The Case Against Doug Collins
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 6:09 PM PDT
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PrintAll signs point to the Sixers hiring Doug Collins as their next head coach fairly soon. A source close to the situation claims the two have begun contract negotiations. As excited as I am about the number two pick and the possibility of drafting Evan Turner, I'm equally as disappointed Collins will be the Sixers next head coach.
Make no mistake, the Sixers could do worse than Doug Collins, but they could also do better - much better. Take a look at my coaching big board and my updated wish list when the search was narrowed to seven candidates. Collins ranked 8 (out of 11) and 7 (out of 7) respectively.
After the jump I'll tell you why I'm not Collins' biggest fan.
He hasn't coached in 8 years
The last team Doug Collins coached was the 2002-2003 Washington Wizards, which was eight years ago. Eight years is a long time to be out of coaching. The game has evolved. The players have changed. The rules have changed. I have a hard time believing any coach - regardless of track record - can pick up a clipboard after being out of the league eight years and not need at least a year or two to adjust.
I failed to find a coach in a similar situation as Collins - returning to the NBA after an eight-plus year lay-off. Larry Brown in 1988 was the closest thing, returning after a six-year hiatus. His Spurs went 21-61 that season, winning ten less games than the year before. Crossing over to another sport, Joe Gibbs returned to the NFL after being out of the league for 12 years, and failed to live up to his track record, going 30-34.
Note: Collins will also be 59 in July, and hasn't had a winning season since 1996 (14 years ago).
Great defensive coach?
Gregg Popovich's teams are always great defensively, as are Jeff Van Gundy and Larry Brown's. Phil Jackson, George Karl, and Don Nelson are known as offensive coaches and their teams usually rank in the top 10 offensively. During Collins' eight year career his teams have ranked in the top 10 offensively two times (9th twice), and top 10 defensively three times (9th, 7th and 3rd). Color me unimpressed.
Brian pointed out in the comments a couple weeks ago ...
Detroit was 27th DFR the year before he took over, 7th in his first season there.
Chicago was 3rd in DFR in his second year there, 11th in his last season (then Phil Jackson took over and they dropped to 19th).
How much credit does Collins really deserve?
When the Pistons went from 27th to 7th in defensive efficiency, they went from playing horizontally-challenged Oliver Miller at center to Theo Ratliff. They also saw great improvement from young players Grant Hill, Lindsay Hunter and Allan Houston. Collins deserves credit for developing the young guys - especially defensively - but I remain hesitant to give him too much credit for their turnaround.
As for the Bulls, he was coaching two of the best - if not the best - perimeter defenders of all-time in Jordan and Pippen. He also had Horace Grant and elite rebounder, Charles Oakley on his teams.
Yes, the team did drop from 11th to 19th in defensive efficiency the year Jackson replaced Collins, but it was clearly an aberration (or a product of Jackson's rookie year). During the next eight years under Jackson the Bulls ranked top seven every year, even the one's without Jordan.
Pace
23 (out of 23)
23 (out of 23)
23 (out of 25)
28 (out of 29)
28 (out of 29)
25 (out of 29)
27 (out of 29)
26 (out of 29)
Those are where Collins' teams ranked in terms of pace (Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team.) One thing's for sure with Collins - his teams are going to play slow. Pace isn't indicative of transition baskets, because you can rank near the bottom of the league in pace and still lead the league in fast break points (see: 07-08 Sixers), but with the Sixers speed and athleticism it makes sense for them to "play fast" all the time, and I'm not sure Collins will allow that.
Other answered questions
Will Collins want a say in personal decisions?
If Collins system doesn't fit the Sixers will he be able to adjust his system to fit the roster, rather than forcing his system on the roster (like Eddie Jordan)?
Conclusion
The development of Jrue and the other young guys, along with the number two pick should improve the Sixers record by a handful of games, before factoring in the new coach. Add Collins to the mix, who'll be replacing Eddie Jordan, and there's no reason the Sixers should win less than 37 games next year (10 more than this year).
Collins is known as a disciplinarian and he should provide much-needed leadership and discipline to a young team. He's also known as being a defensive-minded coach, so assuming four of the Sixers five starters next year are Holiday, Turner, Iguodala and Dalembert, there's no reason Collins shouldn't have them playing top 10 defense.
Like I said at the beginning of this post, they Sixers could've done worse, but they could've done much better. Doug Collins will look like Red Auerbach next to Eddie Jordan, but there were better options available. I was looking for a little more upside, which Collins has very little of.
I'll consider Collins a success if the Sixers win 37+ games and finish as a top 10 defensive team. Anything less will be a failure. Oh, and don't let him near any player personal decisions.
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This frustrates me so much. We have a great chance to finally make something of the team (having young talent, the #2 pick, etc.), but without a good coach, it’s all worthless. If Collins is the best we can do, we aren’t trying very hard.
Of the candidates interviewed who were your top 3? After thinking it over I do like Collins better than Avery.
Of those interviewed I guess my top 3 would be:
1) Laimbeer
2) Majerle
3) Williams/Collins
by chillicothe20 on May 19, 2010 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is the best candidates were not interviewed.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Thats fantastic…so was Dan Majerle, doesn’t mean he is one of the best candidates.
I personally don’t think Sam Mitchell is one of the best candidates.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Who do I think were the best candidates or who do I think would have made the best coaches for this team?
I guess I should amend or correct my original statement. I don’t think the guys that would have made the best coaches for this team were all interviewed.
Guys like Thibodea and Budenholzer were both high on my list and I think they would both do a better job Collins would. Collins is a decent coach but that is the problem, he is decent. He isn’t a good offensive or defensive coach. At least the aforementioned guys as far as we know are very good on the defensive end.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Well as far as I’m concerned, Thibodeau is no longer a head coaching candidate for anyone or he’d already have had a job, the sixers talked to him last year and eddie jordan was more impressive, that alone should eliminate people from thinking a guy can coach.
Being a good assistant does not mean you’ll be a good head coach.
Any one have that FULL list of confirmed interviews?
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
And it was mostly a charade and we all know it – collins was the guy – johnson was first unless they fired stefasnki and gave the reins to brown.
I’m fine with that interview list – nice cross section to make it look like you are going to be creative when you really aren’t…these were all token interviews anyway
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
the sixers talked to him last year and eddie jordan was more impressive,
Just because Ed Stefanski picked Jordan over Thibadeau or anyone else for that matter does not mean Jordan was more impressive.
Everyone knew last year that Jordan was going to be hired regardless of who they interviewed and many people seemed to think that Collins was going to be hired regardless of who else was interviewed.
All this tells me is that Eddie Jordan identifies someone early on, does some interviews so he can say that he has and then goes back to the original guy he wanted all along.
You are right, considering how good of a defensive coach Thibadeau is you would expect that he would have a job by now and he doesn’t, that is a valid concern, whose to say he was offered a job and turned it down though? He may have, might not have.
I don’t exactly blame Stefanski for making the safe choice with Collins, but that does not mean he was the best guy for the job. After all, Stefanski told us last year that EJ was the best man for the job too.
Go Go Gadget Gagne
What if Broad Street Didn't Fight Back? History HAS been made. 5-7-10
5-8-10...the day the Purdue Boilermakers basketball team won the 2011 NCAA Championship!!
Two years of being the ‘hot assistant’ with multiple interviews with multiple teams and no jobs for Thibodeau should tell someone who wants to hear it something about his viability as a head coaching candidate
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
You are underrating Collins a bit. He has been noted as a teacher, a taskmaster with a strong defensive mind. I have no doubt that he is a solid coach that will get the team going in the right track. Is he a “great coach?” No, but he is very capable in the areas of need.
Also, I don’t think they should “play fast” at all. They need to push the ball, sure, but if the cheap gimme isn’t there, they don’t need to force anything up for the sake of pace.
On the flip side, with their defensive potential, they should forcing the opponent to sweat for every little thing they get. They can aggressively run off stops and selective makes, which should be more than enough
I said he’s a ton better than EJ. I’m just more interested in a fresh coach with upside than a “solid” coach who hasn’t coached in 8 years and hasn’t won in 14 years.
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 7:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can understand that. Though, you understand that a fresh approach would’ve required dumping Eddie S 1st. Somehow, I get the feeling that Stefanski was a little coerced into interviewing, but they likely clicked. Say what you want about Collins, but he can analyze the game & players as well as anybody, which is the precise skill needed in that setting. From there, he became the frontrunner
by MojoPharoah on May 19, 2010 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m all for dumping Stefanski.
I’m okay with Collins, if their approach was to hire a proven coach. I like Collins better than Brown and Avery Johnson, I believe, but I would’ve gone with a different approach.
I guess I’m more against the way they approached the whole coaching search in general rather than Doug Collins. He’s fine, as long as him and Stefanski don’t hinder the development of the team, or the future.
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes more sense. The approach was flawed, yes, but they ended up with a solid coach nonetheless. If the worse complaint is that he is likely to burn out in 3 years, well, that is 3 years of improvement.
I am not as worried about him hindering development as many seem to be. He played young players when he was with the Bulls & Pistons. It was only with the Wiz(where he was the coach of his boss) where the tilt toward Vets took place.
That said, he’s a bonafide teacher who will play youth, hold them accountable and tell them precisely what they did wrong and how to correct it. Plus he’s a solid in-game strategist. I’m good with it.
You failed to mention Dick Vermeil in your coaches returning from a hiatus section. Brown also won 56 games in his second season w/ the Spurs after his hiatus.
The time away from coaching doesn’t really bother me, neither does pace. I’d actually prefer a slower pace in the half court, they don’t have the firepower to be running a quick shot half-court offense, they need to be methodical. On the defensive end, they need to make teams grind out possessions and settle for their third or fourth options. Like you said, the Sixers transition points don’t really increase the overall pace of the game.
They could’ve done better, I think, but they could’ve done much worse. Collins is a good coach, he’s going to have the respect of the young players and he’s going to get them pointed in the right direction very quickly.
Send GT Green packing.
Yeah
I’m not so sure they should be playing fast all the time because it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll be getting good shots — what’s even a good shot for this team. It seems like one that may benefit more from grinding it out in the half court if the transition bucket isn’t there.
Collins on TNT tonight made it clear that a defensive stop should lead to fast breaks. We need to teach this young team to play NBA ball and not like a playground.
I am getting very tired of reading critics saying the same mantra over and over.
We need to realize that there was NO WAY the 76ers were going to not going to hire a retread. Given that, I personally believe Collins is the best choice of retreads. I agree I would had rather tried one of the top assistants but from the beginning I read it was not going to happen.
Collins on TNT tonight made it clear that a defensive stop should lead to fast break
Unless of course – no one is open or in position to run the fast break
by jemagee on May 19, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Vermeil win because vermeil is good or because he was a genius and hired mike martz and no one was ready for that offense?
by jemagee on May 19, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is winning because you’re good better than winning because you’re a genius? :)
Send GT Green packing.
by depressedfan on May 19, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a lot of dumb luck involved as well – bulger doesn’t get hurt – warner probably doesn’t play – and was vermeil a genius or did he get lucky with martz :)
by jemagee on May 19, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I assume
You mean Trent Green not Bulger.
Yeah him – that was like 10 years ago – and i hate the rams – all i know is i wont fantasy football that year cause i picked up like half the rams offense (and defense) in the 2nd or 3rd week
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they shouldn’t rush their half court offense. I was thinking more along the lines of pushing the ball after every make or miss, which would get them into their offense quicker, which would result in more possessions.
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 7:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yes – he’s better than eddie jordan
re-hiring mo cheeks would be better than jordan
the only coach WORSE than jordan since brown is ayers – who was a jordan assistant (think about that)
The other option was Avery Johnson folks
by jemagee on May 19, 2010 7:22 PM PDT reply actions
And I came to the conclusion that Collins > Johnson.
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 7:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My personal preference was Sam Mitchell
He fits the ‘experience’ mantra but I liked what he had to say about the roster…
by jemagee on May 19, 2010 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too, but it was basically common sense. Hopefully Collins executes what Mitchell said.
by Jordan Sams on May 19, 2010 7:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think his being away from coaching for eight years will have a big affect on his performance. Maybe if he suffered a major concussion and lived in a cave for those eight years, but during this time-off he has had the opportunity to analyze the game and personally see the changes.
I think the sixers are better off playing at a slow pace. Some fast pace teams – ie Warriors, Suns. lack defensive discipline and the sixers don’t have enough pure shooters to counter bad defense.
I would like PJ as a coach. I don’t he’s being considered though.
by chillicothe20 on May 19, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. Trying to come up with other examples of similar career paths…Don Chaney, Bob Hill…not sure what this list tells me though.
Fun project anyway. Someone else can decide how encouraging/discouraging it is.
considering the way the C's are playing defense Im amazed Thibodeau isnt getting much play for jobs available
Collins has some reputation as a good coach, but Im not sold I think that reputation comes from his work as a tv analyst where you can look wise and all knowing because your always second guessing events that played out………….
Can we call for a moratorium on Thibodeau mentions that ignore the past two off seasons and the fact that he’s been universally unimpressive to many teams (including the sixers who interviewed him last year – so probably already know they don’t want him)
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Because he has no head coaching experience he isn’t an established name
Collins is a bad hire – but ignoring the way the SIXERS were thinking about this hire (which should be obvious) and getting angry about it doesn’t make sense
Bad hire – sure – but totally the one the sixers makee based on what they feel they ‘need’ from a head coach
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
He did have head coaching experience, just not the pedigree that I guess the Sixers want. (he was a victim of McHale’s ego, and then he took it to ’em when he coached the Mavs in a pinch).
But honestly…retreads vs. assistants. How often do teams really go against the norm (retread) and put all of its faith in an assistant…particularly one that is not their own?
Lawrence Frank got a raw deal in New Jersey
Doc Rivers was a good coach in Orlando
Gregg Poppovich is still working on his first job
Casey isn’t a big name ‘successful’ (true or not) head coach – casey is seen as a failure purely because of the W-L record in Minnesota
The sixers felt they need a big name ‘winner’ as their head coach cause – well – they’re stupid
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I think in the past year or two, there have been what..one or two top assistants hired? Rambis comes to mind immediately.
Del Negro
Alvin Gentry not exactly a huge name that got the phoenix job
Spolestra in miami
um…i don’t know all the coaches in the league
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
But then you have…
Saunders
D’Antoni
Jordan
Carlisle
Adelman
Skiles
etc., etc.
Not all are bad, obviously, but I think that if you do an honest study of coaching movements in the past decade, it comes down decidedly on the retread.
Trust me, I’m on your side, i’ve been beating this drum for a very long time now (like since brown left)
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, because this is probably stefanskis last chance – if the sixers suck next year – and attendance sucks – then he’s fired
Stefanskis motivation (in my mind) is saving his job first – building a contender second
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
No doubt. I was speaking more generally for the league’s sakes. I think basketball is one of the last remaining coaching despotisms in sports. Managers in baseball (IMO) have been marginalized, football coaches have 85 assistants, and I’m tort with hockey (especially since Lavy took over; however, the amount of mutinies in the NHL is shocking). There was always this type of gilded presence of an NBA coach. And now, I just think it’s a load of BS.
I’m willing to bet Hockey head coaches have the same power….it’s just a fact of the paces of the games and how tere isn’t a lot of stopping and all 5 interacting at once
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Well with hockey, I think what hurts is the fact that the players are very, very powerful. Barber, Hitch, and Stevens all got a taste of that. If they stop listening—which they do quite often—you’re screwed. That’s what really complicates it IMHO.
That can happen in basketball just as easily – and since it’s ‘harder’ to make subsitutions – no fly rule – players can just run what they want – ignore the rcoaches time out requests – etc…you’re implication that the players can’t be popweful if they want to or lack respect to the coach is flawed in my opinion
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Wasn’t an implication at all, I think you’re just extending what I said (IMO). I just think that the NHL locker room is such that there’s a battle of tyrants usually.
You’re talking more game day coaching, I’m talking more long term system and whatnot. It doesn’t help that Flyers and Sixers are probably the two worst examples of this.
I think players in the NBA could get a coach fired if they cared
As whole the nba players are seen as more apathetic about most of the things like unioins and such
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Potentially. It just seems to happen more, at least within the last decade, in the NHL, particularly the NHL. Who was the last Flyers (fired) coach who wasn’t turned on? Nielson? By default, almost?
I may just not know enough about inner lockerroom NBA dynamics, or at least not on the level that I do with the NHL. That’s an obvious preface to all this. But having seen how low the bar is for the NHL, I think I’d need to see more before I really wage in on the NBA’s side.
That being said, Jordan was run over (for better or for worse). Collins won’t be, so hopefully that’s a blessing.
I pay zero attention to hockey so i have no idea
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
agree totally
I think the big mistake that could happen here is after landing the number two pick and getting a chance to do something to get out of this cycle of mediocrity Stefanski is focussed on making moves that will save his behind…..
basically put everything on Eddie Jordans shoulders, and hiring a new coach will fix the teams problems?
Personally If he wants someone with some coaching experience, Casey makes alot of sense, did a pretty good job in ’Sota before he got pushed in front of the train by his GM
I just dont buy Collins as the coach he portrays himself to be, the coach people think he is and Id be surprised if his attention span can handle more than 2 seasons before he flips out or is fired
It seems clear that they wanted a guy who could have with the young roster, teach them and grow them … I’m not in love with this but I don’t hate it either.
They call me The Professor.
That seems to be the general consensus. Although I would still rather have all those things and a coach who grew with the team as well.
by Michael Levin on May 20, 2010 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems clear that they wanted a guy who could have with the young roster, teach them and grow them
And where is the proof that Doug Collins has done this in the past 10 years or so?
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Well obviously that’s nobody, particularly when you look at….Kwame Brown.
However, you do have Jordan, Pippen, Hill, etc. The problem is—none of those teams did squat.
If you look at won loss record – sure – but that’s a pretty stupid way to determine if a guy developed players….
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Well that’s the inherent difficulty in any analysis concerning player development. What’s the proper gauge, and is it the coach, the player, the mixture, etc.?
Honestly, I don’t buy the argument that “Because Player X was under Coach Y, Coach Y gets credit for Player X” is the only means of measurement for this. It undermines the talent, abilities, and IMHO, willpower of great players. But that’s more opinion than not…
There are things you can look at and infer though…did the coach force the player into a system that didn’t fit their skills or mold their ‘system’ to fit all the players on the roster…did the player show improvement during seasons in things like defensive ability or posting up…even telling a guy WHAT to work on can go to a coach.
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
For me personally, inferences are never good enough to decide major things. Maybe I just need more concrete proof. I do believe that the system helps, and we got the complete negative example of that last year. And improvement via stats can be measured, but as to why, I just think that that is a dangerous area of speculation.
But obviously, if Collins is as good a teacher as they say he is, we should be able to measure team improvement by making it to 37+ wins.
As fans we will NEVER have enough information to judge who is and isn’t a good head coach or who makes a good head coaching candidate – so if you’re worried about being right and wrong about who is a good or bad coach based on various factors – don’t worry about it – you most likely are – we all are – we don’t have the access
The important part is to realize how uninformed you are and not get all pissy about it – too many folk think they know better – and even the dumbest GM has 50-100 times more information than the average fan to work with when evaluating coaches (and draft picks and free agents)
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe he helped mold them?
like parcells helped mold romo, witten, barber, austin, bailed, then they flourished under wade.
Plus you’re showing you’re a deluded cowboys fan :)
by jemagee on May 20, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
DONT HIRE COLLINS!!!….HE PLAYS A SLOW DOWN OFFENSE, WHICH AFTER LAST SEASON, WE SEE DOES NOT PLAY TO THIS TEAMS STRENGHTS WHAT SO EVER. THE BEST CHOICE FOR COACH IS WITHOUT A DOUBT, AVERY JOHNSON. HE COACHES AN UPTEMPO GAME,IS WILLING TO PLAY A HALF COURT GAME, WHICH HE SHOWED IN DALLAS, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, HE HAS WON 123 MORE GAMES THAN HE HAS LOST, HAS BEEN A WINNER AS A PLAYER, TURNED A NON DEFENSIVE PLAYING MAVERICKS TEAM INTO A PRETTY GOOD D-HAVING TEAM…(HE GOT DIRK TO PLAY GOOD DEFENSE FOR PETE’S SAKE..)TOOK THEM TO THE FINALS, AND HAD TO EARN EVERY THING HE GOT THROUGH HARD WORK…SO WHAT HE’S A TASK MASTER…THATS WHAT THIS YOUNG TEAM NEEDS….I DONT WANT A COACH THAT IGGY FEELS GOOD TO ENDORSE. HE’S THE MAIN ONE WHO NEEDS A COACH LIKE JOHNSON ON HIS BACKSIDE 24/7…..WHAT HAS COLLINS DONE ON A CHAMPIONSHIP LEVEL?
When will people realize that typing in all caps is not only annoying but infinitely more difficult to read?
That requires brain power (and believe it or not there’s actual scientific research proving it :) )
by jemagee on May 21, 2010 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW
Collins apparently just agreed to terms. He’s the new Sixers coach.
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/76ers_agree_to_terms_with_Collins.html
response to jemagee
for all of you who had a comment about the all caps i used….it only happened due to the fact that i was so irrate over the whole doug collins thing, that i didnt realize i was typing in all caps….after hearing some of the proposed trades you would acccept or attempt, it makes me wonder about your brain power….and your personal preference was sam mitchell!?!….rightttttt…..but unfortunately, collins is the coach,so now we are stuck with another coach who has a style that does not fit what this team is best at doing….running the floor. All we can do is hope for the best.
Sam Mitchell was the lesser of the evils in the 2nd interview group. He showed that he actually had knowledge of the Sixers roster and how to properly utilize it in public interviews. The people of this blog were actually backing assistant coaches (especially Mike Budenholzer) and not any of the major retread candidates.
As for Avery Johnson, he took a team that had 58 wins when he took over and turned it into a 51-win team in his last season. The Mavs’ defense ranked 9th the season he took over and 9th in his last season. It was also 9th two seasons before he took over. His record with a veteran club should have very little weight in whether the Sixers hired him or not. He is overrated as a coaching candidate.
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