Chad Ford Mock Draft 3.0: Favors over Turner?
Analysis: "I've heard various sources make pretty forceful arguments that three different players are second on the 76ers' board: Evan Turner, DeMarcus Cousins and Derrick Favors. At times, I've been persuaded by all three. But now it looks like the Sixers are leaning toward Favors, according to what I was told on Monday by a credible source familiar with coach Doug Collins' thinking.
Turner isn't a great fit next to Andre Iguodala. And while Cousins is a perfect fit in the middle, the team has some concerns about his on-court attitude. That leaves Favors, who has as much upside as any player in the draft.
His measurements out of Chicago are virtually identical to Dwight Howard's -- which means he should be just fine playing center. All of this can change once players undergo individual workouts and interviews, but from what I can gather, Favors has the lead if the Sixers decide to keep the pick." -- Chad Ford
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I’m so afraid of us picking one of the two (Favors, Turner) and the other being a superstar, while we get a bust. I’m not sold on either as being a sure thing. My mind is racing a mile a minute just thinking about it. Turner + Jru = Backcourt for years to come. Favors = legitimate low-post threat for Jru to look to, that is if they were to live up to their expectations. I just pray we make the right choice.
I don’t think there’s a wrong choice. They’re 2a/2b for me right now. I don’t think either one will be a bust. There’s just a chance one becomes a superstar, and the other one ends up a solid player/borderline all-star.
by Jordan Sams on May 26, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Any player from the draft can fail to live up to expectations. For instance, I would take Wall #1 but it’s not a certainty that he will turn out to simultaneously be a good scorer, a good distributor, and a good defender at the NBA level, and if he’s not at least 2/3 of those, then you probably don’t want him #1. However, I think of “a bust” as a player who shouldn’t eventually be an NBA starter, and IMO Wall, Turner,and Favors all have fairly low chance of being busts. By that criteria, Turner has the lowest chance of “bust” among the 3 since he is probably now ready to start somewhere, and Favors has the highest since he is only 18 and not as developed. But Turner has the lower chance of being a superstar since the other guys have some athletic advantages you can point to whereas Turner is roughly on a level playing field with other NBA 2 guards from an athletic POV, though he is demonstrably better at ball handling and passing than most of them. If Turner was quick enough to play defensive PG in the NBA (unfortunately he’s not) then he would have probably been the #1.
I would argue that his tremendous skill level helps to elevate him to being a potential superstar. Current Kobe, for instance, is no longer an overwhelming athlete, yet can still dominate due to his fundamental mastery and cold-blooded cunning.
by MojoPharoah on May 26, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Current Kobe is still more of a running and jumping athlete than Turner, besides having turned into a top shooter. If you think Brandon Roy is a superstar then I have no problem saying Turner could turn out to be better than Roy. But I also don’t think I could have looked at Roy coming out of college and predicted he would become the NBA version of himself.
I don’t know about that. Kobe really doesn’t use his athleticism that much. His game is mostly skill, guile and angles. When was the last time you saw him even dunk on someone in traffic? He readily admits that he really cannot do that much anymore.
I do think Turner will become a better Roy, though. And Roy is a guy who can put up numbers. I have no problem with saying that I can see Prime ET averaging 25-5-5 with plus defense. That’s a superstar to me.
by MojoPharoah on May 26, 2010 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no doubt that Kobe can still dunk better than Turner, and not much doubt that Kobe would win a race from one end of the court to the other if it mattered. Also, if theoretically Turner just drew the defensive attention that Kobe gets without actually taking any shots he would be a relative success for the Sixers.
Basically I just don’t think Kobe is a reasonable comparison at any stage of his career.
I definitely agree that averaging 25-5-5 would be great and I would take Turner if I believed that is the median expectation for him. But actually that is more like the best case for his offense, and the relevant question is what are the odds of him coming close to that for several seasons. I’d say about 20% chance. Presumably, you think the chance is a lot higher than that.
I also think that the NBA game is easier for premier wings then it used to be. The handcheck rule and the lack of great perimeter defenders combined with the better spacing allows those type of players who can get to their spots consistently to flourish.
Back in the day, you could’ve bumped them off their path and gotten away with it. But, as Obama said, the game is moving more toward a Finesse game, which favors skilled players like Roy & Turner. It also favors superfreaks like Prime AI, LeBron & Wade.
by MojoPharoah on May 26, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
that turner is surest thing, favors biggest-bust potential.
obviously we would rather have d.howard than b.roy, but i don’t htink we can afford to take any chances. go with turner- the sure good player
by ytylerdurden on May 27, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
This is not surprising. Franchise Wings from Pierce, Granger, Ginobli, to Kobe, can be found throughout the draft. Franchise Bigs almost unanimously come from Top 5 picks. If you think Favors could be Dwight Howard, and you think Turner could become Grant Hill, you probably use your lottery luck to roll the dice on a franchise Big that isn’t going to come unless you bottom out record wise as a team or hit some lottery luck again.
Find me a Kobe in this draft, I dare you
by Michael Levin on May 26, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Turner would be the closest thing, imo.
Besides, who would put Granger on the same list with Pierce, Ginobili and Kobe?
Anyway, of those three, the only reasons they fell that far were extenuating circumstances. Kobe scared everybody off pre-draft to go to the Lakers(including Calipari with the Nets). Ginobili was drafted before international scouting was in vogue by the organization that made it fashionable. And Pierce got passed on by Brown and company but still was top 10.
by MojoPharoah on May 26, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Granger a ton (more than Ginobili in fact), but he can’t measure up to Kobe or Pierce at this point in his young career
by Michael Levin on May 26, 2010 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Granger is okay, he strikes me a bit of that “Good player on a bad team” thing. I definitely like Manu way more. Manu sublimates his game for the team a great deal so that the team can flourish. But he is a stud, imo. That comes through when the team needs it.
by MojoPharoah on May 26, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Turner is definitely not a Kobe. Kobe is a generational player, you obviously get that and are poking fun at me. All I’m saying is you can win with Wings taken anywhere in the draft, you cannot win without a Top 5 big. Clearly you don’t have to be the team that drafts a Top 5 big, but every team left in the playoffs has one, sans Phoenix.
KG, Wallace
Gasol
Howard
You used to be able to roll the dice on high school bigs like Stoudemire and Bynum later in the first round, but now that that pipeline is shut off, it isn’t happening.
Of the 4 bigs you mentioned, only Howard is playing on the team that actually drafted them. Meanwhile, Pierce & Kobe are both on their original teams, and Carter is coming up short yet again(one of the reasons he’s moved around so much).
Of the 4 bigs you mentioned, only Howard is playing on the team that actually drafted them.
Very true, but KG and Gasol both lead their original teams to franchise records in wins as well as the deepest postseason runs both franchises have experienced to date. Additionally, if we look at Wallace who was traded to Portalnd after only 1 year, he too lead the Blazers to the WCF and deep playoff runs.
Which actually further proves my point: Impact bigs move around far more than Impact wings. The history of the game actually proves this
Just looking at the teams in the final four this year
Every single wing starter of the 4 playoff teams minus Pierce and Kobe were not drafted by the team they currently are playing on.
i think turners the better pick. id rather have the one closer to a sure thing
by killacaravagio on May 26, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions
Ford is telling tales, per usual.
Fact: Collins has publicly said that 2-guard is the biggest hole on the roster.
Fact: Collins has publicly stated that he thinks Turner will be a excellent NBA 2-guard.
Ladies & Gentlemen, sometimes 1+1 does equal 2.
If Collins would accept that Andre Iguoudala was a 2 guard, we wouldn’t be having these discussions. We have one of the best 2 guards in the NBA in Andre, and playing him there makes room for Thad Young at the 3 spot. Considering these are our two best players, shouldn’t they be on the floor at the same time? When the Sixers play big teams, who does Andre guard? he guards Kobe when they play LA- ‘cause he can’t guard Odom! He doesn’t guard Paul Pierce very often either. If you have an 18 yr-old with Dwight Howard’s size and good co-ordination you take him, especially if you need a Center.
Seriously how much better can the Sixers get if their front line is Dalembert, Brand, Speghts, Smith and Brezac? How do you feel about their chances against Garnett, Perkins, Wallace and Davis? or Gasol, Bynum and Odom? But if you add in a real go to scorer inside…….then you have the chance to get the Sixers relevant in the NBA again.
I don’t know who Brezac is, but we traded a fellow with a similar name at the end of last year.
by Michael Levin on May 27, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
and i cried for weeks
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by Tanner Steidel on May 27, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t count out Thad because he had a lousy season and a coach who made him play out of position. I think with Collins, Thad will be back to 15+ points.
Favors right now has decent size, and most 18 yr. olds add on a lot of weight as they get older, if not height. For that matter I expect Thad Young and Mareese Speights to grow heavier over the next few seasons.
At 6’10" he can play PF and against most teams could play some Center. He appears to be a quality big man.
For that matter I expect Thad Young and Mareese Speights to grow heavier over the next few seasons.
That’s why we need to put a lock on Speight’s fridge. He gets the munchies.
by tk76 on May 27, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You want Speights to get bigger, not fat, of course but muscle. As it is now, the biggest thing holding him back from being a solid post-up player is that he’s not strong enough to establish position.
As for Young, he’s not a good rebounder because he’s not strong enough to block out people. As his frame fills out, he’ll be able to do a much better job of battling for position. The same also goes for defense, you try stopping someone 50 lbs. heavier than you and defense wouldn’t be your favorite thing either!
Thad is a small forward at this point in his career, and because his game is speed, you probably don’t want him to become a power forward, adding on another few pounds. At SF, he’s more than big enough to defend any of them, and can do a decent job. Against someone like Glen Davis, forget it!
favors
im dont know a lot about favors. My thinking is that they should go with Turner. Nobody is a “sure” thing. If the sixers dont think turners a fit with iggy, why not trade down with the timberwolves, give them the two pick for turner, and then we get al jefferson and their pick. Then we could pick wesely johnson, a shooter. Hows that feel?
So because you don’t know a lot about Favors, you think we should go with Turner? That’s sound logic if I’ve ever heard it.
by Michael Levin on May 26, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as it’s not Cousins.
I like Favors he will obviously put on some more muscle in the NBA, he can block shots and looks like … right now a stronger defensive player over offensive but that can change.
I really like Turner though and the thought of having a legit 2 guard excites me more than anything. Note I’m not saying Turner is a legit 2 guard right now but he could be and if he really is taking 500 jumpers a day then we know he’s dedicated to being successful.
They call me The Professor.
1. You take the guy who is more likely to be a top flight superstar. That is the teams major need, regardless of position. that’s why you take Wall at #1 even though you have Jrue.
My impression is that Turner has a better shot at being that franchise superstar, while Favors will likely be more of an interior anchor. I see favors as becoming a poor mans Kemp which is very valuable to be sure. But to expect him to grow 2 inches and put on 50 pounds of muscle and become a freak like Howard is probably unreasonable. Although Favors projects to have more skill than Howard.
Don’t know why LB overstriked my post. maybe it was the hyperbole filter:
My impression is that Turner has a better shot at being that franchise superstar, while Favors will likely be more of an interior anchor. I see favors as becoming a poor mans Kemp
Yes, I see more Kemp than Howard. and Kemp didn’t get it done either.
I’ll take Turner and let DiLeo find me the next Ben Wallace/Kendrick Perkins in the next couple of years
He and Gary Payton won over 60 games with the Sonics during their peak season together, I would probably count that as getting it done.
My comp ceiling for Turner is MVP-Kobe(not the super athletic version but the cunning team-player version).
So, I’d rather have MVP-Kobe next to the Glove(not to mention LeBron-Lite in Iguodala) with an athletic bruiser to be named later then Payton, Kemp and LeBron-Lite.
How can you compare turner to Kobe? Do you see how Kobe is able to get his shot off in anyone’s face? It takes a special player to be able to hit fadeaways like that. I’m sorry but that’s like saying a player’s ceiling is MJ. You just can’t say that a player that’s going to be drafted number 2-4 has the ability to become a player like Kobe. If anyone else thought that he’d be the number one pick immediately.
no one knew kobe would be this good coming out of hs
by killacaravagio on May 31, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
2. Favors vs Turner dramatically alters the approach to rebuilding.
-IMO drafting Turner means you hope he will be your franchise player, and you immediately go up from there. He should be a top NBA player from the get go, and you get amazing value for his talent all through his rookie contract. You become a low level playoff team next year, and then use expiring contracts/young assets as trade chips to add the right supporting cast, and hope to contend in 3 years.
-Favors would mean waiting 2-3 years to really tap into the Jrue/Favors combo. And I doubt that combo leads you past 50 wins, so you would still need your franchise star. IMO that leads you to trade Iguodala/Sam this summer for future picks. Ten you bottom out for 2-3 seasons and get a bunch of top 7 picks, hoping to upgrade your talent and strike it rich with a superstar. Then maybe use Brand’s expiring to add a vet star to push you into contention in 3-4 years (but are lousy 2010-2012.)
Both approaches are reasonable. The Favors approach is riskier but gives you more chances to succeed (more lottery picks.) While the Turner approach puts all your eggs in one basket (Turner being a superstar) but would be fun to watch from day one.
IMO I’d prefer Turner- but I believe he is a sure thing. Compare the two extended highlight vids in the other post and you’ll see that Turner is just a tier above what roy was in college (although highlight vids only show you so much.)
Think though, if you go Favors your still rebuilding. You should land top 5 again in next years draft and be able to kinda build your roster up much like the Thunder. Can’t relate 100% to Thunder because they got Durant, and theres no one who looks like him on radar.
Yes, like I said, going with Favors gives you a few more chances at the jackpot…
But I think they already hit the jackpot with the #2, and its Turner. So strike now instead of hoping to win the lottery again.
Also, if they keep Sam and Iguodala I see Collins getting them 35+ wins regardless of who they pick. So they realistically would not have more top 5 picks unless you also committed to trading away Iguodala- which I don’t want to do.
I would agree with you tk, just look at what happened in this years draft. One of the most historically pathetic teams in the NBA landed only the 3rd pick in the nets. We’ve been blessed with the 2nd pick, and we should take BPA not 2nd BPA and hope for a another down season and lottery miracle.
lay down the law Nick Smith. I’m pretty sure that’s your name. If not, it should be.
by Michael Levin on May 26, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
derek advises me on what type of underwear to wear each day and every single time he’s right on the money
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by Tanner Steidel on May 26, 2010 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
you even had to ask?
"I'm a beast ready to be unleashed." -- Paul George
by Tanner Steidel on May 27, 2010 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Excellent breakdown
My question regarding the Turner route is if the way it works is if Turner is a franchise player from the get go, what sort of young assets will you acquire in the next few years in order to trade for a Big? I suppose you could luck into a Gasol like deal, but beyond that, it may be difficult. That being said if you truly think Turner is a #1 Option franchise player, then he’s tough to pass up.
You don’t have to find your center next year. You have a really big window with Jrue/Tuner (+/-Thad/Iguodala/Speights.) Next year you have the 20M expiring ssets. The next year there will be a lock-out. After that Brand is an expiring.
Plus, a Turner/Jrue/Iguodala team under Collins wins games. That will immediately increase the trade value and perceived talent of trading chips like Lou, Thad and Speights. right now they are at the low ebb of their value.
Expirings have value, I just think you aren’t representing that properly. It will be great to have expirings at large dollar amounts because they can be traded for a similarly priced veteran under the current CBA. To do that though most deals go down like the following:
Veteran for Expirings + Young Talent
You are most certainly correct that the Sixers will have expirings to make deals like this, it’s the young talent part I question. The young talent is typically in the form of draft picks and players on rookie contracts. Players on rookie contracts that perform at a high level are worth their weight in gold. That’s why the time to trade a guy like Thad is now because next offseason will be tough to get value from a team because they will have to give Thad a raise or match an offer during his restricted free agency year. 1 year of team control plus the right to give said player a raise isn’t a great trade asset. That team can just wait for that player to become a free agent versus spending an asset to acquire such a player.
Do you really feel that Lou, Speights and future mid round draft picks are going to be enough to get a franchise big? It’s possible I suppose, I’m just not as optimistic as you are.
You’re right. I think the only possible way to obtain a franchise big is to hope the sixers trade the #2 pick to Minnesota for your #4 and #16. Then We can draft Favors/Cousins and you can draft Turner.
Did I get that correct?
Negative. Favors athletic measurements are great. He had the best max vertical. I think Jersey takes Favors if you swap picks with the Wolves, so if you think Favors is that Franchise big, you wouldn’t make a deal with the Wolves.
My comment still stands. I think Philly only trades with the Wolves if they value Cousins or Favors equally. If they prefer one over the other vis-a-vis Turner, then there isn’t an incentive to trade with Minnesota. If they don’t like any of these guys and value someone like Johnson the best, apparently Detroit is willing to deal up, I suppose that would be a possibility if you think Johnson drops. Ultimately they have the ability to get anybody in the draft they want besides John Wall. Figure out who that is, and maximize assets while getting that player. Not really rocket science when you sit at #2.
There is no point in trading down unless you can get rid of Brand. If we can do that and still get Favors that would be great. But if trading Brand means settling for Cousins, I’m not sure that I would risk it.
What if Washington decided to pass on Wall and Turner and selects Favors? Like Phila. Washington already has backcourt players and need a big man more.
Regarding your first comment, there are other reasons to trade down besides Brand, unless you think this team is missing just one piece. Getting an extra draft pick or a useful player while shedding a bad contract besides Brand are all good value IF and only IF you still get the player your targeting after trading down. You don’t risk not getting a guy you want IMO.
As far as Washington passing on Wall, you don’t have to trade your pick before the draft, you could arrange a deal with any team and wait to pull the trigger until after Washington selects its pick. Then you select a player for the other team at #2 and they select the player Philly wants with their pick and then consummate the trade after the draft.
I’m not really sure of how far away the team actually is from competing. they took such a big step backwards with Eddie Jordan last season, I’m not really sure what we have!
Regardless, I am convinced that our biggest need is at Center/PF. I regard those positions as somewhat interchangeable. But they must be able to block shots, rebound, score in the post and defend against a big man without fouling incessantly.
I’m big on the idea that you need dominant big men to win in the NBA. All 4 of the teams left have two 7’ or 6’11" guys that they can play simultaneously.
I’m convinced Brand isn’t a starter on any of those 4 teams, and paying him a starter’s salary means you can’t compete. Dropping his contract and getting Favors would be a homerun, because it would dramatically change the Sixers front-court.
After all, how much better are Pierce, Allen and Rondo than Jrue, Andre and Thad? Or for that matter Fisher. Kobe and Artest. I really think they’re pretty close, and they have the edge in youth and potential.
If we have to hold onto Brand and still draft Favors, that can also work to our advantage. Brand was successful playing against other teams 2nds and could be a very valuable 6th man, paired with Favors or Speights. Brand’s value should go up next season, assuming he’s injury free, and we will still have his fat expiring to trade later.
Smart move making everything contingent on things falling your way as the draft unfolds. The most important thing is getting a reliable front court player. We do that and we could be right with Orlando and Boston next season or the year after. And have the opportunity to add a big free agent as the final piece.
Dude you must be smoking some good stuff.
Jrue and Thad are far from finished products. No way should anyone consider them to be in the same league as the other players you mentioned.
Jrue showed promise for the future last season. Nothing more. We all hope he can develop in to the player we think he can become.
Thad is fast becoming an enigma. He poses all the athletic attributes needed for an nba SF, but he is a poor defender and rebounder, lacks anything more than basic ball handling skills and can not create for himself. He is no where near being mentioned in the same sentence as Pierce or Artest, unless it’s as failed potential.
Drafting Favors will not put us up with Orlando or Boston. Favors is probably two years away from developing an offensive game in the NBA. Right now he is projected to be a decent defensive player in the league becuase of his athleticism and size. Not that he is a good defensive player, he projects to be.
As has been said in numerous places, drafting Favors is a win down the track move. Those who favour this approach believe we should be looking to build through the draft, and that drafting Favors will mean another year of racking up the losses and getting a high draft pick next year. It also likely means trying to move Iguodala as the team looks to build around Favors and Holiday.
Thad is a very young player, would still be in college at his age. He took a step back last season, when he was forced to play PF. I don’t understand why people continually overlook this fact when talking about Thad’s defense. He’s playing out of position, and on offense he doesn’t get the ball passed to him.
Watch what happens when Collins restructures the offense, and then tell me what you think about Thad.
Jrue has the size and the attitude to play the game. He’s a point guard and he’s a baller.
The opinion seems to be that Turner will make the Sixers better faster because he’s more ready, but since he duplicates positons that we already have covered, it actually sets the Sixers back and forces a trade of Iguodala or Young.
Favors will get the Sixers to the finals faster than Turner will. The Sixers need inside presence more than anything else. The hardest piece to building a championship team is the Center. Boston and LA traded for theirs. I say we draft this one and then worry about whether Iguodala or Young or Speights can’t cut it.
If Favors is the piece than within 2 years we’ll know exactly what we need to do to get better, and we will have the players to trade to get what we need.
Chad Ford's Twitter
Derrick Favors had the highest maximum vertical jump height at 12’ 1.5" That’s impressive, though Shaq, D. Howard, T. Thomas got higher
Turner moved faster with the ball, but Roy was making shots and passes that are more like the kind of shots and passes Turner would have to make in the NBA to be an all star (can’t tell from the videos what the frequency of those are – we don’t want to be evaluating the people who put the videos together instead of the players).
Buying a pick
Depending on whoever the sixers pick at 2, what pick would you like to see them trade for/buy, and who do you guys want to see them draft? If it is Turner, I am hoping for Aldrich, Whiteside, or even Varnado later. With Favors, I want Paul George, James Anderson, or any other 2 that can score. Ideas?
It's rumored
That Minnesota is willing to sell #23 and that Memphis may be willing to sell #25 or #28. Not sure who would be available, but Whiteside is a guy that is slipping after interviews who could be available at one of these spots. Ford has him going at 24 in this mock. I doubt Aldrich, George or Anderson will be available in the 20’s, but who really knows.
Yea maybe in the teens
we could work a deal around lou or thad to get a pick. Maybe Thad & Jason Smith for Ryan Gomes and #16 from Minnesota.
Soloman Alabi, Larry Sanders, Kevin Seraphin, and Gani Lawal are the likely bigmen late in the first. I wouldn’t mind buying a late pick for Seraphin.
In terms of guards, Paul George (wishful thinking), Avery Bradley, Dominique Jones, and Jordan Crawford all interest me.
I don’t really like Crawford for any more than as a scorer off the bench. I would much rather prefer Jones. Better ball handling and better defense. He just doesn’t have the hype of Crawford because he never dunked over LeBron and he doesn’t jump out of the gym.
Very Tough Call
Do you draft a player who may have reached his celing in Turner or do you draft for potential in Favors. Both players fill needs and would be apart of the team’s core moving forward. Does the team want immediate success or are they willing to stay patient and develop a front line player? We need to also look at the business side as well, the team is struggling to get fans into their arena, could a developmental player like Favors bring more people in? Probably not, but Turner would!
In my opinion, I want our new SG to be like a Ray Allen. A true #1 scorer, with deadly outside range. A player that needs to be accounted for every minute he is on the court, by the opposing teams. Turner is a great prospect, but isn’t this type of player I want. Looking at the entire roster, there is a major need for a outside shooter. With all this being said, who can fill this need at SG?
You rarely get a chance to draft this high up and the team must come away with a true superstar. I believe Wall is definitely one, but not sure about either Turner or Favors. With all this being said and Minnesota wanting Turner, make the deal to move back two spots, along with getting additional player or draft picks in the process. You could still land a Wesley Johnson, Cousins or maybe even Favors. If you aren’t 100% sold on either Turner or Favors, move back.
Here’s the problem with that.
Unless they are trading away Iguodala and Sam, they will not be back in the top 8 pick range anytime soon. Getting the #2 pick was a perfect storm. No way Collins, Iguodala, Jrue, Thad, Speights, Sam, Lou and the #1 pick end up worse than 33 wins.
So you better strike gold with a top level star now. Or be willing to dump Iguodala and Sam and take a few years of pain and hope to have Stackhouse → AI luck strike twice.
From Draft Express Twitter
Favors’ camp told me they weren’t getting that vibe at all from Philly RT @Vuchato: How do u feel about Ford putting Favors ahead of Turner?
Ford is a tool used by GM’s to spread both truth and lies. If he is FOS, it’s because somebody else is FOS.
I also agree with Ebomb. But note that another bit currently up on DraftExpress says Wall hasn’t heard anything from Washington about what they are thinking, while most of us believe Washington is accurately telegraphing that they will take Wall. So the fact that Favors hasn’t gotten a vibe doesn’t mean much. The quotes from people in the Sixers org certainly sound like they are leaning Turner.
Favors GTech Mix
Hadn’t seen this one before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWp4BHAspW0
It gives some sense of how congested the lane was most of the time.
Trying to project how he will be when he fills out. Looks like his frame should be able to carry about 25 more pounds. IMO that would make him probably midway between Horford and Howard in terms of size. I guess with better touch on the offensive end and hopefully similar aggression on defense.
Definitely would benefit from playing with Jrue and Iguodala.
If you compare the film from this Spring with his HS film, it looks like he did add weight – 10-20lbs. and possibly lost a bit of quickness in the process. We know from the combine measurements that he added muscle, not fat, but he might want to put the bulking up process on hold unless he is definitely going to play C.
Only problem I have is that I haven’t seen Favors play. So many big men turn out to be busts that you have to be very careful. It is a fact that size is important, but in itself is not enough. Perkins is a big front line player, but you wouldn’t develop your offense around him. We don’t have that guy in the middle unless it’s Speights. If Favors can be a 20 and 10 guy, then we have to get him. But we better be sure he can be that guy.
If it turns out that Favors can score inside…the Sixers could get good very quickly without any other major changes.
That You tube link looks good- he does have inside moves, and at this point he looks a lot smoother than Dwight Howard. I think this guy would be perfect for us, even if we have to keep Brand.
He shows good coordination, good hands, multiple moves in the post, – appears much stronger than many of his opponents, even posted up against bigger ones and scored. Good jumping abilitiy. Liked the finesse move- that showed above average skill for a big man, very important. Noticed that he was very steady when surrounded by multiple defenders, was able to score often and when he saw an open team-mate he passed out of the double team.
Of course it’s easy to look good if you parse out all the other plays, and I’d like to have seen more of his defensive work, but I’d be very comfortable with him as our pick even if he is very young. To me, that’s a bonus, you get a player who can play longer and have more good quality years if you can draft them before they’re 22.
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