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BIG Board #26

So I'm up early because for whatever odd reason, my shoulder is killing me, and I figured what better way to ease the pain than rub some cocoa butter on my body and get to the next edition of the Big Board? That's right, there is no better way.

Hordon Gayward/Carry on my Gayward Son Good ol' Gordy rode the lightning of his Tournament success to #25, but it's now time to get some of these dudes off the list. So let's make it happen. Coming to the party will be Dook transfer and Memphis standout Elliot Williams.  With a very lackluster supporting cast in John Cal's first year away from the Tigers, EW shouldered (still hurts) a ton of the offensive load, and performed admirably. 

What surprised me the most about Elliot this season was his ball-handling and court vision. I saw him more as a DeMarcus Nelson type at Duke (before he transferred to Memphis to be with his ailing mother), but he put up 3.8 assists for a team he managed to keep out of the dregs of the C-USA.  Willie Kemp started at point, but in crucial situations it was up to Elliot to create for himself and his teammates. With this in mind, due to his increased handling, he did turn the ball over too much at 3 times a game, but when he goes back to his natural position, it shouldn't be an issue. He hit 1.8 three's per at a 37% clip, in addition to his SG-respectable 46% from the field.  One of the prettiest lefty jumpers in the nation, Elliot put it on display against Southern Miss in January to the tune of 8-12 from deep and 33 points.

Onto the bad news. Elliot has absolutely no right hand. None. It may as well be cut off because its just sagging there like an odd third breast.  In the conference tourney, when Memphis surprisingly had a shot to sneak in to the big dance with a couple wins, Tulsa's Ben Uzoh and Justin Hurtt shut Elliot completely down, denying his left hand and rendering him relatively ineffective. That's something he's definitely gonna need to work on if he's going to have any sort of consistency in the NBA. Also, his rebounding is far from spectacular, not having the lift or the strength to battle down low regularly. On defense, he's average but can get hurt by bigger guys taking him into the paint, although his length helps him recover a bit.

That being said, he's a high-character shooting guard with a jump shot and a better game than Willie Green and Jodie Meeks, so if we can pick up a late first/early second, he's a guy that could be worth smelling. And he wears a tight undershirt under his jersey -- what other criteria do you need? Vote on.

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Come on, you know you want to.....Just one vote.....It can't hurt.....
Gani Lawal - 6'8 - Georgia Tech - Junior
12 votes
Paul George - 6'7 - Fresno State - Sophomore
16 votes
Avery Bradley - 6'3 - Texas - Freshman
31 votes
Daniel Orton - 6'10 - Kentucky - Freshman
19 votes
Elliot Williams - 6'4 - Memphis - Sophomore
9 votes

87 votes | Poll has closed

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i think i’ve voted for paul george the last 5 or 6 big boards – maybe one of these somebody will agree with me

by Tanner Steidel on May 4, 2010 5:58 AM PDT reply actions  

I voted for Ringo John

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 7:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii see what you did there…

by Tanner Steidel on May 4, 2010 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

At least someone did – i was beginning to feel very old (and i hate those guys too)

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

If the Sixers do trade down, the could end up with pick #25 from Memphis as part of the deal.

-I don’t want them to trade down, but the most recent BS insider rumor from SF1976 says they will trade down if they can’t get one of the big names (he specifically said they were targeting Turner or trading back to get X Henry.) Memphis has picks 12/25/29

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 7:23 AM PDT reply actions  

Well if anyone is to be believed, henry is gone by 25

And if SF is to be believed it smells like they are targeting position instead of best player now doesn’t it? It’s not something I buy.

As far as I’m concerned, SF has lost all credibility recently…I think his source is no longer in the loops but wants to claim to be

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t give him much credence, but his posts are informed enough to be interesting.

Certainly Memphis seems the most probable trading partner. They are under the cap and have 3 #1 picks. I’d be happy to make a trade along the lines of:

Thad +#6

For Mayo + #12

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that something SF suggested is possible or just your fever dream.

I’d be happy to make that trade as well.

But then again, a trade where the sixers so badly rip off the other team seems unlikely doesn’t it?

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

His post was more troubling.

Basically said that the Sixers would look to trade for a “vet SG” unless they can draft Turner. And throwing in another contract might be involved.

The through of bringing on yet another horrible contract like ben Gordon or Hamilton sounds horrible.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

What what sounds horrible (to me) is the implication that they still seem to think that they are ‘one piece away’.

I’m surprised with all the coaching talk he has nothing on the coaches, you think any real source would have some info :)

Nothings been going right since the ryan howard deal – the city is now cursed again

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

As opposed to their prior model… that they are just a coach away.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did talk a bit about coaching search:]

SF1976:

Been told that Larry Brown is not a realistic possibility and Stefanski is probably safe for 2010 but was told to make changes to turn this franchise around.

Avery Johnson we like alot but internally the thought is if New Orleans offers their job to him..he is gone. Home town guy.
If we cant get Evan Turner in the draft…we may move the pick with a vet for an upgraded vet. We are targetting getting a pure SG, who can also defend, this offseason. We like Xavier Henry too…but can drop down to get him.
Mark Jackson is intriguing but I heard he would really have to wow us in his interview this week because he has never coached before. Jeff Van Gundy is really giving him a vote of confidence though for consideration.
Dwayne Casey is interested again and was told he would be brought back in when we get to the 2nd round of interviews. The fact that he was interviewed twice last year…they know what he can do and dont think they need to do a first interview with him again. The getting permission thing from Dallas will happen, its just a formality.
Not sure Thibodeau or the Spurs assistant are going to get interviews at this point.
I think collins will get a 2nd interview…..The wildcard in alot of this is New Orleans….they like Casey and Johnson alot….and I think whoever they DONT get will be a finalist here along with Collins. And which of the coaching canidates interviews with chicago now that they are firing DelNegro? Stay tuned….it will heat up this week.
No timetable on this but was told they have tentatively set a goal of having a new coach in place by the draft lottery and letting the coach be the one that attends the lottery. Thats just a goal not a deadline date. They wont rush this but its a realistic goal.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1003495&start=240#p23281976

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m banned, can’t even read it :)

At this point I just hope he’s wrong – Avery Johnson liked a lot? No mention of Sam Mithcell who publicly is the only candidate who said smart things about the sixers.

A team that still thinks it’s one player away and is eying this as a one position draft.

AWESOME

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

I turned this :

we may move the pick with a vet for an upgraded vet. We are targetting getting a pure SG, who can also defend, this offseason

Into:
Young + #6 for mayo + #12

But that is serious wishful thinking. More likely:

kapono+Thad +#6 for Ben Gordon

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty sure ben gordon makes a lot more than kapono and thad combined

That’s the kind of trade i can see happening.

Come on larry ellison – get it done – give me at least a second option

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

10.8M vs 6.6M + 3M.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Crap

when that trade happens i’m coming for you…

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll be watching out for the crazy guy in the Warriors jersey.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh come on

You know you’d never see me coming until it was too late.

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

PS – Potassium Chloride

I know what it does and know where to get it

Just saying :)

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

trading pick 6 for 12 and 25 would be nice. That could get us Udoh/Whiteside/Monroe/Henry and maybe Paul George/Alabi/Bradley at 25. I would like that a great deal instead of just getting Aminu.

by Michael Levin on May 4, 2010 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think if they trade back from #6 to #12 they need more in return than #25. teams can buy ;late #1’s, so I don’t give that pick much value. I would consider trading down if we got a player in return- and Mayo should be the target. He probably is worth #6.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who knows? They were reportedly trying to trade Mayo at the deadline.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

For monta ellis who is perceived as a super star

not for a player going into his fourth year who looked like super crap this year and the #6 pick in s 5 player draft

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I do think the players you mentioned would bring good value.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

So do I. I’m a fan of trading with Memphis one way or another. If the sixers got either Sanders, George, or Bradley at 25, then any one of those guys could be a steal at that pick in terms of upside. I think that both Whiteside and Henry might be a steal if they drop to 12. I’d also be ok with George at 12 if they are both off the board there.

If Memphis re-signs Gay and Brewer, I think they’d rather trade up for Aminu, than trade for Thad. And sadly, I think they’d rather part with Conley than Mayo. Conley only averaged 5.3 assists, is a little undersized, and they are asking Mayo to learn to play more at PG, Despite all of that, I think Conley is a decent player, but we obviously have no need for him. I also think he’s better at creating offense for himself than his teammates.

by wannabgm on May 4, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Question:

Is there one move the Sixers could make this summer that leads you to turn them off next season?… meaning you would no longer regularly watch the games.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 9:30 AM PDT reply actions  

Well I didn’t buy NBA league pass this year so paying attention might change.

It would involve trading Andre Iguodala for scrap garbage while still holding on to Elton Brands BS contract

I’m not sure about the coach hire

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d probably say things like that in the heat of the moment, but don’t think I could just stop.

The scenario that would make me seriously consider it is, if they got the number one pick and took Turner over Wall because they had Jrue.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be pissed- but I certainly would watch Jrue/Turner/Iguodala.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

good point. jrue/turner/iguodala would be amazing to watch.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is going to sound crazy to some of you, but I am done with the experiment of starting Thad and Iggy at the 2/3. For two straight seasons, they tried that and failed(albeit with poor coaching). If they start the season with that combo a 3rd straight time, then I would watch 1-2 games and then probably turn off the tv in disgust until they made a lineup change and/or a trade.

I’d tune in once in a while to see Jrue play. Depending on who they draft, I might tune in regularly for that also. But I am done with Iggy at the 2, and I am done with Thad at the 3. It’s time to move on from that dream.

by wannabgm on May 4, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

…it’s the first thing that comes to my mind in terms of things that might happen that would bother me. I think I’d also be disgusted if the Sixers draft Euro boy wonder Donatas.
I wouldn’t be happy with Collins, but I’d at least give him a chance.

by wannabgm on May 4, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

You either haven’t read this blog much or don’t retain information much – cause it wouldn’t sound crazy to most here and most gave up on it long ago.

The thing is – Thaddeus Young hasn’t shown anything to prove he’s a long term NBA starter – all he can do is score points -a nd not much else…

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t been on this board much. I posted somewhere else for the past 2 years that Thad and Iggy are a bad 2/3 combo. Initially i stirred up an angry mob. And some of them still to this day get angry with me and think that Thad could still be an elite SF. So I was expecting some of the same reaction here.

by wannabgm on May 4, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the 08-09 seasons, I literally stopped watching games and refused to start again until they finally took Thad out of the starting lineup at SF, and stopped trying to run the offense through Brand. It happened shortly before Cheeks was fired……but too little too late for him I guess. Thad can lead the team in scoring as an undersized PF with ease in the right offense…..but I have no interest in being the Golden state Warriors. Small ball wins games…..and sometimes the 1st roung of a playoff series in the right matchup….but it won’t win championships.

by wannabgm on May 4, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

the 08-09 seasons, I literally stopped watching games and refused to start again until they finally took Thad out of the starting lineup at SF, and stopped trying to run the offense through Brand. It happened shortly before Cheeks was fired……but too little too late for him I guess[/quote]

That starting lineup was the 2nd best +/- lineup we had in ‘08-’09.

by Derek Bodner on May 4, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shh….facts are silly

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Derek – do you know anything about sportsvisions hoopfx?

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Heard of it, can’t say I’ve done anything with it.

by Derek Bodner on May 4, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Know anyone who even has it – i was just perusing sportsvision the other day trying to find hitfx (or fieldfx) stuff or understand what the premium stuff hidden on mlb.com is and came up on it and wondered what it was :)

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

John knows how I feel about SF1976. I’ve been blogging for 2+ years, and he hasn’t even been remotely close during that time. Those quotes TK posted seem like he’s piggy-backing off all the articles/rumors and adding a little bit of his own twist.

Stefanski said they’d try to trade for a vet in his press conference, so it’s not like this is something new.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

He has been accurate in the past (the past being before i was permabanned from realgm which was longer ago than you’ve been blogging problaby) – but I’m beginning to think he lost his source or his source lost his connectoins and thus the source or SF is trying to pretend they still have influence when they don’t.

Used to be another guy with info, but it was obvious where the source worked for the sixers and when his source lost his job – he said he had no more insight.

I think SF had info in the past but no longer does….

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t doubt that he once had info.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep. I only find it interesting as a point of discussion. I don’t give what he says much credence- but at least it is almost always plausible and interesting.

by tk76 on May 4, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

Orton was my pick

I know he got no love at UK but I love his potential.

by JoshuaR on May 4, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

My prediction based purely on hype and stuff i’ve erad is that orton will be the ‘work out warrior’ who climbs up in the draft due to the fact that he was just stuck behind guys who were that much bettter at UK but he’s still good

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree. There’s already been some lottery buzz.

by Jordan Sams on May 4, 2010 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

We’re still waiting on Avery Johnson’s decision. Like I said earlier, if Johnson bolts to NO, then Collins would be our next choice.

by sixerfan1976 on May 4, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions  

No offense – but god willing i hope yo’re completely wrong and your source is making stuff up

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here’s hoping collins dances with the bulls againt his year and has the sixers move on to someone who has coached in this decade

by jemagee on May 4, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

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