Ford: Evan Turner's Official Athletic Testing Results
by Jordan Sams on May 26, 2010 4:18 PM PDT
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Wall's numbers were great: 39 inch vert, 10.84 lane agility, 3.14 3/4 sprint. Turner? 34.5 inch vert, 11.06 lane agility, 3.27 3/4 sprint
Comparing his numbers to past players after the jump ...
Here are some comparable max verticals for Turner's 34.5:
Wade - 35 inches
Iguodala - 34.5 inches
Jrue - 34 inches
Tyreke - 34 inches
Note: Turner should be fine with a 34-inch max vertical.
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Comparable lane agility to Turner's 11.06:
OJ Mayo - 11.04
Westbrook - 10.98
Redick - 10.94
Note: I'm not as excited about Turner's lane agility as I am his vertical, but he did fair better than both Roy (11.13) and Iguodala (11.17).
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Comparable sprint times to Turner's 3.27:
Caron Butler - 3.33
JJ Redick - 3.29
Brandon Roy - 3.27
Luke Jackson - 3.24
Note: Impressive isn't the word you would use to describe Turner's sprint time, but it's nothing to be too upset about.
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As expected, Turner wasn't the greatest athlete at the combine, but his results were right in line with the guy he's being compared to most - Brandon Roy. If he can continue to validate the Roy-comparison, he'll be just fine.
Thoughts? I'll have the full results posted as soon as Chad Ford posts them.
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Brandon Roy’s max vert was 40.5" so that is quite a big difference to Turner’s most cited comparable. Roy was a better athlete than he was given credit for.
I don’t think these numbers help Turner’s stock. Don’t know how much it hurts though.
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You had the screen shot earlier that said Turner’s no step vert was 34.5". This would mean his Max vert is the same as his no-step vert. Bizarre. This may be a typo on Ford as the only person close to such a figure in the DX database is Qyntel woods who had a 33.5 No step and a 34.5 max vertical.
I’m holding off comment until I see the actual numbers. Right now Ford’s data and the Data from the screenshot from NBA TV do not agree.
I’m sure we’ll get the real info soon enough.
The plot thickens...
This was posted at realgm by long time poster TheSixerFixer:
So I was watching the pre-draft workouts and I think they calcualted Turner’s no step vertical wrong.
After his jump, they said his max jump was 10’ 11"
So take that amount and subtract his reach and that gives you the vertical..right?
If that’s the case, it’s 10’ 11" minus 8’ 7.5" which is 27.5 inches and not the 34.5 like what people are posting.
Am I doing something wrong here? 27.5 seems a lot more realistic to me.
I don’t care about these digits… It’s a basketball, not track and field. Measure his bball IQ, that’s what will be impressive.
yes, because in the game of basketball, only bball IQ matters. There are also concrete methods of “measuring” it. In fact, you don’t even need to run to play effectively. Afterall, it’s not track and field. Back in the old days the players would just stand around and heave a ball in the air and hope for the best.
All of the measurements are on insider. Here is a link to a copy…
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1014630
Player – No step vert – Max vert – Bench press (185 lbs) – Lane agility – 3/4 court sprint
Solomon Alabi 22.5 26.0 10 13.2 3.68
Cole Aldrich 23.0 28.0 10 11.48 3.35
Aminu, Al-Farouq 27.0 33.5 13 11.29 3.3
James Anderson 30.0 35.5 14 11.86 3.19
Luke Babbitt 29.5 37.5 15 10.98 3.4
Eric Bledsoe -N-a -N-a 9 -N-a -N-a
Trevor Booker 31.0 36.0 22 11.15 3.1
Craig Brackins 26.0 35.0 6 11.65 3.39
Avery Bradley 31.5 37.5 2 11.47 3.14
Derrick Caracter 25.0 30.5 22 12.78 3.61
Sherron Collins 27.5 33.0 -N-a 12.31 3.24
DeMarcus Cousins 23.5 27.5 -N-a 11.4 3.55
Jordan Crawford 31.5 34.5 7 11.03 3.37
Ed Davis 31.0 36.0 -N-a 11.7 3.21
Devin Ebanks 23.5 32.0 6 11.69 3.44
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25
Keith Gallon 23.5 28.5 14 13.44 3.7
Charles Garcia 24.5 30.5 2 11.65 3.23
Paul George -N-a -N-a 4 -N-a -N-a
Luke Harangody 24.0 28.5 23 11.83 3.41
Manny Harris -N-a -N-a 11 -N-a -N-a
Lazar Hayward 31.0 36.0 15 10.87 3.31
Gordon Hayward 30.5 34.5 10 11.73 3.22
Xavier Henry 28.5 36.5 8 11.1 3.18
Darington Hobson 29.0 34.0 -N-a 11.68 3.25
James, Damion 29.0 33.0 13 10.89 3.2
Armon Johnson 31.5 38.5 18 11.25 3.19
Wesley Johnson 32.0 37.0 16 11.43 3.14
Dominique Jones 26.0 32.5 19 10.88 3.31
Jerome Jordan -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Sylven Landesberg 28.0 32.0 8 11.59 3.36
Gani Lawal 27.0 31.5 20 11.61 3.24
Greg Monroe 25.0 29.0 15 12.1 3.35
Daniel Orton 24.0 30.5 13 12.32 3.39
Artsiom Parakhouski 25.5 26.5 16 12.07 3.33
Patrick Patterson 28.5 33.5 17 11.14 3.25
Dexter Pittman -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Andy Rautins 23.5 30.5 8 11.27 3.49
Ryan Richards 25.0 28.5 4 11.33 3.37
Stanley Robinson -N-a 37.5 6 11.65 3.23
Larry Sanders 25.5 28.0 7 12.49 3.27
Jon Scheyer -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
Lance Stephenson 27.0 33.0 10 11.39 3.38
Mikhail Torrance 23.0 32.0 8 11.43 3.17
Evan Turner 27.5 34.5 9 11.06 3.27
Ekpe Udoh 31.0 33.5 10 11.15 3.29
Jarvis Varnado 29.5 32.5 3 11.61 3.37
Greivis Vasquez -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a -N-a
John Wall 30.0 39.0 -N-a 10.84 3.14
Willie Warren 23.0 31.5 10 11.21 3.5
Terrico White 31.0 40.0 10 11.38 3.15
Hassan Whiteside 27.0 31.5 12 11.83 3.54
Yeah, but if you take all measurements into account, it’s obvious we should draft Luke Babbitt at #2. :)
gettin jiggy with it?
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by Tanner Steidel on May 27, 2010 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
that cover is so illmatic that it’s stillmatic – whatever though, nastradamous says hip hop is dead and he’s the street’s disciple (at least it was written that he was) so not even god’s son can argue – who’s out now? i am…
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on May 28, 2010 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
The funny thing is that I added that apostrophe because I knew someone would make a Nas joke if I didn’t. I have underestimated you.
Condensed
Avery Bradley 31.5 37.5 2 11.47 3.14
DeMarcus Cousins 23.5 27.5 -N-a 11.4 3.55
Ed Davis 31.0 36.0 -N-a 11.7 3.21
Derrick Favors 31.5 35.5 14 11.74 3.25
Xavier Henry 28.5 36.5 8 11.1 3.18
Wesley Johnson 32.0 37.0 16 11.43 3.14
Gani Lawal 27.0 31.5 20 11.61 3.24
Greg Monroe 25.0 29.0 15 12.1 3.35
Daniel Orton 24.0 30.5 13 12.32 3.39
Patrick Patterson 28.5 33.5 17 11.14 3.25
Larry Sanders 25.5 28.0 7 12.49 3.27
Evan Turner 27.5 34.5 9 11.06 3.27
Ekpe Udoh 31.0 33.5 10 11.15 3.29
John Wall 30.0 39.0 -N-a 10.84 3.14
Hassan Whiteside 27.0 31.5 12 11.83 3.54
All these numbers confirm most of what I’ve either read about these players or witnessed with my own eye.
The only surprise for me was Cousins’ max vertical. I saw him finish on the break on a few occasions uncontested and thought that number would be higher for him.
And those numbers pretty much explain why Sanders isn’t a more highly valued draftee. Apparently his crazy long arms had a lot to do with his success at the College level. I bet his agent wishes he could have manufactured a reason for him to not attend the leaping/drills portion of the event.
And I’m glad to see that Henry is a better athlete than many have given him credit for. He probably doesn’t have ideal quickness/explosiveness on the perimeter, but it’s not like a lack of athleticism is going to be some sort of big problem for him on the NBA level. Add in his catch and shoot NBA 3 point range and seemingly solid work ethic, and I don’t see how he should slip past 10. If he does, then that means too many teams reached on taller/longer athletes. He’s not a franchise player, but he looks like someone who could maybe start for a contender. I think that’s why San Antonio is dying to draft him. He’d fit in nicely there. He’ll be off the board by then, though.
Neither would I. But there probably isn’t a single GM in the league who would do that right now. Henry has the natural offensive skills of a perimeter NBA swing man. Thad does not. Thad could score more PPG than Henry but he’d probably have to do it as an undersized PF….which is not ideal. And chances are, at SF Henry is probably less of a liability defensively on the perimeter than Thad.
Let’s say the Sixers end up trading with Minny for their 4th and 16th….hypothetical….I would have strong interest in either trading Thad plus the 16th to move up a few picks and get Henry, or I would have a strong interest in drafting either Paul George or Whiteside at 16. I’m doubting that Whiteside drops that far, or that I’d be able to move up to get Henry. So that means I probably end up with George. Does anyone know if he can defend the perimeter? at SG? at SF? I was not happy to see that he wasn’t measured on many of the drills at the combine.
What are the two bands around Turner’s legs, just below the knees in the photo? Are there any reports Turner has knee issues?
Last thing I want is for the Sixers the draft Ed O’bannon mark #2.
I’m no expert at staying on the latest reports….but just the presence of those bands alone really doesn’t mean anything. I can’t remember exactly what they do, but I think they just support/stabilize the joint a little. I wore them for awhile years ago back when my knees were a little sore when I was playing basketball. Turner might have just become accustomed to wearing them. I’d be more concerned if I saw a more extensive brace/wrap of some sort.
Yes. They take some stress off of your pes anserinus.
Thought I’d drop some latin to seem impressive… but its an area where you can get tendinitis but not really a big deal. Not part of the knee joint, more akin to tennis elbow.
the doctor is in the house!
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by Tanner Steidel on May 28, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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