catch it via the interwebs.

by Michael Levin on May 5, 2010 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was a slip-up. I’m just accustomed to saying left-hand without regard to what is actually his weak hand. Bad assumption. Point that he’s terribly inefficient going right

by Derek Bodner on May 5, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s nothing wrong with being left handed you hateful biased right handed bullies :)

by jemagee on May 5, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d pay an exorbitant sum to be left handed.

by Michael Levin on May 5, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

eh but that would mean you’d be like me and nobody wants that

by Tanner Steidel on May 5, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

you’re lefty?? oh man you just got a lot cooler in my book. Like Sinbad cool.

by Michael Levin on May 6, 2010 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

then you’d be 7 times more likely to die in an accident driving a stick shift

like me

by jemagee on May 6, 2010 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not the greatest athlete either. I think he’ll be a solid player, but I agree, 6 is way too high, and I don’t think he fits on the Sixers at all.

by Jordan Sams on May 5, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

6 is too high, but I’d love him at 12 for the Grizz pick (and their other first).

by Michael Levin on May 5, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

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